The Supreme Master of Music and Poetry, Redeemer of Modernity, Richard "W" Wagner editionhttps://youtu.be/PEn5RJdj208This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127857382
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Andante Spianato et Grande Polonaise Brilliante in E flat major Op.22
>>127888054Blessed edish by the way. Time for some more Lohengrin. Solti or Karajan?
>>127888169So absorbed was I in Lohengrin that I nearly forgot Wagner had written anything else.
>>127888243Tru. Maybe I should listen to Meistersinger, it has my favorite overture after all, and I've never listened to the opera. I'll listen to the OP.W.
what's /classical/'s consensus on the classical section of this chart?
>>127888317Meistersinger is Wagner's best opera.
>>127888487How about Parsifal, Der Ring or Tristan? I've only listened to Tristan out of these 3, but his late works gotta be his best, no?
>>127888522Of course, all of his late works are best, but Meistersinger is the best among them. Take my word for it.
>>127888382O_O
Bach and before, nothing after
Beethoven and after, nothing before
FPTMIU
Byrd and Before, nothing after.
>>127888382garbage chart doesn't even have Byrd in the Renaissance section, also there is no Folk section but a huge section for a bunch of shitty negroid music
is claire de lune hard to learn ?ive been playing piano for a year or so off and on and would be probably considered 'good' by non-players standards.i'm looking to increase my proficeincy a little.
how do i play the piano with no hands? i lost them
>>127888597stop posting that
>>127889688Not a pianist, but if you've been playing for a year, you probably have the skills to *technically* pull off Clair de Lune. I can play bits of it myself. But musically you'd need much more experience I imagine.
Schubert and only Schubert, nothing before or after
>>127888054https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZqWoHLWTSIreally nice piece imo
>>127889748This.
Debussy is the best composer, you can not deny
>>127889745i understand 'feel' is a large piece of playing music, was just wondering about the technical side.for context my current level of playing is:https://vocaroo.com/1bAMbS2oZOat
piano is easy just press the correct keys bro
>>127889894holy shit, i never thought of that before, thank you so much. i'm playing Appassionata perfectly right now.
>>127889916glad i could help! =]
what is the most beautiful solo piano piece you have ever heard?
>>127889946memories of green by vangelis.not /classical/ but the long and winding road is the best pop/rock piano song.and you anon ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDa5iGiPgGs
>>127889946la campanella probably
>>127889975The Beatles suck, overrated slop, boyband, beach boys rip off
>>127890032(you)paul is a very talented multi-instrumentalist who also happened to be a good songwriter.john i can understand people not liking / thinking hes overrated but even then he had some pretty good songs.
>>127890062no.
no one:absolutely nobody:still nobody:not a single soul:literally no one:not even Mozart (still alive):not even yuja wang:random incel on 4chan: WAGNER IS LE BEST COMPOSER EVAR!!! W.[everyone disliked that]barenboim: wait that's illegalglenn gould: ok that was lowkey on pointscriabincel: slaps roof of car luke did i ever tell you about the time i wrote a piece to bring about the end of the world? it was an epic moment.luke: is retardedCIA: Bane?Wagner's ghost: hey don't google HP Lovecraft's cat name[OP googles hp lovecrafts cat name]CIA: congratulations you got yourself caught!Chopincel: flies past in a spaceship ooooh i dont care what universe you're from that's GOTTA HURT[everyone laughed]Barenboim: you're breathtaking!area 51 guards:i bet i can take BarenboimBarenboim: you sure about thatBarenboim: kills all area 51 guardsarea 51:wait thats illegalEveryone liked thatCIA: am I joke to you?Mahoposter: I am a gay pedophile who likes little girls[everyone disliked that]kraut: I'm gonna post notationsAlt right incels: there's no way classical can be good agai....Alma Deutscher: hold my beerBig chungus joined the chatDrumpf has left the chat/classical/lets: 'Yeah, I'm thinking this is kind of epic based pilled, maybe a bit of a coom moment?? Idk think I might post a link.
>>127890071lets agree to disagree and depart the thread with glee !
>>127889975>and you anon ?Scriabin Etude Op. 8, No. 5Medtner Primavera (Op. 39, No. 3)
>>127890106No.
>>127889632agreed, late english renaissance is a huge omissionit's also missing instrumental medieval musicthere is plenty of folk music though, including european folk music
>>127889946slow movement of the Hammerklavier
mozart piano concerto no. 24
>>127890568my favorite recording is Clara Haskil's
thoughts on Anton Reicha?https://youtu.be/eZk6QQasAq8?
>>127890105O_O
>>127891878i said stop
Kinda weak Book 1 of WTC ends in a long, grand Prelude/Fugue but Book 2, which is actually overall better than the 1st, doesn't.
What do Skryabin friends think of Sofronitskyhttps://youtu.be/Mvc2K_5JWhoThis is pretty nice I think, Fantasie h-moll
>>127888054I bought this album at the thrift store yesterday and it's very good
>>127892098>What do Skryabin friends think of SofronitskyWe all love him. Everyone in this general has a poster of his Scriabin Recital recording.
Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.
>>127892117but Shostakovich and Prokofiev are after Ives.
>>127892098Selectively great, but a lot of his Scriabin exists in very poor recording quality. When it's recorded well it's some of my favorite Scriabin... and sometimes it's still some of my favorite Scriabin even when it's recorded like shit, like his 1958 recital.
>>127892133Which is precisely why while his Scriabin Recital recording is essential, I would never recommend his cycle of the piano sonatas over others.
>>127890105lmao.
>>127886697fuck the requiem, every normie slop video summary about mozart plays the same few seconds claiming it's his magnum opus but it doesn't sound good
>>127892126You can listen to Prokofiev and Shostakovich, it's ambigious/exceptions.
i've listened to 5 different WTC sets today. my mind has become counterpoint
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiai/comments/1nsc2m3/remember_this_is_what_ia_hollows_are_fighting_for/this is what you look like when you glorify ugly art and ugly "emotional" music. when i was a child, they once played some stop motion animation slop on the national television to fill time between the time slots of the main shows. i don't remember how it went, if the father and mother had a fight and the mother was beaten or killed off-screen. then on-screen, with the son watching, the father took the pet dog and sat it in his lap and beat it to death with a lamp. that was it. just ugly slop like this AI shit. not all classical music is good either, i'm sure there are examples that you don't like, but lots of people don't like the music that you like either.
>>127892133>>127892145i agree, It's unfortunate about the sound quality of many of the sonatas, because his performances are probably the best, think Zhukov and Austbo provide the best complete cycles overall. have you listened Sofronitsky's Studio Recordings (pic related) or the 1958 recital?
>>127893124What's your point, schizo-anon?
>>127893130I've heard all of his recordings in general, not just of Scriabin.
>>127893145he uses reddit
It's pronounced "josh kan"
>>127892392>it doesn't sound goodshit, I really thought it sounded great and that I liked it a lot, thank you for correcting me, i had no idea.
>>127893145pretentious art fags fetishize ugly emotions like depression, anger, despair and think that it makes the art more expressive, sophisticated and valid than something that looks/sounds aesthetically pleasing or fun
>>127893214because refusing to admit you have any problems or feelings is masculine or something.
>>127893243check the reddit comments, they hate it. that's the natural reaction to "art" of this type without having to do spaghetti mental gymnastics and having to read about the context of what the composer was trying to do etc.
>>127892392seconded. Mozart's greatest works are the Jupiter symphony and the magic flute.
>>127893295>>127893214So your point is form over all, essentially?
>>127893295what the fuck is "reddit"?
favorite recordings of Vers la flamme?mine is Zhukov: https://youtu.be/h9lHyTVcHMA?si=wxFFxjbp7MUgKKyz
>>127893214>and think that it makes the art more expressive,Dunning kruger effect. You have no idea what 'expressive' mean, midwit.
>>127893214There is a difference between tragedy and sheer ugliness. Refusing to ever deal with tragedy in art because it makes you uncomfortable is unbelievably pathetic and effeminate. Real tragedy has absolutely nothing in common that vulgar ai 'art'.
The best thing about this thread is that no matter how stupid a post is, the reply is even dumber.
The best thing about this thread is that no matter how stupid a reply is, the passive aggressive indirect response to the post above it is even dumber.
The best thing about this thread is that no matter how stupid a reply is, the OP is still Wagner. W.
>>127888054how did Wagner do it?what was his secret?
>>127888382Why on earth would anyone choose the requiem as the one piece for Mozart?
>>127889688https://www.pianolibrary.org/composers/debussy/suite-bergamasque/There's lots of difficulty ratings for piano pieces, for example this website lists Clair de Lune as a 3/5.https://www.henle.de/en/Clair-de-lune/HN-391Henle lists it as a 5/10.Look up the most difficult piece you have played so far on those scales and then judge for yourself whether you can make the jump.
>>127894572Or Etudes by Chopin. It's a strange, tourist chart.
>>127889688https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4gWVY5yL3Y
>>127893985there's lots of music that should be considered vulgar. like how you can have a visceral reaction of disgust to hearing pop or hiphop that was made on a computer, there are classical pieces that pretty much just suck and don't appeal to people with a high musical IQ. if a no-name contemporary composer made music of similar quality, they likely wouldn't become successful because of it, but because it's [famous historical composer] you bend over backward to simp for them. you could name almost any work within the classical genre and someone ITT would say they like it, which is statistically like winning the lottery that all classical music would be actually good without coping with pretentious mental gymnastics.
>>127894978the etudes are literally his best works though.
>>127895305>people with a high musical IQ...Prefer sad, minor key music. Funny how it works innit LOLhttps://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-29171-002
>>127895369Yeah, in the same way Requiem is Mozart's best work. kek
>>127895394not at all. the etudes and preludes are chopin's best works. for mozart it's figaro.
>>127895409Yes actually. The etudes and preludes are the best Chopin's work in the same way as Mozart's Requiem, pretty much. They reveal one's lack of taste and exposure to the composer's music. And appeal to pretty tunes instead of larger narrative forms.
>>127895421>larger narrative formschopin was terrible with that.
>>127895305>you could name almost any work within the classical genre and someone ITT would say they like itBecause the greatest works are what people are most familiar with, and because classical music, like all high art, is inherently elitist in nature and requires standards of quality to define itself. Classical music is not composed in the same free, open-ended, anything-goes way that pop trash is composed. It was the product of a united artistic culture with established forms and structures.
>>127895432Evidently not, musically illiterate sister.
>>127895464some composers are natural born miniaturists, chopin was one of them. this is common knowledge btw, not sure why it confuses you .
>>127895494That's simply untrue. Chopin demonstrated his unparalleled mastery (except by late Beethoven, Liszt and Schubert, who are the only equals in formal mastery) in single-movement composition. And multi movement cyclical forms with last two sonatas.
>>127895394me when I'm retarded
>>127895524so always?
>>127893302What about his clarinet concerto
Anything like the first ~4 minutes of picrel? Shit gets me dancing like a madman, reminds me of Sorcerer's Apprentice
>>127895878Any Bruckner scherzo
>>127895878Never liked this movement. It's so "cheerful" and "happy" it makes me feel nauseous. It's why I rate 9th below 7, 5 and 3. And even 8.
Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrKJmegHlu4
>>127895928>It's so "cheerful" and "happy" it makes me feel nauseousI don't see it that way, to me the main tune has got a malicious and foreboding edge, which I love. This may be due to A Clockwork Orange, though I haven't seen the film in years
>>127896037The introduction and fugue is cool, what comes after is very good. When the woodwinds come in (~ 1min mark), I begin to cringe.
>>127888054Went to a performance of Ein Heldenleben (A Hero's Life) by Richard Strauss yesterday. I really enjoyed it - especially solo violin parts. So, what's the best recording?
>>127895928Embarrassing
Late Baroque music has become my favorite period/style of classical music. What do I do?
>>127895928I rate the 9th below 7, 5 and 3 and even 8 (and also 6) because of the last movement.
>>127896532Oh come on. First and last movement are the only redeeming qualities of the 9th.
>>127892098The GOAT.>>127892107>>127892133Based.
Bruckner 9 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP6XqYpr9j8&list=OLAK5uy_npd-QQLu5mjzwUVtZzbexShWAzBgeGUbk&index=1
>Sonata No. 10 G major op. 14/2 (?1799)>For all its brevity, this one is charmingly captivating. The opening Allegro ripples like a fluid stream caressing rocks rounded by centuries of erosion. The Andante plods along with an almost pompous assuredness, swaying its head from side to side as it prowls the streets for attention. The closing Scherzo is deceptively constructed, cloaking itself in the mood of a sporadic chase, a cat in search of the elusive thematic mouse until…not a pounce but a strange remorse over the killing of one’s object of entertainment.kek who writes this stuff>Sonata No. 11 B flat major op. 22 (1800)>This might very well be Beethoven’s “breakout” sonata, as it marks his return to the four-movement structure he made his own. With a sort of fractured bravado, it circles an axis of motifs like a bird whose confidence gives its victims that much more false security before diving in for a meal. The Adagio practically floats on its own ineffable air, wafted ever higher with each beautifully articulated trill. A compellingly woven Minuetto prepares us for a masterful Rondo as bidirectional runs travel into two succinct and conclusive chords.oh come onhttps://ecmreviews.com/2019/03/16/andras-schiff-beethoven-the-piano-sonatas-ecm-new-series-2000
Post niggas only you know about
>>127896540Eh, I just don't like the idea of choral symphonies I think, or the Ode to Joy tune. It's all very awkward. It's like Fidelio. Another case where Beethoven was reaching for something new (something that Weber and especially Wagner achieved later on), but the end result is clumsy and incohesive.
>>127896540Speak for yourself, I love the silky strings and gliding melodies of the middle movements.
now playingstart of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 15www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQsRC76kXZs&list=OLAK5uy_m-yc2Ntk1icIjKg9LoMBVsL6AI398bnxg&index=1start of Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 83https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SevnWmKAHYQ&list=OLAK5uy_m-yc2Ntk1icIjKg9LoMBVsL6AI398bnxg&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-yc2Ntk1icIjKg9LoMBVsL6AI398bnxg
>>127896517karajan digital
>>127896520listen to hasse and graun
>>127896769it's always Karajan isn't it
>>127896532based>>127896540lmao
>>127896795he was terrific in strauss tone poems. reiner and kempe are also very good.
>>127896517Very cool, I love that work.>So, what's the best recording?Of course, one should always begin with the two gods of Strauss performance: Kempe and Karajan. The former for heartwarming lyricism and the latter for cosmic majesty.Those two aside, for a more modern recording, I'd suggest Previn/Vienna or Jansons/Bavarian.Kempehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-x_4nYO2ScKarajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynzmmfeIsOwLots of great recordings of it though. Blomstedt, Honeck, Sinopoli, Solti. Can't go wrong with any by a great conductor.
ooo Barbirolli has a recording of Strauss' Ein Heldenleben with the LSO. add that to my 'to-listen' list for todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcBcmOeVoFQ
>>127896845for both heldenleben and metamorphosen you want the later digital recordings. powerful as fuck.https://youtu.be/xQeM1D99VHk?si=e0vLAuse0qFkGxJM
speaking of Strauss, now playingstart of R. Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DykdGPYnhZQ&list=OLAK5uy_n2s2at-SLykBCHbMWj-T81mwy-qXdG7ZA&index=2start of R. Strauss: Also sprach Zarathustra, Op. 30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1R9YCnIdz0&list=OLAK5uy_n2s2at-SLykBCHbMWj-T81mwy-qXdG7ZA&index=8R. Strauss: Don Juan, Op. 20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClt5kOkbQE&list=OLAK5uy_n2s2at-SLykBCHbMWj-T81mwy-qXdG7ZA&index=17R. Strauss: Till Eulenspiegels lustige Streiche, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u7MSAq6kfc&list=OLAK5uy_n2s2at-SLykBCHbMWj-T81mwy-qXdG7ZA&index=18start of R. Strauss: Eine Alpensinfonie, Op. 64https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLAck30Wxzc&list=OLAK5uy_n2s2at-SLykBCHbMWj-T81mwy-qXdG7ZA&index=19https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2s2at-SLykBCHbMWj-T81mwy-qXdG7ZA
>>127896909Ah, noted, thanks.
>>127896789Any recommendations for specific works or recordings?
is there anything more depressing than a pianist who only recorded the first book of Bach's WTC and did a stellar job? why no book 2... such a tease :(
>>127897052
>when its time for the daily reminder
>>127897115Yeah, pianists born in 20th century.
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>>127896520Keep listening, it's the only good music aside from Pre-1945 Modernism as well as Medieval Renaissance
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
Bach. Buxtehude. Franck. Vierne. Jongen. Early/Impovised MessiaenThis is the correct organ ranking
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>>127897451>>127897462What about Wagner?
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
>>127896540>The adagio is perhaps the most tenderly, compassionately human of all the movements that Beethoven wrote during the last ten years of his life, at least until the Cavatina of op. 130; and like that movement it opens with a 'curtain' that is gradually drawn back to allow us to hear a melody so simple yet so consoling that it seems to have been trying to find embodiment in sound, ever since man discovered this almost magical property of music.
>>127897488At his best moments he is platonic, and a God among mortals, but his overindulgence is what traps him in neuroticism. Rossini and Debussy have great quotes about him that I agree with, although I am not as harsh as eitherI'm a Wagner enjoyer, but sometimes his pathos can be overwhelming.
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:FieldChabrierFranckTarregaWagner*Any of the Russian 5GriegAlkanLate Beethoven
>>127897646Bro the russians are terrible you are a shame to the baroque movement!!!!!
>>127897674Filtered
>>127889425Neither Bach and Before, nor Ives and After>>127889831/classical/ will try to deny it as much as they like, but he is objectively the greatest composer who ever lived, especially in the 20th century. The perfect platonic composer who straddled the avant-garde and the French Classical tradition while trivializing neither. He predicted every musical trend of the 20th century and influenced everyone after him, but still nobody sounds like him, which is the strangest part.
>>127897674Tchaikvosky and his ilk are god Awful sure, but the Russian 5 are god-tier, especially Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov, and Borodin. But the rest of the Russians are bad except for Scriabin and Stravinsky
>>127897566What makes a composer Platonic?
>>127897774Everything I like, and everything I don't like is non-platonic.All jokes aside Aarvoll makes a great case about music and its effect on the Spiritual and psychological https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ev07x8R8AObviously I don't agree with him on everything in this rant but a lot of truth is said in this video
>>127897829you do realize i'm hiding all your posts, right?
>>127897829Isn't this the guy that claimed Beethoven ruined music by making it about personal emotions? That's retarded.
>>127897848>hiding postsReddit is down the hall faggotObviously, but truth shall not be silenced even if your ignorance tries to bypass it. Maybe you won't listen to classishit or romantislop anymore with my spamming, but you can't make a pleb drink water.
>>127897887Thats based imma become an aarvolite
>>127897887It's not a coincidence Beethoven's emergence as a composer coincided with events that would lead to the decline of Western Civilization. When you look at the Romantic composers, they all had some intense neuroticism or awful mental disorders compared to their Baroque predecessors, and that can't be good from a listener point of view on repeated listening's.
>>127897945>Beethoven's emergence as a composer coincided with events that would lead to the decline of Western Civilization.Incorrect. Beethoven's emergence coincided with the intellectual peak. The decline began very late in 19th century, and even then, we had a few decades worth of peak music, so-called post-romanticism. Composers born early and mid 19th century (early and mid romanticism) were by far the greatest the world has ever had, along with Ludwig.
>>127894572proto-romanticismwhat would you choose instead?>>127894978the etudes are a fair choiceits not a tourist chart either considering the amount of "obscure" yet important picks chosen for other parts of the classical chart (like french baroque, which is usually very underrated despite being so important)
>>127897829>human cultural advancement was the result of breeding with and gaining the larger brains of neanderthals and iq increasing from playing instrumentsAarvoll is a massive pseud.
>>127898223I would choose literally any Mozart piece that he actually wrote himself.
>>127898223>the etudes are a fair choiceNocturnes or bust
>>127898841The nocturnes are an absolute snoozefest.
>This is a really lovely recording. Schiff is a superb technical pianist who presents Bach cleanly. Some have (including me) have commented on Schiff's somewhat romantic tendencies in other Bach recordings. While I think this is true of his Chopinesque playing of the Goldberg variations, I think this set of recordings is very faithful to Bach.kek I love these stodgy HIPsters, where 'romantic tendencies' is their rough pejorative equivalent of serial killer tendencies
now playingstart of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YmpHr9dUlM&list=OLAK5uy_mNuXqiXzgQ829fKy7bW9vsF7BiPmLYYPM&index=1start of Bartók: Violin Concerto No. 1, Sz. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pOKVB0NQuU&list=OLAK5uy_mNuXqiXzgQ829fKy7bW9vsF7BiPmLYYPM&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mNuXqiXzgQ829fKy7bW9vsF7BiPmLYYPM
>>127898868mfw :^O -> >:^(
watching the NFL on mute while listening to classical :)
>>127899079>watching the NFLCringe
>>127899079this but league esports
>>127899271it's actually a very cerebral sport. chess with athleticism.>>127899296my brother
>>127898045If you like overblown extreme pathos-laden music sure, but is that healthy in the long run?
>>127897769Scraibin composed some ok music early on. Most of his music is trash though.
>>127899729I just like to listen to good music, which happens to be "extreme pathos-laden" whatever the fuck that means. Additionally, I don't want to waste my time on terrible music. It's like asking "is healthy diet that healthy in the long run?"What a stupid post>>127899296>>127899331Cringe
>>127898938No one actually knows what the word "romantic tendencies" even means if they're prescribing it to the human MIDI that is Schiff of all people
A day without Wagner is a wasted day.
>>127900216Tfw people think going a tad slower or using a little bit of rubato is """romantic"""
>>127900216>>127901102If it sounds good to me, it's romantic; if it sounds bad, it's HIP
>>127896650Heinrich Pooshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bARN-QSQw8c&list=OLAK5uy_n8zkVfWhEJXZob-Dw8JYjY8M21EuB6Xdc
Sofronitskybros, what are we to make of this rendition of Mozart's Fantasia in C minor?https://youtu.be/3--ED90VcEc
>>127900029extreme pathos-laden music isn't healthy in the long run though
>>127902784proofs?
now playingstart of Brahms: Piano Sonata No. 3 in F Minor, Op. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTJgk5FpFDg&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=2Brahms: 8 Piano Pieces, Op. 76- 3. Intermezzo in A Flathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrX9T96HRfs&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=7Brahms: 7 Piano Pieces, Op. 116 - 4. Intermezzo in E Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmu-TEyAf-U&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=10Brahms: Intermezzi, Op. 117 - 2. Intermezzo in B Flat Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jD5qAQkUIA&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=10Brahms: 6 Piano Pieces, Op. 118 - 2. Intermezzo in Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itbIxG1fTBY&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=12start of Brahms: 4 Piano Pieces, Op. 119https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL3E67djTfo&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=14https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw>An artist who "clearly stands among the greatest pianists of our time or any other" (The New York Times), Nelson Freire made his recording debut in 1967 with Brahms' Sonata No.3 in F Minor. Half a century later, Freire returns with unrivalled color and imagination to this monumental work and other pieces from the Romantic composer in his new Decca album, Brahms, including a selection of the celebrated late intermezzi, Op.116 - Op.119.Kinda weak it's only a selection of Brahms' late piano pieces and not the entirety of ops. 76, 116, 117, and 118, but whatever, we take what we can get, and there's plenty of those out there anyway. Gotta love Nelson Freire!
>>127901683It's a great performance. Slightly better quality here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtcUqrBvERg&list=RDwtcUqrBvERg&start_radio=1
ah chopin
>>127904067Everyone talks about Chopin. But how about Chopout?
Both Leonard Bernstein and Enoch Powell created documentaries about Wagner that I've never been able to find. Locked up in archives somewhere.
>>127904181Really? Bernstein did? I had never heard about that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CantBelieveThatsReal/comments/1nssuwc/sugar_rushes_arent_real_theyre_just_a/i knew sugar rushes are a scam but you're the type of people who would believe in them like how you believe that music is mainly about emotions. take for example a video game. it's like an hours long series of chores with some cutscenes in between to advance a storyline. very few of the cutscenes are deeply emotional. you're not playing the video game to cry literal tears, you're just catching a break from reality but roleplaying living life as far as what is normal in a fictional setting. you're traveling, gathering resources, killing enemies. you don't make emotions a central part of your life unless you have some type of personality disorder.
>>127904197Yeah, it was in the late 80s, unfinished, but clips from it have been shown. Used to be more information about it on the internet.
>Bernstein’s 1981 recording of Wagner’s Tristan und Isolde is still considered an outstanding interpretation and has set the bar until this day. When he heard this performance Karl Böhm said, “Bernstein has conducted Tristan und Isolde the way that Wagner intended it to be conductedböhm fucking died in 1981, i'm saying it's bullshit.
>>127904404???He probably died shortly after he heard it, dumbass.
>>127904404>Bernstein has conducted Tristan und Isolde the way that Wagner intended it to be conductedYes, but did Bohm think the same thing about his own performance and many others? It might not be as big praise as it sounds.
>>127904523>When Karl Böhm commented that Bernstein dared to conduct Tristan as Wagner wrote it he wasn’t being altogether facetious, nor uncomplimentary – though Böhm rarely took his own adviceaccording to opera today
>I've read an anecdote that Boehm visited Bernstein during sessions for the latter's sloooooww recording of Tristan, and saying, "Yes, that's the right way to do it - I'm sorry I didn't have the courage to do mine that waylol. it gets better and better. i wonder if bernstein was the source of all this. it would not be beyond him.
>>127897395But Charles Ives was born in 1874. Bach and before, Ives and after means only music from 1750 to 1874 is disqualified!
>>127904536>>127904555Seems very bizarre for Bohm to prefer a slow performance, especially since it's well known that Wagner WANTED his performances faster like Bohm.
Telemann is underrated.
>>127904578if böhm made these comments, he would have made them months before his death, so maybe he was already losing it.
/hm/ composers?
>>127888578Ridiculous. Parsifal and Tristan are the greatest of all modern art works. Then the Ring, but I think you can take Meistersingers ahead of any particular one if you would like
>>127888522>but his late works gotta be his best, no?Parsifal may be his best, the poem in any case, but this is incredibly rare for an artist. For exampleShakespeare retired decades earlier
>>127905036>>127905041I listened to the first act, and it had too much male singing. I'm not liking it so far, but will continue. I liked Lohengrin from the very beginning.
>>127904404Bernstein's recording of Tristan takes like 5 hours who the fuck wants that
god I hate this album cover, but w/ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLTqRklCfU&list=OLAK5uy_ldu-JIamMSasgMXQMaUPWZrqtWqGl0ulw&index=1>Multi-award-winning pianist Vikingur Olafsson turns his attention to the music of MOZART. Juxtaposing works by Mozart, Haydn and C.P.E. Bach with rarely-recorded Galuppi and Cimarosa, Mozart & Contemporaries dispels the image of Mozart as the angelic and prodigious idiot savant, instead presenting a mature composer through music primarily dating from the 1780s. All is artfully brought together by Olafsson's signature thought-provoking programming.
>>127905099not me.
>>127905041Shakespeare retired two years before his death. Before then, he was still writing plays every year, and some of his greatest works, Coriolanus, Winter's Tale, Tempest, etc., are from this late period.
>>127905099Sounds awesome
>>127905086Parsifal is structured in an odd way. Most of the first act is rather static and boring exposition, then you have the great temple scene. Act 2 is completely different, much more exciting and plot-driving, the music is devilish and sensual. Then most of act 3 is static again which comes as a massive let down after the second act, but musically Wagner is at his most inspired with the orchestra at full blast throughout so it kind of makes up for it, and then there's another temple scene and that's also great. Everything is interesting in it, the characters, the world, the poetry, but the actual plot is not something that sustains interest very easily.
>>127905173yeah.. if you are STUPID
>>127905382was Jackie-O stupid?
>>127905426>womantake a guess LOL #SexistAndProud #Misogyny #PenisHaver
>>127905426If Bernstein tried any of that gay stuff with me I would have knocked him the fuck out.
>>127905238I meant Meistersinger. Is Parsifal also like that? I prefer female singing dominated operas. Lohengrin had a nice balance
>>127905473You'll like act 2 of Parsifal. Kundry sings throughout most of it, plus there's the Flower Maidens chorus. She sings in a single scene in act 1, and sings about two words in act 3.
finishing off the Barenboim EMI cycle, I imagine his DG one will have far greater consistency, albeit taking a few less risks28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6YZ-mPhioY&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=8629https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVqYFUXuq_0&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=8930https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-HxRJ35vFU&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=9331https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjMQaRAJUdU&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=9632https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPT-wJ5hf0&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=99trigger warning: 13:18(!!!) Hammerklavier first movement, what a madmanAnyone else sometimes view these last five piano sonatas as one long piano cycle? I haven't listened to the 31st or 32nd just on their own in forever, for example
>“Music is an agreeable harmony for the honor of God and the permissible delights of the soul.”― Johann Sebastian Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8BmjTtonKg
>>127904578Bohm did slow did incredibly in his last few years (his final Beethoven 9th being as geriatric as they get)
Which do you anons think sounds better? BWV 869 B minor Fugue from each of Angela Hewitt's WTC sets1997https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOWsU_I_Sx0&list=OLAK5uy_lKhQS1LR5MRfGddW5F3VCa1dLr6PxAjf0&index=482008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKn4za7-NWE&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=48
so many great recordings of Brahms' piano concertos, which to listen to today...
>>127905491>Anyone else sometimes view these last five piano sonatas as one long piano cycle?No. That's nonsense.
>>127906003True, but it's fun. At absolute minimum, I always pair 28+29 and trio 30+31+32.
>>127905491>Anyone else sometimes view these last five piano sonatas as one long piano cycle?Yes. That's self-evident.
>>127906025It's not you who's doing it, it's the record labels; that's how they fill their discs.
>>127906055You mean on 'late piano sonatas' recordings? Yeah, true. I'm talking about even on complete sets in chronological order I always listen to the 28th as like a prelude to 29th Hammerklavier, and the last three as a trio.
>>127906092It's hardly believable that listening to that much music at once is digestable and doesn't give you fatigue
>>127906230Well, doing all five together was a bit of an exaggeration. But the pair then trio, nothing strenuously exhausting about that.
Opera would be the greatest of all art forms were it not for the female voice.
>>127906230this. if i listen to late beethoven it's always just a single work.
>>127888054Mahler is better. But honestly Beethoven kicks both.
fuck wagner
>>127906305based and beethovenpilled
Anyone have late beethoven string quartet opinions? Best recordings in my book belong to Brentano and Cleveland Quartet with Preucil.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuznPANe780&list=RDTuznPANe780&start_radio=1
>>127906400I do like the Cleveland Quartet cycle. I also love Alban Berg Quartet and Alexander String Quartet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnGR_5tsXbE&list=OLAK5uy_nVxelunE08-1WOa_vqqCfr-9YMqmtQ8jI&index=1Sometimes I like to get modern and listen to the analytical style of the Artemis Quartet, but not often. Oh, and another recent cycle I like is the one by the Dover Quartet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNlnV1yTkS4&list=OLAK5uy_mKFRg3EsBnWhsKwSFp_d_CjKgZtSTGmVI&index=71Haven't heard of that Brentano one before, I'll give it a try, thanks.
>>127906422Oh shit Alban Berg is great too, I forgot them. Their 132 recording is stellar. Got to work on 130 with them in Montreal and Pichler tore me up.Dover is pretty great too - Artemis wasn't so much my style but I'll give them another listen.
>>127906400Some people around here have the Takacs cycle as their favorite but while it's solid, it never clicked for me to the same extent.
>>127906265You mean male voice?>>127906304Yep. Even a single late Beethoven work can be mentally exhausting, if you're truly paying attention that is.
>>127906466>Got to work on 130 with them in Montreal and Pichler tore me up.;o ? details>Artemis wasn't so much my style but I'll give them another listen.No need to force it. Them and the Belcea Quartet have a distinctly modernist, analytical style that will strongly appeal to some, but absolutely isn't for everyone, especially if you're like me and generally prefer the traditional romantic approach.
>>127906304>>127906498There's tons of natural groupings in Beethoven's music though. Even just look at the piano sonatas. 1+2+3, 4+5+6, 7+8+9, 10-13, 16-18, etc., and that's just chronological, certain cycles like Biss' and Hewitt's go their own program groupings which work well, allowing the chemistry to form a musical narrative or emphasize a certain emotion or such.
>>127906491Yeah Takacs never clicked for me either, but they're obviously fucking brilliant so I've always chalked that up to a me thing. Not sure what I disliked about Artemis, listening to them now and these guys are great. Danish String Quartet is a newer sound, but their renditions are pretty fun to listen to.
>>127906498No, I mean the female voice.
>>127906530>Yeah Takacs never clicked for me either, but they're obviously fucking brilliant so I've always chalked that up to a me thing.Their Beethoven has this sense of nonstop forward momentum, of ceaseless aggression that takes them down a notch for me. Like you said though, I love them for a lot of other composers and I will always check out their recordings for a piece when available, and it's almost always first-rate.
>>127906503It was for MISQA and for some reason I couldn't get my 8th notes stable. So I sat in front of my quartet, the audience, and Alban Berg for 5 minutes trying to play even 8th notes while Pichler commented on how bad they were. It was very humbling and sucked tremendously. Glad he called me out though.
>>127906580D:Damn. You probably broke out in a nervous if not terrified sweat, huh? Still cool tho in hindsight
>>127906572I like that take on Takacs. The aggression is welcomed in places, like the last movement of 131 (which I'm enjoying right now), but I'd wish for more warmth and tenderness in slow movements. I think Brentano kills it in this department.
It's raining today... you know what that means? SIBELIUShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK9TCumutZQ
>>127906620>but I'd wish for more warmth and tenderness in slow movements.Agreed.
>>127905168I’m talking about age. There’s no artist who accomplished anything like Parsifal in their 60s. Of course he conceived it and had been working on it in his mind much earlier
>>127905168I guess its no quite 2 decades. If you say he peaked with King Lear at 40 then its 2+
>>127906498>if you're truly paying attention that is.If that's a veiled criticism about me, I won't hear it and I won't respond to it.
>>127905238Not knowing German is a huge barrier to appreciating as it should be in full, because for much of the time it’s basically a poetry recitation with instrumental accompaniment. Wagner is great as a poet, so this is by no means a flaw, and it would be impossible and undesirable to sustain musical intensity for 3 hours; its just a barrier for foreign appreciation, so feel free to listen to orchestral excerpts and get a bilingual text as you listen to it. Good way to learn German also
>>127905238When you look at Wagner’s conception of erotics, you may compare Dutchman and Parsifal as opposites, almost as though he gradually became a misogynist over time. On the other hand this movement is almost opposite to the state of his life at the time—in his early years where woman is idealized as the saviour to the man, who was jealously attached in marriage to a middle class practical woman who he came to believe never truly loves him and who didn’t understand any of his work after Rienzi—compared to his later life when he finally treats the problem of the fallen woman or “whore”, he was in a very secure and idyllic marriage with Cosima Wagner, who was more devoted to her husband than perhaps any woman ever (her diaries are incredible; I’ve never met a woman that was anything like her, at least when it comes to her high degree of culture).
>>127906400I have the 127 & 131 disc of Brentano, and their 127 may very well be my favorite, but for 131 I have to go with Busch.ABQ's 132 is pretty much perfect in the Heiliger Dankgesang.For 130 and 135 I listen to Hungarian SQ (stereo). Their cavatina is marvelous, the grosse fuge not so much, but then... I never warmed to that piece anyway.
>>127906804Busch Quartet, I've somehow never heard of them. Interesting group from their wiki article - and this recording of 131 is fucking beautiful. Really wonderful performance, it's immediately up there with my favorites now.
>>127906804I might still take Cleveland on 130 and Brentano on 135 over Hungarian Quartet, but going back to HQ recordings is great. I'll keep them on today, Hungarian Quartet doesn't get as much love today as they deserve.
>>127906916They are for the Beethoven quartets what Artur Schnabel is for the Beethoven sonatas. Early landmark recordings
now playingstart of Chopin: Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlNExrtdB4&list=OLAK5uy_kWtfZ-ERHuv-9Q2yHUoV_e5D4ksFZHkA8&index=2start of Chopin: 24 Preludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNt6Yj4nM2U&list=OLAK5uy_kWtfZ-ERHuv-9Q2yHUoV_e5D4ksFZHkA8&index=20https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kWtfZ-ERHuv-9Q2yHUoV_e5D4ksFZHkA8
>>127906978>He supposedly felt physically ill when playing Brahms, and he considered the Beethoven sonatas boring because of their plastic imperfection. But what delighted him beyond all measure was to play Mozart on an old, out-of-tune Erard grand pianobased frog.
>>127907041Gotta respect their strong opinions on art, even when it's disagreeable. So far it's a nice set. I listened to Angela Hewitt's Nocturnes recording last night to go to sleep which it worked well for, and I felt like listening to the work again but of course, it has to be a performance played in a more 'daytime' mode (which the Hewitt one is certainly not), which this one is so far succeeding at.
>>127906662What about Goethe's Faust? Sophocles' Colonus? Haydn's Creation and Seasons? Or, perhaps to a lesser extent, Verdi's Othello and Falstaff? I'm sure there are many other examples of artists creating their greatest works in old age.
>>127907068>a performance played in a more 'daytime' modei love how you say those things like they actually mean something
>>127907367they do to non-autistics. i immediately know what he means when I read it because I can infer things based on context and shared experiences.
>>127907377recognizing when someone is full of shit is the opposite of being "autistic". you're full of shit.
>>127907367Probably means something to them. I don't see a problem with it, I get what they're going after.
>>127907436>recognizing when someone is full of shit is the opposite of being "autistic"no, not at all
Enjoying Robert Greenberg's lectures. Slightly off topic, but are any of the other Great Courses lectures worth listening to? I found a megapack torrent.
>>127897414>Listening to Bach>not listening to MozartYou should have picked baroque composer as a counterpoint.>Listening to Marais>Not listening to HaydnDon't care much for both desu. > Mahler vs. Ravel> Choosing Mahler A bad choice right there.>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichI'd say Shostakovich much closer to Stravinsky than to Schoenberg but you do you.
imagine not caring for Haydn and feeling the freedom to post here anyway
>>127906698Don't get me wrong, I love Parsifal, but an opera composed like 'poetry recitation with instrumental accompaniment' is inevitably going to be less dramatically gripping than something like Gotterdammerung or Meistersinger where a lot happens.>>127906745>almost as though he gradually became a misogynist over time.I've seen this opinion before, it's surprisingly prevalent, and I really don't understand why. There's nothing chauvinistic in Parsifal, it's not like Wagner thought it invalidated all of his earlier works. His plans for Die Sieger end with a woman being accepted into a monastic order, instead of dying as Kundry does. In both cases the woman is redeemed. I mean, maybe if someone has a problem with the idea of a woman being a 'whore', then it can be called chauvinistic, but that person would be retarded. I do wonder if there is any correspondence between the state of Wagner's romantic life and his subject matter, of it it's just a coincidence. It would certainly be expected that youth is more drawn towards eros and old-age towards agapeAs for Cosima, I completely agree. Nietzsche's description of her in Ecce Homo is accurate. Although it's less surprising when you consider that she was Franz Liszt's daughter, so obviously very smart. Modern people tend to mock Wagner's and Cosima's relationship as the product of a delirious genius-cult, but it was clearly a very sincere romantic relationship.
I like long form movements and I already listened to all of Bruckner. Besides symphonic poems, what could i listen to
>>127908813You're going to listen to opera and you're going to like it.
>>127907367If you were to ask me *why* some sets of Chopin's Nocturnes are better for listening at nighttime, for rest and rumination, and some are better for daytime, for wakefulness and activity, I wouldn't be able to tell you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is so.I mean isn't this how music and art works?
>>127908813I swear someone asked this very question recently, you could try looking through the archives. Anyway, I'll recommend the same thing as I did then: the symphonies of Gliere.
>>127908813Mahler
>>127907151Don't think so. I forgot about Goethe and didn't know about Sophocles but these are exceptions
Mozarthttps://youtu.be/RaNjKm-scuIWhat the fuck is this ass backwards way of track listing? Why would you cut up a movement like this? It's meant to be listened to as one musical whole, why do this?
>>127909148kek what a teaseFortunately there's the big-box Klemperer Mozart set already in existence, so no need for that horrendous one.stereo recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTWFC4F7hFc&list=OLAK5uy_kC_jdEwUF_P8KfkGuSEhg8CpyTcjMc-Pg&index=47monohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4xIknG2M04&list=OLAK5uy_kC_jdEwUF_P8KfkGuSEhg8CpyTcjMc-Pg&index=88
>>127908975>A nocturne is a musical composition that reflects the moods and feelings of night time. Although the name nocturne comes from the French word for “nocturnal,” the origins of the term in music were first used in Italy in the 18th century.>A nocturne (from the Latin nocturnus, meaning “of the night”) is typically a short, expressive piano piece that evokes the mood of the evening or night.lol lmao
>>127909195Yes, anon, but these things exist on a spectrum, on a gradient of emotions and tone. This is where the entire business of interpretation comes from. But yes, I will say I do listen to the Nocturnes 90% of the time in the evening, hence the deliberation for the other 10%.
>>127909073I don't know, I usually expect the greatest artistic geniuses to only get better with age, or at least produce works just as great. I'm sure that if Shakespeare had lived into his sixties he would have come out of retirement and created something totally new and inimitable.
finally discovered a new piano WTC recording, I'm so excited. She also has recordings of the Goldberg Variations, French Suites, and English Suites. No Art of Fugue, sadly. if anyone is interested,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLgoI0dw6Lc&list=OLAK5uy_nXZrYRnTHOmXSsccwZXvgIi3nSrOp-etE&index=7very pianistic. Just, uh, don't look the album cover too much...
now playingstart of Dvorak: Violin Concerto in A Minor, Op. 53, B. 108www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNU4V4WmdQ4&list=OLAK5uy_kQwL0hBNMPUDU_tgIkBGYsegspyB2lTAk&index=1start of Dvorak: Piano Quintet in A Major, Op. 81, B. 155https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uifKnn3DHnU&list=OLAK5uy_kQwL0hBNMPUDU_tgIkBGYsegspyB2lTAk&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kQwL0hBNMPUDU_tgIkBGYsegspyB2lTAkThe album cover is strongly reminiscent of the pop CDs produced by the local talent I'd see when browsing through the Asian stores my parents would take me to as a child in southern California. Seeing it really brought me back for a moment. Anyway...
>>127888054Did Wagner help destroy the West? Or was he just a victim of German Psychosis?
>>127909895Expand on your thesis.
>>127909895Wagner invented "the west". Wagner IS " the west". Wagner gave life and meaning to "the west". Without Wagner there would not be " the west".W.
>>127909895Wagner was trying to save the West, and he came close.
I don't know about it is about Blomstedt's Sibelius cycle but it just does not click for me. Anyone else feel this way?
>>127910364>he came close.h-h-he... came... c-c-close? t-t-to what OwO
>>127909895when was the west destroyed? I thought I was living it
>>127910651i can't coom, therefore the west has fallen
>>127909906It's a question not a thesis you dongle
>>127910651Well you were wrong . There's only the North, South and East left-you live in one of those.
listen to the Dover Quartet's Beethoven NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUj8ViIPLDQ&list=OLAK5uy_nCBLM4HWEQijWZdNc_V1YkDfiGUvLbLwY&index=34
>>127909895that depends on your definition of "western".
>>127911299Spengler's is the only concrete definition.
The Ben Dover Quartet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3famf7Bxi0The big R is still unsurpassed.
>>127911358>(((Spengler's))) is the only concrete definition.
>>127911410He wasn't Jewish.
deleting all jeet performers from my library
>>127911513you had any to begin with?
>>127911519actually my mistake, turns out Ramin Bahrami is Persian/Iranian, so no need to deleet :)mfw
>>127911535close call, glad everything's all right
Bach and BeforeBach and AfterBefore and After Bach Bach and before after Bach Bach and Bach After Bach and Before Before Bach but After Bach Before After Bach Baach before After Bach Bach Bach
yesss, fuckin' finallythe tracks aren't unlocked yet but soon. His excellent Book 1 was released in 2014, so it's about time! Now we just need Schaghajegh Nosrati to record Book 2 and all will be right with the world.
>>127911642correction, there is a one track/single samplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWXRX3tF90&list=OLAK5uy_n4NWjgpNX1J7BnOKgSB7kySQLRAHoHQz0&index=1Marvelous. Unique. Thoughtful.
>>127911642get a recording of Telemann's book of fugues to spice things up a bit.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym902CD0fc8
>>127911670I'm really only into piano, sorry. But thank you for the suggestion, TelemannAnon.
>>127911358>concreteIn other words, reductive.
These composers make me the happiest, as in, the most irrationally jolly:- Handel- Haydn- Wagner (really only meistersinger)- Sibelius
>>127911690yeah, because I'm sure your vibes/emotions-based definition is so much better.
>>127911701which ones make you the saddest?
Schiff!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbmfme5abio&list=OLAK5uy_mn8TCS5BcSQokOqyvW58qnm9fL5rFE7AY&index=1
>>127911716Yes anon, there is either reductive simplifications for philistines, or emotions-based vague guesses, no in-between. I hope you continue to approach intellectual issues with this binary approach, it will surely be fruitful and rewarding.
>>127911872based phenomenological mystic
>>127911872I am firmly convinced that Heidegger was a retard and his Jesuit "education" did nothing to help.
>>127911911>t. Dasein-lacking p-zombie
>>127911804BachPergolesiSchubertDebussy
sorry, I just can't do mono recording. idc if experts and connoisseurs think the mono recording is better than the stereo one, i can't do it
>>127912058stereophonic imaging doesn't really matter for solo music at least
>>127912129https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hdy9LyJ-w&list=OLAK5uy_lS4atw9ssnghLeZxKW2qL_I_PsU_Mbqc0&index=71meh, it's enough of a difference
>>127904571>>127904571>only music from 1750 to 1874 is disqualified!If you're being technical yeah, but what do you mean by late baroque? Perogesi? or the transitional figured like CPE Bach and Sammartini?
>>127911701Makes me happy knowing Sibelius' music makes someone else very happy.
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>>127912805damn I was just in the process of making a Stockhausen edition. Thanks tho
>>127909231https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI
