To Boddah Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complain-ee. This note should be pretty easy to understand. All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years, since my first introduction to the, shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guity beyond words about these things. For example when we're back stage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowds begins., it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddie Mercury, who seemed to love, relish in the the love and adoration from the crowd which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact is, I can't fool you, any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100% fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch-in time clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it (and I do,God, believe me I do, but it's not enough). I appreciate the fact that I and we have affected and entertained a lot of people. It must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasms I once had as a child.
On our last 3 tours, I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally, and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too fucking sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know! I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what i used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point to where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become. I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess. Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away. Peace, love, empathy. Kurt Cobain Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your alter. Please keep going Courtney, for Frances. For her life, which will be so much happier without me. I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU!
>>127913211>>127913212What an incredibly gay suicide note
>>127913211>>127913212>become rich and famous as fuck>marry a beautiful blonde rock and roll godess>have a daughter together>kills self because you didn't know how to treat your tummy hurtingFucking coward.
>>127913293>marry a beautiful blonde rock and roll godessTurn your monitor on
>>127913211>>127913212Anyone ever interpret this note?
>>127913293the stomach aches weren't real. heroin addicts make up shit like that as an excuse to use
>>127913212Not his best work
>>127913396Pinched nerve.Cry about it.
>>127913293Are you going to cry when it gets revealed it wasn't a suicide?
>>127913211>>127913212Fake note too.Probably entirely written by Courtney, except maybe the To Boddah.
Which, is pronounced Buddy, by the way.
>>127913992As someone who was once an obsessed Kurt stan and did obsessive research on both him and Courtney (read every book about them, every single interview ever published, seen every documentary etc), I believe that Kurt did in fact kill himself. And I think it's pretty obvious that he did.
>>127914232Yuphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5VSufswMj0
>>127914232>>127914484Well, I'm Kurt.So how did I kill myself if I'm still alive?
>>127913320She had a statuesque figure in her younger days. Had pretty much a butter face tho, especially before the nose job
>>127913293Courtney love wasn't that beautiful
>>127913391my interpretation is he felt bad about lying to everyone and being a drug addict so he decided to himself instead of bettering himself because uhh I dunno I guess it was too hard to change.
>>127913293He cured it prior no?
>>127913211>>127913212I haven't read that before and the only thing I remember about it was one of the radio djs read the thing on air and I listened at the time. I remember the empathy thing, in hindsight he would probably be considered slightly autistic today.My reaction to reading the note today is the guy needed a rest, like a year off or longer, maybe even just retire without an heroing, and he needed to talk to real people about religion and stuff
THis has been debated to death..It's not that mysterious.1. he had a history of suicides in the family - genetic component2. someone who knew him at school said he told him he wanted to become legendary like Hendrix then disappear3. history of severe stomach pains due to chronic gastritis, which is hellish for whoever had this, it can make you feel suicidal - and back then they didn't have much in the way of treatment I think they just gave them antiacids (as the lyrics from Pennyroyal tea attests) and they had no idea it was caused by a bacteria, so no effective treatment4. Courtney was playing mind games with him, trying to make him toughen up, so she started spreading rumors she was cheating, this added one more problem on his already full plate of having to manage fame, a band and health issues5. during the last show in Germany he lost his voice, went to the doctor who told him he cannot sing in that forced/shouted raspy style anymore6. Seattle was immersed in this crepuscular light during those early hours when he decided to take off, foreboding this apocalyptic atmosphere - it felt like the end of an era
>>127915965Hes using that word like he found a new word he liked to use but didnt get the meaning 100% but at the same time it makes sense the feeling empathy from everyone and hating everyone yet loving everyone and being oversensitive. Im slightly autistic and I feel that. I hate the fact that people are pieces of shit but I love the good people out there and it effects meBut at the same time he could have shown far more empathy to his daughter at least. And Courtney is a sociopath and has none
nobody going to talk about how the handwriting completely changes for the last bit, and you know, looking EXACTLY like someone writing with a non-preferred hand? anyway, courtney didn't kill him; david geffen did.
>>127916609>I'll be at your altar>I'll beat your altar
>>1279166092bh this sounds like sarcasmLike he was rubbing it in Courtney's face that she's gonna have to raise the kid alone, as punishment for fooling around with the cheating games
>>127914232I always figured he arranged things so that he would take an OD and then get one of his pals who was at the house to pull the trigger (to make sure there was no repeat of the Rome incident). So an assisted suicide, if you like. There were several guys at the house in the days before his body was 'discovered'. The first OD in Feburary 1994 looked like it left him with mild neurological damage, ie personality changes, and that on top of feeling trapped in a business/working situation he couldn't get out of without a lot of legal wrangling... he probably had tunnel vision. Most people have not lived with chronic suicidality. he clearly did and no amount of fame/personal success ever gets rid of it. Contentment ebbs and flows and in between, it only takes one or two minor setbacks or a rough week to have you spiralling again. See Anthony Bourdain.And Cobain didn't have anyone around him who actually gave a shit, and he'd pushed away a lot of old pals, so...He may well have wanted to pack up and retire and live a quiet life, but when you're chronically suicidal even tiny changes to your life are impossible to make.He needed to be sectioned for 24 months in a proper psych unit with 0 responsibilities, weaned off drugs and slowly rehabilitated back into the real world. Oh and divorce the violent junkie. But no music boss is gonna give their meal ticket 2-3 years off, you're worth more dead than alive at that point.I can see conspiracy theorists' point, tho... Courtney was a violent child who murdered her brother's pet rabbit by throwing it out a window, and stabbed him in the face with a pair of scissors. She attacked teachers at school, and set her first husband on fire while he was sleeping... and famously smashed Edward Norton's windows in and tried to attack his new girlfriend with a broken beer bottle when she broke into their apartment.She's absolutely capable of killing someone.
the virgin cobain suicide conspiracy theoristThe Chad Kristen Pfaff overdose fact observer
>>127915749Height isn't gonna get Courtney over or give me a boner. Her body is pretty gross too.
>>127916609Who cares if some untalented junkie committed suicide or was murdered? The world is a better place either way
>>127917282
>>127917299Where's the lie?
>>127914760You came back to teach us things.
>>127917331The junkie part.
>>127915857If someone is being drugged all the time, are they a drug addict?
>>127916518Yeah I feel you bro just know if you want to talk about anything there's always someone you can talk to don't be shy
>>127916609what if he added the end with less fine motor control after getting high for the last timeor just wrote it bigger for effect, it looks like the same person's handwriting to me though
>>127917361Like it not being a suicide, for one.
>>127917404Why are you making stuff up just to fit the current lie?
>>127914232>I listened to the stuff that Courtney made to try and vindicate herself for her feelings :(Lies, anon.
>>127917404that's great, but I've got a book and it's got pictures and shit in it.
>>127913212>Yours sincerely, Billykurt Corganbain
>>127917437those possibilities seem simpler than the assumption of foul play which calls for "making up" a lot more, also it seems clear where the letter is going before the larger writing> Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away.
>>127917371Kurty was just ribbing us with that heroin use. Straight up goofin' on us kek.
>>127917527It's not an assumption.
>>127917531You good, man?
you ask any junkie how they want to die, they're 100% all going to say 'violently, with as much gore as possible with an unwieldy firearm that takes incredible dexterity to aim towards one's head and reach the trigger'.
>>127917591Don't forget, "make the scene look like a bunch of other junkies tried making it look like a suicide but forget they staged it too much"
>>127917565why not
>>127917678I'll give you an example.I have some "snake oil" are you going to buy it?If not, why not?If yes, why?You didn't check, you just accepted the narrative.If you look for a second you can see quite a bit.
Not even mentioning the only way you can quickly and easily generate an estate off of a "corpse" is if the corpse is a suicide and you destroy the divorce papers, but even then...Should be a "last wishes" thing.Makes the lawyers culpable.
>>127913211>Like all manlets, Cobain was deeply insecure and constantly felt inadequate around other men. He was highly critical of other popular alternative/grunge bands of the era such as Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, accusing them of being 'posers', 'sellouts' and basically slagging them off at every opportunity. Pearl Jam vocalist Eddie Vedder in particular was terribly hurt by Cobain's vitriolic remarks. Not being a manlet himself, Vedder could never possibly understand the hatred for humanity burning inside the heart of every manlet. Even fellow manlets such as Tool vocalist Maynard James Keenan were not spared Cobain's toxic tongue. But as an ascended manlet, Keenan regarded Cobain's petty bitching as incredibly pathetic and refused to take the bait. This of course only enraged Cobain further.>Cobain later regretted such disrespectful behavior. "Oh what a fool I've been!" he cried as he put a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. The back of his head flew off and his brain flew out of a nearby window, sailing straight into a trash can where it was eventually eaten by stray cats. As Cobain's lifeless corpse was torn to shreds by hungry coyotes, Keenan was informed of the Nirvana frontman's passing. He laughed, then farted.
Applying Occam's razor to Kurt Cobain's death suggests the simplest explanation is the most likely one: he died by suicide.The entire suicide note, from beginning to end, has been identified by multiple experts as being in Cobain's handwriting, including his own mother. Forensic linguist Carole Chaski used computer software to conclude that Cobain did write the entire note.
>>127917584Yes?
>>127913211Junkies have poor personal hygiene. I have sniffed many penises and junkie's penises are definitely among the smelliest. But you can't put a junkie in the bath cuz they'll be all "Woah man this is SO comfy" as they nod off and drown instantly.
>>127918200What you're telling me is that the note was written by one person, that the mother was in on it.Occam's Razor actually would state that it was murder, and attempted at that.
>>127918060>>127918317Both of these are ridiculous.
>>127918060>Not being a manlet himself, Vedder could never possibly understand the hatred for humanity burning inside the heart of every manlet.Is this a joke? Vedder is like 171 cm, shorter than Cobain was 175cmWhy do you think PJ had a school shooting Jeremy song? Because Vedder was also seething with butthurt from being short
>>127918437Don't you know, Kurt-hate means they get to be edgelord losers.
>>127918060None of this holds a candle to what those black guys did to Kurty on that sizzling summer night in 92
>>127918518What does that even mean?
You can't understand suicide if you ain't been there, playas
>>127918591Get this trash out of here.
>>127913211I never understood the whole 'Muh Courtney killed Kurt' narrative. It makes for a juicy story but it just doesn't add up. More than anything else Courtney craved the spotlight. She wanted fame. Attention. If money was all she was after then maybe you'd have a decent conspiracy on your hands. But Courtney wanted to be a rock star. A celebrity in her own right. And Kurt was her meal ticket to becoming a star. She needed someone with actual talent to write Hole's songs. Why would she blow Kurt's head off when he'd only written one album for her? Live Through This was a big success but she needed a follow-up album at the very least and with Kurt being dead she suddenly had no one to write it. The situation was desperate but Courtney summoned up every last ounce of whore power she could and was able to persuade Billy Corgan into writing Celebrity Skin for her by fucking him senseless. It was a bold strategy and it certainly paid off so kudos to Courtney. But it would've been much easier to bug Kurt more hits for her since they were already married. It's just that Kurt's head had unfortunately fallen off.Anyway with no one left to write hit songs Hole kind of died out after Celebrity Skin but Courtney was famous enough by that point to start fucking her way into Hollywood and reinventing herself as a movie star in such films as Man on the Moon and The People vs Larry Flynt so it all worked out in the end. But yeah I think it's pretty obvious Kurt killed himself.
>>127916518>yea i never read it honestly until now and he overuse that word. as if he was high like a kite and looked it up in the dictionary, started to daydream while high about it; play cartoons in his head little meditation and scenarios around that word in every instances where it affects him and others in his life and such then he killed himself as a coda of his trip that one night. if the gun didnt go off or hwatever the next morning he would have been damn that was a little bit much, haha.
>>127918573So you don't know?>>127918591Pussy
>>127918704How can I know something that didn't happen?
>>127918518Kurt loved every minute of it
>>127918709Huh what u mean>>127918722Is this true?
>>127918651I have a theory that might explain some odd things involving Courtney. They were looking for him and ended up finding him dead. Around that time, her big album , the one that was about to make her famous for sure , was just weeks away from release. Back then, for some reason, heroin carried a massive taboo, and dying from an overdose could have "tainted" his legacy. Maybe it sounds like crazy talk, but once they found him dead, perhaps she asked the guy who discovered him to stage it as a suicide. Is that too far-fetched? They were all junkies, and junkie logic can reach strange places, so maybe that’s worth taking into consideration too. noth9ing to do with song credit or money , just ... maybe suicide looks better than overdose back then?
>>127918741So you don't know?>>127918722Only little bitch faggots say something like it, feds or jews maybe both.
>>127918759Rome was a practice attempt.Your theory falls through.
>>127918591This. It was only after killing myself that I finally understood suicide. I'd tell you all about it but I seem to be dead. Didn't really think this one through to be honest.
>>127918760You just don't wanna hear the truth about Kurty's night out. There he was. All 5 pairs of his jeans down around his ankles. Those unwashed white cakes clapping louder than the Unplugged audience while Kurty was hollering in pure delight in a way that was never captured in the studio. Kurt R. Cobain had the time of his life.
>>127918814Even if it's about Kevin Nash, it's still fucked up.Quit talking about.
>>127918759yeah kurt blowing his brains out wouldve been great promo for hole's album launch unless I dunno but kurt an heroing feels like such a big deal there's a danger it would just overshadow courtney's thing altogether
>>127918934There were a lot of rapes going on that year. Kevin R. Nash doesn't have the market cornered.
>>127918946Not of Kurt, though.
Looks like I will have to sue quite a few people/organizations and such.
>>127918317Based penis inhaler
>>127918952It's tough to hear but it happened
>>127918999It didn't.
>>127919009Trips of truth say otherwise
>>127918982Are you a jew?
>>127919021Numbers don't matter against the actual truth.
>>127919029Get this rape denier out of here
>>127918437>>127918494Shoo manlets, shoo
>>127919022I don't see how that's relevant, but yes
>>127913211>To Boddahwho tf is boddah
>>127914232Anyone who thinks big mouth Courtney Love, who couldn't fart without making headlines at the time, could get away with murder is a total retard.
>>127918759I recently learned that right before Kurt died, he had backed out of Lollapalooza that summer turning down something like $10 million. Nirvana was about to break up. The so called suicide note was a letter to his fans about this.Kurt was suddenly in a situation where he was worth a lot more dead than alive to a lot of people. Not a good circumstance to find yourself in.
>>127919242>The so called suicide note was a letter to his fans about this.Wow how convenient that he had already written a goodbye note that passes for a suicide note that can be planted at the scene of the crime
>>127913211Grohl blasted him
>>127919234Her brain was also so fried on drugs, she couldn't even do mental maths, let along plot a murder
>>127919242Who gives the people that already tried to kill you more money?
>>127919272Dude started looking like the joker at the end. Eating that shotgun blast was for the best.
>>127920327believing in the courtney killed kurt shit is the ultimate low IQ basic ass take. you're not special because you believe in a conspiracy theory.
>>127920347The suicide is the conspiracy theory.
>>127918431Nuh uh
>>127922538Yah huh
>>127919170His imaginary friend
>>127923671I feel like alter would be more fitting.
>>127913211He died in great pain.
>>127924894How do you know that, or how do you figure?
>>127924894he was high as shit and died instantly, literally the perfect way to go
>>127913211Yeah, this is basically your perception of everything when you're a raging heroin addict. Sad. Nothings fun anymore. Not even being a rockstar.
>>127913211Maybe if he wasn't dope sick the whole time he could've enjoyed it, and lived.
>>127913211When you take a homeless drug addict and make him a rockstar and creator of a whole genre. Kurt cobain is what happens.
Um, excuse me. Kurt died you know.
>>127919272>i can fix him
>>127913212>death rockeroh, please… Black Sabbath, Black Flag and The Pixies aren’t “death rock”
>>127925367Apartments =/= homelessThe junkie narrative is false, so there goes the drug addict angle too.
>>127923671>>127924807THAT'S SO FUKKKING PATHETIC, UNHOLY SHIT! SUCH A RETARDED MANCHILD.
>>127927746>Apartments =/= homelessthis is true. he was a handsome, young well liked guy. he always had a place to stay. More than one chick in the pacific northwest would let him live for free at their house whenever he wanted.>The junkie narrative is false, so there goes the drug addict angle too.nigger are you retarded?
>>127925389>>127928834https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBr_SasLrT4
Huehuehue
Billy Corgan won
>>127931567He's bald, old and doing the nostalgia circuitWhile Nirvana has enjoyed a revival of interest in recent years
>>127931594he's not bald he wears a skin cap. it's the character.
>>127931567Won what?The "rivalry" was only on paper/ imaginary.
>>127931567Smashing Pumps was not a phenomenon in the 90s..
>>127931567>>127931594They both won. Kurt dies a legend and remains forever young & beautiful, and Billy Corgan gets to live a comfortable life and spend time on earth.
>>127913293Alright doc, how DO you treat your tummy hurting?
>>127932357>Smashing Pumps was not a phenomenon in the 90s..Mellon Collie debuted at number one and they swept the 96 VMA's. even the teachers and old people bought that album. in magazines like Newsweek and Time it was called "the wall of the 90's"it's the highest selling double CD of all timethey were absolutely, without a doubt the biggest band in the world for a couple years. it was all downhill from there but they absolutely had their day in the sun
So how the fuck did Eddie get away? Are daddy issues THE bandaid for suicide?RIP Scott, Layne, Kurt, Chris
>>127933314No heavy drugs.
>>127933264The highest-selling double CD of all time depends on the region and whether actual copy sales or RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) unit-based certifications are considered; however, for the US, The Beatles' The White Album (1968) is often cited due to RIAA's double-counting methodology, while Pink Floyd's The Wall (1979) is frequently mentioned for its significant worldwide sales and cultural impact. Michael Jackson's HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I (1995) sold over 20 million copies (40 million units) worldwide.
>>127933314He was a surferSo basically the Blur guy was right. Whoever was into sports survived
>>127933264Alice In Chains' Jar of Flies debuted at number 1 on the Billboard 200, it doesn't mean the band was a big cultural phenomenon in the 90s like Nirvana was
>>127918651>I never understood the whole 'Muh Courtney killed Kurt' narrative. it ironically started because a PI courtney hired to find kurt ended up believing she was involved somehow, and despite the fact that he's been quite public about it for decades she has bizarrely never sued him for what would apparently be an easy win/money (he alleges courtney is broke because frances got all the money) also, hole's bassist who kurt was possibly having an affair with died of an overdose a few months later
>>127933882The guy tried to turn that one-time job into the grift of a lifetime, trying to spin a story around it and sell it. Not sure if it worked out for him, but there are plenty such grifters who participate in some big event and they keep writing books, making websites, giving interviews, just to milk their participation in that event without which they'd be completely insignificant.Typically such people have no hard evidence either way, they sell doubts and vague insinuations
>>127913211>>127913212>Kills self because he feels bad about not being excited about touringEither mentally retarded or fake and gay.Actually both, as it was written by retarded Courtney.
>>127913212>Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know! I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambitionSmoking gun. Courtney wrote that shit and shilled herself in it
>>127931567i don't like it but it's true
>>127913211>>127913211I bet none of you have see the El Duce video where he speaks on Courtney offering him $50k to wack Kurt Cobain: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho2nK5IQs_g&pp=ygUdZWwgZHVjZSBrdXJ0IGNvYmFpbiBpbnRlcnZpZXc%3D&rco=1
>>127934926Yeah that was in that Kurt and Courtney nick Bloomfield documentary
>>127934851go to bed billy
>>127934119makes sense if that was your one ambition and escape from the nightmare of everything else in life
>>127913211agreed
>>127935048with me
Siamese Dream is the best alternative album of all time
