Weber editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HysUA8wx7UMThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127912804
>>127932881i don't get it
Authentic Romanticism is supreme achievement of humanity.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0iVaxKsboE&list=OLAK5uy_lB3qc7J4FJuHHqgSH-C7RlFwWPcy27f3E&index=1
you HAVE listened to every recording on this page, right, anon???https://bachcellosuites.co.uk/bach-cello-suites-home/favourite-fivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzqQuD5N5mI&list=OLAK5uy_kciACZR_57T5reDdw86G1AULnZiFlTGqs&index=19
Music to accompany reading Anna Karenina
>>127932927ok Rued, eat your cod
>>127932935let's try that Alban Gerhardt one today, listed under the Intellectual sectionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucwd83z08Os&list=OLAK5uy_nIsKzIzi13aKSzpuRSmha09bZ10CTqSj0&index=10>>127932947Maybe... Couperin's keyboard music performed on piano (Hewitt's recordings?) or Mozart's piano sonatas. I don't normally enjoy listening to music while reading, but if you're gonna do it, I'd opt for solo piano.Or, breaking the rule so you can go Russian, then I'd select Tchaikovsky's three ballets. Oh, Glazunov's symphonies might be good too.Fuck, now I'm thinking chamber music might suffice, like Mozart's string quartets and quintets or Glazunov's string quartets. Alright, done.
>>127932988Taking pauses from reading to listen to music and reflect is nice. Those are good recs, thanks.
>>127932935plebhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqgi8kbIXXo&list=OLAK5uy_m_cZZ3rkBHwuG6Ac9e5hqTSVev20y_jls&index=13
>>127932935No. Historically (mis)informed cringefest is terrible noise. And where's Pablo Casals? His rubato seems to be much better than the resthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-uTNFzSoTQ>>127932967Incoherent post.
>>127932947Tripe for tripehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu_03mUPgHUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o42phA-Y0vUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPMUHVza-KA
>>127933053no one asked
>>127933053Casals is only worth listening to for historical purposes tbqh
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u649z-ZhaTQ&list=OLAK5uy_nQzGjKSs5Q-M2xKC5CxAFq5oG7A9NNeZQ&index=4
speaking of Bach, I guess we can finally embark on Rudolf Lutz's cantatas cycle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMlSVhhOa6c&list=OLAK5uy_ljuCZpjcEFLIv5G-2AXtZsgs6zCViDNVY&index=2If I don't care for it, Rilling is my backup choice.
>>127933068like any other recording touted as the best ever in this tragic and embarrassing general
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDEpa211CyE&list=OLAK5uy_k8P_-82sgkqy_vZvSz1-ua30-IA7MicxY&index=9
yall ever get tired of hisscore like yall ever want to actually listen to the music or
>>127933128but anon, my favorite set of Bach's Cello Suites was released in 2020!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWfG4vHAbbA&list=OLAK5uy_kM_ZxEAoco4I844xNlSvDl4nNYR_q0hbU&index=31
>>127933141Great recording.
>>127933173then you're not the hissfag the question is aimed at. Good for you, though, for real
>>127933166neverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otQs2ZFTqZc&list=OLAK5uy_l5i2uGHTDXDmupgvpEGI90Khs7jLxk84E&index=7
Whaddy'all make of Clementi? I know he's an important influence on better remembered composers (from Beethoven and Hummel to Chopin and Moscheles to name a few) and I'm aware of his relevance as a pedagogue (Gradus Ad Parnassum and what not), but of his own music I've heard (and heard *of*) very little.Was he particularly good as a composer? Would you consider him an essential classical composer along with the likes of C.P.E./J.C. Bach, Salieri, Haydn, Mozart, etc?
>>127932935no I don't need anything else when I have Shafran
>>127932935>forcefully cropped out the "intellectual" sectiona very novel way of coming out as stupid
>>127933328i tried zooming out but that's all that would fit on my screen, i promise :(
Scriabi’s Diner
Alfred Cortot for me
Bach's French and English Suites are charming in small doses but I can't actually sit down and listen through an entire set in one go, maybe not even half a set. Anyone feel the same way?
>>127933387No, just you
so many great Bruckner 8s, which one do I feel like listening to today... maybe<----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pvcpPbmyvw&list=OLAK5uy_lkTC4Z-K4wDjksCymK7R7NyTCUSBSuMXY&index=1
>>127933438>which one do I feel like listening tohow the fuck are we to know
>>127933448I was thinking aloud!
>>127933456You can think without posting. Do so.
>>127933483hmm shall I heed anon's suggestion, I don't know, he was kinda rude... fuck it, I shall.Okay! Now let me enjoy the Bohm Bruckner 8 with Vienna, and I hope you'll enjoy it too :)
>>127933505Kill yourself
I never listened to classical but I took the Pendereckipill recently and I listened to all his symphonies, violin concertos plus the usual suspects like Anaklasis, Threnody, Polymorphia etc.He reminds me of the film composer Wojciech Kilar. I find the shrill, dense and dissonant style pleasing. Is this a specific school/branch of composition I can look into with a bunch of people doing this style or is it unique to this couple of composers?
>>127933438Is it just me or is Bohm a bit flabby with his tempo modifications? It works, but he's certainly never the most expressive conductor in the late romantic reportoir.
>>127933692>It works, but he's certainly never the most expressive conductor in the late romantic reportoir.I mean what's that common thing people say, Bohm plays classic era romantically and romantic era classically? Sums it up well.
>>127932898>DER FREISCHÜTZBased.
>In 2015, the Salzburg Festival announced that it would affix a plaque in its Karl Böhm refreshment lobby (Karl-Böhm-Saal) acknowledging the conductor's complicity with Nazi Germany: "Böhm was a beneficiary of the Third Reich and used its system to advance his career. His ascent was facilitated by the expulsion of Jewish and politically out-of-favor colleagues".Lmao
>>127933563He is BABIAA Approved, one of few post Webern composers along with Reich and Ligeti where you can tell its them on the hearing
>>127933770embarrassing
When its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>>127933847>Is there a better feeling in this world?Scriabi's Diner
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
>>127933794ok nazi
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:FieldChabrierFranckTarregaWagner*Any of the Russian 5GriegAlkanLate Beethoven
anyone here read this? Listening to Rosen's Goldberg Variations and looked him up and discovered he had some books on music.>What Charles Rosen’s National Book Award–winning The Classical Style did for the music of the Classical period, this volume brilliantly does for the Romantic Era. An exhilarating exploration of the musical language, forms, and styles of the Romantic period, it captures the spirit that enlivened a generation of composers and musicians, and in doing so it conveys the very sense of Romantic music. In readings uniquely informed by his performing experience, Rosen offers consistently acute and thoroughly engaging analyses of works by Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Bellini, Liszt, and Berlioz, and he presents a new view of Chopin as a master of polyphony and large-scale form. He adeptly integrates his observations on the music with reflections on the art, literature, drama, and philosophy of the time, and thus shows us the major figures of Romantic music within their intellectual and cultural context.>Rosen covers a remarkably broad range of music history and considers the importance to nineteenth-century music of other cultural developments: the art of landscape, a changed approach to the sacred, the literary fragment as a Romantic art form. He sheds new light on the musical sensibilities of each composer, studies the important genres from nocturnes and songs to symphonies and operas, explains musical principles such as the relation between a musical idea and its realization in sound and the interplay between music and text, and traces the origins of musical ideas prevalent in the Romantic period. Rich with striking descriptions and telling analogies, Rosen's overview of Romantic music is an accomplishment without parallel in the literature, a consummate performance by a master pianist and music historian.According to other reviews, he really goes into positive criticism of Chopin.
>>127933960Have only read chapters of that one but I have read The Classical Style and highly recommend it. Enjoyed what I saw of that too.
>>127934027Cool, I'll check it out, thanks! Also I'm really loving his Goldberg Variations if you haven't heard it, lots of color and personality, as opposed to monotone virtusoslop you get with some certain famous recordings,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT2t78WXvpw&list=OLAK5uy_n5nU-Iyssl1h6EDUvb_f4f_19xvk4PHKM&index=4
>>127933277>>127933277
>>127933794indeed that was pretty embarrassing on Böhm's part
>>127934027not only were his writings good, but he was also a pretty good performer. great Art of Fugue and Hammerklavier
>>127934345>>127934053>>127934027>Charles Rosen (1927-2012) was a remarkably gifted man, an expert on, among other things, French literature and art, and also a perceptive and witty writer on music. Yet what he always wanted to do most was to play the piano, which he thought one could only do satisfactorily by taking up the career of a concert pianist. He had a distinguished career as a performer but in his later years became better known for a series of books, of which The Classical Style and The Romantic Generation have become established classics in their field. However, the best of his recordings are also of lasting value, and this version of the Goldbergs is certainly one of them.:o
now playing, hipster beethovenstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 15 in D Major, Op. 28 "Pastoral"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngIcxniDxEQ&list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7s&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 16 in G Major, Op. 31 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPQrGS9ISs&list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7s&index=6start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 in C Major, Op. 53 "Waldstein"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkIhYc6z6ak&list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7s&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_luMbsKvyR60NxdlzwbovH3MTNuQRCgF7sBiss' Beethoven kinda sounds like what you'd expect a Beethoven cycle praised on Pitchfork to sound like -- introverted, sensitive, understated, a little milquetoast -- but I've come to like it.
>>127934422>what you'd expect a Beethoven cycle praised on Pitchfork to sound likeand look like, too
best Josquin masses recordings? musically I've been really enjoying Vocal Ensemble Capella, but they purposefully slightly mispronounce the latin text with the accent that Josquin's singers would've had (so slight French-y sounding vowels) instead of a proper latin pronunciation and it bothers me a bit
>>127934180>>127934180
>>127933277>>127934180>>127934841
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>>127931470>Preludes: Cortot1933 or 1957?
..............c l e m e n t i
>>127932935>romantic>literally none of the performers there are romanticHuh?
>>127933692You are listening to his most boring recording of the 8th by far. It's not really representative of his approach to the piece.
>>127933960Yes. Rosen is very good to read. I've posted excerpts of his books here at times. As a performer he also goes into performance practice of the pieces. His analysis of the Hammerklavier basically confirmed my preferences (and Beethoven's) for the piece. >The tempo of the first movement of the Hammerklavier is Allegro, which for Beethoven was always a fast tempo. He never wrote a simple "Allegro" when he meant "Allegro maestoso" or "Allegro ma non troppo." It does not matter what metronome marking a pianist chooses for this movement providing it sounds Allegro; there is no excuse, textual or musical, for making it sound majestic, like Allegro maestoso, and such an effect is a betrayal of the music. It is often done, because it mitigates the harshness of the work, but this harshness is clearly essential to it. A majestic tempo also saps the rhythmic vitality on which the movement depends. As we have seen, the actual material of the work is neither rich nor particularly expressive; it only lives up to its reputation for greatness if its rhythmic power is concentrated. And it is meant to be difficult to listen to.
>>127935727yes, as opposed to all those composers of the Exploring and Historically Informed periods
>>127935775>he is good because I agree with himthe sheerS T A T ETATE
>>127932935
>>127935983nono, he's good because *he* agrees with *me*
>>127936069>A. Bylsmamore like abysmal amirite lamarofol
>>127932848this unironicallyhis claim to fame is mainly for writing complex piano pieces for the sake of complexity so that piano nerds can use them for practice and for competitions but the music isn't good to listen to
>>127935775>actually, beethoven wanted his music to sound like shit and be poor in quality!Amazing observation
>>127936283>implying Chopin is complex>implying therefore badImagine being filtered by imagined complexity
>>127935983I disagree with him on plenty, but his observations on the Hammerklavier were astute. >>127936356Hard to listen to =/= sound like shitThe metronome marking is indisputable.
>>127935952the point----->your head
>>127936540basic reading comprehension, language, communication, and context literacy--------------->your kidney stone of a piss-brain
>>127936084rorofloemamo
>>127936583>she still doesn't get itlmao
>>127936605haha yeah I truly don't get how >>127935727>Huh?can come from anything more than a particularly receptive and painstakingly trained cockatiel
>>127936621Huh?
>>127936632Ooh, I know, bud. Don't worry your pretty pea-brain about it
>>127936655Huh?
>>127933277>Whaddy'all make of Clementi? I know he's an important influence on better remembered composers (from Beethoven and Hummel to Chopin and Moscheles to name a few) and I'm aware of his relevance as a pedagogue (Gradus Ad Parnassum and what not), but of his own music I've heard (and heard *of*) very little.>Was he particularly good as a composer? Would you consider him an essential classical composer along with the likes of C.P.E./J.C. Bach, Salieri, Haydn, Mozart, etc?
>>127933960>Chopin as a master of polyphony and large-scale form.This is evident to anyone with ears. Late Chopin is as good contrapuntist as it gets. He just didn't care for strict contrapuntal forms.
>>1279352401926https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKCnIS0ZdbQ&list=OLAK5uy_mIFcCRlBUmV-mIdymgWwPDnmHR0QbtcUg&index=11933 is good. 1957 is also good, but you can hear he's old, he's playing slow.
Does anyone happen to know any interpretation of Chopin's polonaises (particularly op.40 no.2 in c minor) on a period instrument?! I can't bare Chopin's music being butchered by modern instruments.
thoughts on Garrick Ohlsson's complete Chopin Works?
>>127937005I've listened to some of it and I was not impressed.
>>127936920Search for Chopin Pleyel (or Erard) performances. Olejnickaz, Kenner, Koczalski and some other pianists are known for historical performances and here's a 40/2 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO1lMyyOJ84Check out picrelhttps://www.discogs.com/release/13935914-Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric-Chopin-The-Real-Chopin-Complete-Works-On-Period-InstrumentsOlejnickaz seems to have one as well, but not on this album
Why are all the long symphonists from the romantic period? Besides Beethoven's and Schubert's 9th, are there any hour long symphonies from the classical period out there at all?
>>127937355>Olejnickaz seems to have one as wellnvm he's playing on Steinway there. Anyway, the National Institute of Frederic Chopin is your best hope of finding more recordings of Chopin played on Pleyel/Erard. But this one was pretty good as well.
>>127937355Really nice Anon thankyou a lot!
Nocturne Op. 27 no.2 performed on 3 different pianos. Pleyel vs Erard vs Steinway:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIoL7CFqrOQPleyel was Chopin's favorite, but he also owned an Erard.
>>127937426You are failing to see the historocal porpouse of the symphony through the eras Anon. In baroque and classical it was light entertainment presented usually before laeger works or in between movements of larger works, like Operas or Oratorios. That vew changed during the XIX century. So no, there is no hour long symphonies in classical period because they weren't needed.
Why do "people" from academia always interpret the most disgusting possible things about composers when met with even a tiny bit of evidence that doesn't even remotely fit?>Mozart made some poop jokes to his cousin?>He must have had a scat fetish and a sexual scatological relationship with her
>>127937510I thought scat fetishism was a joke. Do people seriously believe that?
>>127937510Because it's funny to ragebait incels like you.
>>127937510look at that face, anon. Mozart had the physiognomy of a degenerate.
>>127937531All great composers were degenerates
>>127937510Because academics are a singularly revolting subspecies of the human being.
>>127937531Here's Bach's face reconstructed on the basis of his supposed skull conserved in Leipzig
>>127937005the pedal king>>127936069ty anon, i will periodically spam this picture whenever the mood strikes
>>127934516People generally show you who they are :)
>>127936069I can't even imagine listening to Bach's Cello Suites this many times!
>>127937839I pity your poor imagination.
>>127937839It's kinda part and parcel of being a fan of classical music, anon. Or if you mean specifically Bach's Cello Suites, then hopefully their sublimity and spirituality will become readily apparent to you in due time!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMOeOQr4yIA&list=OLAK5uy_l6iXqP9gcJqAhB1ULmxPC5dDMiy4Auu38&index=31
>>127937856btw this Bailey set is probably on my personal top 5, and it upsets me it didn't make the page of >>127936069
As one of the biggest fans of Bach's Cello Suites here, I wanna make it clear to those here whom the work hasn't clicked, that the choice of recording matters significantly. I love the work, but there are some very famous recordings which make it sound off-putting even to my ears, so please, before you decide to write them off for the entirety of your life, give a handful of diverse recordings a try and hopefully one of them will click and you'll start to get it.
>>127936449>le listening to classical makes me sophisticated smug fedora>to be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand rick and morty>i enjoy all classical music because i'm smart, even the composers who are top 10 or top 5 at best, but people who enjoy taylor swift's songs are stupid sheep
>>127937005>>127937174>You can find videos featuring pianist Garrick Ohlsson related to Chopin on YouTube through channels like the Chopin Institute and through the National Chopin Piano Competition's official presence. Ohlsson, a winner of the 1970 competition, also collaborates on The Chopin Podcast with Ben Laude, which discusses Chopin's music and life.typical example of normies being brainwashed via shilling on youtube etc
>>127937909I get it, but it's not my favorite thing, like for some of you. I'm familiar with 3-4 sets, and I have no interest or motivation toe explore it further. I would have more motivation if it was written for a keyboard and cello.
chopin nocturne op 9 no 2 sounds like a sloppified debussy clair de lune lol
it even auto-suggested it from the debussy video. i didn't search for op 9 no 2 specifically, just started playing all the nocturnes.
>>127938137>just started playing all the nocturnes.Based
>>127938107only the lowest of philistines woudl talk about Chopin's Op. 9 No. 2 in such a derogatory manner
>>127938137that's funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noi55KOvrew&lc=UgzdigyqHajlzTPXoeh4AaABAg.ANkFdWlibtUANln35bGlqSFinally a good fucking /classical/ film about Chopin, will you go watch it?
>>127938289will it finally teach me how to pronounce Chopin, and if I'm lucky, Schumann?
>>127938289Blackson Studios
>>127938318Can you stop doing that? You're killing this general. Please and thank you.
>>127938289>portraying Chopin opposite to what he was>terrible pop garbage soundtrack instead of Chopin's own musicAlready disappointing.
now playingstart of Brahms: Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 73https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=646VkEXbSdE&list=OLAK5uy_kagMHyXpXWXzz4NueBNnNNdm0zOVRnpEc&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kagMHyXpXWXzz4NueBNnNNdm0zOVRnpEcwarning: slow af tempo, a true pastoral
oh shi-- I'm officially a made guy.
>>127938541A badge of shame
>>127931756>I bet Russians spend all day tormented like Ivan Karamazov about the meaning of life and death and God whilst listening to Rachmaninoff which their souls understand uniquely in ways my obtuse scientific brain is simply incapable of...The frens i have from there don't often listen to Rachmaninoff, now that I think of it. When they listen to classical music it's more often soviet composers and Tchaikovsky in the new year. Feels like Rach is more popular in the west than in the east, at least from my expierence.Mozart/Linckelmannhttps://youtu.be/F8TH_PMjQuE
>>127938607There's nothing you can do about it, he's a made guy and you aren't
test.
>>127931756Imagine actually wanting to be Russian in this day and age, literally an orc. All Russians of value were killed or emigrated. As a culture, as a civilization, as a spirit, they are over and done with.
>>127938637Real greaseball shit.>Editor's caption: authentic FBI photo of the leaders of the Barenboim crime family
>>127938650Today right now, is the only good time to be a Russian.
>>127938650>literally an orcITS JUST LIKE LORD OF THE RINGS DUDE, AZOV ARE LIKE THE AVENGERS
>>127938663His son looks like a thicc Shapiro
>>127938706Hah, I feel you, as much as I loathe making pop culture analogies for real life scenarios, the Russians don't merit comparison with anything in the realm of serious literature and art.
>>127938706That's Marvel my dude not LOTR
now playing, more Bachstart of JS Bach: Sonata for Solo Violin No. 1 in G Minor, BWV 1001https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS066MkMNmo&list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI&index=2start of JS Bach: Partita for Solo Violin No. 1 in B Minor, BWV 1002https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iAlo55CfVA&list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI&index=6start of JS Bach: Sonata for Solo Violin No. 2 in A Minor, BWV 1003https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67LaYsOiir8&list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lxahg59eGJTrcKrmEMnW2FCEjy0jxR8FI>In the end, price may decide on which you go for, but I for one am prepared to stick my neck out and say you certainly won’t be disappointed by this Virgin classics two-disc set. Having it in your collection is like having a beautifully lit fine painting on the wall at home – there to be enjoyed, and to inspire and refresh your soul on a regular basis. ---- Dominy ClementsTruly a recording which every anon in this general ought to have and cherish. Listening to a bit of Bach everyday is a spiritual boon. I read Schiff starts his day with an hour of Bach.
>>127938630Rach is certainly popular even in Russia, but among more classical connoisseurs, rather than regular people who only listen to Tchaikovsky ballet in the new year or that one Shostakovich waltz
In the past year, I've gone through an obsessive Mahler phase, a Bruckner phase, a Beethoven phase, and now Bach phase. I wonder what's next for me. Liszt? Chopin?
>>127938650>All Russians of value were killed or emigrated. What defines a man's value? >As a culture, as a civilization, as a spirit, they are over and done with.I would honestly argue that this statement applies to countries like Germany, UK and France much more than Russia. France and the UK especially are run by people who hate their country and themselves and want every part of their identity buried. Germany's only "nationalist" party is run by a lesbian with an immigrant wife. In all 3 of these nations, having any love for your homeland or history and wanting to protect it will lead to a knock on the door by the police. The only difference your vote will make in these places is whether your country will be overrun by illegal migrants or legal migrants and people still believe that they can democratically solve this because they are too afraid to do any semblance of an overthrow of their government. That is what I would call a dead spirit, nobody is willing to die to protect their national identity and the only action they take to defend it is filling in a piece of paper every 2-4 years.I am not claiming that Russia is a right wing utopia, but it suffers from these issues far less than the aforementioned countries. You might agree or disagree with Russia's geopolitical actions, but calling them "dead in spirit" is kind of ridiculous if you do not consider the nations I mentioned here dead in spirit as well. But if they are, what country is alive?
it's always the anime-girl fags being autistic and asking about self-evident truths.
>>127938796A piano phase.
>>127938799the guy you're talking to is likely chopincel. russians to poles are like Trump to democrats. if you want to troll poles, just act as if they're russian. they get really fucking butthurt if you do that
>>127938826This time he's spitting facts, though
>>127938728LOTR is the closest brits got to serious literature. Russians had, and have been running circles around them for centuries on every literary level
>>127938799sigh, it's narrowminded, propagandized thinking like this that causes the bizarre sympathies many conservatives in the Western harbor for Russia. Russia is literally a third-world country outside of Moscow and St Petersburg. It is ruled by a mafia state kleptocracy where everyone must pledge absolute fealty to its amoral, bloodthirsty, madman dictator leader. As for the culture itself, there is no semblance of morality or soul, it's a jungle where the only thing they value or even recognize is power. Rape, murder, thievery, corruption, oppression, tyranny, they don't give a shit about any of it, they don't love anything, they don't value anything beyond raw materialist power.Russia is not the bastion of traditional Western values like you've been fooled to believe. It's a thuggery on the world-stage. Speaking of tradition, it's tradition for officers in the army to rape new recruits as a form of hazing, both men and women. That says everything you need to know about the country and culture.
>>127938841Don't reply to my posts ever again.
>>127938868Impressive, very nice. Now let's see what nation you're from.
>>127938828Pure phase :D
>>127938868Back in my day, fedposts used to be subtle
>>127938877I thank God everyday I'm an American and not a R*sskie.>>127938884paid troll or brainwashed /pol/tard. Look, I'm mostly socially conservative so I get it, but Russia is not the place you've been fooled to think it is. If you think I'm wrong, move there. If you're currently living in an actual first-world country, I bet you won't, and I don't blame you. Russia is hell unless you're part of the small ruling class in Moscow or St. Petersburg, and even then I'd rather be lower-middle class in the West.
>>127938829>Chopinfags fighting Russianfags
this is the /classical/ topic line, the off topic discussion ends now------------
As much as I love the cello, it's not really an instrument you can listen to for long periods of time. It's best in small doses.
>>127938868That's exaggeration coming from someone who's never ever been to Russia. A lot of Russia is indeed like a countryside, siberia is just pure nature. But nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Russia is at the same time wealthiest nation on the planet, owning more than 70% of world's natural resources (minerals, gas, etc.). And for what it's worth, they had great composers, art, science and culture for a short period. None of which matters here on /mu/, except the composers, so again, tone down your Russophobia, and let us connoisseurs appreciate the great Russian composers of the past, no one cares about politics. Or rather, no one should.
>>127938897Please see :>>127938884
>>127938897le ogre de las americas
>>127938926>the great Russian composers of the pastall the 0 of them
>>127938868You didn't at all tackle any point I made>sigh, it's narrowminded, propagandized thinking like this that causes the bizarre sympathies many conservatives in the Western harbor for Russia. [...] Russia is not the bastion of traditional Western values like you've been fooled to believe.Did you even read my post or did you copypaste this from somewhere? I spoke literally in the post you replied to "I am not claiming that Russia is a right wing utopia", I never said they are without issues. > It is ruled by a mafia state kleptocracy where everyone must pledge absolute fealty to its amoral, bloodthirsty, madman dictator leader. This is just straight bullshit, I've seen more critiques of Putin from my Russian friends than the most dedicated NATOtard. I have yet to see them dragged into the slammer.> As for the culture itself, there is no semblance of morality or soul, it's a jungle where the only thing they value or even recognize is power. Rape, murder, thievery, corruption, oppression, tyranny, they don't give a shit about any of it, they don't love anything, they don't value anything beyond raw materialist power.This is just getting schizophrenic. Maybe some exist over there who believe in that, but so are there people in the west that believe in that. Trying to pretend that the west isn't extremely materialist culturally is just being delusional. Even this very thread has a bunch of anti-theistic materialists. If anything they tend to be more often Christian than most westerners I have met.>>127938897>I thank God everyday I'm an American Ah that explains it, mutts generally have a lot of hate in their soul.
>>127938942You forgot to add '1' before a '0'
now playing, revisiting this set of Beethoven's String Quartets by the Belcea Quartet (pronounced BELCH-ah)start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 6 in B-Flat Major, Op. 18 No. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jHb-0tyyyA&list=OLAK5uy_mfkL9q86TyeskCYbjpkSG9HYn5RbM2fz8&index=2start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 12 in E-Flat Major, Op. 127https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNFWTisgdqI&list=OLAK5uy_mfkL9q86TyeskCYbjpkSG9HYn5RbM2fz8&index=7start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 18 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cjk0yfIlBc&list=OLAK5uy_mfkL9q86TyeskCYbjpkSG9HYn5RbM2fz8&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mfkL9q86TyeskCYbjpkSG9HYn5RbM2fz8This set seems to have quite the mixed reception, almost a love-it-or-hate-it. I need a break from performances with too sweet, cloying style of playing, like the Dover Quartet, and this is a nice palate cleanser, being on the opposite side of the interpretive spectrum.
>>127938942Don't go full retard. Even if you dislike the commonly praised composers, there's bound to be at least one you like. It's like me saying there are no good french composers because I havent heard one I like
>>127938956You don't even have to like any Russian composer to acknowledge they had great composers, unless you're a literal monkey
>>127938868>american calling other countries materialist
>>127938945NATOtard, huh... one day I hope you'll grow up and break free of your Russian brainwashing (their efforts in the informational warfare space is first-rate, so I don't blame you for getting sucked in, believe me, I've been there) and learn that the West are, in fact, the good guys.
My favorite Russian composer Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b52OA717DhE
>>127938973In the sense that Americans and people in the West in general (native Westerners, at least) actually believe in morality and the Platonic Good. Modern day Russian citizens don't. They only believe in what you can touch and feel. They only recognize power. How they're treating Ukrainians, both POWs and civilians, should tell you everything you need to know about them, where pillaging and conflict rape is encouraged as the spoils of war. Where those who surrender to them are starved, tortured, and executed. Disgusting. Why would you want to throw in your lot with them? Again, I recognize their skill in the informational warfare space, but you've gotta break free because you're being fooled, taken for a ride.>>127938945
>>127939002I thought Russians were all based orthodox christians?
>>127939002>people in the West in general (native Westerners, at least) actually believe in morality and the Platonic Good.
>>127938945>Trying to pretend that the west isn't extremely materialist culturally is just being delusional. Even this very thread has a bunch of anti-theistic materialists.NTA but this is a non-sequitur. I agree with your sentiment overall, but blaming it on materialism is /x/pol/tier dogmatic stupidity. Christianity is a dead meme.scriabin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLkHNiSX8sk
>>127939002>They only recognize power. How they're treating Ukrainians, both POWs and civilians, should tell you everything you need to know about them, where pillaging and conflict rape is encouraged as the spoils of war.I mean, ukranians do the same shit back. It's not like this is one sided
>>127938978>NATOtard, huh... one day I hope you'll grow up and break free of your Russian brainwashing I mean, why should I like NATO and the constant waste of my taxes to a war that isn't mine?>and learn that the West are, in fact, the good guys.I don't know, you can say Russia helps bring migrants over here, but it's the west that doesn't tell them to fuck off and force me to live among them. The west are also the ones who force me to pay taxes to accommodate these people, they're the ones who tell me that having any national pride is bad and that I am bad for wanting my country to belong to the indigenous people. If supporting my own genocide makes me the good guy, i'd prefer not to be.
which Scriabin set to listen to...
>>127939026Russians want you to hate migrants, retard. That is what I was talking about in their materialist beliefs. They have no empathy for those at war and want to infect you with that lack of empathy
>>127939040...Alright, that should be enough. Back to music.Mahlerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtaJZg3sbAg
>>127939026I won't discuss why funding Ukraine is worthwhile here. For the rest of what you said, yes, those are genuine political and cultural problems in the West. However, lemme lay out one crucial, fundamental difference: those issues you have with your Western country is a result of too much sympathy and empathy, a core desire to do good in the world, one which perhaps went astray, overreached, was blind to the consequences, and had a misguided understanding of the issue, all of which I'll admit and even agree on. The issues with Russia? Those are born out of immorality, of villainy, of evil, of a sense of dominate the world and others, to inflict pain and hurt, to burn the world down with no regards to the people in it. You really want to side with the latter? C'mon. Yes, let's fix the issues in the West. The West, us, we're still the good guys though, especially compared to Russia.
>>127939040Come on now
>>127939067modern Russians don't believe in morality and see sympathy and empathy as weaknesses. They'd gladly traffic and pimp out your mother, sister, and daughter to those migrants just to make a buck, rape them afterwards on a nightly basis, and not only laugh, but genuinely see nothing wrong with it, because they're just exercising their power. Disgusting.
>>127939040>>127939062>>127939084>those issues you have with your Western country is a result of too much sympathy and empathy, a core desire to do good in the world, one which perhaps went astray, overreached, was blind to the consequences, and had a misguided understanding of the issue,Yeah no you're a fucking retard. What is happening in the UK is not due to empathy, it is active malice. there is no empathetic reason to house migrants intentionally close to schools when migrants from those nations have a track record of lusting after little girls. There is no empathetic reason to neglect the gang rape and trafficking of white english girls and not only do fuckall to lock up the bastards that did this, but arrest those who complain.I was gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not a glowie. But this is levels of retardation that no sane human would have.
>>127939032hmm let's try the Varduhi Yeritsyanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unfj3E8LjrM&list=OLAK5uy_kn9ObtpxjTDkGA0wD4gQuO0IPWZ1Piy-c&index=9
>>127939084I hear you
>>127939105>when migrants from those nations have a track record of lusting after little girls.That's racists bigoted and ignorant
>>127939040>>127939084>>127939117Get the fuck out of this thread, we hate niggers here.
>>127939040ugh
>>127939105Active malice, huh. Anyone who disagrees with you politically is doing so out of evil? It's not possible their sense of Good and what's good for the country and world merely differ from yours?I already said I agree with you on the issue. It is, however, only further evidence that the West and the people in it, politicians included (not all of them, of course), have hearts and seek to help people, in this case by giving them housing and an opportunity in a first-world, Western country. Again, I disagree with the policy, but you don't see why someone with a good heart would think this was the right thing to do? c'mon, anon, I know you're smart enough to recognize it.Whereas in Russia, the concept of 'doing good' doesn't even exist anymore, in the same way it doesn't exist for Mafias and Gangs -- 'doing good,' what's right is solely what benefits the criminal organization and maintains and grows their power. They'd laugh in your face at the thought of doing good. They only wish to dominate.but oh, they happen to be racist so they're le based and on your side. C'mon, you have to look beyond that, with a wider and deeper lens, at the whys and hows, at the fundamentals and other issues.
>>127939157>>>/bunkerchan/
>>127939157Your cuckservative stance might work on xitter, try it there. Please fuck off out of this general, though.
>>127939157Migrants are here because jews want them to be here to ruin europe. That part should be obvious.
>>127939170>>127939180kek, 'cuz I think Russia is scum? Damn, the brainwashing is deeper than I thought. Lemme put this in terms you guys can understand then: Russians are the niggers of the West. alright, back to classical.>>127939189Hey, I'm not defending migrants either. I'm just saying let's not be fooled into liking Russia. Migrants are bad. Russia is also bad.
>nu/classical/cacas try to talk about classical music challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
>>127939210I got baited, I apologize.
>>127939201>Tries to pretend to be racist after pretending that muslim migration is anything other than malicekek
>>127939215You skewed the thread off topic to begin with, kys nu/classical/caca
>>127939225>everyone who disagrees with me is evilstop being a child
>>127939235Kys jew
Has anyone here tried this set? Beethoven's String Quartets performed by the Quatuor Ysaye.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzJFZInZxEg&list=OLAK5uy_mIVqCVxHhrtAXSdsUHyUPzmfyPseVZLNE&index=1
cute cover :) can't hurt to finally give Idil Biret's WTC a try I supposehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKV87ytje-w&list=OLAK5uy_neKlLoYhehrpp3OmijEQIC8N3DJxeCm0Y&index=34>The centrepiece of the Bach collection is a 2015 recording of The Well-Tempered Clavier, the so-called old testament of piano music, a series of 48 preludes and fugues in all of the piano’s possible keys. A look at that monumental collection’s recorded history could serve as a compendium of piano performance styles through the last 120 years. Unsurprisingly, Biret conforms to none, and perhaps the best way to describe her interpretations is orchestral. As the historically informed Baroque practitioners prescribe, each prelude and fugue certainly has a distinct character, but those long lines emerge with the definition of strings, brass or winds, lush and strident by tum. Trills are mellow and exquisitely shaped, and a wealth of detail is present but never exaggerated. Biret’s Bach is a cliff wall to be scaled, a peak to be reached and an aspiration to be achieved. Prof. Marc Medwin – American University, Washington DC DUSTED Magazine (US) 2017"Unsurprisingly, Biret conforms to none, and perhaps the best way to describe her interpretations is orchestral," huh? Let's see what exactly that means. Some of Biret's recordings on Naxos are alright. Her Rachmaninoff and Brahms, among some scattered others. None first rank, but fine for a budget Naxos release, so I'm expecting something similar here. Probably enjoyable for the one listen then never again.
>>127939157Give it up girl
>>127939157>politicians included (not all of them, of course), have hearts and seek to help peopleYou're so naive.
>>127939157>>127939201Is this Mahlerkun?
>>127939494Mahlerians would never be this cringe
>>127939498True, they would be far cringer
I dreamt music
>>127938965>not liking a composer but acknowledge they are goodnonsense. if you don't like them, it means you don't think they're good, because something being perceived as good is the fucking reason people like anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rFth5EsPuQ
>>127939978>if you don't like themIt means you don't think you're good enough to appreciate it. At least, that's how intelligent, cultured people behave.
>>127939978>retard doesn't understand objectivity
>>127940017Bach was an atheist. Let alone Beethoven and BRAHMS. And probably at least 50% of the chart. Whoever made this list is stupid.
>>127940101Bach being an atheist is the most retarded possible statement you could make. Beethoven and Brahms probably were. Dunno why Redeemed Zoomer picked those
>>127940283>Bach being an atheist is the most retarded possible statement you could make.That's how it looks like on surface.
>>127933941A very based statement Anon. What are your thoughts on this profound masterpiece of early romanticism? I personally bealieve the beauty of it's complex harmony and polyrithms are the perfect vessel for the stormy and conflicted emotions it reflects, very possibly inspiring the most beautiful and german of Wagner's music.https://youtu.be/BIvWjI4PrJw?si=f_onmV3jM4mmdJ5A
>>127932898>WeberBased. My favourite composer of the classical-romantic transition period. Can't wait for someone else to have a stab at recording this on a natural horn.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD8zSo-FX5M>>127938883great album>>127938905lol I'm touched that my hasty, dumb photoshop is being posted by other people
>>127940017'Redeemed Zoomer', huhalso tier lists aren't supposed to be that top heavy!
Gulda's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBi5Sy1KcXk&list=OLAK5uy_lTU7Y20sUpDXE89qyYXe1wXCT1xufESCI&index=28Not really sure where I stand on this WTC. Some pieces I really love, some are kinda clanky and shrill. Like Gould, you get the full Gulda experience here. Lots of people hold it in very high esteem though so it's worth checking out.
>>127941359that's schizos for ya
>>127941401JUICYfeinbergyudinafischerrichterkoroliovgouldfeltsmantureckaimardguldaDRY
>>127940017religious schizophrenia is like some sorta parasite that keeps spreading
>>127940283it's a forced meme
>>127941512thankfully it's mostly an euro/anglo thing
>>127941359he's retarded enough to put Schoenberg in F because it hurts his little baby ears, what did you expect
>>127941529no that's based
>>127940014again, nonsense. that just means you're unsure of their quality. if you were SURE of their quality, that would mean you are enjoying them
>>127941478One day AI will be able to remove the hiss from those top ones. Or some talented pianist will record their version in the same way, only with modern production and clarity. Those hiss ones are fine in small doses but listening over 30 mins, it gets to be a bit much for my ears.
>>127940020>retards believes in measurable objectivity quality in musiclet me guess, you have some sort of faith too
>>127941539no, you just don't understand how this music works, but I wouldn't expect something better from a nu-channer who uses words like "based"don't bother replying, by the way! I'm over talking with retards, so I don't read replies in this site anymore, I only share what I know
>>127941553>if you were SURE of their quality, that would mean you are enjoying themWhy? I dislike pears but recorgnise they're good fruit. I don't care at all for Hitchcock but can readily say he was a great director. Reading Philip K Dick brings me no pleasure but he was objectively speaking an upstanding writer. Why would this not be true? Explain, point by point.
>>127941577I don't care if it's super advanced harmonic techniques or whatever, it sounds like ear-grating nonsensical shit.Bach was also super advanced yet his work sounds beautiful. Purposely making shit ugly music isn't clever and pretending to enjoy it doesn't make you smart.
I think I've listened to Bach's WTC like fourteen times in the past week, HELP!I will say though, once you begin to listening to some more decent-to-mediocre sets, you really begin to see just how good the great ones like Richter and Hewitt and Koroliov really are.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP6rRE-a1jE&list=OLAK5uy_mV2fKy2RwJhFxR0AoPf50U7lmDs6T78ug&index=63
>>127941620
there's nothing wrong with like OR disliking schoenbug
>>127941686shut up, you're ruining my feebly-held-together sense of superiority
>>127941553>that just means you're unsure of their quality.Nonsense. If you're unsure of their "quality", you can always make an analysis, ask people who enjoy it why they enjoy it and more last but not least, ask people who understand and play it, what makes it good. You may still not like it, but you will surely understand its quality. If you're speaking of quality, you should be more informed, which you're not.
>>127941865NOOOOOOOO, THINGS ARE GOOD BECAUSE I LIKE THEM AND IF I DON'T LIKE THEM IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOOD OTHERWISE I'D LIKE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>127941894Then I declare that all classical is shit.
>>127937510>>127938630>>127938799>>127938945>>127939056maho more like,, my whore
>>127941232
>>127941968she's actually my whore, she's my little slut that sits on my cock while i listen to Scriabin.
>>127942213that's what I said, *my* whore
>>127941232>>127942041Never listened to his music, so can't answer your question, but here's a (You).>as a pedagogueSo you're a pedagogue. If so, I have a question. What do you think about Goetschius (specifically Theory and Practice of Tone-Relations or Elementary Counterpoint)? Is it "necessary" to grasp modal counterpoint from Gradus ad Parnassum? Since that's how Haydn, Beethoven and many other composers were taught. But to me it looks outdated. I still do exercises but I'm thinking I should rather get back to Goetschius
>>127942321*HIS* relevance as a pedagogue: *I* am aware of it
>>127935735What recording is best? I'm not familiar with the Bohm Bruckner 8 discography.
>>127942388Oh. lmao. I misread that.
I want to fuck cartoon characters. I also listen exclusively to Wagner.
>>127941232>as a pedagogueso he's a fucking nonce? fuck him.
>>127942791this but Bruckner
>>127942930very clever and ingenious and original and not at all the obvious joke everyone makes on their first day on the internet; I will be keeping an eye out for your up and coming netflix special
>>127942956same thing
>>127942962Thank you for the kind words! It's always great to hear appreciation for clever humor
>>127943002He was being ironic, Netflix is well known for only having bad comedians.
>>127943015nope, i was being 100% serious
>>127943015He was being ironic; no one actually thinks that was a compliment
>>127943054hey, you're not me!
>>127943055he was being ironic, no one thinks that was a serious post
>>127943055He was being ironic, no one actually thinks he didn't know it was irony.
>>127941232>On 12 January 1782 Mozart reported to his father: "Clementi plays well, as far as execution with the right-hand goes. His greatest strength lies in his passages in 3rds. Apart from that, he has not a kreuzer's worth of taste or feeling – in short, he is a mere mechanic." In a subsequent letter he wrote: "Clementi is a charlatan, like all Italians. He marks a piece presto but plays only allegro." haha holy shit
>>127942930>>127943070>>127943061>>127943054>>127943015>>127942962>>127942979these were all me
On what levels of post-irony are we on right now
>>127943076wtf I love Mozart now
>>127943064>>127943070I was being ironic, I don't actually think anyone here is ever being sincere about anything>>127943081this is me btw
i have aids
>>127943088I've circled all the way back to pre/proto-irony. It's not good.
>>127943097that's what you get for listening to Wagner, anon
>>127943076>>127943089>Despite later attempts to portray the two as rivals, there is no evidence that their meeting was not cordial. At the time, Clementi was exploring a more virtuosic and flamboyant style, and this might explain Mozart's disparaging attitude. One of the pieces he performed was his Op. 11 toccata, a display piece full of parallel thirds. It would appear that Mozart's opinion might later have changed somewhat. As noted by Hermann Abert in his 1920 biography W. A. Mozart, the set of variations K. 500 of 1786 "includes a handful of novel pianistic effects that are foreign to Mozart's earlier style and that clearly reflect the influence of Clementi".>Mozart used the opening motif of Clementi's B-flat major sonata (Op. 24, No. 2) in his overture for The Magic Flute. It was not unusual for composers to borrow from one another, and this might be considered a compliment. Though Clementi noted in subsequent publications of his sonata that it had been written ten years before Mozart's opera—presumably to make clear who was borrowing from whom—Clementi retained an admiration for Mozart, as reflected in the large number of transcriptions he made of Mozart's music, among which is a piano solo version of the Magic Flute overture. People can be such complicated things, thankfully
>>127943097>>127943115it's straight aids
>>127943135yea wagner IS straight aids no cap fr swear 2 g
>>127943097I'm gay and not even I have aids.
>>127943102it's pseudo-ironic post-meta-modernism
>>127943148nah it's weariness
Schubert vs Schumannwho is the greater jewish composer?
>>127943159Schuberg
>>127943159Schubert is best overall, also more varied, but Schumann's highs are higher than Schubert'sThe greatest jewish composer was Alkan, unless you want to be a cunt about it and count Mendelssohn as jewish, in which case he was the greatest
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Maltempo's set of Chopin's Nocturnes, hot off the presseshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_bjp-i2MY&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=10>Maltempo explores the nature of a Chopin tradition, as handed down to us from accounts of the composer’s own playing, his instructions to his students, and then the early recordings made by renowned interpreters such as Cortot and Pugno. ‘What their recordings share is a relatively free or liberal interpretation of elements in the score that are now treated more rigidly. Their application of rubato is more subtle, their pedal technique does not cloud the sound but clarifies melodies and harmonies. They communicate a wide and infinitely varied dynamic range, and a diaphanous warmth of phrasing, without falling into mannerism or “sentimentality”.’>...Maltempo has chosen to record them on an 1888 Steinway piano, distinguished by the clarity of articulation which has always been a Steinway hallmark, but bestowing on these quintessential pieces of nocturnal poetry a softer and more rounded palette than we are accustomed to find on modern pianos. These recordings are, in the best possible sense, ‘historically informed’, without being bound either to the barline or to doctrinal notions of a ‘correct’ Chopin performance. They are, instead, as free and as personal, yet as imbued with the inner spirit of the score, as it seems the composer wished to find in his performers.>...In the field of countless existing recordings, does the pianist have something new to say? Inspired by but not imitating the great masters of the Golden Piano Age, Vincenzo Maltempo presents the Nocturnes as dramatic tone poems with a strong narrative, based on the art of rhetoric and Belcanto. As a means to the expression of his ideas, he found an 1888 Steinway grand with an exceptionally wide dynamic range and singing tone. The result is an enervating and moving journey through these eternal masterpieces!
>>127943257That piano tone combined with the acoustics is a fuckin' triphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-oVKsQHglY&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=1
>>127943257only Cortot is acceptable for Chopin, i will never listen to anyone else play Chopin, other than Chopin himself of course.
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>>127943293>other than Chopin himselfcan I get a turn with the time machine when you're done
>>127943293bro look at this madeline-ass looking dude lmao
>>127943293>>127943309i seriously do not understand why no one has taken modern recording technology back in time to record the composers themselves performing their own works in good quality, it will always astound me how this has never been done.
>>127943331bc time trabel umposibol
>listening to Chopin with TV show on mute>intense moment comes on, so pause the music and unmute the TV show>Chopin is playing in the TV showwtf blew my mind for a moment
>>127943352that's my other whore
>>127943360indeed that is *my* other whole, well said
>>127943352it's not, i've had dreams of living in tho 1800s and sometimes even 1700s.
>>127943331>this has never been done.Not yet; not in your timeline, maybe.
>>127943383>I cannot differentiate between dreams and reality, which proves time travel is possibleHey that's so cool; remember to take your pills though.
i like Scriabin
>>127943293My man.
>>127943451based
>>127943451that's my wh- my wife
what classical music reminds you of autumn?
>>127943257Anyone else like this tho
>>127943451Scriabi's Diner!
>>127943590Grieg's Lyric Pieces. Tchaikovsky's The Seasons. Some Dvorak. Some Suk. Some Vaughan Williams. Some Elgar.
>>127943590a lot of Debussy, Brahms' chamber music and some of his orchestral music, some Sibelius, Chopin's Nocturnes
>>127943546your wife is my whore, we're eskimo brothers!
>>127943699but Sxarp is not a whore
>>127943676>Brahms' chamber music100%
>>127943709not for your cucked ass maybe lol
thanks tranimesisters
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>>127932898Did Hilary Hahn ever recorded Stravinsky Violin Concerto? Seems like up her alley, but I cannot find it.Unrelated question: what's your favorite piece with the same melody being repeated in different voices (instrumental)? I mean it's in a lot of places, but I'm searching for the most pronounced, in your face examples, like Beethoven 5 with da-da-da-dum which is at some points repeated by almost every instrument in the orchestra.
