when did the obsession with authorship in music begin?truth is, the final performance is the only thing that matters. people wanna listen to a great performance from a good performer. the final package is what matters, no matter if the instruments were a.i. generatedonly two groups care about authorship:failed aritsts, cuz they spend thousands of hours making garbage no one cares aboutmusic nerd losers who jerk off to the achievements of other men, like sports fans, know more about a band's history than the band themselves and are obsessed with "how paul came up with that melody on a dream"
>>127940042imagine if bob dylan hired an actual singer to give life to his compositions?instead we get the garbage we got cuz he insisted on inserting his "singing" there
Least tryhard bait thread on /my/ be like
>>127940064noboby cares that Elvis didn't "write his songs". he's a performer.
Not true. Albums are meant to capture the best performance of a song. Human beings performing live are not robots. They should fuck up vocals. They should fuck up playing instruments.
>>127940082cope created by record labels from the tape era, cuz tape costs money and they have a budget and deadlines
>>127940042These two are the worst things to ever happen to music. Complete political hacks masquerading as genuine art critics.
>>127940042>when did the obsession with authorship in music begin?In the 19th century.
>>127940455say what?
>>127940455spbp
>>127941283that was not the second post
>>127940455Anthony and obsession with authorship?
>>127940042In the last century when black artists were demonized simply for making music which was popular with white youth.
Arts value comes from context. The backstreet of the struggling singer songwriter is very alluring, much more so than the talented hired gun.
>>127940042What is authorship
>>127943028nta but what other numbers start with the letter s
>>127943262sam hyde
>>127940042God forbid the original artists receives recognition! I can't think of legitimate reason why that would be a bad thing
>>127940053Bob Dylan is the 4chan of music, you kind of know he hates you and wants to put his songs in your ears out of spite. He spits out his lyrics like "yeah, I'm fucking singing this and you're hearing it now, fuck you."
>>127940082>They should fuck up vocals.Well that's a stupid idea. Even if they "should" fuck up and do, then they're not fucking up. So you're just saying that live performances should be unpleasant, which is retarded. Live performances can be more loose, but there's no instance where an artist should go out of their way to fuck up.
>>127944687Gorilla warfare.
>>127943241You're not a music nerd, you're a history nerd.
>>127945134this AI shill wants to be able to steal freely without pushback
>>127945241I love both, but meaning comes from more than just the performance alone.
>>127940053>>127945188people exaggerate about Bob Dylan's voice, it was alright in the studio when he was kinda young. Just avoid listening to him in any other setting.
>>127940042FUCK FANTANO
>>127940082>Human beings performing live are not robots.drum machines are not humans, they are robots
>>127940053Dylan had his songs covered all the fucking time back in the day and that continues to be the case.Even in his early days he had covers of his songs in the top 40 by the Byrds, Peter Paul and Mary, and Cher.So I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Like imagine what. It happened you’re just an idiot.
>>127940042It's very much a rockist thing that emerged primarily in the 70s, especially with the advent of punk.
>>127945134Interpretation, arrangement etc. are very much their own art forms and in no way inferior. Just look at the history of classical, jazz, blues, folk and traditional musics, as well as early pop/country/rock.
>>127949293>Interpretation, arrangement etc. are very much their own art forms and in no way inferiorWhat does that have to do with my point? Artists deserve recognition
>>127946437https://youtu.be/HMoaEPP6-_A?si=4BCJ3R1J3srNQsSq
>>127943208I was watching an interview with Khamal earlier today and he whining about racism then when he talked about his life it was just endless free tickets and at basically no point was he challenged on anything, really shit me off. It ends up becoming a weird kind of oxymoron, "actually these incredibly successful people who were democractically authored were totally the victim of racism, that's why they're millionaires and richer that 99% of the population" fuck off. I don't believe in this shit anymore
>>127940042F.D. Signifier has an I.Q. of 101.
>>127951665he would fit in quite nicely here on /mu/
Yes I agree kak Anmd
>>127951665He's a midwit of 105 IQ +/- 5 points. He loves research too much to be completely average.
>>127940042Is that the murderous nihher that stabbed that Karina Ukranian girl? I fucking hate this nigga i hope he gets shanked in jail or the death penalty
>>127953318so true dude real high iq individuals use their intelligence to shitpost on /mu/
>>127951665TRVKE>>127953318>He loves research too much to be completely averageHis "research" has him pushing for abolishing the police and being opposed to the nuclear family. He loves appearing well-researched to his gullible audience.
>>127956381You sound less intelligent or just as disingenuous as he is if I need to explain to you the difference between researching facts and presenting analyses of those facts.
>>127945253>stealretarded misdirecteed anger. AI stuff sucks because it's fundamentally soulless. The fact that it was trained on copyrighted data doesn't matter at all.
>>127956381Exactly, he's a biased researcher if anything, just looking for justifications for positions he already holds.
>>127953318>researchlmao
>>127960181>he's biasedthat's stating the obvious
>>127940042>when did the obsession with authorship in music begin?When he almost got cancelled for being an edgy 4channer and now he lives in constant fear and virtue signals the most brain dead progressive left wing politically correct takes ever.
>>127958163If your "research" consists of copying Marxist/gnostic claptrap you were too dumb to understand anyway, it doesn't count as research.
>>127963959You're implying Marxism is difficult to understand. Yikes.
>>127940042>NOOO YOU CANT JUST DERIVATIVELY USE AI TO GENERATE INSTRUMENTALSI can't help but find some irony in this given that 90% of hip hop is just stealing samples from original songs and oftentimes, I mean the majority of the time those samples tend to be the best and most musical aspect of the song. Whatever 4/4 trash beat they slap on top of that is hardly high art. Then again I hate AI and I think it's slop, but I also think the vast majority of hip hop is slop too. That's not to say there aren't artists that do know how to sample and make something genuinely good with the use of samples, like Death Grips and Madvillian
>>127963995I think ai is gay because it takes way too much of the process and touch out of the music. With samples they can make older recordings into something new with the human touch, and that's fine as long as its not some diddy shit where they basically steal the whole song.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but if you have some exceptionally qualified white guy his blurb will be like "engineer and ambient music enjoyer" but when you get a black guy its always like "poet, musician, performer, activist, writer, author, community organiser, rapper, lyricist, blogger, actor". There's no modesty and a weird desperation to big note yourself. You see this with 'authorship' and a weird desperation to claim everything. Not watching your Fantano video btw
>>127964621Anthony's not white.
>>127940042>It's the money $Discuss the Jews here:
>>127940042>when did the obsession with authorship in music begin?The obsession began when people needed to figure out who would be getting paid for their work
>>127963987Marxism IS difficult to understand. Hence why the majority of Marxist revolutionaries never bothered trying, or gave up early on. The largest "Marxist revolution" ever was a pesant-uprising-led, permanent-revolutionary, idealistic-focused movement; despite Marx being anti-peasantry, anti-idealism, and envisionative of the revolution being a transitional phase.Of course, it also doesn't work even when you DO understand it, so it's not worth the effort. But if you're gonna devote your life to it, you think you could bother understanding it first.
>>127940042Lots of musicians could play a great Prince song, virtually none could write one
