Is it just me or pop-punk sounds dated asf?Even boomer rock (Led Zepplin, Beatles, Creedence you name it) doesn't sound as dated as pop-punk
>>127946086If you think boomer stuff doesn't sound dated then you're high. It sounds like the time period it came from and only the best stuff has a timeless quality to it.
>>127946102You think Abbey Road sounds more dated than Enema?
>>127946132I get what you're saying. Enema sounds dated and sounds very late 90s early 00s. Abbey road has a timeless sound because it is the fucking beatles. You listen to their very early material and it sounds like the british invasion sound they were apart of. Listen to anything from the 70s that isn't one of these classic boomer bands in their apex prime and you get cheesy tunes. https://youtu.be/ZhIsAZO5gl0https://youtu.be/1k8craCGpgsThese sound like the time they came from
>>127946189both sound more timeless than any pop punk for me idk
Early Descendents is good because it's tight, catchy, and efficient punk rock with a variety of elements; hardcore punk, pop, skate punk and melodic hardcore, etc. Maybe if "pop punk" stopped being punk-pop it wouldn't be so irritatingly adolescent.
>>127946086It's because pop punk revolves heavily around youth subcultures that either don't exist anymore or are nearly nonexistent due to the decline of the nuclear family in suburban America.
>>127946086The problem is those albums suck ass and some aren't even punk
>>127946495great point
>>127946086Complete bs, all 70s, and 80, music sounds much more dated. You're either a shallow pretentious moron, "muh beatles, Led Zeppelin" next you gonna talk about Pink Floyd, Radiohead and kendrick (also, I was Made For Loving You/Don't Stop Believing ? kek, is entry level stuff all you know ?) or just have bad music taste.
>>127946086The Beatles sound dated too youre just blinded by reverence
>>127946213>t.
That's because pop punk had no musicianship worth anything and no cultural significance, it wasn't timeless just lame corporate product for late 90s middle schoolers.
>>127946086Its kino you just have to get in the Rawr XD vibe. Browse some old websites like NewGrounds and play old Flash games like Dragon Fable, Dad n Me or Madness Interactive while blasting Paramore.
>>127946086mogged by dance punk
Because real punk has returned and its run by disabled senior citizens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZbDiN0Aao4
>>127953687classic
>>127946086>Sum 41 3 times>Not a single album from the GOAT pop punk band, Alkaline TrioShit list
>>127946558>he thinks pop punk is punkGoddamn you're retarded. Punk is objectively and intentionally shitty. Pop punk introduces actual songwriting, talent and competency.
>>127946086https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogjtm7nFSsU
does anyone else think blink 182's singer sounds really really punchable?
>>127956265Yeah, but in retrospect, it's still miles better than most new stuff. They wrote some good melodies.
>>127946086you need to fuck with punk-pop faggot. shit like descendents. obviously 2000's pop-punk is mostly middle school bullshit. screeching weasel the queers the ergs. ramonescore. gitgood, faggot.
>>127954361And here I sat thinking I was the only one on this board with proper taste
>>127954428No
>>127946086Most of these albums has rather simplistic song writing and mediocre production. They sound dated because they kind of are. I think generally speaking 2010s has set a higher bar in many genres including guitar music. If I had to pick ONE ALBUM I'd take this over any pop punk album of 90s/00s despite the nostalgia. It just aligns a lot more with my elevated taste formed over decades of listening music and "Dark days" is still one of my favorite comfort food songs. Average music enthusiast probably feels about the same when it comes to a lot of music from the past.
>>127957030Yes they suck. Just elementary chords behind a huge vocal melody. Actual musicianship was minimal in most cases.
The GOAT pop punk bands:1-Green Day - the ultimate band in terms of ATK and DEF: long discography (all bangers until 2009), high ambition (experimental since Nimrod), iconic songs (tremendous singles in every album up to Idiot).2-Alkaline Trio - they lost their steam around Good Mourning (sucky album with a lot of mid songs), but their material from 1997 up to 2002 is untouchable. The AK3 / HWM Split is probably the best EP in the genre.3-Screeching Weasel - no bad albums from what I've heard (everything up to '96). Some of the best lyrics in punk overall (The Science of Myth).4-the unlovables - not a bad song by these guys; honestly might be even better than Weasel, but I think 4 is a good place for them. Crush / Boyfriend / Heartbreak is probably the second best pop punk LP after American Idiot, and I think they would be the best pop punk band of all time had they released more material.5-New Found Glory - one of the most consistent bands of the genre; you can pop any CD of theirs and you know it will have at least a few decent songs. Catalyst is one of the best pop punk albums of the "silver age" of pop punk, and I always loved the proto-easycore breakdowns in many of their songs. True innovators.
>>127957353MCR, Paramore, Brand New, and Pierce The Veil, completely MOG the ones you listed, making them seem talentless in comparison. Both MCR (2) and Brand New (1) have albums widely considered to be amongst the top 500 greatest of all time, the ones you listed wouldn't appear even in the top 5000.
>>127957353>unlovablesBased. The thing I don't like about punk is how even basic punk bands all try to out punk each other in terms heaviness. Punk bands are trying to be hardcore punk lite. Hardcore bands are trying to be metal lite. The unlovables kept it basic while not being uninspired and ramones ripoffs. No d beats, no attempt at being a hardcore punk band with melodies, just pure ramones pop punk, blink 182 harmonies and hooks, with female vocals. 10/10 pop punk album. Front to back, no skips.
>>127957030Thats a shit pick but youre right. You shpuld be going with a Jeff album.
>asf The minute each of you read this you should’ve immediately written OP off as a retarded broccolihead and never replied. Shame on all of you.
>>127953509None of these bands are Rawwwrr xD except for MCR and ATL>>127946086"Boomer rock" will never sound dated because it is timeless and original you fucking buffoon.
>>127957399>MCRNot really even a pop punk band; their only really pop punk album was 3 Cheers, and still, it was really more of an emo-pop LP anyway.>ParamoreOnly 2 pop punk records in AWK and Riot, and both albums are not that great when compared to the bands I listed. Fences is a terrible song.>Brand NewOnly one pop punk record, which I'll admit to being great, but still, one record doesn't make a pop punk band.>PTVNever listened to them.>Le top 500Don't care; it's my opinion, not RYM's.>>127957414I like that ultra hardcore tough guy-core, though. There's even some BDPcore bands out there like Circe that I think are pretty damn awesome on the feminine spectrum of tough girl hardcore!Btw, the unlovables did have one melodic hardcore song in the style of Lifetime or early Saves the Day. It's actually one of my faves by them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U3ZzpIPH9U
>>127957503Tough guy hardcore or bands like hatebreed are good too. Different styles and different sounds. I think I like my pop punk to be more traditionalist than melodic hardcore lite, but that is just my pet peeve and me bitching, it is all good stuff. That unlovables album is a 10, no skips, front to back. It doesn't get any more pop punk than that
>>127957552Oh yeah, I love Hatebreed man. Got all their classic albums as vinyl rips except for Perseverance, which is my favorite. I'll eventually buy it.
Pop punk was pure sincerity as gay as it is. They loved their friends and wanted to see their past gfs get cucked and their current bfs beat down. Just doesn't match with today
Simple Plan are physically disgusting to listen to.
>>127958327Their first album was actually very good; they suck BBC from their second onwards.
Pic related easily mogs most of the shit on your pic and honestly feels like something put together by a zoomer who gets his taste from Barnes & Noblehttps://youtu.be/2ESxguJv9Ak?si=oBNhEka6tjAGMlYx
Who /silverstein/ here?(They’re more post-hardcore but still)
>>127946086No offense but if these albums are your only exposure to pop punk then it's 100% going to sound dated, unless this was just a random chart you found. There's some good ones in there imo like Weasel but 90% of theses album's are universally agreed to be dated.
>>127958527Their 2nd album is one of the very few albums I'd dare to call a 10/10, it's on par with MCR stuff. The album This Is How the Wind Shifts is amazing too, very underrated band, hopefully they'll get more recognition one day.
>>127959353Dated ? the fuck are you on about ?, both TBP and Revenge are the highest ranked "emo/post-hardcore" albums, in the top 500 both on AOTY and RYM, and many other music sites too. This is a U problem.
>>127958527I am; I even have WBIEF on vinyl. Underrated album; the skramz / midwest emo elements make it my favorite amongst their (quite solid) discography.
>>127959392"Highest ranked on both aoty rym" Firsts of all that is two albums, second of all websites like AOTY probably has a generous maximum of a million users, this genuinely means absolutely nothing, it's a niche internet website that your average person who actually used to listen to this kind of music back when it came out has probably never heard of. Please stop assuming the entire world's population rates music online.
>>127959504Also forgot to note, DATED does not mean bad. I love some of these album's but the lyrics are totally dated.
>NME listed the album as one of "20 Emo Albums That Have Resolutely Stood the Test of Time". The album was ranked at number 260 on Spin's "The 300 Best Albums of the Past 30 Years (1985–2014)" list. Rock Sound wrote that the album is "an era-defining release", striking "a nerve both musically and emotionally with millions around the world. In 2016,Rolling StonedeclaredThree Cheers for Sweet Revengethe tenth greatest emo album out of 40.
>>127946086I don't think Sum 41's Chuck should be on that list
>>127957428Quiet baby..mmm.. *starts feeling you up n raping you* you feel my cock bulging,hmm? fuck..ungh…*slips my cock into your ass* gurgh..Gurgoh..
>>127960824nor should A Fever You Can't Sweat Outthe thread's premise is incongruent with its image and the whole thing is a waste of time
>>127959773>NME>Rock Sound>Rolling StoneMusic critics are worthless and they're completely wrong. Not even in the top 50. Fuck off.
>>127963409Pierce the Veil either. OP is a fucking fag who can't tell genres apart.
>>127959392you get your opinions out of internet databases. no true grasp on music and the outside world. shit is dated. mcr after their first album are as dated as expired milk.
>>127958327I'm Just A Kid sounded dated when it was released.
>>127946086investigate fauci for crimes against humanity and covering up murdersactual joker
>>127958468Lmao
>>127957414>i don't like pop-punk bands having a punk aspect>i'd rather have twee indie bullshittry doing some exercise and the hardcore-leaning stuff will feel better.
>>127946086I think you should shut the fuck up and never voice your opinions ever.
>>127964082>thinks punk is an image and not an ethosPut down the weights and pick up a book
>>1279573531. By far Green Day2. The Offspring. Great surf guitar solos, catchy/humorous songs with a unique sound palette. Smash is excellent and super energetic. Americana is also excellent while being more emotional.3. My Chemical Romance. Stands above all other mall emo acts, super heavy riffs mixed in too.4. Sum 41. Goofy hard rock with that turn if the Millennium attitude. Aged far better than one would expect5. Blink-182. Great singles all day
The beatles are different. They touched onto something special. I love boomer 70s rock but if you compare bands like Heart, Foghat, Grand Funk Railroad, or ELO to the Beatles they seem dated in comparison even while being years newer.
>>127964349i actually read and work out. i just want pop-punk that is inspired by and sounds like punk.>muh ethosit needs to sound like punk, tho.
>>127957417My bands old drummer is named Jeff and he loves Blink 182
>>127951417Im not a huge fan of it but to say it had no cultural relevance is objectively wrong
>>127946086Descendents and Buzzcocks don't deserve to be in there but otherwise yeah
>>127964625Punk sucks dick though
>>127964082I don't like indie, not the majority of it because it is not for me. I like pop punk to be traditionalist ramones punk, not watered down and aging hardcore bands. Melodic hardcore is its own thing and I like it, stuff like bad religion and rise against. I am talking about punk bands trying to be hardcore lite, hardcore bands trying to be metal lite in terms of heaviness. Not everything has to be heavy. Pop punk is meant to be cheesy and poppy, not hatebreed with melodies. Different strokes for different folks. The music is what matters and the songs are either good or they aren't
>>127946086Agreed, except for FOB
Anyone know of any other melancholic pop punk like this? Not too fast, not too corny, not too influenced by emo. https://youtu.be/cR3wJJB64QU
>>127967581>not too cornybad news for you
>>127967581This doesn't even sound melancholic
>>127963632ADTR is easily better than shit like MCR and The Offspring but I guess since Fantano hasn’t gone over that yet you just hand wave it
>>127970342this >>127958468 is some of the most stock shit I've ever heard, I Brought You My Bullets is a god to this maggot of a trackplease gain taste you pathetic contrarian
>>127970387>Paramore>Pierce the Veil>21st century breakdownMy god you don’t even have the self awareness to realize all this dogshit you’re defending and calling me a contrarian you tiktok fried bozo
>>127970434I'm not the same guy and my post had nothing to do with those bands.
>>127970452I still stand by the statement that it is better than those five bands, along with the other Barnes & Noble tier shit like P!ATD and FOB
>>127970469ALSO you're seriously critiquing a pop punk track for having a pop structure and calling it "stock" like nobody listens to this kind of shit to hear avant garde song writing, xir.
>>127970469>better than>P!ATDabsolutely not>FOBI would not endorse any particular album, but selected tracks also are superior to what you posted, although feel free to submit your best contender>>127970491>ALSO you're seriously critiquing a pop punk track for having a pop structure and calling it "stock"no I'm calling it stock because unlike Fallout Boy and Panic! At The Disco and My Chemical Romance, it sounds like tons of other shit in a totally uninspired, undifferentiable, derivative way.
>>127963430True. People on this board seem to have an issue with good music, half want you to only like the most obscure boring garbage they can find (just look at the charts threads; obscure acoustic/jazz albums from the 70s, obscure albums with ugly/defaced covers etc... I've listened to them already : bottom of the barrel stuff) while the other half is busy posting k-pop/taylor swift, fuck them both.
>>127970528this is what I expected you to say>it sounds like tons of other shitPost twenty tracks that sound exactly that.
>>127970532I think we here on /mu/ have gotten deadly sick of the blatant principled contrarians pushing garbageby next year we'll all be at the point of telling them to kill themselves immediately on sight
>>127970559Exactly like that*I mean, it should be easy if there are tons. I don't think twenty is asking for too many...
>>127946086The problem with pop-punk is that it sucks, not because it's obsolete. Music has no sense of expiration date -- it ain't no food.
>>127954428Only guy who gets it.The amount of pretentious normie or jazz fag drummers who think they’d ever be able to do what Travis does is hilarious.>Speed, Precision, Creativity, StaminaBlink 182 is literally the IQ bell curve.
>>127954428>>127970939The original anon has a point because ramones stuff was just rock and roll but played in the simplest way possiblePunk inspired shitty musicians to pick up a guitar because they saw the ramones and thought to themselves "Hey, I can do that". The sex pistols actually had songs. They weren't just chaotic chords all over the place like later punk. Blink 182 could barely play their instruments but working with big time producers and getting the backing of a major label, the label wanted a return on their investment so they had to squeeze every bit of commercial songwriting out of Blink. Actual pop punk is still dogshit and I like pop punk, but there is no shortage of crappy pop punk musicians in bands who can barely play their instruments. Travis is one of the best punk drummers to ever do it but if you listen to tom and mark, they both suck individually as musicians https://youtu.be/bnHM0Vqj-d0
>>127971067Would I rather listen to sloppy musicians or music that has actual songs?>hardcore - sloppy 50% of the time, no real song structure (literally not music)>punk - shit/ mediocre playing, sometimes a memorable song & not just noise>pop punk - mostly technically proficient playing literally with the exception of tom delonge and warped tour bands who never hit the mainstream BUT actual Beatles formulaic songs that HIT everytime. (Timeless bangers)A lot of absolute shit but that’s the punk ethos for you. You can’t win em all.Still going with pop punk though.
>>127966107those first 4 albums man. fucking masterpieces each and every one of them. constantly switching between which one i'd call my favorite but right now i'd say it's take this to your grave.
>>127972215Infinity On High isn't that good and Folie a Deux sucks.
>>127970603It has its value, but it's noticeable that it screams the time it's from, unlike the best of boomer rock
>>127958527I've seen them probably 10 times in my life because I'm from southern ontario, and I think a lot of their music aged well and never got the recognition it deserved
>>127946086What a normie take. If you cant enjoy Blink-182, early Fall Out Boy, or MCR you're either too young or trying to hard. Or both.
>>127975593yeah i'd agree, they both have really good songs but I really wouldn't listen to the full album start to finish again unlike TTTYG and FUTC
>>127971363Most modern 'hardcore' is just metal and is very competently played, though whether it is music is debatable. Billie Joe Armstrong is one of the biggest name musicians in pop-punk history and he's a dogshit guitarist.
>>127977414https://youtu.be/PjsHkC3h92s?si=7D_8Mr7W-_ULURYA
>>127977145Yours *IS* the normie take.
>>127970939They are the greatest to ever do it in their genre
>>127972215Infinity has 4 good songs. Folie sucks ass. Cork tree is good but TTTYG is their only real masterpiece.
>>127977414"Dogshit guitarist" is crazy.Could he actually play any cleaner?Lmao I had bullet in a bible on dvd and watched that shit atleast 20+ times. Nothing about billie joe or green day is playing is sloppy...I'd even argue that the exact reason green day secretly hated blink is because in comparison to billy and mike tom and mark were 5x more sloppy on musicianship while still being able to reach the same success level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPLvBO_2Gn0&list=PLjBrLKHO1JwuEhhTWJsZIj2HbrHOQZHnW&index=2
