Schubert edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUk1Xf3_QU&list=OLAK5uy_kbXsw1Qvj7Qx8Lif7KmEqkKjdHtmWZFA8&index=1This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127912804
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>>127955241Why do instruments have different names? Violin, piano, clarinet, fucking triangle and organ, what's all that about? Just use the same name for everything, gosh
>>127955338Huh, not sure if I've heard that Schubert piece before... and it's Tharaud and Zhu Xiao-Mei together!? Nice. Added and listening.
>>127955338sure wish he had done a bit more for the arpeggionehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gVmV9rk8BE
For a time, I thought piano quartet meant string quartet + piano, and not string trio + piano
>>127955412that'd be a pianoed quartet
Whaddy'all make of Clementi? I know he's an important influence on better remembered composers (from Beethoven and Hummel to Chopin and Moscheles to name a few) and I'm aware of his relevance as a pedagogue (Gradus Ad Parnassum and what not), but of his own music I've heard (and heard *of*) very little.Was he particularly good as a composer? Would you consider him an essential classical composer along with the likes of C.P.E./J.C. Bach, Salieri, Haydn, Mozart, etc?
>>127955338>Previous: >>127912804That's not the previous thread, bud
>>127955338>>127955899Previous: >>127943973
>>127955940Too late now, yon sin is did
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>>127955874>I'm aware of his relevance as a pedagogueWas he on the Epstein list?
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>>127956070My god. Did his eye fell off?
>>127956086(/:^▪)
Album recommendations, preferably from a mix of composers (as opposed to albums with various works of a single composer) like Volodos in Viena, Volodo's Piano Transcriptins, Kissin's The New York concert, Lugansky & Repin Violin Sonatas etc
going on a marathon listen of this cycle13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdcB_HQvSws&list=OLAK5uy_k0VIAgEwwx-CyyOfJ7j_wXbZt7wBS-07c&index=214 (moonlight fugg :DDD)www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIpREJjdtZE&list=OLAK5uy_k0VIAgEwwx-CyyOfJ7j_wXbZt7wBS-07c&index=515https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw_-VFfJ14w&list=OLAK5uy_k0VIAgEwwx-CyyOfJ7j_wXbZt7wBS-07c&index=916https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTvVMn4wa4Y&list=OLAK5uy_k0VIAgEwwx-CyyOfJ7j_wXbZt7wBS-07c&index=1317https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDF0TB-EYC4&list=OLAK5uy_k0VIAgEwwx-CyyOfJ7j_wXbZt7wBS-07c&index=1618https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZMhYb7YGG4&list=OLAK5uy_k0VIAgEwwx-CyyOfJ7j_wXbZt7wBS-07c&index=1919https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umhe8csNERA&list=OLAK5uy_k0VIAgEwwx-CyyOfJ7j_wXbZt7wBS-07c&index=22
>>127956324>be me, ebin :DDD>buy complete bicycle of beethobin's piano subnatas, whatever one in bargain bin for lowest markkkka>listen to first movement of moonlight (bery ebotional :DDD) x5 in a row>change back to sibeliusjajaja :DDD
>>127956359saatana :D
chopin's nocturnes is just 21 variations of the adagio of beethoven's moonlight, prove me wrong
>>127956432prove yourself right
>>127956451Damn, well played
>>127956359This reminds me of YouTube videos I've seen which are one hour of the first movement of Beethoven's Moonlight or the opening prelude of Bach's first cello suite on repeat. I guess it's still listening to classical...
>>127956533>it's still listening to classicalReading the first word of a book over and over again is not reading the book
>>127956558kek, it's more like the first chapter or first stanza of a poem, but I get your point, just tryna' be charitable
>>127956565Don't be. Those people don't deserve help or pity.
Bartókhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZqXVhePy-Y
After several days, I finally reached the last piece. My listening paused several times throughout the week. In the future, I'll try to listen to at least one complete symphony at a time.
>>127956930And? How was it? Too, uh, 'modern' for you? Beethoven might as well be Andy Warhol? lol
>>127956558"actually it is still reading a book, just not the whole book, also this isn't really comparable to begin with, "classical" is a type of music, not a specific piece or work, so even listening to 1 millisecond of Beethoven's Grosse Fugue would still be listening to Classical, technically" - is what i would say if i was an annoying retard.
>>127957000>Andy Warholis that le banana album meme guy?
>>127957078Fine, then it's being perpetually stuck in the state of starting something, never progressing, never experiencing a significant portion of it. If one gets stuck at 1 when counting to infinity, one for all intents and purposes is stuck at 0. What matters is not being in a state of listening to reading, but rather being in a state of having listened or read to. Anything less is an incomplete experience, and a null and void one.
what is objectively the best recording of Brahms Piano Quartets?
>>127957132Pardon the rush:>in a state of listening to or* reading>in a state of having listened to* or read>>127957124That's what you know him for? Yeah
>>127957144Ignore all posts but this.
>>127957146>That's what you know him for?yeah and the soup cans.
>>127957169That's more reasonsable
>>127957166is this better than Domus?
>>127957184It is objectively the best recording of Brahms Piano Quartets.
>>127957195which one, domus or the brilliant classics one?
>>127957166extremely boring performances
>>127957144If I can only have one, the Domus set
>>127957202Was the question about the Brilliant or about the Domus? Think before you post.>>127957211Objectively wrong opinion.
>>127957217wait, are you talking to me like that? do you even know who i am? if only you knew who you are talking to right now...
>>127957253based schizo
>>127957144when in doubt, Beaux Arts
>>127957273No doubts here though >>127957166
>>127957124the four square Marilyn Munroe guy
>>127957273also boring
>>127957368You and your opinions are boring and inconsequential
>>127957400your pussy is boring and loose
>>127957412What, wench! Mine own pussy poppeth sev'rely and thine own does doth not, wherefore thou art fierce anger'd!
Why does it have to be SO SHORThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_zjUWgPAwk
>>127957000>And? How was it? Too, uh, 'modern' for you?Sounds very "surround" but lacks the intimate touch that I'm very fond of in older music. But I like Beethoven very much.
>>127957703>Steven Osbornelove him
>>127957786Glad to hear. Now listen to Karajan and join the big boys.
And now some works that I was unable to listen to back in December. Berlioz' L'Enfance du Christ.
>>127957786Also if you like intimacy, surprised you don't listen to more chamber music and solo piano.>>127957855Nice, hope you enjoy. Maybe you'll like Berlioz's Romeo et Juliet too.
>>127957855Not starting that great desu
>>127957866I do like chamber music a lot. Piano so so. Piano tend to feel lonely rather than intimate.
>>127957913>Piano tend to feel lonely rather than intimatenow THAT'S a take
>>127957913Ah fair enough.
>>127957913>Piano tend to feel lonely rather than intimate.
>>127957975no it's really not
>>127957866>surprised you don't listen to more chamber musicsurprised? i don't understand, how do you know he doesn't?
>>127958398Why?
>>127958434it's not a fair opinion, it's nonsense.
am I the only one who thinks Gulda's WTC sounds like it was recorded on an NES?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OnDAnzbZSQ&list=OLAK5uy_lTU7Y20sUpDXE89qyYXe1wXCT1xufESCI&index=35I could imagine fighting a Megaman boss to this
>>127958428They almost exclusively listen to early sacred choral music.
>>127958451fair enough
>>127958467:p
>listen to 15 minutes of a recording>hmm, actually, let's try this other one instead>want the full experience, so start from the beginning again>listen to 15 minutes of new recording>hmm, no actually, let's listen to this other one, this'll be the answer>want the full experience, so start from the beginning again>listen to 15 minutes of the even newer recording>yknow, I'm kinda sick of this piece for the day, let's listen to something elsemany such cases, fuck me
>>127958551>start from the beginning againAlso me
(classical) music for this nightly feel?
>>127958551Thats how Schubert' Winterreise first "song" is ingrained in my brain.
>>127958621I don't think I've had less of an emotional response/feel to an image before.
>>127958667So, Stravinski
>When the seven-year-old Hummel auditioned, Mozart was so astounded by his ability that he not only agreed to teach him but did so free of charge and had the boy live in the Mozart household for two years.was mozart a pedagogue?
>>127958621kill yourself, gook.
>>127958856he's at a restaurant bruh
best Beethoven Violin Sonata cycle?
>fascination with teenage girls, specifically, with marrying onewas Bruckner a based Hebegogue?
>>127958905Grumiaux/Haskil
>>127958947ephebased
>>127958905Oïstrakh/Oborin
Lets close the day with pic
>>127960359I'll close your mouth with my dick
>>127960371Mad bot
>>127960491Your mouth is next, babygirl
>>127958660Winterreise is kino thoughever and unskippable
Chopin - Schizophrenia no.4
>>127958621LED lighting is a blight upon society.
Jackie Chan just kicked some ass at the Chopin competition
>>127962222>zhang>zhong>zeninChinese are so creative. Which one's Jack?
>>127958905Ferras/Barbizet
>>127962398Jacky ZhangZenin is russian
>>127958905my current top 3Capucon/BraleyKavakos/PacePerlman/Ashkenazyfug all those old ass cycles
>>127958791Clever
>>127960359didn't know organ concertos were a thing
I am a pedagogue too, in minecraft.
>>127962813you removed the cleverness
>>127962817I teach music box concertoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUXMCtBmjLU
its genuinely interesting to hear Bruckner's own arrangement of this movement. It's so much more stripped down compared to other piano transcriptions. His transcription is the only one that actually feels like a real piano piece rather than a overly virtuosic clusterfuck trying to capture everything by some no-name who thinks he can write the next liszt-beethoven cycle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zVQvvvX9pU
>>127962398I mean chinese is honestly quite simple of a language overall. When you take away the retarded hieroglyphic writing system, it's really basic. There's no articles to speak of so saying>I am going to eat a chickenbecomes>Wǒ huì qù chī yì zhī jī.or>Me will go eat singular chicken
>>127963026This is going to be interesting, thanks for sharing.
>>127963026Speaking of liszt-beethoven, is there any recording of his cycle on an upright piano? It feels a bit wrong to hear it on a concert grand (Sure it was probably played in concert, but it was likely also performed in private venues that didn't have concert grands laying around.
>>127963067>Me will go eat singular chickenMe when I'm hungry and listening to Stravinsky
>>127962831Man minecraft noteblocks sound so shit, literally worse than microsoft's basic MIDI soundfont
Who we rooting for in the Chopin Competition, bros? Who are /ourguys/ and who are we rooting against?
>>127963091That's so stupid. Great pianists, especially those who can play Liszt, own multiple grand pianos. Even that aside, it's hilarious.
>>127963113Obviously great pianists did, but what about the amateur that bought the score to play one of the adagios at a family gathering? That was a common way some people heard beethoven.
>>127963109I'm not paying that much attention to performers/names, and they sound too similar anyway. What I heard was okay, same problems as with modern interpreters: too little polyphony (due to performance, not composition), lack of bel canto, etc. And it's giving me fatigue for some reason, I prefer listening to recordings at my own pace. >>127963135It's still senseless, but good luck finding such recording.
>>127963171>It's still senseless, but good luck finding such recording.Well, I generally like listening to music in contexts that I might have heard them myself at that time. My family were a bunch of farmers in that time, probably the only time I'd hear secular works like that at the time would be in an amateur context.
>>127963109so far I liked Jackie Chan and the Jap girl in the dressI wonder how the Poles will do. any thoughts on the performances so far?
>>127956324>“Beethoven was the most romantic of composers,” says Rudolf Buchbinder, thrusting a score at me to demonstrate exactly how and why. “Just look: nobody else wrote ‘a tempo’ after ‘espressivo’. When Beethoven wrote ‘espressivo’ – which he did a lot – he meant something deeply emotional, something extreme, something that would stop time as we know it.” This might sound like the minutiae of technical lexicon, but for the 68-year-old Austrian pianist it is much more than that. He plays me a few bars of Beethoven’s Sonata in E, Opus 109, pulling the pulse and dynamics around like a badly warped record.“You hear? That is romantic freedom.”This is a good summation of Buchbinder's interpretive approach to Beethoven. It's not ponderous, sentimental romanticism in the same vein as Barenboim, but stormy and bombastic. Beethoven played more like Brahms than Mozart. I dig it.
Ashkenazy's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTI0TY_Rc4&list=OLAK5uy_lfVNF5I3_646ocrdnJfOcCOgLnX_xwOog&index=89
Late Beethoven is romantic. It has more to do with Liszt, Chopin, Schumann than Mozart and Haydn.
>>127963376>There’s a clue here as to Buchbinder’s particular – some would say peculiar – take on matters surrounding period performance and musical authenticity. He once owned a collection of historical instruments that included Mozart’s own piano, but today the snooker table takes up that space and he only performs on modern instruments. He is fastidious about accurate editions, tempo markings, articulation styles, yet for some listeners his interpretations are too erratic and explosive for comfort.>Where does he draw the line? “Ah,” he says. “Beethoven was unhappy his whole life about the pianos he played but he still wrote horribly difficult things. Can you imagine what he would have written on a piano like this?” He pats his Steinway and reaches for another manuscript. “See here, how Beethoven writes ‘contra e’ in his Opus 101 sonata. It’s a note so low that it didn’t even exist yet in Vienna, but he had heard that in London there was a piano with that low E. He wrote it in for the future. Of course he would have wanted us to play modern pianos to their full extremes.”holy basedhttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/aug/06/rudolf-buchbinder-beethoven-32-piano-sonatas-edinburghreally entertaining article, well worth the read
>>127963443Of course. I was talking interpretively though, from the performance angle.classical end of the spectrumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY86Vb19W9Y&list=OLAK5uy_lx60QvIaU6orQRORgzptS0AGzjg5whbDE&index=98romantic (chopinesque) end of the spectrumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PJPkLSkio&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=97
>>127962793boring
>>127963532hey! :(Would it help it if I swapped out the Perlman/Ashkenazy for Mutter/Orkis? Surely no one can denounce that cycle as boring.
>>127963442I really like Ashkenazy, and I really wanted to like this cycle, but I and my ears find this set incredibly dull. It's one of those worst-of-all-worlds middleground. Plus it's too fast. Sub 4 hours WTC? into the trash it goes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrmYlcevYJ0dam dam da dam dam :)
now playingstart of Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 55 "Eroica"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9vfZWHe_s8&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=6start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 in C Minor, Op. 67https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVm01c9SBYk&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=18start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 6 in F Major, Op. 68 "Pastoral"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGCe2Yx7fxA&list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ&index=21https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kZSWihYITz0xdD9NoyLkYGZuIOCKegvYQ>'Herbert Blomstedt's Beethoven cycle with the Staatskapelle Dresden is one of the great ones, as much for the magnificent playing of this finest of all German orchestras as for Blomstedt's effortlessly musical interpretations. ' 10/10 for artistic quality and sound quality. David Hurwitz, Classics Today.com.trivial yet strange coincidence if not conspiracy, for some reason both YouTube Music and Amazon took down elements of the release of this cycle on the Brilliant Classics label with the superior and iconic 'IX' album cover: it's removed entirely on YM, leaving this Berlin Classics version and a different Brilliant Classics release on their budget QUINTESSENCE series with the ugly, cheap, and uniform album covers, and on Amazon they removed the iconic album cover and instead have a duplicate picture of the back of the case lol, wtf is that. It's like something out of a Pynchon novel. We'll see if it goes full Pynchonesque if it ends up being a clue to a nefarious plot planned by an underground shadow group. Anyway -- back to the music...
>>127963818the superior, iconic album art in question, looks so good. You see this album art and you instinctively know this cycle is surely one of the greats. Weird.
>>127963854>so goodIt's just bunch of letters
>>127963906arranged in a tasteful, aesthetic way tho
>>127963929You can arrange colors and shapes in an aesthetic way, and it will be more beautiful.
>>127963962aw thanks :3
>>127963972Actually good album cover for Beethoven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym5GP4I86ac
>>127963854Are the letters made of honey?
>>127963973Not bad but I've never been big on that Sony Essential Classics template.>>127964113Trumpian Gold.
you WILL listen to the first book of Liszt's Annees de pelerinage, Suissehttps://youtu.be/q5rGB3VOHZ4?si=CJ1bIhWyrgKikEfw&t=28
Just came across an Amazon community review for a recording where the user admits to just copy+pasting what an AI said, it's so over.>Grok, explain this artrip civilization and humanity
>>127964355The craziest thing is that these people really think that their AI generated answer is something people will find useful or insightful
>>127964355>reading reviews>it's not even written by Schumann
>>127962398>creativeDid you come up with your own name?
>>127963067chinese would be based if it wasn't a fucking tonal language
>>127963929they're litterally just *there*
>>127964355that's what you get for a) reading reviews b) on Amazon. It's not civilization that's dying, it's your grey matter.
>>127964844It's actually both.
>>127964863We have plenty of evidence for the latter. The former? I'm afraid we'll be swarmed with whiny pissy opinions if we were to ask you for them.
>>127964355>>127964844There have always been people as lazy as this. Think back to that one review of Brahms' clarinet quintet when it was first performed where the critic didn't even listen to the piece and assumed from the title that it was a literal quintet of clarinets and just wrote>pretty good, bit strange to hear 5 clarinets at onceLet's not pretend this guy wouldn't use GPT for his review now.
>>127964913He will, now that he's set the record straight about him being better than them by complaining about it. Kind of like politicians trying to get homos killed only to get caught red-handed sucking cock in a gay club. Also Maho more like my whore.
>>127964931>Kind of like politicians trying to get homos killed only to get caught red-handed sucking cock in a gay clubI rarely see a politician say that gays should be killed, just not allowed to teach children about gay sex in schools, which is a perfectly fine thing to want.
>>127964913>>127964931Oh wait the last sentence applies to the Brahms reviewer; soz. I'm sleep deprived. There's been construction going on next door, right against my bedroom wall.
>>127964950>rarelyIt should happen not at all.>perfectly fine thing to want.Sure, keeping sex-ed out of school has never done anyone anything but good.
>>127964969only the sith deal in absolutes
>>127964997nice hollowwoodslop popcorncore reference, very clever and endearing of you
>>127964913>>pretty good, bit strange to hear 5 clarinets at once
>>127964969but mmuh tr00 murkan kristen morels dudebro
>>127964969>Sure, keeping sex-ed out of school has never done anyone anything but good....yes? It's the parent's responsibility to teach a kid about sex, not a school. I've had sex ed as a kid and can most charitably describe it as useless as everyone already knew everything taught in those lessons by their parents, so most of it was just the kids being forced to watch propaganda shit where they interview trannies and homosexuals and try to convince children to like them (I do really want to emphasize that part, it wasn't "gay people exist" as the proponents of this so badly want you to believe, it genuinely is just "homosexuals are normal and you should like them, here's how they have sex") with teachers nagging any kid who went "ewwwwww" at descriptions of gay sex by pausing the video and going on a elongated speech about how it's totally normal to be gay. IIRC they spent more time on gay sex than straight sex despite nobody in the fucking class being gay.So after being forced to sit through that as a kid, excuse me for thinking the entire concept is fucking retarded.
>>127965087Leave it to an animetranny to know fuckall about education
>>127965087>it's totally normal to be gayit is
>>127965087That's horrible. I never imagined it was that bad. Although shit that homosexuals have to go through in homophobic countries is no better.
>>127965117yeah they have it pretty bad in the you ass ey
>>127965124In the US they have it the best. Think about eastern Europe, Iran
>>127965117getting stoned is slightly worse than having to listen to cringy sex ed classes, yes
>>127965139They have it the best in western/northern Europe, particularly Spain/Portugal, but I will think of eastern Europe and Iran, since it's preferable to thinking about the ew ass oy
>>127965157b-but muuh gay agenda
>>127965101I mean, I am describing the exact education I went through as a zoomer who actually expierenced this type of sex ed when it was first being seeped into schools. You don't need an education degree to know that something was completely useless.>>127965111It objectively isn't>normal>/ˈnɔːml/>adjective>1.>conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.Gays are not a usual occurrence, according to most studies they make up less than 10% of the world's population>>127965157>>127965178I mean, you can keep it in your pants. Nobody's forcing you to fuck in the ass, you make that choice yourself. Trying to bitch about violent reactions to not following the norms of a civilization is retarded, it's not like we don't violently react to people being nude in the streets. Should we claim oppression over the poor nudists or do we just not go outside nude?
>>127965205>>127965205>Nobody's forcing you to fuck in the ass, you make that choice yourself.NOOOOOOO THE GAYERINOS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO FUCK 1 BILLION MEN AND DIE OF AIDS
>>127965205k lady
>>127965205>Gays are not a usual occurrence,Rare isn't abnormal or harmful. In Sweden less than 10% have brown eyes. >Nobody's forcing you to fuck in the assFirst of all that's not anyone's business, nor anyone's issue. The bigger issue is how gay couples are culturally perceived, even if they are celibate.
lotsa raging homophobia for a bunch of people who listen to faggot/pedo music (I know it's u.s. hours but still)
>>127965254Not every composer is tchaikovsky and schoenberg dude
>>127965251>Rare isn't abnormal or harmful. In Sweden less than 10% have brown eyes.Lets not claim that race and sexuality are equal>First of all that's not anyone's business, nor anyone's issue. It's nobody's business if you decide to go out nude either, but people still react violently to that while other societies do not. Some societies don't tolerate the same things that others do, this is just reality.>The bigger issue is how gay couples are culturally perceived, even if they are celibate.And you're never changing that. No child who went through this sex ed class changed their opinion on homosexuals afterwards. If anything it lead to more negative responses than positive, it certainly didn't improve my opinion. Now imagine someone from a society where there is no negative repercussion to being against homosexuality. Ideally, the best you can hope for is "Live and let live". The only thing this retarded sex ed shit does is turn people's opinions more negative.
>>127965304k lady
>>127965304>Lets not claim that race and sexuality are equalWhat? What equal even mean? What does race have to do with anything?>Some societies don't tolerate the same things that others do,Obviously true.>And you're never changing that.Many western nations (specifically ones with higher IQ) already did. Religious fundamentalists (Iran), empires on the verge of collapse (Russia) did not.I agree that sex ed. is a terrible idea, and nothing can change it except the people themselves. That doesn't mean I don't get to criticize those who live in their post-truth subjective reality engulfed by religious dogma.
>>127965396You're arguing with an indoctrinated airhead who has been trained not to change their mind
>>127965406I don't think so. We're on similar terms, I just had to explain that to him.
>>127965420>I don't think soVery kind of you. Undeservedly so, in fact. Shame to see kindness wasted.
>>127965396>sex ed. is a terrible idea>Many western nations (specifically ones with higher IQ) already didGuess what those western nations have. The problem is not sex ed just like the problem is not critical history or unisex bathrooms or whatever the issue of the week is. The problem is that education in the U.S. is either run by religious cockheads and store-brand nazis or by overcompensating nincompoops afraid of their own shadow. I'm not offering a solution, though, don't get me wrong. I think the entire country needs to be flushed down the toilet.
man wake me up when the burgers go to sleep so I can come back and attempt to discuss music
>>127955874>>127965358Why do you keep spamming this shit?
First time listening to Weber's piano sonatas. So far it can hold my interest.
>>127965522presumably he wants an answer and to discuss Clementi
>>127965358>Clementi as a composer is in a different class; for stretches of twenty to thirty bars he will compose music that sounds unquestionably like the work of a great composer; but he suffered from a curious lack of creative staying power
Who's your favourite from today's Chopin competition?
>>127966469I haven’t listened to them all, but I’m rooting for Piotr Alexewicz. I haven’t listened to Xuehong Chen yet but I’m rooting for him too. I like his way of being.
>when its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in every pretentious and neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Shostakovich, Clementi, and ProkofievThat is all
>when they listen to Mozart and Haydn concertos and completely neglect the Sun Kings court>When they listen to vocal works by Verdi, Rossini or Puccini, but not Palestrina or the Franco-Flemish School>When they don't listen to Marin Marais more frequently than Beethoven or Brahms>No Perotin or Medieval Music
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the renaissance mold
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
remember to hide the daily reminder
Remember not all Romantics are bad but all bad composers do tend be Romantic, except for Classical, all Classical composers are shitBelow is a list of acceptable Romantics:FieldChabrierFranckTarregaWagner*Any of the Russian 5GriegAlkanLate Beethoven
>>127966810Neurotic detectedListen to some Corelli, Bach or some De Rore
Worst thing about this absolute faggot is that when I search "Chopin" on archives for older posts I have to sift through his spam
>>127965522because of what >>127966186 geniusMight as well ask why people keep spamming music in a music board
>>127966810another beautiful day on /classical/
>>127966000o neat didnt know ohlsson had a recoring of them. I enjoy them a lot too
>>127966810>>127967296I don't believe in hiding or filtering posts outside of literal gore.
Hiding and filtering posts is literally 1984 level censorship.
>>127965406>>127965420>>127965436>Indoctrinated>When the only people trying to indoctrinate him were fags
Just because someone posts a daily treatise or announcement doesn't mean you haven't to read every word of it every time, so that's not an issue. And personally I don't mind it because it contributes to the vibe of the place, meaning there's zero reason to ever filter or hide something like that. That's my view, anyway.
>>127965396>Many western nations (specifically ones with higher IQ) already did. Religious fundamentalists (Iran), empires on the verge of collapse (Russia) did not.>That doesn't mean I don't get to criticize those who live in their post-truth subjective reality engulfed by religious dogma.NTA byt why exactly should I care whether a faggot lives or dies in an atheistic worldview? If you are going down this path the only logical option is total nihilism, which doesn't really mean I should give a shit about faggots. Faggots dying is just Darwinism at work, as they are genetic dead ends. Anything else is cope.
>>127967653>why exactly should I care whether a faggot lives or dies in an atheistic worldview?Atheism != nihilism. If you're a nihilist, I don't know what you're even trying to say here, or why.>Faggots dying is just Darwinism at workNo, it is just religious dogma at work. >they are genetic dead ends. Anything else is cope.Don't talk so arrogant when you know so little. Evolution does not operate only at the individual level, but rather at the level of kins and groups. Homosexuality has been maintained by kin selection. For further explanation search for evolutionary advantages of homosexuality. Genes can pass on indirectly.
>>127967768>Atheism != nihilism. If you're a nihilist, I don't know what you're even trying to say here, or why.The logical conclusion of atheism is nihilism, you're a fucking retard lmao.
>>127967768>For further explanation search for evolutionary advantages of homosexuality. Genes can pass on indirectly.This is politically motivated cope, not actual science. To pass on genes you have to reproduce, homosexuals cannot reproduce, therefore they are an evolutionary dead end. It's that simple.
>Sisterposter leaves>General gets overrun by homosexualsHe was right... I never thought that Wagner would bring this out of people but... he was right...
>>127967775And the logical conclusion of nihilism is depression. The answer is no, atheism != nihilism, foolish anon.>>127967807>not actual science. To pass on genes you have to reproduceVery educated take, bravo. You must have PhD in evolutionary biology.Explain how worker bees pass on their genes.
fallen in love with Aldwell's Bach WTC. Thoughts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYBNA2ZdD3k&list=OLAK5uy_kYANdgE0uovXwvr8F9_K8EHo4LXO1mCx4&index=47On first listen, I thought it was a bit too indistinctive and plain, technically sound and finely performed but lacking any distinguishing character or interesting personality. But after a second listen though, I've noticed the power is just subtle, and there's a potent current of emotional color which runs throughout, and what you get is one of the most moving renditions of Bach's masterpiece.
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>>127967820trannyposters are homosexuals too, sister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzeLpaPjZNUSNEEDUSSY
All fags should be killedWagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=891JUSQplzU
The above poster is mentally ill half-witWagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaZZVRd_WeU
>>127968260>Tiffany's Poon
yellow fever is one hell of a drug
Once you begin to grasp and appreciate the sublimity of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin, almost no other violin sonatas are worth listening to ever again.
>>127968580None of the other what, six solo violin sonatas out there? Damn.
>>127968590Duos w/ piano included.
Accompanied romantic violin sonatas >>> rococo cultist anthems
>>127968630>rococo cultist anthemselaborate for the folks at home
>>127968641Bachfags are insufferable
I generally don't care for sonatas of one solo instrument + piano. They usually make the solo instrument sound bare next to the vast possivilities of a keyboard instrument. Trios and up are nice though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPXXy513Wgwdoes this count as classical music?
now playingstart of Chopin: 24 Préludes, Op. 28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5erZpikDI0&list=OLAK5uy_kzD1Fsdw7xeWhebajWL19DiYcvo4Qmhd8&index=2https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kzD1Fsdw7xeWhebajWL19DiYcvo4Qmhd8Tharaud is so good, easily one of my favorite contemporary pianists. His entire discography is worth listening to. This recording got a 10/10 from Jed Distler.
>>127968687I guess I kinda feel you, a violin sonata isn't gonna be as formally complex as, say, the Hammerklavier. But it also allows for mellifluous melodies which rank among the best of all time (Brahms 1), potent emotional power (Prokofiev), and its own unique formal intricacy (Beethoven 9/Kreutzer).
top 10 piano works off the dome1. Bach - Well-Tempered Clavier2. Beethoven - Piano Sonata 29, 'Hammerklavier'3. Chopin - Nocturnes4. Beethoven - Piano Sonata 32, 'Proto-Jazz Sonata'5. Schubert - Piano Sonata 21, D. 960, 'Requiem'6. Bach - Goldbug Variations7. Bach - Art of Fug8. Liszt - Annees de Pelerinage9. Beethoven - Piano Sonata 23, 'Appassionata'10. Chopin - Four Ballades or Shostakovich 24 Preludes and Fugues Op. 87piano cycles are kinda cheating desu. Might as well be able to rank 'Brahms - Ops 116-119' and Beethoven 'Piano Sonatas 30-32' y'know? w/e
liszt
>>1279688821. Bach - The Art Of Fugue2. Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 323. Beethoven - Appassionata4. Beethoven - Hammerklavier5. Chopin - Mazurkas6. Chopin - Sonata No. 37. Scriabin - Sonata No. 58. Medtner - Night Wind9. Medtner - Sonata-Ballade10. Chopin - Nocturnes11. Liszt - Harmonies poétiques et religieuses12. Liszt - Années de pèlerinage13. Medtner - Sonata-Reminiscenza14. Scriabin - Sonata No. 715. Chopin - Waltzes
>>127970347Mazurkas that high? I'll give them closer consideration from now on. And respect on the Art of Fugue #1. Favorite recording?
>>127970347i forgot a few thingsDebussy - Preludes (Books 1 and 2)Debussy Two ArabesquesDebussy - Suite BergamasqueBach - Goldberg VariationsBach - WTCBach - English SuitesRavel - Gaspard de la nuitRavel - Le tombeau de CouperinProkofiev - Sonata No. 8Handel - Keyboard Suites>>127970413>Favorite recordingPiano - KoroliovOrgan - WalchaHarpsichord - Leonhardt
got the main theme from Beethoven's 27th piano sonata stuck in my headhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesEDpKDWs0
>Other differences.>For me what is most striking in comparing the two recordings is that the confident but sensitive, almost ebullient 35 year old has become the considered, wise 65 year old. However, I sense a certain loss of confidence in the second recording with a tentative deferential feel to the overall sound. There is not quite the same sense of purpose and coherence. That left me a little saddened and I hope it does not reflect reality for the artist.:(
>>127970524you prefer English over French Suites?
>>127968590No other violin pieces can compare.
now playingstart of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 7 in C Major, K. 309https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0sYndiHfSI&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=20start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 8 in A Minor, K. 310https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6ICW6X2u-E&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=23start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 9 in D Major, K. 311https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0g0hOkjX3M&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=26start of Mozart: Piano Sonata No. 10 in C Major, Op. 6 No. 1, K. 330https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P07Bn1Wg0s&list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0&index=28https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l8u_h_B3vKloqFpGcnYdn_Q8b1dFjYIs0
>>127967296Literal neurotic behavior, are you jewish by any chance?
>>127967296based, that is the only way to make this shithole usable.
Viola >>>> Violin
>>127968882>>127970347okay, my take1. Chopin Barcarolle2. Chopin Ballade no.43. Beethoven Hammerklavier4. Beethoven Sonata no. 305. Chopin Sonata no.36. Schubert D.9607. Beethoven Appassionata8. Bach Goldberg Variations9. Scriabin sonata no.410. Liszt sonata in BI'm restraining myself from even more Chopin here.
>>127972574No Nocturnes?
I don't get why you guys are so obsessed with the Nocturnes.
>>127972589>>127972574I'll add one opus of Nocturnes in 15's11. Chopin Fantasy in F12. Chopin Polonaise Fantaisie13. Ballade no.314. Schumann Fantasy15. Chopin op. 62
really cool album cover because it's not only DSCH for Shosty but it looks like Bach, or is that just me? surely that's the intentionanyway as for the recording itself, can't wait to listen to it completely tomorrow, it's one of the speedier interpretations on record, which is interesting because, from what I've read, Shostakovich intended for it to be played faster than most people play it, yet Tatiana Nikoleyeva, the pianist whom it was written for, plays it slower than anyone else! quite the paradox of art, no? you never know how things are gonna turn out when you write a piece for someone. anyway, for this recording, here's a sample,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQApb99L3Ts&list=OLAK5uy_mFjowxZhuGroWgj45kNoO-RUu6WYcUdgM&index=15
>>127972604Late nocturnes deserve the obsession though.
>>127972604Let's put aside the memorable melodies, gorgeous textures, and dazzling and soothing expressiveness, you also get 19/21 of them! it's 2 hours of music!
>>127968882Schubert D.960Beethoven op.109Mozart KV.511Bach - WTC bk.2Debussy - Images bk.1Janacek - In the mistsBartok - Six Romanian dancesSchumann - KinderszenenBrahms op.118Bach - Goldberg variations
>>127972574Scriabin 4 huh? interesting pick.
>>127972665a true renaissance man
In fact, I would put Chopin's Nocturnes against any other 2 hour combination of his music (without curation, so you either get the entire ~70 minutes of the Waltzes or none of it). Sonata 2 + 3 + Op 10 + 25 Etudes? Nocturnes. Preludes + Waltzes? Nocturnes. Mazurkas? Nocturnes. Both Piano Concertos + Polonaises or Four Ballades? Nocturnes. but hey that's me
>>127972665>>127972606>>127972574>>127970347>>127970524Good stuff
>>127968618the sonatas for harpsichord and violin by bach, bwv 1014-1019 are also really good. not as "learned" as the solo works, but more in the galant style, filled to the brim with wonderful melodies, absolutely charming works. grumiaux was made to play this stuff.
>>127972665>Bach - WTC bk.2This is how you know you are dealing with a bona fide hipster contrarian.
So absorbed was I in Chopin that I nearly forgot Fauré existedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsTZ4CwRZM8Ballade is one of his most elaborate works, yet the golden age pianists seem to stick with only Nocturnes and Barcarolles, what a shame. The one recording from the French school (under Liszt's pupil) pianists, Casadesus is closest I found. >>127972718I would take just the movements and bits and pieces of Sonata no.3, Ballades and Barcarolles over entire set of nocturnes. You're crazy.
>>127972796NTA, but just about every interview and liner notes I've read by WTC performing pianists in the last few months, and I've read a lot, has them preferring book 2 as well. Book 1 is undoubtedly more popular, but my point is it's not controversial for someone really into classical music to prefer book 2.
>>127972796Come back when you've listened to classical music for longer than three months.
>>127972801>BarcarollesBarcarolle*Some say 3rd movement of Sonata no.3 is the greatest nocturne Chopin ever wrote. I'm inclined to agree.
Scherzos are greatly underappreciated, I forgot for a moment, and nobody even mentioned them. Blasphemoushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdDRbgZOmeA
>>127968882keeping it to one per composerBeethoven - Sonata No. 29 in B flat major, Op. 106 'Hammerklavier'Bach - Die Kunst Der FugeChopin - Barcarolle in F sharp, Op. 60Haydn - Hob. XVI/52Debussy - PreludesScarlatti - Sonata in F minor, K.466 Schubert - ImpromptusScriabin - Sonata No. 7Dussek - Sonata in F Minor "L'Invocation", Op.77Couperin - Les Baricades MisterieusesMedtner - Sonata in E Minor "Night Wind"Messiaen - Catalogue D'OiseauxRavel - Gaspard De La NuitByrd - The BellsShostakovich - 24 Preludes and FuguesRachmaninov - Sonata No. 2Prokofiev - Sonata No. 7Clementi - Op. 40Handel - Suite No. 3 in D Minor, HWV 428
admittedly, rubinstein makes these works sound kind of good
>>127972836i love Scherzo No. 2, one of my favorite Chopin pieces.
>>127972855The opposite. Rubinstein is cold and sterile, not real Chopin.
>>127972836i like Richter's recording.https://youtu.be/YXqbGUOuojg?
>>127972852Man, Byrd was such a master in his keyboard music. I wanted to include him but I couldn't immediately think of a specific work, it's all so good. Maybe: Will you walk the woods so wild
best Chopin Mazurkas cycle? preferably nothing recorded later than 1970s and nothing earlier than 1950s.
>>127973053https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3HVus3biLE&list=OLAK5uy_lPlXP9Qm3-5aA3FDSTRru8FwPRhCvqUZ0&index=1Also while pulling this album cover, I saw Ingrid Fliter finally has a recording coming out, a volume 1 of the Mazurkas, so that should be dope, she's a fantastic Chopin performer. Might be out now, I'll listen to it tomorrow
>>127968882Piano cycles > all, so the top 10 isBach - Well-Tempered ClavierBach - Art of FugueBach - Goldberg VariationsChopin - NocturnesChopin - MazurkasLiszt - Annees de pelerinage Liszt - Harmonies poétiques et religieusesShostakovich - 24 Preludes and FuguesDebussy - PreludesBeethoven - Hammerklaviersingular works and short pieces can't compete
>>127973053You VILL listen to HISShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLX_GBRWZ-8&list=OLAK5uy_nlXfrswyK2QXW57uoV7eG4ofDmAN3T-bE&index=6
>>127973112>i can't tell one piece from the other!!
>>127973146Whenever I download a recording of them, I combine all of the pieces into one long track
>>127973162the horror
Why do people make fun of me when I say I prefer Faure to Brahms?
>>127973534No one makes fun of you for having preference. You can learn to ignore the trolls.
Who is the most homophobic composer?
>>127973662Tchaikovsky. He's the only composer that killed a homosexual.Let's listen to some 5th shall we?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh1c4JxWtC8
What's binary about rounded binary form? Doesn't look binary to me. More ternary.
>>127974004The first part is actually a repeat of the first part. So there are really only two parts.
>>127958660Did you settle on Peter Anders? Please tell me you did
I started playing the piano and taking lessons earlier this year and would like some coming up with new songs to learn. Right now my teacher has me learning: Mazurka op. 67 no. 2 (Chopin)Sonatina in G (Beethoven)Solveig's song (Grieg)Waltz in A minor (Chopin)Soon finished with the Mazurka and Sonatina and she has asked me to come up with some new songs to add to my rotation but I'm not well-versed in classical music and all the songs I know are far too difficult for me. Do you guys have any good recommendations?
>>127974303*would like some help coming up with new songs to learn
>>127974303c sharp major prelude from book 1
>>127957273>says it's complete quartets>it's actually a trio
>>127974336+ 1
>>127974335https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-c8WG2GTaI&list=RDZ-c8WG2GTaI&start_radio=1This one? Looks intimidating, but I'll mention it to my teacher. Thanks anon.
>>127974303Bach: any of the Inventions if you haven't played anything by Bach before, any of the Sinfonias if you haveMozart: Sonata Facile KV 545 if you haven't played anything by Mozart before, otherwise Sonata in B flat KV 570Beethoven: Sonata No. 1Chopin: Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2 (the famous one)Schubert: any of the Moments Musicaux D 780Schumann: Träumerei from KinderszenenBartok: Allegro barbaro if you're feeling adventurous, something from Mikrokosmos Book 4 or 5 if you aren't
>>127974420Much appreciated anon! I will mention all of these and try to find good books for them. Other than the songs I already mentioned, the only other piece I've played so far is the Minuet in G which was my first piece.
>>127974303>>127974469kill yourself, faggot. this general is not your fucking blog.
>>127974499On your period, anon?>>12797446>try to find good books for themIf like the Henle editions you can't really go wrong with them. Others I can recommend are Edition Peters, Bärenreiter and Wiener Urtext. But you should really listen to the pieces first and decide whether you like them before you spend a bunch of money.
>>127974513snap your neck, tranny.
>>127974499>>127974524What a zesty nigger!>>127974513Again, appreciated. Doesn't matter much if I like them or not, as long as they're good practice pieces.
Some billionaire needs to lock him in a room and force him to record the complete cycle. It's really a crime that the amerimutt homosexual has the only decent cycle even though Hantai's Scarlatti is much better.
>>127974533ywnbaw.
>>127955338guys I once met a guy at a park, we were talking about bach and he said that I'd probably like a french composer that was called guillame or something like that; I can't remember his name but what I listened to was nice (he put some on a speaker). if any of you has an idea of a french baroque(?) composer with a name that starts with "g" maybeidkthanks
>>127973112goldberg is trash, you're a pseud faggot
>>127974571shut up, retard.
>>127974571what kind of work was it? choral? keyboard?
>>127974573at least 90% of the posters who frequent this general are pseud faggots.
>>127974571Was it Gligma?
28 seconds
>>127974598more like ligma.
>>127974602that's what she said.
>>127974612ouch!
>>127974612yeh, i posted in the wrong thread. shouod hhave been in the "what's the quickest you came?" thread
Bach was a complete nobody in his lifetime while Handel was the most revered composer in Europe.
>>12797461910 seconds but I was going through opiate withdrawal and it does that
>>127974639Remind me again which one of them played for Frederick the Great?
>>127974639>>127974646"[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach." - J. S. BachAnd when Mozart heard this:"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word""Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there." - MozartUpon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed: "He is the master of us all.""Handel is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb." - BeethovenBeethoven, when asked to name the greatest composer ever, he is said to have responded: "Handel, to him I bow the knee."In 1819, Beethoven told Archduke Rudolph: "not to forget Handel's works, as they always offer the best nourishment for your ripe musical mind, and will at the same time lead to admiration for this great man.""Händel is the greatest and ablest of all composers; from him I can still learn." - Beethoven on his deathbed
Listened to Chopin's Nocturnes before sleeping last night and reiterate my stance they're almost all masterpieces.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_bjp-i2MY&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9jX5UG25Q&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=13https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egxvtMtOt8k&list=OLAK5uy_msiiRw4wA_weiAqEFU0PsYoyI_UUDBgro&index=18It's too good! I don't get how you can listen to those and not think it's Chopin's best work, but hey, that's the fun in being human I suppose.
>>127974653>The prosecutors have built an astonishing record. Several of Handel's works consist largely - in extreme cases, almost entirely - of systematic "borrowings", as they are euphemistically called. Israel in Egypt is among them. Of its twenty-eight choruses, eleven were based on pieces by other composers, some of them practically gobbled up whole. Three of the plagues choruses were based on a single cantata by Alessandro Stradella, a Roman composer whose music Handel encountered during his prentice years.>More recently it has been discovered that no fewer than seven major works composed between 1733 and 1738 draw extensively on the scores of three old operas by Alessandro Scarlatti that Handel had borrowed from Jennens.>Perhaps Handel's most brazen appropriation involved the "Grand Concertos" (concerti grossi), op. 6. They were composed in september and october of 1739 and rely heavily for thematic ideas on harpsichord compositions by Domenico Scarlatti, which had been published in London the year before.>One of his critics was Johann Mattheson who openly and angrily accused Handel of copping a melody from one of his operas. Another was Jennens, who wrote to a friend that he had just received a shipment of music from Italy, and that "Handel has borrow'd a dozen of the pieces & I dare say I shall catch him stealing from them; as I have formerly, both from Scarlatti & Vinci".>Sure enough, Handel rewrote the passages he had borrowed for his own recent operas so as to obscure his indebtedness to Vinci's. If the old defense - that borrowing carried no stigma - were correct, there would have been no reason for Handel to cover his tracks. And that may also explain why, of all the borrowings securely imputed to him, Handel altered the ones he made from Domenico Scarlatti the most. It may well have been because, of all the music he borrowed, Scarlatti's keyboard pieces were most likely to be recognized by the members of his own public
>>127974661Uh, Händelbros? Our response?
>>127974666Handel proved you can indeed polish a turd.
does Brahms get dinged for not having a masterpiece piano cycle? or does his ops. 116-119 count?
>>127974692why are you retarded?
>>127974695i haven't taken my meds yet
>>127974692why do you call everything a cycle?? chopin's complete nocturnes and mazurkas are not cycles, they are several different opuses written and published over a long period of time
>>127974698ywnbaw.
>>127974702Nobody was talking aobut Chopin.
bach is for pseud redditors to basedface over le counterpoint
>>127974698never post here again.
>>127974707I bet it's the "cycle obsessed" anon though
>>127974702but he published them under the same name.
>>127974712ywnbaw.
>>127974716but that's the word to use.
>>127974735Only if the composer intended it to be a cycle i.e. played as an entity.
>>127974746That would disqualify all of Bach's keyboard works.
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>>127974753fine I deleted it. someone else make one or I will in another 300 sec
>>127974750Not exactly. A single suite or partita could be considered a cycle in the sense that all the movements are related and intended to be played consecutively. But all the suites or partitas together are not a cycle, but merely a collection of distinct, individual works.
>>127974782But what bout the WTC and Art of Fugue?
>>127974777please consider committing suicide.
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>>127974557lmao take your meds
>>127972604i don't get it either. jameson nathan jones likes debussy which makes sense because he's a composer and was taught by an actual classical composer. chopin seems to be more for piano playing nerds and they even have chopin piano competitions. nahre sol is described as a composer, pianist and youtuber, but it's clear that she's a pianist and youtuber who does composing as more of a side hustle and she seems to like chopin.>Nahre Sol received her Bachelor of Music degree in piano performance from the Juilliard School in 2013, studying with Matti Raekallio.
