"[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach." - J. S. BachAnd when Mozart heard this:"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word""Handel understands effect better than any of us -- when he chooses, he strikes like a thunderbolt... though he often saunters, in the manner of his time, this is always something there." - MozartUpon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed: "He is the master of us all.""Handel is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb." - BeethovenBeethoven, when asked to name the greatest composer ever, he is said to have responded: "Handel, to him I bow the knee."In 1819, Beethoven told Archduke Rudolph: "not to forget Handel's works, as they always offer the best nourishment for your ripe musical mind, and will at the same time lead to admiration for this great man.""Händel is the greatest and ablest of all composers; from him I can still learn." - Beethoven on his deathbed
His Passacaglia for harpsichord is one of my favorite compositions of all time
>>127986981Your favorite Artist's favorite Artist
>>127986981Who cares-he was probably really impressive in the 18th century or something, but he's outdated now
>>127987361music has gotten simpler not more complex
>>127987462By that measure Schoenberg kicks Handel.
>>127987361Your ears are rot with industrial shit.
>>127987361>outdatedWhat does that mean here. It's Classical music. Not about trends. Also, Handel's Messiah is one of the few classical pieces that still sells out every year...across the world, in every city symphony. Including non-English ones. Possibly twice a year. It was meant for Easter, but later got associated with Christmas too.
>>127986981The powdered wig period of history was so cringe.
>>127987479He does, yes, correct.
>>127987961Heath Ledger's Casanova is pretty entertaining. The original TOP G.
Yes, Anon, Haendel was the GOAT, it's that simple, you just need to listen to anything random of his.
>>127988013His own book is far more entertaining
>>127987361>outdatedIf you're conflating taste (fashion) with value, this doesn't mean anything and isn't a criticism. Art doesn't become technically obsolete the way a phone or a software version does. People also literally still perform Handel after hundreds of years. He will always be great, and he's also better than and will outlast your favorite artist.
>>127987961It's a bit silly, sure, but they made the best music in history then, so we can forgive them.
>>127986981Picture him without the wig, why did he look like a shady car mechanic?
>>127988291Car mechanics are Germans or Mexicans. Handel was a German.
>>127986981>In the afternoon R. goes through several things by Handel and is astonished at their banality; no depth, no Christianity, a proper Jehovah worship. The only excellent thing he remembers is the “Ode to Saint Cecilia.”>R. goes through Handel’s Alexander's Feast; the skip in particular pleases him, and he says Handel was the Rossini of his time.>R. read aloud the poem of “Alexander’s Feast,” since Herr Rub. needs Handel’s work for his essay on Brahms; afterward R. points out several ineffective and arbitrary harmonies in it and stresses how in Bach every thing seems magnificent, necessary, and significant.>He also ridicules the false cult of Gluck and Handel and says, “What was extraordinary about these personalities is quite unknown to the gentlemen, who indiscriminately admire what was really only prolificness.”>R. turns to Handel, takes out the “Ode for Saint Cecilia’s Day” and asks M. Br. to sing his favorite piece from it, “The soft complaining flute”; she does not know how to sing it and R. demonstrates it to her. He also plays the march from Judas Maccabaeus, which he likes enormously, and at supper he maintains that Handel must surely have composed “God Save the King”: “The fellow was a scoundrel, but a genius as well.”
>>127988728what did he like then
>>127987126Just listened to that, thanks for the rec. She has a wonderful voice.
>>127988728Wtf is that sissy R. shit?
>>127988942He was a Bach-Mozart-Beethoven guy.>>127988989It's his wife's diary.
>>127987074Literally just variations on the circle of fifths. You're the ultimate pleb
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>>127991344>literally just [cool thing]
>>127988728but Rossini was pretty good thoughhis Barbiere is a nice prequel to Mozart's Figaro
>>127991489In the Wagnerian outlook Rossini was a decadent genius that made music about catchy and seductive tunes lacking the profound beauty of a Mozart. He positively compares Weber against Rossini.
>>127991344theory bugmen will never make anything memorable
>>127986981Thank you for posting.
>>127988261Idk, i actually prefer renaissance music, but i know i'm alone in this.
>>127987074Do you have a favourite version of that?
>>127991344Lol, you midwit theoryfags are so clueless. Limitations are what make music good, and it's what you do within them that matters. It's a passacaglia, by the way. Of course it's harmonically repetitive, that's the whole point. The craft is in how you transform a fixed bass into memorable, varied and dramatically paced variations that build an arc. But in true midwit theoryfag fashion, you're blind to the actual music parameters (form, texture, pacing) that make the piece amazing in the first place. Baroque music really is a pleb filter.
>>127993896Yeah, that's fucking crazy to me, but I respect it. What are your favorite composers/works?
>>127988013damn, this is the first time I ever see this movie mentioned anywhere. it was absolute dogshit.
>>127991625>>127993939The irony of calling me a theory fag when we're talking about baroque music.I stand by what I said. It's plain goofy to say that particular composition is your favorite from Handel. It's one of his least interesting. It's my just harmonically repetitive, it's a very simple chord progression. And the variations on top are pretty simple, too.You just don't get it - I'm not saying it's a bad piece, I've played it myself. But to say it's your favorite piece by Handel is plain embarrassing.It's more of a platform on which the performer can themselves add ornamentation.
>>127995296>The irony of calling me a theory fag when we're talking about baroque music.Where exactly is the irony? You just sound like a retarded theoryfag with some surface knowledge as to what makes music good or interesting, but miss the bigger picture. Criticizing a passacaglia for being harmonically unadventurous is just plain retarded.>it's goofyNot an actual criticism.>I've played it myselfSure, lol.>But to say it's your favorite piece by Handel is plain embarrassingIt's not my favorite Handel piece by any stretch, but your negative obsession with the piece is suspicious. Any normal person would just say "okay", but you're surprisingly butthurt about it.>It's more of a platform on which the performer can themselves add ornamentationNo shit.
>>127995296theory bugmen will never make anything memorable
>>127995604It's just embarrassing that mentioning the "circle of fifths" makes me a theory fag. Most basic shit that even cowboy chord retards know.And it's ironic because of course handel himself knew what the circle of fifths was.>Criticizing a passacaglia for being harmonically unadventurous is just plain retarded.Let me spell it out for you, retard. I'm not criticizing the piece. I'm criticizing someone for saying it's one of Handel's best compositions. It's meant to be a platform for improvisation and ornamentation. It's barely a composition in its own. I'm criticizing someone for saying that's their favorite composition ever.I bet that anon listened to a recording and assumed that the ornamentation was part of the composition.>Sure, lol.Why is that hard to believe? Man, you people are retarded lol. >It's not my favorite Handel piece by any stretchOh - so in the end you seem to agree with me>but your negative obsession with the piece is suspiciousI left a one line post and then replied to the posts that replied to me. Obsession? I'm the one that's butthurt? >No shitAgreeing with me againWhat is your point exactly? You're just mad I mentioned the "circle of fifths" in my post - the most basic babys first "theory" (if you even want to call it that)? Therefore, you disregard the rest of what I said despite the fact that under it all you basically agree with me?I hate to use the word "tourist" in reference with handel, but the guy wrote so much good music. There's just something incredibly bizarre with saying that piece is your favorite. It's like picking out his last baroque piece
>>127995812Go listen to more handel and then come back in a few years. Maybe you'll see my point then
>>127995960Least baroque piece*
127995984theory bugmen will never make anything memorable
>>127995960You're seething because you've been outed as a theoryfag midwit, keep embarrassing yourself further though it's funny to all of us.
>>127996094>theoryfag >theoryfag >midwit>midwitAppears to be all you can say. I'll stop replying unless you have something else
