They were right leaning conservatives. Libs can't invent new genres like they did
YOU ALL FORGOT RUDOLF HESS
no one knows who this is
>>128071760KYS, newfaggot
>>128071733To the extent that they were political at all, they were probably vaguely left-wing but (rightfully) bitter and jaded by Labour's naked and repeated betrayals of the working class. The Nazi references were purely to be shocking and provocative, which is something punk bands back then were expected to be rather than something that would get them cancelled.
i think one was a skinhead but that was a very different culture at the time
The leaders of menBorn out of your frustrationThe leaders of menJust a strange infatuationThe leaders of menMade a promise for a new lifeNo savior for our sakesTo twist the internees of hateSelf-induced manipulationTo crush all thoughts of mass salvation
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NO LOVE LOST IN THE HOUSE OF DOLLS
>>128071733They'd have a literal "GAY SPERM" sticker on their amplifiers and were one of the few new wave and eventually electronic music groups (New order) that were actually working class, and they often mentioned their working class / labour, blue collar roots.No, they were not.
>>128071733I remember reading an interview back in the day when Hooky was asked this very question. He replied "I don't know. The only politics I'm interested in is Factory politics."
>>128071733in their EP licht und blindheit that was only 2000 copies and released in france, they put a bunch of germanic runes in the gatefold artwork
>>128071733I think some people have a hard time with post-punk (and later industrial) music playing around with symbols as an artistic commentary on a fucked-up world as opposed to endorsement of right-wing death squads.>>128073327Sounds like socialism to me.
>>128073743Factory was JD's UK label.
Ian was right wing through and through. The rest either didnt care about politics or were just libs
>>128071963>working class people can't be nazis
>>128071733Just larpers. Here are some real nazis.
>>128071760Lol.. lmao even
>>128074190WHO MAKES THE NATZEES
>>128074190This. JD were workin class doomers but Ian was probably the most/only right leaning member. Hook was probably in practice but he clearly never gave a fuck abt politics (based).MES in the other hand was full blown. He's said as much saying he was leftish as a young dumb kid but the older he got the more he saw how dumb it was to support that betrayal/hypocrisy etc. He also screams jew as the climax chorus of the centerpiece of one of his albums. And says nigger a few times (the opening of the Classical comes to mind).Also he probably had the highest IQ of any rock musician which isnt saying alot but you can tell beneath his almost unintelligible manc accent that the guy is like 3 steps ahead of everyone
>>128071733The nazi stuff was funny back then when there were still people alive who actually fought them, now it's just gay
>>128071733>>128073743>He liked Jim Morrison, too. And the Velvet Underground’s nihilism. But he liked Sinatra more. Some afternoons we’d kill time in a Nazi memorabilia shop called Call to Arms, run by Chris Farlowe in an Islington antiques mall. Chris had a hit single covering 'Under My Thumb' by the Rolling Stones, using the resulting windfall to indulge his Nazi passion. I had bought one of Hitler’s table knives from the Berlin bunker silverware there for just ten quid.>Ian would paw around some of the uniforms, try a jacket on. A Hitler Youth belt. He thought the Third Reich had the best uniforms, that Speer had a really sophisticated sense of style. Most of the time, we walked right back out, empty-handed.Yeah that doesn't sound like "playing around with symbols as an artistic commentary on a fucked-up world" to me. Sounds like he legitimately dug their symbols and fashion
>>128071760TZD
>>128074503based
>>128074325>32 fuckin albumsImpressive>Post-punk as wellHoly shit, I need to give these lads a listen posthaste
>has a song that is literally called Rights for Whites>not ironic or satirical>hardcore punks can’t defend this so they never bring it up
>>128074561Enjoy. They are the best. Id recommend Bend SinisterPerverted by language (personal favorite)Slates-EPHex Enduction HourThis Nation's Saving Grace
>>128071733You can tell just by the way they dress that they are right wing
>>128071753what genres did they invent?
its funny when leftoids say shit like right wingers cant make art when their favorite punk and post punk musicians were thatcher or Regan voters and had an affinity with fascist aesthetics
A staunch supporter of the Conservative Party.He voted Tory repeatedly as "he always would do". Curtis insisted that his wife should do the same in order not to "cancel his vote". In 1978, he ended a friendship with a childhood pal called Tony Nuttall over politics. Tony Nuttall was on the left while Ian Curtis was a political right-winger.Via Touching From a Distance: "Apart from this, Tony and Ian had grown a long way apart, particularly in their politics. They were left and right wing respectively. Tony wasn't a passionate campaigner, but found that shared politics gave him an almost unconscious way of warming to people. His friendship with Ian had disappeared and he wondered if Ian also felt the gulf. For this reason, the conversation that day remained shallow as they sought some common ground. When Ian showed Tony Nuttall the "An Ideal for Living" sleeve, he was dismayed by the imagery and, listening to the music, found it wasn't really to his taste either. Their friendship never re-established itself."In 1979, Curtis tricked the local Liberal candidate into driving him to the polling station so he could for vote for the Conservatives.Ian's closest confidante, his wife Deborah, recounts the bizarre episode:“Ian told the Liberal candidate in a local council election that we would both be voting for him. On the day of election the poor man appeared at the door with his car to take us to the polling station. Ian accepted the lift and voted Conservative as he always would do. He argued that as his wife I had to vote the same way, otherwise I would cancel his vote!”According to NME, “Curtis was a man of deep, deep contradictions; a sensitive artist with a taste for bohemian writers like Burghs and Ballard, he was also a loyal Tory voter, who vehemently opposed immigration and flirted with fascistic imagery.”
>An early supporter of Ronald Reagan. He told Zigzag that he had been waiting "for someone who could communicate the joys of liberty as compared to the joys of equality”. He actively campaigned for him around 1980 stating "I moved back to the United States as soon as I thought Reagan would get elected."
In the book "Jim Morrison: Life, Death, Legend", the critically acclaimed journalist Stephen Davis,depicts Morrison as a southern conservative and (occasionally) a casual racist.From the summer of 1964:"Jimmy Morrison was known for getting crazy drunk and shouting "n****r around campus , just to provoke the well intentioned. As a conservative southerner, Jimmy seemed to have a racist fear of black people that unfortunately surfaced when alcohol impaired his ability to control himself."Furthermore, in the book "Riders on the Storm: My Life with Jim Morrison and the Doors", John Densmore reveals that Jim was more in favor of "ethnic purism" rather than the multiracialism advocated by Ray Manzarek."Dear Jim, Those last lines of “American Prayer” remind me of the constant arguments you and Ray used to have about man's evolution. Ray wanted a golden race to come out of blending and you argued against the loss of individual characteristics."
>>128075823Punk is countercountercultute. They hated hippies so that made them right wing
>>128074503It means nothing. Loads of people wear hammer and sickle shirts or union flag shirts and it doesn’t mean they’re Stalinists or Cultural Imperialists. It’s a thing in punk where symbols lose their meaning and are used ironically as aesthetic accessories, it’s actually anti Nazi to wear the swastika and not be an actual Nazi it’s a form of appropriation
>>128071891Literally drumpf
>>128075799shut up chud
>>128071733they were just being edgelords, like most punks who adopted Nazi aestheticsSiouxsie was 1/4 Jewish and she wore swastika armbands
Im a socdem and i think extreme political aesthetics are cool. Communist, fascist, don’t matter. It invokes intrigue.
>>128074166the nazi party was overwhelmingly the party of industrialists and the upper middle class, actual working class germans were social democrats and commies lol.
>>128076978The nazi party purposefully led with the image of a worker’s party to gain the support of the working class, which they did.
I don’t care if people don’t understand punk it’s fine it’s a filter
>>128077007nta but yeah to trick idiots into voting for or otherwise not being totally against them, they had a lot of propaganda tools, they were never the workers party and their policy wasn’t geared for the workers
>>128077022Yeah im not the kind of dumbass who says the nazis were socialists just because they called themselves that. In the same way modern antifa isn’t anti fascist.
>>128077007i think you mean trick* which they did not. this is why almost immediately after hitler became chancellor they set about violently dismantling the communist and social democratic parties and trade unions as they were the biggest threats to the nazi parties rise to power.
