Within white culture existed room for the starving artist or the "other" who didn't fit in but really did...really played his part in the culture. Flooding our countries with non-whites has taken this away because the prevailing narrative is victimization
>>128103217kys faggot
>>128103217Kids can barely read anymore and have the attention spans of goldfish, no shit they're not getting lost in the great writers of the past and trying to make art of their own.
>>128103217>white cultureThere’s literally no such thing and by making up such a term you are effectively killing all the unique cultures contained therein under your shit umbrella
>>128103332Hope she sees this bro
>>128103340Do you want to discuss it or not? If you don’t that’s fine just let the thread sink and you can try again later when I’m not here
>>128103332>There’s literally no such thingThen why are non-Whites always crying about wanting inclusion in White lore, fairy tales, symphonies and ballets, and even wanting White history re-written so they can be included so they can claim it as theirs too? Why is it that there's pretty much an unwritten rule that says that when White people make a music video you gotta include that diversity or you racist? >>128103217>because the prevailing narrative is victimizationThe first "Joker" movie exposed the prevailing narrative within the backlash against it: White people can't be social outsiders, victims of cruel society, or anything bad. Being White is automatically being priveleged with a better life than anyone else just because. Of course that's a fucking lie that certain types made up so they don't have to feel bad about pouring in and taking all they can from Whites.
>>128103217true but we still have some older ones lingeringi'd like to see some younger ones pop up I don't know any but we are certainly primed for some Frankly we have the tools now that have never been easier for some guy in his bedroom to make some very interesting/novel sophisticated music and the knowledge has never been more accessible, just kind of needs to happen. The generally low and generic quality isn't at all determined I think it might be more of a moral thing.That the "artistic" sort of people rather get absorbed into mass media/hive mind mass politics stuff, and are no longer in contact with reality so they aren't actually able to make any genuine art because it just turns into talking about how racism is bad or how they became a tranny. I think that did eliminate the majority of potential artists but it just takes 1 actual one to really to kick something off
>>128103217>the prevailing narrative is victimizationyes, you incels love playing the victims
>>128103917No one cares about you, Muhammad
brown ruins everything like poison.
>>128103935i live in the US and am whiter and more successful in life than you incel. cry more
>>128103217White people don’t have culture tho
>>128103332>indian.street.food.webm
>>128103217Irish Catholic were never considered white though Mr. shartmart.
>>128103997Sure you care, Muhammad
>>128103871This movie was based on the same concept. An eccentric white artsy intellectual girl in white culture. And they made her black.>>128103871They know that they're stealing from a better culture. They know they're lying. Their jealousy isn't the only fuel. Our own compassion was our doom.
>>128103871You’re getting American (US) culture conflated with “European culture”. Europe has and always has had a diversity of cultures, when you force them under a single umbrella and then claim the whole thing as “white culture” (but you really mean American non-slaves non-hispanic non-asian and only from the US), what you are effectively doing is destroying European culture itself. You meantion ballet as example, well let me inform you that ballet is not a cultural norm for all of the various distinct cultures of Europe and it’s not even arguable. I’ll tell you something else as an example an Arab Maronite Christian from Lebanon or Syria has vastly more in common with any Roman Catholic from anywhere in Europe compared with for example a Swiss Calvinist, if only you knew what I was talking about eh
>>128103911Did they really have to make her Hispanic
>>128104002We have the only real culture.
>>128103217British music was so peak from the 60s- early 2000s, and then it kind of died. I think you're right that too much diversity plus changing social conditions ruined it. Even British punk was great, the late 1970s dissatisfaction with the economy and government produced tons of great bands. Now it's fucking dead.
>>128104114Ballet is European. And Fairy Tales passed down to the American artist Walt Disney are European. European whites and European Americans share the same blood. That is why they are white. With various colors for eyes and hair.
>>128104114it's really not even worth arguing with sharts over this. the person you're replying to probably isn't even white, he's most likely some self-hating mystery meat mestizo. the only reason they capitalize White is to counter others capitalizing Black which is also pointless virtue signalling
>>128104027Neither were Italians in America, now they are. If whiteness was an actual culture it would exclude itself from allowing foreign cultures to join it. Those other cultures would be subsumed by it, total homogenization, but we don’t see this. What we see is Irish Catholics and Italians are still Irish Catholics and Italians and what’s changed it whiteness has been redefined so as to claim those distinct cultures as white. The truth is it’s just dumb racism and the facts are that a black American is closer culturally to whatever you want to call a white American than either of them are to Africans or Europeans because they are both American. Racists are absolutely fucking retarded
>>128103217>White people don’t have culture tho
>>128104144Ballet is not Greek you stupid idiot. Ballet is not Irish it is not English it is not Hungarian it is not Spanish you are an ignorant fool of a person. Those Disney fairy tales are also taken from specific cultures, some are German some are Danish some are Irish or whatever, they aren’t the same fairy tales in the whole of Europe because Europe is not a single homogeneous cultural block and fuck you for trying to destroy it with your ideas
this isn't just directed at OP, but what *exactly* does it mean for a race/ethnic group to have a certain culture? a common thing I find in these discussions is an emphasis on respective parties saying or acting like their culture has only/mostly good qualities, but never really talking about their bad qualities (if they think any exist).
>>128104154I agree with you there desu, though I am very racist myself
>>128104154There should be a category called the brown race, since most of the world fits that category and make them separate from us. If you don't have pink nipples, pink pp, then you're brown.
>>128104173Ballet is European. Only. And it looks ugly if non-whites do it. It was meant for specific type of specially trained white girl.
>>128104243Race & Culture WhiteSub- Culture American Race & Culture WhiteSub-Culture Australian
>>128104243A people is their ethnicity and culture, just genetically speaking you have a group of people in a particular environement and what that people is the product of thosuands of years of selective breeding and intentional cultural shaping so that they can be bettered adapted to their environment. Folk/traditional practices that are the typical meat of a culture (they they are largely, and intentionally, destroyed now) were the means of a people functioning in their environment. You'd have those things come about for how you deal with your neighbors, the seasons, agriculture, etc. A culture is part of a people, just as an ethnicity is and either can be rationally separated from the others. >never talking about their bad qualitiesIt's not a good or bad thing, it's just particularity your desire to generate a system of good and bad among them is just your hatred of culture as such. For any particular culture, any other culture is a sense bad to the extent it degrades their particular culture. The more different it is, the worst it is. I'm principally scottish and english and an inheritor of that ethnicity and culture, my good is in that culture functioning and anyone who is contrary to that culture is contrary to my good. Good is, in the classical sense, the flourishing of some particular creature, not some abstract judgement of how many positive points something has. Destroying and not allowing particular cultures to exist is evil because it prevents the flourishing of particular creatures, each culture is in some sense hostile towards eachother for the same reason. But from the perspective of the person flourishing my culture is part of my good, it is the means by which i flourish, practically it does only have good qualities. There is no second order perspective where I can see myself in another culture, as my culture itself is my means of rationally engaging with things you can't not have a language.
>>128104338This is retarded. If you’re Australian convict you have more culture and ethnicity in common with Australian aborigine than with any kind of American
>starving artist
>>128104645lmao
>>128104645Sorry I didn't post rap or kpop
>>128104435Walden would never have been written in China
>>128104027https://youtu.be/TDD3AnPmU7o?si=XdLojLUJkdmPPJC2
>>128103217If we poured one billion Indians into Japan, would it still be Japanese?
>>128105774as far as groping women in public, yeah
>>128103217what is he trying to convey with this expression and pose?
>>128103385You're not fooling anyone. You disingenuously come into this thread and try to gaslight about how the thesis is just made up, instead of making an real argument. So of course I'm not gonna interact with you seriously. You are not the gatekeeper of muh actual discussion, and you are full of shit.
>>128104144>With various colors for eyes and hair.That just means they are mixed, not much, but mixed. White people have fair eyes and hair.
>>128105981Suggest you get a dictionary definition of disingenuous before trying to use it in a sentence
>>128106117>actually none of that is real because i said so>you have to make real arguments but i dont>semantic autismAnything else?
>>128104114>>128104173>divide & conquerShalom
>>128103911Do you really bandcamp isnt brimming with the type you're describing? The problem is they don't recieve promotion anymore, and even more so that you and everyone else complaining expect to be spoonfed music instead of finding it yourself.
>>128106796>Do you really bandcamp isnt brimming with the type you're describing? The problem is they don't recieve promotion anymorePeople go on about muh culture but the fundamental problem is that people don't pay for music anymore. That's bad for "outsider" artists who might've been able to make enough money to do it full time in the 1980s/1990s. That's just not possible now. You have a few super-successful monopolistic pop artists like Taylor Swift (who looks like an Ayran princess) and then a bunch of people in their bedrooms playing around on their computers.
>>128104645>First of the Gang to Dine
>>128106994Here's an uncomfortable question: What kind of music do people who engage in piracy? It was white outsider coded music being stolen the most. Could be a more cynical explanation for the sudden disappearance of the archetype in the mainstream than muh psyop.
>>128107398Oops, aborted that sentence. What kind of music do people who engage in piracy tend to listen to?
>>128104114Massive cope
>>128106388Do this >>128106117 with semantics. >>128106442More of a Roman tactic later inherited by the British now copied by the Zionists. Just remember every accusation is a confession
>>128106994Opalite is clearly racist.You were sad and sleepless with Blackie but are now happy with Whitey
>>128103217https://youtu.be/wMykYSQaG_c?si=q1QqZNVXl2Tke8Fy
>>128104116Ah yes, Gomez, a classically white name.
>>128103217Could life ever be sane again?
>>128110551Spaniards are white...you know that, right
>>128106796no i dont' most of it is pretty generic and mediocre or badly done, i've had much better luck looking around on youtube but even then none of it is really waht I'd call excellent, if you have examples rather then just being a fag you could just share it
>>128103217You can still find plenty of autistic annoying quirky white guy artists like Morrissey or David foster wallace who are convinced they’re misunderstood geniuses. Those guys never went away, the industry just stopped giving them attention because by and large they are considered yesterday’s news by hipsters and tastemakers. There was a huge saturation of guys like that in the 90’s. It’s basically a huge chunk of Gen x culture
>>128110598>get told off about asking to be spoonfed>ask to be spoonfedYou are annoying. If you genuinely want new music (which I doubt) just go to those threads or make a thread asking for what you actually want instead of this piece of shit racist thread
>>128110744I'm aware what's out there, it's just not generally not very good
>>128103217>the white eccentricThere aren't eccentrics in prominent numbers among any ethnic population in the United States anymore.White guys all just want to be frat trash, black guys all just want to be YNs etc etc.The eccentric died in the 2010s when it was phased out by social media's hyper obsession with conformity and logging of social behavior.It's why music has become so boring. The people who make it have all become boring.
>>128111347There are never eccentrics in prominent numbers anywhere ever it’s literally what makes eccentrics eccentric
>>128111412Okay, admittedly prominent was a poor word choice but the point is, they went from unusual to nonexistent.
>>128110686surely somebody might actually have something worth saying enough to get noticed rather than just playing the tortured genius act
>>128103217Yeah, this is very true. I've been trying to articulate this for a while. Someone like Matty Healy is vaguely cancelled and his only crime is being an eccentric white man. Pitchfork didn't review John Maus' latest album, despite him denouncing Trump and going on a public apology tour. Blaming "woke" is too simplistic, but there's just an overall intolerance towards eccentricity.
>>128110568The majority of Spaniards are NOT white. They are mixed. Or what do you think happened during hundreds of years under muslim rule?
>>128104318>then you're brown.And there is nothing wrong with that.
>>128104645Kek
>>128103227fpbp
>>128110568lmfao
>>128112693that is not a white visage
>>128104328You are delulu if you think a pale east Asian woman looks ridiculous doing ballet because she's non-white.
>>128104509Bullshit. Culturally I'm split between both.t. White Australian but not convict blood.
I wanna be the zoomer Morrissey but I need people to start a jangle pop band with
>>128114452you also need talent and among faggots like morrisey that's a rate of about 1 in 7 billion so better yet just neck yourself
>>128103236>trying to make art of their ownmany people make art to put on social media instead of for self creative reasons. being arty as a identity instead of because of an internal creative drive. social media seems so contrived.
>>128106994>That's just not possible now.it is very possible. youtube showed me a video by Tim Exile and i thought "is he still going?". i didn't watch the video. but he has been around for 15, 20 years as a musician in the small electronic musician economy. i went to Sonar festival 20 years ago and it was all small time producers making a living and lots of them are still going. it is quite ignorant to be so binary in your bedroom/swift-monopoly statement. it is quite dependant on your location as to what you can experience, this is an irony of the internet that even though the internet supposedly has everything, you do need to be near a major city or a specific city to experience these things in person, but there are scenes and economies and ecosystems of music and creativity around. i don't play in bands anymore but if people in their 20s are complaining they can't be in a band because they need a full time job to afford to live then they are still making a choice about how they spend their time. everyone gets 2 days off and only works 8 hours a day, so people have free time to make music. they are just not keen to make the sacrifices needed. Johnny Marr did nothing but play the guitar and have his girlfriend. every band on the dole in the UK in the 80s made the sacrifice of being poor and skint so they could be in a band. people who today need to work need to make the sacrifice of not doing other things if they want to be in a band. the fact that Viscount Mumford could subsidise his sons and his friends to make music and be in a band is irrelevant to 4 lads from Middlesbrough who work in a call centre and still decide to spend their money on rehearsal rooms 3 nights a week and petrol money to play a gigi on saturdays. you can whine or you can do it.
>>128104135>>128104135>I think you're right that too much diversity plus changing social conditions ruined it.I'd agree with that, plus the boy band/X factor era that really finished off a lot of what made it so great. There are no "true stories" anymore of bands like The Beatles, Black Sabbath or Joy Division being a bunch of loser dorks who made great songs and became famous, its all manufactured and astroturfed to shit now. A lot of the blame can be laid at the feet of cunts like pic related, though it really probably began in the 80s with the likes of Stock, Aitken and Waterman and their pop "hit factory". Pretty sure Satan Cowell was associated with them early on in his career.
>>128106994>>128116476Honestly I think both these posts are accurate. Yes, unique and creative artists still exist and can still perpetuate their art, that hasn't changed and if anything has gotten easier, but gone are the days when there was room for eccentricity in the charts. The Smiths or someone like them wouldn't be topping the charts in 2025, they'd be cranking out cassettes for Bandcamp retro hipsters. Is that a good thing or not? I don't know, but the landscape is just different now and IMO something has been lost along the way.
>>128112962It's an ECCENTRIC white visage.
>>128112693How can one be vaguelly cancelled? Didn't he just headline the most woke festival on earth where everyone was chanting free palestineIf being cancelled is to mean anything it must have some real effect on your career. Kanye is cancelled. Morrissey is not cancelled but there's some embarrassment around admitting to being a fan of his (which has been the case since the time of The Smiths - Morrissey's obstreperous ways were a constant topic in UK Music Journalism back then). Kanye was in that position for many years until he got to actually being a Nazi but he was extremely successful, no one was protesting him performing etc as in case of actual cancellation
>>128105891That he's very wonderfull and specialBut on the inside he is saaaad
>>128118306Kanye got himself cancelled it’s not the same
>>128104114The way Americans do it is oversimplified and removed of any historical depth but (western) european cultures have been sharing much more with each other than with non-european cultures for like a millennium and a half. On various levels of law, philosophy, science and art. There's a reason Flemish art expanded on an Italian tradition and not say a Chinese one. Or why "concert music" styles spanned Austria, Germany, France, Russia, Italy, etc...
>>128120023>neighbouring countries with common travel agreements and strong trade ties share cultural similarities I’d be mildly impressed if I was 7 years old (and retarded)
>>128103217It seems in uk the general quality of people has deteriorated. The couple of times I have been in London it seems in all the gigs and clubs the most of people are diminutative black haired uncultured non persons. It probably doesn't help that so many cultured personalities have been homosexuals and have not spawn offspring.
>>128120433>neighbouring countries with common travel agreements and strong trade ties share cultural similaritiesYes and that's the point that was contended originally, retard. Just because hot takes are the dominating internet paradigm doesn't mean boring statements can't ever be true
>>128103948The problem aren't decent people but the though ones. Nice generalization
>>128104645Is this supposed to be out of shape for a a man in his 60s?
>>128122621There are neighbouring countries on the racial categorization borders which share cultural similarities the same way. You’ve proven nothing, the contention stands
>>128116480Simon Cowell is a a jew, not that it matters
>>128103217>>128104645>>128114671Marr won
there was a video posted here ages ago of him having an autistic meltdown but it got deleted from the internet
>>128118306Matty Healy isn't cancelled, but he was publicly called out by Rina Sawayama and Lucy Dacus of boygenius. And Taylor Swift wrote an entire album vilifying and exposing him, which has prompted her legion of fans to continuously attack him. The only crime he ever committed was being an eccentric.
