Jazz serves a cultural function in the music scene. It is a signifier for musical "adulthood." To embrace jazz is to don a kind of graduation cap, signifying a broadening of tastes outside "mere" rock music. This ostentatious display of "sophistication" is an insult, and I find the graduation cappers transparent and tedious. Certainly there must be interesting music one could call "jazz." There must be. I've never heard it, but I grant that it is out there somewhere.Jazz has a non-musical parallel: Christiania, the "free" zone in Copenhagen. In Christiania, like in jazz, there is no law. People are left to their own inventions to create and act as they see fit. In Jazz, the musicians are allowed to improvise over and beside structural elements that may themselves be extemporaneous. Sounds good, doesn't it? Freedom -- sounds good.The reality is much bleaker. Christiania is a squalid, trashy string of alleys with rag-and-bone men selling drugs, tie-dye and wretched food. Granted Total Freedom, and this is what they've chosen to do with it, sell hash and lentil soup? Jazz is similar. The results are so far beneath the conception that there is no English word for the dissappointment one feels when forced to confront it. Granted Total Freedom, you've chosen to play II V I and blow a goddamn trill on the saxophone? Only by willfully ignoring its failings can one pretend to appreciate it as an idiom and don the cap.
roast beef nigga
TL;DR: he didn't like black people
>>128112684Absolute truth nuke
>>128112684>filtered by big macs>filtered by jazzAlbini is an elitist man who despises common people but nonetheless considers everything he doesn't personally like pretentious
>>128112684I didn't find any jazz I liked until I was 30There's a style of jazz out there for any open-minded listener
>>128113004is there jazz for racists
>>128112813
>>128113234Cool jazz
>>128113234Nazi Germany had an official national swing band
>>128113282No>>128113286No one listens to this, not even contemporary Nazis in the 1930s/40s
>>128113234ECM style perhaps
>>128113305Smooth jazz
is every single gen xer in history an insufferable midwit?
>>128112684Bumping because good enough thread more worthy of this board than all the kpop/sloptimism bs (even though I like jazz)>>128113260Also, lol, never knew this, yuge if true>>128113281& a great meme
I took him for a sort of punk tastelet but I remember he was asked in a podcast interview what he'd been listening to lately, and he named some real heady modern classical music
i like jazz, i like steve albini and i like big macs (and slim jims ) but i dont like steely dan
>>128112684Simply filtered out>>128113314True
>>128112684dead pedophile
>>128112684>Granted Total Freedom, you've chosen to play II V I and blow a goddamn trill on the saxophoneWhy not? It’s art, express yourself however you please. No one has to like it, but apparently enough people did that it seemed to piss off Steve. And that’s based, so jazz is based.
>>128113821Eh, I wouldn't go that far
There's a reason why people say jazz is dead. Saying things like this makes zero sense when you understand the scale of the things people call "jazz"
>>128112813>>128113260>motherfucking the driver boasting into the air unbidden about getting their dicks sucked and calling everyone a faggot
>>128112684truth nuke>>128112813based
Remember when this pedo realized the fucked up shit he did might come back to him so he suddenly became an ultra leftist progressive and was "forgiven" (provided child porn to the leftist LGBT pedophile cabal).
>>128112684Albino is incredibly low IQ but thinks he's high IQ
>>128113004Which jazz artist and or subgenre finally did it for you?
>>128113260>insectlike qualitylol
>>128113234European free jazz
>>128112684>>128112813>>128112977>>128113234>>128113260>>128113821>>128115215I just don't get why he bounced back so hard into woke territory after he realized he was gonna get called out for being such a prominent edgelord in the past. Why not have a sense of humility about it?
>>128117517Many such cases. They get to the end of their lives and realize the winds of social conventions have radically shifted, they’re trying to save their legacies
So did le smug pedo guitar man killed jazz?
>>128115215I appreciate this because it's a cute internet comic that somehow reads like a cut passage from Fear and Loathing.
>>128117600basicallyi actually like some jazz, but denying the fact that its failed to rly innovate for decades is silly. nowadays its just a tradition. a subject you study in school.and its rly not hard to see why albini would think its fucking gay, considering his job was recording for countless bands who actually WERE innovating at that time.
they play jazz at my local McDonald's in a black neighborhood to keep the teens subdued.I wish Steve was still alive so I could treat him there.
>>128112684Another fallen hero
>>128117795Rock music has had no innovation since the 70s. Any band since then, you could just point to a 70s band doing more or less the same thing. Pathetic rockist take
>>128118158>it's realwhat the fuck?
I got into jazz when I was 13. I just thought Miles Davis and Bill Evans were really cool, and Mingus and Dexter Gordon had gorgeous sounds and arrangements. This whole "jazz is le sophisticated bachelor pad music cope" almost always comes from boomer dad rock fanatics who feel bad they spent their whole lives jerking off power chords. It's just fun music, don't be a faggot dork who overthinks it.
>>128113234grand wizards in the KKK loved john coltrane. never give up on your dreams, anon.
>>128113281kek
>>128114905wow, literally me
>>128117517because he's a fucking coward. who coulda guessed a chud-looking pencilneck was all talk all along, kek
>>128118208Classic Albini. One of the great literary minds of our time.
>>128112748
>>128112684Jazz is a bit too cerebral for a guy like Steve. He was a man of simple pleasures. Beer. Bacon. Big Macs. Enormous black bitches with behemoth brappers. Steve was a born assman. A rear admiral. He was all about the bass. Beefing up the bottom end. A bootyblasting backdoor man. A baker of buttmeat. A butcher of bum chutney.
>>128112684We lost a real visionary with Steve.
>>128113260>he's a classic 98-pound weakling, with a gawkish crew cut, wifre-framed glasses that give his emaciated face an insectlike qualityWell someone needs a Big Mac
Remember when he freaked out because he thought his haircut was "fascist"? Lmao he was so paranoid of getting canceled towards the end of his life he overcompensated hardhttps://youtu.be/1uUNeejxWp0?si=rZqBWFRc5p42kSzv
>>128119196word up
>>128122363it's dry humor
>>128122363PUNY HOLE
puny hole bros…
>>128112813this, Albini was just a racist chud
I want to know about jazz. Give me your 3 recs. If they are from before 1999 (the last real year) all the better.
>>128112977Where can you buy good bread AND good cheese for less than a Big Mac meal?
>>128122363How is that a "fascist" haircut? To me that would be long hair.
>>128123745spuzz sisters
>>128116245For me it was guitar-focused hard bopGrant Green, Wes Montgomery, Kenny Burrell, Joe Pass, etc., and also some pianists like Red GarlandI just don't like brass or woodwind instruments very much in my jazz
>>128120559As a man, Albini was merely flesh and blood. He could be ignored, ridiculed, even be destroyed. But as a symbol... as a symbol Albini can be incorruptible. Albini can be everlasting. The Eternal Albini.Albini may be gone, but for those of us with grip-on-reality problems, his work shall carry on.
>>128120559a real pedo sick fuck you mean
>>128125958Nobody gives a shit
>>128112684Based as fuck, I only listen to music created by young people. Once you get too old chances are you're a boring faggot that likes jazz or some shit.
>>128126248most of the big influential jazz musicians got started as teenagers and then died in their 20's or 30's
>>128112684Europe seems like an interesting place, right Steve?
>>128113234yeah Grateful dead, etc. its just as awful
heres a quote youve never heard: I like Phish but not Grateful Dead. kneejerk hippie horseshit
>>128124829#1) DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince - Homebase#2) Pretentious Cunts Sipping Onions Lattes While Wearing Berets - Music is Serious Business Mom#3) Angry Looking Black Guy - Goofy Sounding Shit With "Blue" In the Title That White Cucks Worship
>>128127096>and then died in their 20's or 30'sNot really true at all. Despite most of them being junkies at one time or another, they mostly died in middle age. Only ones I can think of who died before 40 would be Scott LaFaro, Eric Dolphy, and Michel Petrucciani (lol on that last one). Sonny Rollins is in his 90s and still kicking around
>>128125370Have you heard Undercurrent by Jim Hall and Bill Evans? Just guitar and piano, and it's very serene
>>128112684i have tried to like jazz but it is simply shit and anti-music
>>128131596im sure you tried very hard and im sure it had nothing to do with an ADHD-related skill issue.
>>128126248>I only listen to music created by young peopleI hope this is excluding zoomers
>>128131759ADHD and jazz go pretty well together imho, it helps me focus like no other music, but if its too unfamiliar then it becomes too overwhelming and i end up focusing too much on just the music. a good hard bop record with a nice time feel where the playing kinda hints at the avantgarde just makes me gel, theres both novelty and creative expression connected to something familiar in the music, theres a rhythm but its fluid and constantly reshaping itself to frame whats going around it. sometimes theres something that feels like a wierd impulsive experiment happening in the music but they always make great effort to integrate it into the collective, its very easy to identify with those kinds of moments when you have ADHD.
>>128132682Being normal and jazz go pretty well together even better
>>128131232I'll check it out, thanks anon
>>128127733grateful dead fans are massive lefty hippies, that's a terrible choice for racist music
>>128130472Clifford Brown, Lee Morgan, Fats Navarro, Charlie Christian, Fats Waller, Cole, Billie Holiday(!), John Coltrane(!) and of course Charlie Parker(!) all died young. Oldest here is Billie Holiday who was 44 when she died.
>>128131596>I am intellectually insecure and tried to force myself to like something I had no genuine interest in, failed, and experienced sour grapesYou problem
>>128130472>mostly died in middle ageeven if that was true (see >>128133569 which is a non exhaustive list btw) my point that most of them got started young and made their most influential records while young still stands. Jazz is young music.
>>128112684I like people who do jazz the way it was originally conceived, taking a popular tune and taking turns soloing over it. I also like cocktail piano stuff where the left hand plays minor 7 chords and the right plays fluffy little melodies. I couldn’t imagine being a hardcore jazz guy though, Bach/baroque does all the interesting things jazz does but way better imo
>>128134411>where the left hand plays minor 7 chordsis the 7 a 4?
>>128133569Trane was 40 when he died
>>128134444Dying at 40 is very young.
>>128134424is it a 5 with middle name?barf?
>>128112684thinking Steve Albini has some sort of relevant opinion on jazz is kinda like thinking Christgau has some sort of relevant opinion on jazz, only Christgau some times had a clue, Albini is just clueless
>>128113260https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCyDTCUYbHYIs there a higher quality version of pray i don't kill you faggot anywhere
>>128134458Not on a historical time scale
>>128112684Atomizer [Homestead, 1986]Though they don't want you to know it, these hateful little twerps are sensitive souls--they're moved to make this godawful racket by the godawful pain of the world, which they learn about reading everything from textbooks to bondage mags. This is the brutal guitar machine thousands of lonely adolescent cowards have heard in their heads. Its creators deserve credit for finding each other and making their obsession real. But not for anything else. B+
>>128136085yeah, but all these people died in like the 60's, well after the advent of modern medicine and hygiene
>>128123745I still can't believe that quote is real. It's bad even for 4chan standards, and it only gets worse and worse the more you look into it
>>128118201You've never clearly listened to enough
>>128117517I liked his music and looked like him back then even but I had a gut feeling he wasn't genuine. The difference was I was legit edgy then and actually believed my own bullshit which got me kicked out of the punk scene.
>>128119203Source?
>>128114832>he named some real heady modern classical musicWhich composer(s)
>>128136526this might blow your mind anon but most of them aren't white
>>128136612>kicked out of the punk sceneStory time? That sounds interesting
>>128134994even fantano has better jazz takes lmao
>>128112684>>128134994I recall reading something before where Albini claimed that Fun House was his favorite album of all time. I don't get how he squares that one with his opinion on jazz. Fun House always interested me less than Raw Power precisely because it was too jazz-influenced.
>>128113234yeah it's why we all like japanese jazz fusion
>>128136983that is literally some of the least white music you could possibly listen to. it's the japanese doing (poor) renditions of black music.
>>128136998japs are white adjacent and they sanitize the niggerishness out of the music
>>128136924NTA but I assume by the way he speaks, he’s talking about the 90s. It’s exactly the same nowadays. It’s extremely easy to get kicked out of any “punk scene”, you just have to slip up once and say something they don’t like. For all their grand standing about anti this and that and acceptance and whatnot, punks are extremely tribal and hate any ideologies outside their own.
THE BACKBONE OF THIS COUNTRY IS THE INDEPENDENT ROAST BEEF AND GOOD CHEESE
>>128136980Maybe he secretly liked jazz but was too much of a liberal to admit it.
>>128113281Fine and good meme, saved for future breads, had me a kek with the jaw unhinged sides in pain, tho lest we forget the original, and we shant forget it's importance and so posted
>>128112813I don’t think anyone does
>>128118201>since the 70sOk so you’re a gay zoomer brainlet. And I don’t even really like “rock music” that much
>>128119196pretty much. I was 15 or 16. none of my friends were into it, I just liked it.
Albini is a pedo retard who has never made anything worth listening to in his entire life
>>128137226peaks on the first track and I don’t even know what he’s yammering about but it goes hard
>>128137429Racer-x is pretty good
Sneed Albini
>>128134411>likes wanky pop music, booze muzak and bach/mu/ really brings in all the cultured intellectuals these days
>>128137429For less than the cost of a Songs About Fucking, I bought Atomizer which I enjoyed much more.
>>128138089You wasted your time and your money
>>128137791>booze muzakwhat's wrong with it... it's closer to actual Jizz than your fave slophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KTqpY5NBA
>>128138149Oh... it's an actual genre :3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2jNHvS3b14Noice!
>>128137109True. Punk seems to have been swallowed up by that whole "Le punch a nazi" progressive redditor/antifa ideology. Doesn't seem to have much to do with music anymore.
>>128127172FLASHBACKS
>>128138089based
>>128112684nigger
>>128118208he was literally just copying Peter Sotos' writing style, dude was his #1 dick rider
>>128124871>Where can you buy good bread AND good cheese for less than a Big Mac meal?Over the millennia many have pondered this question. Only one anon was courageous enough to contact Steve directly and seek his sage wisdom. Steve was humble enough to admit that in today's world his numbers may not add up due to rising inflation and went on to encourage everyone to eat McDonalds.So feel free to get yourself a Big Mac and know that Steve himself has given you his blessing.
>>128138930what a guy
>>128113260pic sauce?
>>128112684
>>128136563Go ahead and drop the names of those innovative rock bands who aren't repeating a dated gimmick then
>>128138930>"Feel free to never think about it again as you look for reasons to patronize one of the most destructive corporations on earth. Be my guest."I love how backhanded this is
>>128138930Daily reminder that he started wearing a t-shirt that said "I am begging you to stop emailing me" onstage right after this
>>128143917He really was /our/guy
>>128143917not a fan of "jokes" that are really just cries for help
>>128138149okay>>128138184mindless slop
>>128143917That was his guitar amp? Looks like some old studio tube compressor.
>>128137127liberals love admitting they listen to jazz
>>128136563Neither have you, evidently
>>128143917brb, emailing him
>>128143917He needed to lay off the roast beef and cheese
>>128137022underaged tourist take. japanese jazz is by far the most americanized jazz of all time, including fusion or big band or whatever. the japanese are god awful at innovating on jazz/classical and everyone knows it.
>>128141959>Be my guestIt was his dying wish, I must honour it
>>128139569aug 1986 issue of spinhttps://books.google.com/books?id=6_7o2bblz_cC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false page 12
