>>128214998
>following the same path as AI text
so, it's garbage? i have yet to read an AI-generated short story or poem that was actually good. "indistinguishable from human-written" is meaningless in this context because most humans are also bad writers/musicians.

>>128215015
keep coping luddite fag

>akchuallly its shit

and its going to replace you

>>128215029
I'm well aware that AI will automate almost all white collar and professional workers. That does not mean the art it's currently producing is good. Passable as being written by a human? Sure. But that's not the same thing as good and it's misleading to claim otherwise.

You WILL listen to the AI music

>>128214998
Given cRap/pop are the dominant genre, and most people too braindead to see trash like kendrick as anything other than the second coming of Jesus, I say more power to AI, once 100 different flavored tpabs are churned out daily, people won't dick ride that scum, or rap in general, anymore. As far as I'm concerned, music is already dead, nothing innovative anymore left. Maybe AI will one day take the lead in developing new art forms we didn't even think of yet.

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Its over for chess, people will only want to watch AI play other AI

>>128215038
the business it's producing isn't good either. have you actually tried using an ai customer service chatbot? it's useless.

AI slop has only made me appreciate humanity more

AI media is for memes, porn, and stock images/sounds. The circlejerking hAIpebeasts who think that the average talking meatsuit's indifference to their air-filler music being generated or not is a sign of an AI art future are hyperextrapolating, at best.

>>128214998
if you enjoy making music and don't necessarily care about gaining an audience, how well AI music imitates man-made music doesn't matter. even if you have aspirations for gaining an audience and/or commercial success, there will still be people who mainly/exclusively seek out man-made music. I really don't get the hysterics.

Can't wait for the AI audience doing AI critique on AI music

AI music will be immensely cheap to produce. The music industry will move away from actual musicians and hire sexy models who make noise on social media to mime to AI music.

It will start with big name artists using AI to write or tweak songs to make them more appealing to the masses.

Human art and creativity is over.

>>128216522
We already have essays written by AI then marks and fed back on by AI. Shit is fucked.

>>128214998
I wish we could rangeban zoomers

>>128216535
>Human art and creativity is over.
there will still be artists, and those who were only in it for money/fame were posers anyways so who cares about them.

>>128215029
because people will identify so much with the artist and their life experiences. what AI has to say about love and life and joy and pain will really resonate with audiences

>>128216596
What does a piece of shit like kendrick ha to say about anything ? That didn't stop people from lapping up his crap. No, AI will do just fine.

>>128216535
why even use human models, just pull a gorrlliaz or miku and have your front man or woman be a cartoon who never ages or dies

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>>128214998
Wow damn OP you are so right, I guess nobody will want to make art ever again now

>>128214998
How braindead of an NPC do you have to be to not be able to tell the difference?

>>128217064
you don't even know the music in question, don't be so full of yourself

>>128214998

the worst thing about ai slop is when it floods the place so you can't find human work as easily

self published books went that way

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>its fucking over for the art form of music.
What kind if deranged logic even is this?
Even if AI Art truly did become par with human art in terms of quality, at best you'd then have to hold AI to identical standards to people, not higher standards, that doesn't make any sense. By this logic nobody on Earth should be making art because Michelangelo or Beethoven existed. What a lousy attempt at ragebait. Shame on you OP

>>128216989
The Gorillaz are aging in real time.

>>128217117
Neither of these dudes made the kind of shit I wanna see/hear

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>>128217283
so what you're saying is that art is ultimately subjective to individual standards which make the entire argument regarding ai vs human art entirely moot?

>>128217335
I'm saying that the primary (or at least a major) motivator in making art is, in my opinion, a lack of satisfaction with the present material. You can have a metric against which you can judge the level of craft an artwork is executed with, but this only a one side of the whole story. Many fall into the trap of disregarding one for the sake of the other, and it's also fine to forgive certain shortcomings in a work if some of its qualities strongly appeal to your biases

>>128214998
The novelty will wear off and people will go back to wanting human created works.

what i am curious about is
when will the corporations start using ai slop music in their stores
when will i walk into a store and the ai music will be indistinguishable from the muzak of yore

>>128217117
the only people who legitimately think AI is a replacement for creatives are people that aren't creatives tbqh
they don't understand that you cannot generate good taste by itself, only a skeleton
AI is simply a tool to be utilized

>>128217117
Okay, AI bootlicker.

>>128217092
word
i wonder the exponential flood of ai works will come to a point where they have to start auto-deleting stuff with low views just for storage space reasons in which case a lot of human art would eventually be lost too

>>128214998
The AI music is good and will get better. The only thing that will ruin it is record companies suing everyone and creating an environment where only billionaire multi-nationals can profit

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>>128214998
WHO
FUCKING
CARES

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>>128215058
>new art forms we didn't even think of yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9484gNpFF8

How many artists have already been using AI at least to get ideas without acknowledging it or us noticing?

>>128214998
I still can't understand after 3 years people still don't realize how soulless AI art is. It's not fully encompassing yet but once it is, does the thought of almost all the art you see, hear and watch not made by a human just feel soulless or at least a bit weird?

>>128219378
the ideas you get are bad 9 times out of 10.
it's no different than using sample loops - nobody ever made fear porn threads about the use of sample loops.

>>128218629
>the only people who legitimately think AI is a replacement for creatives are people that aren't creatives tbqh
Yeah, it's people who used to pay us. So what exactly am I supposed to do without money to live?

>>128219378
How exactly are you going to get an idea from a machine you have to put an idea into to get output?

>>128215058
>>>/r/music/

>>128215095
Really good counter ironic analogy. AI music is going to be like the pet rock in 10 years, no one will give a shit. It will be in commercials, tv and film soundtracks, and airport music but no one will care about it in a deep way or interact with it or go out of their way to pay for AI music. People care about other people and their personalities and life experiences.

the turing test is retarded and doesnt account for 90% of people being retarded

>>128215029
For context, this poster is the guy who shills his youtube channel (>25 subscribers) of john lennon parodies every day

>>128218629
But remember this:
In this case the creatives are the massive corporations and their millionaire execs.
They get to stay around, you do not

>>128214998
Right-wing inbred peasants will celebrate because they hate art and want artists to suffer for having talent.

>>128214998
What if 50% of music released from the 60s forward was a.i. tho…

>>128219220
is the bottom right chick supposed to be asian or middle eastern?

>>128215029
nice spacing. go back. now.

it really isn't though
ai generated music will have a place
but people won't want to listen to music only made by machines

>>128216596
music at it's core is just about mathematics. what does that have anything to do with emotions? our minds are already tuned to appreciate certain forms of music with predictable beats and melodies.

>>128226205
I dunno man. Some boomers had the same attitude about the internet in the late 90's and early 00's. Now it has pervaded commerce and life in general.

>>128226850
>music is mathematics
NTA. Please mathematically explain to me how good melodies, both stepwise and otherwise, are formed.

>>128226205
>It will be in commercials, tv and film soundtracks, and airport music
So it will be in 99% of music, and everyone who was ever involved in any kind of music production can blow their brains out, that's what we've been telling you idiot.

>>128215095
i really want to like this analogy but it just doesn't compare honestly

>>128228250

Given the computers have been better than the best humans at chess for decades now, yet the game and its human players are more popular today thsn ever, this may just be the perfect analogy. A.I. music won't take over even when it DOES get better.

>>128215058
drake lost.

>>128227495
The fact that it's been really believable for probably 6 months or more and every time a label has been like "Hey kids check out our new AI popstar!" everyone clowns on it and ignores it, is enough evidence to me that it simply will not catch on. Now AI in general will most certainly be a mainstay in our societies but with "algorithms" being a thing for years now it's not a huge shift in my opinion, certainly not for art. Jobs have been getting more and more automated over time and I think that's a good thing because eventually the most dangerous jobs will be done by machines and it will save lives. But art? Not happening. Electronic artists didn't kill live music acts, hell digital can't even figure out how to kill vinyl for Christ's sake.
>>128227744
If you think commercials, tv and film soundtracks, and airport music accounts for 99% of music you are a hyperbolic idiot. I think AI will take up a good chunk but so what, that's not going to kill real human made music, just like the printing press didn't kill calligraphy. People will have the option to listen to their own library of AI generated music suited to their tastes but unless they want to watch a hologram perform AI music "live" they're going to have to pay to see a real life artist for in person experiences.

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>>128215044
fine by me

>>128228455
>If you think commercials, tv and film soundtracks, and airport music accounts for 99% of music you are a hyperbolic idiot.
99% of music someone actually got money for, yes. Same thing goes for any visual arts-related job.

>>128226530
That's literally Marxist Post-Modernism

>>128223479
>us
No, you. That is a (You) problem. I've been freelance the entire way through my design career, AI didn't even interrupt my commissions.

>>128226307
>In this case the creatives are the massive corporations and their millionaire execs.
Right, which is to say "not creatives."

>>128226530
I just want to use music for like 10 seconds for my edits without losing monetization for all my hard work in my videos. Is that too much to ask?

>>128215058
based, kendrick is for NPCs

>>128228585
that type of music is for wagecucks. it doesn't make you a hundred million dollars like being a successful artist does. the guy who made the top gear theme got a few hundred bucks.

>>128214998
ai doesn't think. It analyses data and learns to rearrange the data it's trained on according to the prompts it is given ie. it's just repackaging music that already exists. Humans can be poor writers too but the process of conceptualization in radically different.

What will be the em dash of AI music?

>>128215095
We've already been doing this. It got big with the civ games just to watch the ai

>>128214998
I just want the ability to change the vocal of any song into a guitar solo melody line.

You don't need AI to ripoff Martin Garrix bangers.

>>128228585
>>128230379
Yeah you're sort of proving my point for me, industry music composers already don't effect the independent music market, so if those industries get taken over by AI the only people losing money are the industry composers, not indie musicians, get it?

>>128227597
4/4
I V VI IV
Rinse and repeat

Not that it's good, mind you, but it sells, and that's what matters to the industry.

>>128234420
Those aren’t melodies, that’s a chord progression and a time signature. If I played the 5th scale degree in eighth notes over the I and V and then played the 6th scale degree in eighth notes over the VI and IV, we’d have ourselves a pretty terrible melody. Music isn’t just math - there are elements of music that include math, but to say it’s just math is wrong.

Record labels hope it catches on because then they don't have to pay residuals to anyone. And maybe they'll be lucky enough that people will listen to AI music to the exclusion of the music made by the artists whose catalogs they exploited in order to train their AI, so they won't have to pay residuals to those artists any more either

>>128234420
I don't know if the 4 chord song structure sells by virtue of it's merit or because of the corporate music monopoly spamming it to the exclusion of everything else.

>>128234552
Yes, strictly speaking, roman numerals describe harmony, not melody, but simple pop melodies only use notes from its home key, no accidentals, no modulation, not even any 7th chords. AI is already more than crafting simple melodies that are bland, yes, but they are pleasing to the ears of normies, and that's not even a new thing really. Take a few horrible hits from the 80s and 90s like Groovy Kind Of Love or Breakfast At Tiffany's. Extremely simple melodies that require zero creativity to compose. We are way past the point where AI can create music like that on an assembly line.Sure, it's bad, but plenty of songs like that are monster hits despite being ungodly bland, and that's the point here. AI music is not good, but it will sell and it will replace the jobs of working musicians.

>>128215044
Your AI rappers shall not swear or glorify knife crime
They will be autotuned
And you will be happy

>>128214998
Ai can maybe replace radio country music or other shit like that. Just be better at music than that and you're good.

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>>128234867
>simple melodies that require zero creativity to compose
it doesn't follow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC4VCOa51u0
Literally

>>128230379
>that type of music is for wagecucks. it doesn't make you a hundred million dollars like being a successful artist does.
Yes but it earns you a living (or at least it used to) as opposed to dying in a ditch.
>>128234011
How do you not understand that it's the same people who do "industry gigs" and actually do "le real arte" music in their spare time and have already been struggling as it is? You think you get proper music from people who are otherwise working in a cannery and saving for a harpsichord by doing overtime at the docks? Do you only want retarded nepo babies to do any kind of art?

>>128235534
if AI replaces a good chunk of low-skilled musicians, then so be it, you're making slop that offends audiences (many people don't watch TV at all), the job market has changed throughout human history and very recently like just 10 years ago people were shilling software development and now you hear about how there are too many people with worthless computer science degrees

Can somebody post all the Varg quotes already on AI being actually good and you all being a bunch of whiney faggots?

I thought you should know by now people don't care about the music as much as the people who make it or watching them perform it

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>>128215029
>hurrr luddite

>>128235985
How do you think high skilled musicians come to be, are they hatched from an egg? There has to be an entire support industry around it that you obviously have no clue about whatsoever.

>>128236022
Yeah we really need to hear what a mentally ill welfare queen says about anything.

>>128235252
For fuck's sake, I'm not talking about Mozart, literally the second greatest musician that has ever lived. I'm talking about basic bitch pop music, the shit that actually sells by the millions to the wider masses.

Rick Beato made this song with a few AI prompts, and it's virtually indistinguishable from a top 40 song made by a human artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIbWNXcYG0k

Watch Jared Dines get blackpilled by how proficient AI is at making metal music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkQ-PRQRA2g

Yes, it's basic, yes it's bland, but it's efficient, cost-effective and the vast majority of people won't be able to tell the difference between this and the real thing. Sure, Beethoven will endure, but 90% of current musicians are likely fucked as far as future career prospects are concerned.

>>128238288
Ok and? 90% of everything is shit. Get a job.

>>128214998
the only thing that might work is an artist that is attractive or entertaining irl which AI cannot replicate or they write in a way AI can't reproduce. As far as chords and melodies there really isn't any stopping AI.

>>128238328
I'm glad we agree.

>>128238387
Most Taylor Swift fans have never seen her in person. Pop stars are not immune from being replaced.

>>128238531
Yeah but they listen knowing that she is a real person, that is part of the allure of a pop star. If she was AI then it would be her less relatable. Maybe generic background music in a lobby or store would work but as far as a discography it would be different.

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>>128238387
you can just make a fake ai girl and people will make fake porn of her

>>128238636
>Yeah but they listen knowing that she is a real person
How could they know for certain if they've never actually met her?

>>128238676
>fake porn
That isn't irl

>>128238943
You don't have to actually meet them but seeing them or knowing someone who has seen them irl like does this really need to be addressed? Yeah you could theoretically fabricate an elaborate false history but a professor or neighbor or someone servicing them at a store will have witnessed they are an actual human being at some point if they are. Can't believe this is a serious remark, touch grass anon.

>>128239033
A large portion of people already think it's morally reprehensible to even question mainstream news. Do not think it's impossible to make people believe in a fabricated person.

>>128239128
>goalpost shift
nah I think more people question mainstream news now than 5-10 years ago

let me know when ai can make something like this
https://youtu.be/i5MjELsHA4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRk_k03ads
i only listen to music that would poison AI data

>>128239148
>>goalpost shift
My bad, reddit, I didn't realize we were having a formal debate.

>>128214998
why are they making AI do shit no one wants like making new 'music' from the ground up, rather than something actually interesting like upscaling low-quality recordings

>>128239454
>reddit
>formal debate
anon I...

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We deserve AI
No, we don't need AI, nor do we want AI, but we deserve it. We deserve to have every fucking thing on the internet be taken over by machines, we deserve a dead internet.
People have always posted outright lies and misinformation online to horrendous consequences because retards are incapable of critical thinking and take every single clickbait social media post or out of context news headline screenshot at complete face value. Now that AI is taking over, people can no longer hide behind the veil of false-legitimacy, now we are forcing ourselves to take everything we see with a grain of salt. It's a shame that it had to come to this, but maybe now we'll start touching grass more. AI can't hurt you in the real world (yet) after all

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>>128239753
i dont agree with your pessimism but i agree maybe it will make people go outside but i suspect it will not many will just absorb into the ai false-reality hole

>>128236470
now it's easier than ever to educate yourself on the internet for free. you still need talent and intelligence which you are mostly born with but being born in a wealthy environment will help you realize your potential. even the audio engineering is easier than ever to get into with lots of analog gear from the 80s which would have cost several thousand after inflation can be had for a couple of hundred bucks or less. yet still 99% of anons are doomed to fail because they are profoundly retarded plebs.

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>>128239753
>we
(You)

>>128240969
>people finally realizing that the internet is bullshit and that we should just go outside more is pessimism
That's the opposite of pessimism, that's probably the most optimistic outcome in fact. Pessimism would be the grim reality where the world never wakes up to these ideas and the misinformation crisis just gets worse

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>>128239557
it shines on parodies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_XwseDwmuQ
the rest, I can do without it

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I always wonder, when AI truly creates the the dead internet, will the pre-internet information and entertainment sources return to prominence? I don't mean TV unless there'd be a government program to illegalize usage of AI on television programs. I mean as in: Will we go back to a theater to watch people perform music, plays, variety acts, etc?

I regularly go to the theater myself to see performances of classical music, I'd probably just continue doing that regardless, maybe more. You can't really AI generate an acoustic performance of an established work that you are seeing in person. But would this branch out to other arts as well? Would screenwriters start writing plays more instead of films? Would pop music return to being in stage musicals?

>>128239557
There's this guy who does exactly that. Made some genuinely good remixes of Trout Mask Replica and Safe As Milk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxtZLp4BRck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RroOjf3DCkg

Granted he does most of it himself and only uses AI to extract stems and simulate stereo for the drums

>>128243430
i've wondered about that too

Every 5 years there's a hyped technology that is going to take everything over and ruin lives. Then as usual, nothing actually happens.

>>128243617
Recording studios closed when DAWs became widespread

>>128243630
good

>>128215029
I enjoy creating beautiful things.
AI, if anything, will only help me out.

>>128214998
only fags that don't play an instrument are affected by this

and saying you like music without practicing an instrument always sounded meek and cuckoldish