Why were numerous '70s hard rock acts (Alice Cooper, KISS, Ozzy, David Coverdale, Aerosmith) able to successfully update their sound for the hair metal era but virtually none of them were able to do the same when it came to the grunge and alternative of the '90s?
>>128241654grunge was a young person's game
>>128241668Sad music in general is just better suited for young musicians. No one wants to hear a 30+ year old whine about being depressed
at some point, people get sick of seeing your name no matter what you try to do
>>128241654No More Tears is one of the best rock songs of the 90s. And no one ever rockstar'ed more than that video of Zakk in that solo. The shit all air guitar dreams are made of.
>>128241654Ozzy was the only one who actually did. It's probably down more to Sharon as a manager than it was him but he managed to weather grunge and even nu-metal on top of hair metal, which none of the other 70s guys really did. Not to say that the music was good, because Ozzmosis and Down to Earth sucked ass, but he still maintained commercial success right through the 90s and 00s
>>128241837Alice had gotten sober by that point and became Christian as well. He wasn't exactly interested, I guess. He did have some cool 90s tunes though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcAl93uEYUA
hair metal still had the masculine cock rock ethos of sex drugs and rock and roll. grunge was an inversion of this and kurt cobain was a male feminist loser
Wait, this is the closest he came https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuVMq22dc34
>>128241654Tons of these fuckers had 90s hits https://youtu.be/rSH3NWks7m4
another much bigger one https://youtu.be/JkK8g6FMEXE
>>128242620Aerosmith for sure. But none of it was grungy. They just did their own sing and somehow succeeded. Like a few big hits.
>>128242627own thing*
Even most 80s acts like Motley Crue et all couldn't adapt to the 90s and did a face plant when they tried.
>>128241774>at some point, people get sick of seeing your name no matter what you try to dothere's the few exceptions like Frank Sinatra who become an institution unto themselves and are always around but most do eventually run out of gas
>>128242627They have to be maybe the greatest success story in terms of overall impact + achievements + their late-career meteoric rise: they practically ruled rock in the 90s. I can't think of any other act, American or otherwise that had a similar arc.
>>128244143They credited their later 80s/90s etc success to the fact they brought in external songwriters e.g. Desmond Child
>>128244142even in his case it wasn't automatic, he was threatened with being a has-been in the early 50s
>>128242627i was becoming self aware as a child in the late 90s and i remember aersomthis song jaded being played a million times on mtv, also they had a big hit with that song i dont want to miss a thing
>>128241654grunge was too low iq and musically lame. it would be like expecting a nord to successfully fit in in baltimore. not gonna happen
>>128244154>even in his case it wasn't automatic, he was threatened with being a has-been in the early 50sThat proves the OP's point. Most singers of his generation were able to adapt to the 50s era of housewife pop and whitened R&B covers but by the time the Beatles came they were getting too old to keep up with the changing times.
plenty of 70s guys failed to adapt to the 80s even, you think Styx or Bad Company or Nugent remained at all relevant?
I like thinking about fame, its fleeting. musicians burn bright, then people get sick of them. then maybe later there is nostalgia and they become a legacy act. then they become so old no one cares anymore.Like even now, pop stars that were big in the 2010s like katy perry, kesha, rhianna, etc. couldnt keep it up
>>128241837Ozzy like Sinatra was an institution who transcended mere music fads.
There's the other case of a guy like Paul McCartney who is a living legend and always able to fill arenas yet only the music he made in his 20s-early 30s actually matters to anyone.
>>128244209Not Bad Company as a whole, but Paul Rodgers was always around. He's one of the best singers anywhere. He led Free before BC.. left BC then managed to have a new wavey type band in the 80s. Queen hired him as their new vocalist, but that pissed everyone off.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QloVaaHPhlI
>>128244221ozzy was an entertainer and show man, he was also lucky enough to be in the band that practically invented heavy metal, by the 90s and 2000s he had become sort of an elder statemen of metal, also a reality tv star
>>128244186Not specifically many of those pre-rock guys were still making good music into the 60s including covers of Beatles and other contemporary pop material.
in a lot of cases like Ella Fitzgerald they avoided chasing chart hits so they weren't as subject to changing fads
>>128241654Kiss' s grunge album was pretty bad ass desuhttps://youtu.be/PZczLRV3e5Y
None of the hair metal adapted to grunge as it was totally incompatible with their image, the thrash metal guys were able to a large extent to absorb grunge sounds because they were darker and angstier.
anyone else think it was funny/weird how U2 and bon jovi got a second wind in the 2000s
>>128244281A lot of thrash and grunge guys had all the same influences. Just went in different directions with it a bit.
And AC/DC...they didn't really make relevant albums after BIB but they were a huge touring band throughout the 80s. They also just did their own thing and didn't follow fads.
>>128244321For U2, not really. Anything pop friendly fared way better than rock bands of the 80s. Some of Duran Duran and Depeche Mode's albums were 90s.
>>128244327Thunderstruck was a 90s song, surprisingly. I don't care for it, but it is huge. But nothing after that.
>>128244267>>128244186The pre-rock singers who fell off the worst were the ones who were heavily identified with housewife pop. You may note that people like Peggy Lee or Tony Bennett who didn't get involved in that stuff didn't become the butt of jokes.
>>128244343You could just as easily argue The Razor's Edge was an 80s album since many will call 1990 the last year of the 80s and 91 the first year of the 90s.
I can't particularly say Hall & Oates adapted well to the 80s either as they forgot their soul roots for generic pop.
>>128244437You mean the 90s? They had cool shit in the 80s.
>>128244186then again, many 50s-early 60s guys who were much younger and not pushing middle age at the time also got knocked from their perch by the Beatles. Connie Francis was completely cooked and never managed to regain her relevance, she was probably the worst example especially considering what a major star she was in 58-64.
Ritchie won by simply not playing and just making a Renfaire band for crystal bitches.
>>128244465>never managed to regain her relevanceyeah she did
>>128244496insanely based
>>128244496And gets to fuck these fat honkers every night + some witches for rituals an shiet
>>128244465>Connie Francis was completely cooked and never managed to regain her relevance, she was probably the worst example especially considering what a major star she was in 58-64.her dad forced her to record with a bullwhip, she was no doubt completely burned out by the late 60s
>>128244555He truly did win in the end, didn't he?
>>128241654All began with a band in the 70s that was writing then took in outside writers to update their sound in the 80s. And there were no "alternative/grunge outside writers that could help them with updating their sound a third time.
>>128244209Iggy Pop...
>>128244209Bad Company post-Paul Rodgers actually did manage to reinvent themselves for MTV and had a Platinum selling album as late as 1990.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU8P2ACi4Cw&
>how did flashy bands go from being flashy to even flashier but couldn't maintain quality without being flashy?
>>128241654Because Hard Rock and Hari Metal are not exactly poles apart in musical heritage. Whereas as grunge was.
>>128241654Kiss was garbage in the 80s, Alice Cooper & Aerosmith lucked out because they used the same songwriter to come in and help them out.
>>128244209Damn Yankees?
>>128241654because being a poser in hair metal is the whole point, but the antithesis of grunge I guesshttps://youtu.be/1uGfAoz4uUE?si=uz1aDiLZHQTvsNqV
>>128241654Ozzy had hits in the 90s so did Aerosmithhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprfjfN5PRshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0siYUjV9UMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw79RVnlCb0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqcL0mjMjw
