What killed indie?
Modest Mouse going on the radio. Also Taking Back Sunday.
>>128273396the internet. indie labels have literally 0 purpose in streaming era.
>>128273396poptimism and the generalized white guilt complex whence it sprung
>>128273436Depends if OP means indie as in the classic and true sense or if OP means it in the nuevo genre sense
>Poptimism & Media Shift (Pitchfork bought by Condé Nast in 2019)>Commercialization & Genre Dilution (2000s "landfill" wave (e.g., The Wombats) bombed post-2009; Arcade Fire's Grammy win (2011) marked crossover peak, but follow-ups stagnated)>Cultural Fatigue (Self-aware "vapid" tropes (e.g., aging hipster navel-gazing) and lack of innovation; rock's broader decline favors electronic/rap)
It went mainstream in the early 2010s, arcade fire won the grammy, indie was in ipod and car commercials, it pretty much sold out. Then you got guys like foster the people and gotye.Eventually it ran out of steam and kids decided to listen to trap and edm instead.Although you still got in the mid to late 2010s shit like king kruel, mac demarco, a million mac demarco clones, and guys like cuco, gus dapperton, rex orange county, etcinto the 2020s i think its pretty much a spent force and dead though, covid didnt helpbut even rap is dying, so i dont know what the kids will turn to in the coming years
Being a white man in a guitar band with other dudes is seen as cringe
>>128273396Widespread homosexuality among indie artists and fans. We failed to breed and eventually died out like the onions-chugging hipsters we are. It's for the best.
>>128273510oh yeah there was also the windmill scene with black midi and black country new road.I would also count the 1975 as a thing
>>128273396If you're a kid growing up in the 2010s, which artist seems cooler to you? Travis Scott or Arcade Fire? Exactly.
>>128273396poptimism + nobody cares about your local band
>>128273584looool both are lametravis scott fans are ugly brown people
>>128273584Arcade fire are alienatingly lame. If i were a white kid in the esrly 2010s and saw those "rock heroes" id wish for total wypipo death.
It was you and me
>>128273699they were fully lame by the 2010s but funeral was pretty cool when it came out. you had to be coming of age in the 00s to appreciate arcade fire t b h
Like what the shit is this?? What does this represent? Do i feel empowered or wanting to break shit after seeing this cirque du soleil artsy crap? Its depressing really, fuck europe as a whole
>>128273396Nothing lasts forever
>>128273747Arcade fire doesn't exist to me after funeral
>>128273747What does this have with Europe?>>128273773Neon Bible and Suburbs were still pretty good
>>128273758Soul, God, goodness, peace, light and love last foreverRegarding indie music, dont cry because its over, smile because it happened
>>128273747you have some idea like indie was the face of rock when it was actually the underground, mainstream rock in the 2000s was nu metal, pop punk, and post grunge
>>128273959Stuff like Arctic Monkeys was pretty big too
>>128273396It wasted itself in perpetual consumption of its own jangly sound, not producing anything new or groundbreakingIt became a meme genre
>>128273396The jew record execs who weren't making money off them
>>128274092rock was the top selling genre in the country, it still is but they manipulated the charts by combining the sales of rap and r&b to make rap seem more popular
>>128273787>What does this have with Europe?Bro
>>128273514Not if you're jewish.
>>128273584Seems like the perfect setup for a Mike Posner joke.
IDK, but landfill pseudo-indie pop should by definition not sell nor get lots of airplay. Indie changed from a description for an approach, to one for an aesthetic. Same shit happened to "prog" and "post-".
Mark E Smith death.
>>128273396specialization economy + the cost of living
zoomers talking shit about arcade fire… wake me up when we get a banger like this again… https://youtu.be/hv1514WChRw
It lacks of edgyness and they don’t reinvent themselves.
I can't think of a 21st century band with a bigger downfall than Arcade FireGoing from the genre icons with multiple acclaimed albums to a complete joke barely anyone cares about anymore
iron knee
>>128273396the losers who took time to actually listen to this slop now have to work and pay bills
>>128274665>white uncs being silly and uncannyWhats the message of this band, again?
>>128273396It's not what "killed" indie, it's what caused indie to rise out of the muck and thrive so briefly?And the answer is 9/11.
why do you underaged fags keep talking about "arcade fire" as if they somehow defined indieis that really all you listened to?
>>128273396Bot threads (like this one)
>>128275275I don’t get that, more like buttrock became prominent early 00s when everyone had lost their minds
>>128275302They were the most popular and acclaimed band of the era
>>128275368They're not an indie band and they came after the indie era. That makes them irrelevant on two counts.
Metallica killed indie rock because they were the most popular band of the era
>>128275388>They're not an indie bandLiterally how, they came from an indie label>they came after the indie eraWhat indie era? You are just making up stupid definitions now
Op here I completely forgot I made this thread
>>128276889based
>>128273470This. Also, Hipsters were insufferable.
>>128273396Nihilism and last men
>>128273396After all it was you and me.
half the thread talking about arcade fire while bands like strokes, the black keys, cage the elephant were out there winning the rock album grammies and championing indie, when suddenly a swamp of boomer entries like the beatles and led zeppelin and ozzy osborne somehow started winning shit from the fucking grave
>>128273396occupy wall street’s covert redirection into a blm tranny culture war is a major contributor, turned nerd culture into troon culture
>>128273396Nothing. It’s still alive. It’s just back where it belongs: being enjoyed by a relatively small amount of people. It’s not a movement that really wants big hit records. Honestly, it’s better this way. I disliked all the nu metal, pop punk, and buttrock that white people music had become by the late ‘00s, but the “indie” stuff that was picked up by the normies and soccer moms was beaten over your head every bit as much as the other hit songs.
>>128273396The internet. Indie rock was geared to college radio and fanzines, not instant access. I'd say it was dead by the early 2010s at least.
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>>128273396I don’t like mgmt but this video is cute.
>>128277216yeah really, no idea why everyone on this gay ass site talks about arcade fire, everyone i knew reveres the strokes more than any other band from that era and I literally am from and live in brooklyn
>>128274221How come jewish guys don't get in trouble for culturally appropriating african music? Paul Simon too.
>>128274914SARR YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND I AM OF CALLING YOU THE UNC!
>>128280155I don't mind Arcade Fire, I think they're pretty good. They aren't the definitive hipster band though
>>128274665this band is glorified stomp clap hey with extra steps for crusty pretentious theater children. Also the singer is a massive creep
>>128273396Low T middle class cringe
>>128273396making fun of hipsters and hating them became mainstream which led to the decline of indie and made worshipping popstars trendy again
>>128273584>>128273699There's a comment on the music video for 'The Suburbs' by Arcade Fire which says something like "this is one of the best songs ever made" and the most liked reply is someone calling him white lmao
>>128277216Who else is there? The National and Deerhunter?
>>128273396Unbearable whiteness
People just get sick of things after a while. They got sick of jazz after ~50 years, they got sick of rock after ~50 years, seems like people are getting sick of hip hop after ~50 years. Genres get stale, especially genres that start out as exciting youth culture.
>>128273396You could honestly argue that indie is the only form of rock that has survived.
>>128273396That time period right after mac demarco to the 2016 mumble rap shit. Literally whatever happenned there was the nail in the coffin.Indie "Rock" bands and the DUDE WEED garage-influenced party rock shit finally phased out.Indie chill bands were in....Thank kevin parker All pitchfork had to do was cover literally any actual rock act at the time but instead they went full cuck poptimist onions and full kendrick migos core.It was literally p4k defeating its ownself unironically.
>>128273396it was really friendly sounding and advertisers noticed and then all of a sudden every TV and radio ad sounded like 00s era beirut and devotchka and whatever ukulele glockenspiel hand claps whistling etc
Just having artists isn't enough. You need critics, commentators, facilitators, managers, etc. A thriving genre needs a whole apparatus around it.
music by and for emotional white nerds, which are referred to as “transwoman” these days
>>128273396It was too whiteIt needed to die
>>128284914Vampire Weekend, Arctic Monkeys
indie used to mean 'on an independent label' term was coopted in the Strokes era for trust fund industry plant band that is on a major label but sounds/looks a certain way
>>128288300Yes indeedy
>>128274221>>128280451Nobody else was doing what Vampire Weekend was doing. They were the Old Money aesthetic before it was cool. Their music catered to high brow tastes, upper class aspirants who embraced such things as internationalism and world consciousness which would have been at the time acceptable within the leftist milieu as this was also well before debates around "cultural appropriation" became rampant.In all senses Vampire Weekend was an exception, although superficially they may appear emblematic, simply due to the prominence they achieved via their sheer quality.
Also the aughts-2010s drama club aesthetic of Arcade Fire and all those Canadian "indie" bands was antithetical to "trad" indie which would oscillate between sincerity and irony. Theater kids got weeded out.
>>128284365normies heard shit like merriweather post pavilion and went "THIS is what they base their perceived superiority on?" which tbf is a perfectly sound reaction
I did, thank me later.
>>128273414Modest Mouse being considered indie rock (the genre) is funny since they are about two decades older than most of the other bands that are lumped into that genre.
>>128273396Existential dread
>>128290936Indie rock started in the 80s bro
>>128289222vampire weekend is just jews larping as the talking heads
>>128291055In what way are those two bands similar?
too white + too male (but not masculine) + casual overton window shift
>>128273396>What killed indie?Probably Wheezer.
>>128277216>>128280155The Strokes are my kings
>>128277216>>128280155>>128292302Where do all the stroke albums rank?
>>128292357I have all of their albums at a 7/10 or higher so it depends on my mood that day. They have a very clean discography imo. 1. Room On Fire2. Is This it3. The New Abnormal4. Comedown Machine5. Angles6. First Impressions
>>128273396What killed indie is that they never progressed beyond apeing 60s-90s underground, post punk, new wave, indie rock, college radio rock.There is nothing of value of 21 century music because it was all done better before.
>>1282924442016 elections killed it all. No fucking joke.
>>128273396>>128273510the early 10s trend of pop "indie" is to this day one of the worst things that ever happened to music and thank goodness it's overI wish a painful death to Mumford and Sons, The Lumineers, Of Monsters and Men, Kings of Leon, The Paper Kites, etc and I hope they're all now working at McDonalds where they belong
>>128275275Wrong, find the alternative rock charts for 1997-2004.It's butt-rock, mall punk, mall emo, nu-metal.Indie died in 1996, when the US government allowed companies to buy hundreds of radio stations, who went on to play the same slop, because there was one guy in charge of programming, that's why boy bands and Britney's took over top 40.
>>128292688but i thought the free market good?
>>128284365Hipsters would still be cool if they hadn't went all in with the beard wax and suspenders and hand clap, stomp, hey (having 20 people in a band playing le weird old timey instruments)
>>128292684folk pop is great, the hate is the most forced thing imaginable, agree to disagree
>>128290960I'd even go further back than that.
>>128292684kings of leon have nothing to do with any of that
>>128273436I'd say a labels like Chery Red or Slumberland are still important for their music preservation and archiving efforts. Those anthology compilations are a godsend in the streaming era.
>>128292684All of that shit really wasn't indie rock.Should've been titled NeuFolk or NeuAmericana.Indie rock was Pavement, Pixies, Built To Spill, Sebadoh, Guided By Voices, Archers Of Loaf, Polvo, Superchunk, Versus, Throwing Muses, Beat Happening, etc.The fundamentals were non-standard guitar tunings, ramshackle playing, lo-fi recording, unusual song structures, unusual time signatures, cut n paste/mostly nonsensical lyrics, and often times going into punk/noise territory.None of that shit has to do with the "indie" of the late 00s to late 10s.Rule of thumb, if girls like the music almost as much as guys (like over 20% of the live crowd is female), then that shit ain't "indie" or underground or whatever else.
>>128292849>unusual song structures, unusual time signatures,neither of these apply to most of the bands you listed.
>>128292849>if girls like the music almost as much as guys then that shit ain't "indie" hard to swallow pills
>>128292804Most britbong "indie" is absolute garbage.There's a blurb on Spotify how The Smiths were the premiere 80s indie band.Yeah no shit, when the Cherry Red and other Rough Trade acts are your competitors, that's easy to see.If you want to hear actually good 80s "indie", get into the dunedin sound from Flying Nun Records, that was the template for Pavement and the bands that came after
>>128292880Don't pretend anything from that scene is even close to the Smiths.
>>128292859Wrong, try again
>>128292896Pixies songs are almost entirely 4/4 verse/chorus/verse/chorus. same is true of superchunk and beat happening.
>>128292889That's what I just said. Learn to read.Britbong "indie" was absolute shit.Pure shit .The Wedding Present was considered high tier at the time and they're fucking awful.The Smiths had zero competition during that era in Britain.If you are referring to Flying Nun Records, no they didn't have any Smiths-tier bands but they did have very good ones, and that label's bands influenced Pavement, Sebadoh, etc.
>>128292918>no they didn't have any Smiths-tier bandsLol so you agree with me.
>>128292880did NZ have a band that came close to the Sarah records sound?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIuVEmGQPWIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=misuVKRquQghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzzADw3eYM4
>>128292918>wedding present are awfulpleb detected
>>128292901Alec Eiffel, All Over the World, Letter to Memphis, Space (I Believe in), Stormy Weather, The Happening, The Sad Punk, Vamos, all have non-standard structures, the majority of Pixies songs are also under 3 minutes which is also non-standard for radio play which is usually around 3:30.
>>128292944Yes, and I know songs from Sarah records tier bands that are even better than what you posted.Let me find some.
>>128293001>>128292944Sarah Records era, britbong indie bands that were actually good.These songs are all 10/10s.https://youtu.be/oDttbwOgC3E?si=Ol-p6jEox3FcmLJwhttps://youtu.be/aKDTtOdlgA8?si=oAe87kOVqSqmZmqhhttps://youtu.be/5KS8jUL-TjI?si=e0WM4XyWp-cSLgo7https://youtu.be/uS21SP66AcQ?si=14hT9FAS2Oz_eoyHhttps://youtu.be/FbHZRMFccpk?si=hkdhY9CQQuG-jkhHhttps://youtu.be/AjhaYc95gyM?si=HH_WKS-7vKkw8T5Zhttps://youtu.be/7yX7rROcBhI?si=2sB6obBvy4SVpK89
>>128284013>this band is glorified stomp clap heylol dumb zoom-zoom who saw a tweet… AF is closer to electro pop hence the soulwax association. in reality the closest thing around that time to “stomp hey clap” would be fiona apple who totally and completely blows current shit out the water… https://youtu.be/sTfltKWgJfw
>>128293035Please listen, Sarah Records guy, you will like
>>128293035Let me separate dis https://youtu.be/5KS8jUL-TjI?si=e0WM4XyWp-cSLgo7https://youtu.be/uS21SP66AcQ?si=14hT9FAS2Oz_eoyH
>>128293035I already knew most of these, I'd maybe add the Weather Prophets, Bob, Chesterfields, Pale Fountains, Mighty Mighty, Hit Parade and Heavenly as top tier UK indie. I was hoping that you'd post that NZ stuff that compares to this.
>>128293035>>128292944Here's the Flying Nun/dunedin bands that are good and helped spurn on American Indie rock (Pavement, etc )https://youtu.be/oV_TMB2RtTA?si=Nyx4AjGXUbETXDF4https://youtu.be/P96cFKd4irY?si=7VZeuya5GGjGpUfNhttps://youtu.be/7tf1wzg4rdE?si=bJQEVBtfJMjCppkKhttps://youtu.be/xC4SX4c50Ig?si=QGJmU3gIwG-I0MJ9https://youtu.be/rwqahYs4SJI?si=bWtWR8GBTML8nM75
>>128293087Here >>128293089
>>128293110Thanks, some good picks there.
>>128289222I will still never listen to them, no matter what
>>128293116I got more.American jangle indie of the 80s.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ2Cdw8THX8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKSg3zFB2dEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z4k_qoaTtkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTS6FM6sxHcenjoy. have a good night/day
>>128273396low testosterone
>>128280451don't go down that rabbit hole.
>>128293154Got some for you, for your efforts ITThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O14Hi4dreA4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsz4Lef4tAYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmoMagv98mYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHBEHFSulCIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXNTnZhMinshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B52333rnIUA
>>128293230>>128293087just go all in on Versus, I had an ex-girlfriend who said they sound like every indie band whenever I played them, she was a bitch.They DO sound like every indie band though. The Smiths crossed with the PIXIES, never quite reaching the highest highs but EXCELLENT none the less.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZjjxNyPaP4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POrkqP6gUAQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn4W2lPsmvAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM0ljWjGobEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL7VHpo83zMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9C080JGVdghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8h0XsXVXMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGd1fwJD18ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=614zxMvDFj0
If The Beatles came out today they’d be indie
MODEST MOUSE is what caused the downfall of indie. Johnny Marr was asked to jam with them to see if they could work together, went in, and he was like there's a bunch of weird musicians on the session, extra percussion, accordion, horns, etc.See, Issac thought the Elephant 6 collective was cool. so he wanted a version of them in his band.Then a bunch of high school and college kids saw MM with this shit and they thought it was the coolest thing eva, not knowing the why or the history of course, so 5 to 10 years later you see all of these shitty "indie" stomp. clap, hey bands copying the MM of 2007.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1WdDuKF1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvlcA2h8fFwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kdFE7w4uNU
>>128273396its still alive
Archers Of Loaf are the best "indie" band of all time. "indie" died in 1998, when they broke up.Lo-fi noise pop in the vein Pavement, Mac Demarco, and Guided By Voiceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmspZ9s4XLwAngry breakup rock with cathartic moments years before the Dismemberment Plan And Sunny Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3X6bn5uBl4Atnhemnic noise punk and post hardcore before Modest Mouse and Refusedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EloCmSqiDLsPiano ballad about weird sea shit before the indiefolk and freak folk of the 00-10shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP_pw7AUtaMKrautrock revival in 90shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd2xPHOxMCELo-fi Electronicahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QrDOGcZDowNothing sounds the same from song to song other than the vocalist.
From the day indie was called indie, there was an effort to kill indie. Today the effort to kill indie is put in to motion and is effective, the exact plan conceived 30 years ago... because indie had a 30 year run from the late 80s or early 90s to the late 2010s or early 2020s. The fact is their plan just didn't work and indie is impossible to cover up, but they will still try as if it were possible to cover up. Who is "they"? i don't know something like a really boring version of QAnon run by a religious organization with old fashioned values and is generally speaking anti-art, I hypothesize only from context clues.
butts are stuinly
sorry, it was me
>>128273396OWS
Indie was never indie, just the logical next step of rock music, but it got pigeonholed into a fake genre that faded
>>128294098NO, "indie" was a genre for music critics and gatekeeping hipster college kids who didn't want to be associated with mainstream "alternative rock" ie: grunge, poppunk, buttrock, jambands, nuMetal, etc.For instance, Pavement told Smashing Pumpkins to fuck off in a song.Grunge, poppunk, buttrock, jambands, nuMetal, were sell-out shit that little kids listened to, "indie" was for college kids and critics to listen to in le secret.
>>128293687Indie as in the genre from what I remember was a rebrand of less extreme alternative. Alternative was grunge and punk and stuff like that after around 1990, that wasn’t fm radio rock. That’s sort of how things were sorted genre by genre in the 90s before indie there was the charts, rock (classic rock), pop, country, metal, jazz, classical, alternative
>>128273396>mgmt>indiehuh ?
>>128297118how were they not indie at the time that video was filmed
Upupiies
You know we talked this shit to death WHILE indie's been dying over the years. Blame EDM, Taylor Swift, festival lineup changes to pop and rap, cancel culture, the pandemic lockdowns.. But I think indie's currently on a surprising upswing where the public at large is going to be more open to hearing actual instruments again. All of the synth music has been great the past 10 years, synth funkpop and all of it, but it's true there's no physical body to the sound, just special FX and tonal buzzing. An actual instrument recorded with a microphone, played live by a person, there's a lot more there for a listener. You'll see, organic's gonna be on the comeback.
So the major label / independent distinction means absolutely nothing to zoomies, huh?
>>128297118not really an accurate term for an alt pop rock band but oh well
>>128300794>thinks they are talking to a zoomieWelcome I guess
>>128300537>An actual instrument recorded with a microphone, played live by a person, there's a lot more there for a listener. You'll see, organic's gonna be on the comeback.most of what you are saying is stuff other people have said about other dead genres of music. i have read something similar many times on the Hoffman forum about ROCK making a comeback... any... day... now. still remember some boomer saying... i just know there is a group of teens practicing in a garage somewhere that is gonna ignite ROCK again! just you wait and see!!! its not happening. its over.
>>128300537Could happen. Or we may plunge to new chambers of disembodied digital mirages.
