The great debate
15 years ago there was no debate and everyone understood that MOP was the best Metallica LP and maybe the best metal record of all time. For some reason, after Fantano started saying RTL was the GOAT Metallica album in like 2015, newgens started aligning with that position on RYM, despite RTL having Escape (their most mid song from the first 4 albums). MOP is also much more progressive, balanced, varied and better produced than RTL, so that's that.
>>128336091Go track for track and RTL just doesn't stack up. Ride has the better ballad for sure and Bell Tolls is a bit better than Thing that Should not be, but otherwise it's either about a tie or Ride gets trounced
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for me ride the lighting bc its the first one i heard. they say mop is the best though
MOP is RTL part 2, longer but not better
>>12833612925 years ago anyone actually into metal agreed that Kill Em All was the actual best and also everyone thought Justice was worse than Black Album and generally agreed that St. Anger was better than Load/Reload.Always generally liked Lightning better than Puppets personally.
>>128336091RTL has coarser production and songs are a bit more primitive, but it has that 80s metal exploitation sound. Some like it for the rawer more underground metal sound.MoP has sleek production and more polished/sophisticated songs, it sounds more like a classic than a cult band album. RTL would have become a cult album if Metallica never made it big.
>>128336129Fantano prefers MOP and gave it a 10
>>128336091St. Anger is the answerLulu has been ingrained in my head as a generation spanning masterpiece for a long while but if you let the internet white paste hipster faggots at Condé Nast shape your opinion it takes all the fun out of MetallicaOne is my favorite old Metallica cut, on vinyl. The narrative about ptsd in war veterans is profound and speaks to the song being a cry for survival The guitar solo is screaming eagle American flag "We'll kill for our freedom" type of vibe LOVE
the great debate
>>128336938Dirt
>>128336377St Anger isn't 25 years old yet
>>128336938Facelift is more consistent
>>128336091RTL guitar tone >>> MOP guitar tone
>>128336979That's how much better it was.
>>128336938Iron Gland, Godsmack, and Sickman are fillers
MoP is more polished sounding, but RtL is more evocative of the youth & energy of a band still in their *ahem* garage days: gritty & raw.fight fire < batteryride = puppetsbell tolls > should not befade to black > sanitariumunder ice < disposable heroes (only just)escape = leper messiah (both lame filler)creeping death > damage incktulu = orion (musicals are gay tho so cancel each other out)final scoreRtL : 3MoP : 2tie : 3Ride the Lightning just barely ekes out a win. Well done!
>>128336091MOP but the best song across both is for whom the bell tolls from RTL >>128336938come on man it's so obviously dirt
>>128336938>filtered by godsmack and sickman Pleb ears
>>128336091Black Album>RTL>Kill em all>MOP>Hardwired>AJFA>Reload>Load>Stanger>>128336938Dirt>Facelift>ST>BGWTB>TDPDH>Rainier Fog
>>128337064Facelift is heavier sludgy much closer to shoegaze noisiness, Dirt is much more melodic and song writing based specific to Lane Staley's addictionsThat's if you listen on good analog equipment, remastered digital Facelift is brick walled and you wouldn't tellLike listening to My Bloody Valentine on shitty phone speakers takes most of the fun away
>>128337280Disposable Heroes is the best song on MOP
>>128337848>same chug-a-chug riff for 20 minutesI'm thinking not.
RTL has 3 good songs and a bunch of ok songs, MOP Is the better album as an album and has probably the best side A of any metal album ever
>>128337968the thing that should not be is garbage. one of their worst 80s songs
>>128336091MOP is redundant
>>128337983Thing that should be is one of the best doom metal songs ever, and they weren't even a doom band
>>128337968>rtl>bell>fade to bleck>creeping deathI count four
RTL > MOP > BLACK ALBUM > AJFA > LOAD > RELOAD > KILL EM ALLsure i missed something but that's where i stand
>>128337857>musically illiterateBut we knew that from the original post
>>128336129dead-balls wrong RTL mogs MOP
>>128338240I'd put the Garage Days EP between MOP and the Black Album.and Kill Em All after the Black album. WTF it's better than Reload
>>128338240this is bait
>>128338438never overestimate Metallica fans
>>128338422Escape is mid and MOP has no bad songs; simple as.
>>128338477the thing that should not be is a plodding filler and leper messiah only has the bridge.
>>128338600lol no, The Thing That Should Not Be is second best after MOP. Leper Messiah is the weakest song in the album, but still a 8/10.
>>128337280Leper Messiah is neither lame nor filler
>>128337983if Black Sabbath wrote it, everyone would call it a classic>>128338209this
>>128338438why, because Kill em All is last?
>>128338839>is the weakest song in the album, but still a 8/10.true. this is what a lot of zooms don't seem to understand. they can't comprehend an album full of great tunes and feel compelled to find a weakness. they will disregard an 8/10 track as worthless because the other songs are 9's or 10's. it's sad they can't enjoy the whole album for what it is, lesser moments and all.
>>128339184zoomers don't listen to full albums anon
>>128339239except some of them do
MoP > RtL > AJFA > everything else
The only song I never liked on mop is Sanitarium for some reason. It always seemed a little cringe.
>>128339515It's the weakest one, it's carried by the psychadelic guitar melody but the heavy riffing is weak and uninspired, so the last half doesn't really work
the weakest song on Master of Puppets, The Thing that Should Not Be is still stronger than anything on AJFA or KEA
>>128339515>>128341191Sanitarium is great fix your ears
I'm just going to come out and say it:Escape is genuinely my favorite Metallica song.
>>128341284why's that anon?
>>128336938Facelift when you're on cocaine, Dirt when you're on heroin.
>>128338209>>128339124my guyshttps://youtu.be/8q9p4TgPP3s
>>128338433Kill Em All is their best album after MoPRTL comes thirdGarage fourthThen it's AJFA and black album
Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and Black Album are all 10/10 in my book. first time I heard all of them was 15 years ago.
>>128345462lol black album ain't no perfect 10 son
>>128345512it is for me and surely for plenty of other people. the album is so iconic and important I can't help. no, saying this is a 'singles' or 'soft' album is incorrect in every way possible.
>>128345512i can't name a bad song off it
>>128336091WELCOME TO WHERE TIME STANDS STILLNO ONE LEAVES AND NO ONE WILLMOON IS FULL NEVER SEEMS TO CHANGEJUST LABELLED MENTALLY DERANGED
For me RTL is the better album. I like more straight-forward powerful music like rtl. MoP is more proggy,pretentious and self-indulgent
>>128336091I don't feel very passionate about neither. I guess I like Master of Puppets more, but Ride the Lightning has higher highs because of the opening track. I prefer the debate over picrel, since I do feel passionate about both of them.
>>128345915Symbolic
>>128345630it is decidedly softer than the previous albums though>>128345739nothing else matters
>>128345877>MoP is more proggy,pretentious and self-indulgentthat's what i don't like about AJFA. MoP gets away with this pretty well imo.
>>128345915my thoughts are that Individual Thought Patterns is underrated
>>128346038slower, not softer. which still puts it in the heavy metal zone, and there was nothing wrong with wanting to vary a little bit to catch a wider audience without stopping being themselves, and in the process changing the genre forever.doing the same thrash thing over and over again like AC/DC does with their hard rock would be the wrong direction for the moment they decided to make the album.not saying that every change will always end in good results, I still shit on Load/Reload and St. Anger, but in the case of Black Album they did it with an outstanding precision and mastery
Don't need to "debate" shit. They're both great for different reasons and I enjoy both.
>>128346151for me they lost a lot in that variation, it's still above average just not great like their first three albums. It's not a complete smoothing down but there's enough of the corners smoothed out for it to be an issueI don't have a problem with the occasional slower song to break things up but not when it's as sappy as they put it across, nothing else matters is geniunely unlistenable and a skip for me and I don't think there was ever any danger into sinking to ac/dc levels anyway, they wete always lyrically tighter than them in their prime
>>128337280For me, it's as followsFight Fire with Fire = BatteryRide the Lightning = Master of PuppetsFor Whom the Bell Tolls > The Thing That Should Not BeFade to Black <<<< Welcome Home (Sanitarium)Trapped Under Ice = Disposable HeroesEscape > Leper MessiahCreeping Death > Damage Inc.Ktulu > OrionIn terms of tracks, RtL is better but "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)" alone is better than much of both albums. It's hard for me to say, but I marginally prefer RtL on account of its overall quality, but MoP's killer track alone stands head and shoulders above the rest. Its only rival is "For Whom the Bell Tolls".
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