>literally the richest musician in the world>most nominated grammys out of any rapper>most platinum albums out of any rapper>is always overshadowed by Eminem, Tupac, Biggie, Lil Wayne etc. in discussionWhy is this?
>>128339482We smokin dicks no homo
>>128339482Very inconsistent discography.
he's too pop rap for rap nerds
>>128339482>most nominated grammys out of any rapper>most platinum albums out of any rapperThe awards he bought and paid for?
>>128339482I always saw him as being on another level to be honest, and I don't even care for his music. He's one of those people that grew beyond his music and just became a public figure divorced from it, he's the Paul McCartney of rap
Like Snoop he stopped doing gangsta tracks after the first few albums and became a brand name.
>>128339482Literally nobody thinks Lil Wayne is better than Jay Z lol put down the crack pipe
godzilla, sasquach, king kong, loch ness
>>128339580i do
>>128339580I do and he is.
>>128339580Lil Wayne is objectively better than Gay Z and you know it.
>>128339529i'd rather listen to fuckin pitbull than jay-z
>>128339630Pitbull is basedDale
He's always been hyped to fuck by the NYC media machine even though he never had much of an actual fanbase outside NYC.
>>128339580I sure do
>>128339630come on now he's not THAT bad
HOV DID THAT SO HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT
>>128339482I don't know, niggaz are just sleeping on him for some reason.Imo, Reasonable Doubt is a top 10 rap release from the 90s, and The Blueprint and The Black Album are equally top 20 rap records from the 00s. I think it might have to do with saturation and people being sick of him and Bey's face being everywhere in the world.A rare case of a dude being completely brilliant musically yet underrated musically, but simultaneously being overhyped as a persona with all of the Hov / performance art type shit things that he has done over the years. I think anons ITT should listen to Reasonable Doubt right now, as it is a 10/10 record.
The Dynasty: Roc La Familia [Def Jam, 2000]His arrogance is earned, but that doesn't make it interesting, especially since his whine isn't--the same habit of childish self-pity that generated cognitive dissonance when he was coming up on the snazziest swizzbeats in the kingdom is annoying pathology with knockoff protégés sending in productions by cellular. And wouldn't Memphis Bleek be more, I dunno, affecting contributing a few answering-machine cameos, from upstate maybe? Right, "Jigga" 's still got "skills." So does LL Cool J, whose more accomplished record means nothing to nobody. This is a major falloff, a lazy cash-in no matter who won't admit it. B
>>128339534this, he’s a forced meme just like beyonce, it just worked more with her
>kanye can make songs praising hitler and sucking his cousin’s dick and younger people still like him more than jay z
>>128339788uggh, how can we forget the annoying trend of answering machine skits on HH albums back then
>>128339816Jay just isn't overwhelmingly interesting, he mostly brags about how rich he is and he's not relatable in any way and neither is his honey. Neither of them feel exactly human.
His “business negro” persona is cornball and while he has talent he’s always been boosted by better artists and producers.
>>128339849as Cuckgau said by the time he'd "made it" his schtick already sounded kinda forced and unbelievable
>>128339482true rap fans listen to 2pac, biggie, snoop, etc. pop rap fans listen to eminem, drake, lil wayne, or whatever the current monthly popular artist is. jay-z is in neither group, he's basically the elevator music of rap. also his voice sounds retarded and annoying.
>>128339849>His “business negro” persona is cornball andmind you the real richfag Bill Gates types will never really accept a black guy as their equal no matter how many beachfront houses he has. he'll always be token black that they humor.
>>128339874>pop rap fans listen to eminem, drake, lil wayneFiddy, etc.
>>128339874>jay-z is in neither group, he's basically the elevator music of rap. also his voice sounds retarded and annoying.Maybe like the first two albums when he was coming up and still connected to the streets but anything after that is hip-hop Muzak.
>>128339874Ditto Nas for the list of "cred" rappers.
>>128339939and yeah Snoop left the streets behind after the first 2 or so albums too but at least he became America's funny pot smoking movie cameo guy
>>128339718the only jay-z song i like it is can i get a fuck you.
>>128339874and Kanye is somehow in both groups
>>128339788This album was a bridge between the early gangsta stuff and The Blueprint when he became a corporate whore who just raps about his beachfront houses.
>>128339987Reminder that Snoop actually killed people and was on trial for it but they left him off in exchange for snitching.
>>128339816Kanye was somehow very effective at tapping into the 2010s trend of it being cool to air out your mental illnesses.
>>128339891"even if you in a benz you still a nigga, in a coupe" :-(
>>128339891Just like they don't really accept Oprah Winfrey despite her mansion and its solid gold toilet seats.
>>128339641this>MR WORLDWIDEEEEEE
>>128339482Shouldn't have used that bitch as a punching bag
>>128339482He was never that good. He sold his soul and was clearly pushed by the machine. Nas destroyed him and made him look real bad.
>>128339891still nigga, still niggahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM7lw0Ovzq0
>>128341033>Nas destroyed him and made him look real bad.Rundown?
>>128339482Because money doesnt equal talent retard
>>128339482he's not a good rapper.it's unironically not that deep.
>>128340778>MR. WORLDWIDE, MR. 305 DALEEEEE
Nobody listens to old rap. Rap isn't music, it's just a passing fad that gets corny over time.Does someone really listens to 80's and 90's rap? Maybe just white music journalist. Meanwhile, 60's/90's rock music is aging like fine wine.
>>128344653>Rap isn't music, it's just a passing fad that gets corny over time>Meanwhile, 60's/90's rock music is aging like fine wineyou think? when i was in school in the 90s we had a boomer music teacher who was always trying to make us play 60s pop like the Beatles, Beach Boys, Byrds etc and I was always like "wtf do I want with this corny old shit for?" i just wanted to go home and practice Pantera and NIN tunes on my guitar.
>>128344653Once you listen to the stuff and realize all the good parts are stolen 60s-70s R&B.
>>128344706You were just a stupid kid in school in the 90's.
>>128344653>Does someone really listens to 80's and 90's rap?sadly it still blows any 2010s rap out of the water
>>128344861Ah, yes. It's really a great listen! It’s the Roc-A-Fella, y’all! Ice me out, mack daddy! Thats da bomb, for sheezy my neezy.You don't have to pretend to like it. It's corny, anon. Nobody listens to it nowadays, it's out of touch and aged like milk.
>>128339529correct.
>>128344653This reads like a low key racist (and ignorant) take on old school hip hop.Yes, I do listen to 80s and 90s rap; in fact, one could argue the best artists are from that era (Jay, Biggie, Pac, Dre, classic Snoop, classic Em, etc.).>60's/90's rock music is aging like fine wine.Some of it, while other "classic" rock records are aging like shit. Facelift by AIC is inconsistent as fuck and full of hair metal-isms, that are, in fact, cheesy as hell. Faith No More's style of funk metal is painful to the ears, and all Beatle albums before Help! are basically of no worth whatsoever, etc. If anything, most foundational rap has aged much better than most foundational / classic rock.
>>128339482As time goes on it's pretty obvious he purchased all of his accolades, or at least rode his initial wave of popularity. Just not very talented.
>>128339482Because songs that heavily rely on sampling don't age very well.
>>128339482Evil soul
>>128346572the modern stuff is so pathetically pozzed and weak
>>128346572It's not especially aged better or worse than a lot of rock, and anyway it was all riding on the same general cultural trends/zeitgeist of the time it was made. Gangsta rap started to disappear from the mainstream in the late 00s, at the same time hard rock did, because the cultural trends were just shifting towards more faggy, effeminent sounds.
>>128339580Wayne's goated. Hes one of the best 2000s rappers
>>128340057Doubt it.What I've read is that Snoop paid gang people to tell stories about him so he could get some street cred. He's one of those niggas who bought their street cred
Because his shtick was to produce whatever sold at that particular time, he was more into business, money making not music.It was just a vehicle for escaping poverty and once he made it, he never looked back. He just kept putting out stuff to keep himself relevant as a celebrity. Status maintenance
>>128347670same as Snoop I guess. once he got himself out of the 'hood then it was w/e man, he's been a businessman ever since.
>>128348190yes
>>128339482>>128339566He's not a business man, he's a business, manlet him handle his business, man
>>128339818https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY4N9dIQno8>>128344653>>128346572Why can't they both be good?These "muh donkey vs muh" elephant tier "discussions" are corny...
>>128347642iirc he paid the crips to jump him in
>>128339874this is the most 2011 take I have ever heard.not even saying you're wrong it's just like I'm reading a post from over a decade ago
>>128350276youtube comment by a 12 year old from 2009 on a justin bieber video
>>128347642Was on trial for it and was acquittedhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-02-21-mn-38322-story.html
>>128344653Your post reeks "dirty mumbai street shitter who has no clue about western civilization."
>>128339482>>literally the richest musician in the worlddude has been fighting off bankruptcy for a year lolyou're a year behind the news, champkeep up
>>128339559>he's the Paul McCartney of rapthere is no Paul McCartney of rap.i wish there was tho, it's a stzgnent genre
>>128339482Without biggie, his existence in rap was pointless. Beyonce is a fucking joke. A BAD JOKE.
>>128339774>Bey's face being everywhere in the world.not in the world, in the US only - and even that is only media attention, not rea.she's shockingly unpopular in realityas her flop movie provedas her flop tour proved1. Drake.....................122,188,519,1732. Taylor Swift.............113,988,423,4403. Bad Bunny...............108,542,184,4994. The Weeknd.............86,158,710,2515. Justin Bieber.............65,345,546,719Ariana Grande...............60,684,181,121Ed Sheeran...................60,585,789,208Kanye West...................58,422,642,330Rihanna.........................53,372,162,705Billie Eilish.....................52,209,440,510Post Malone..................51,798,203,029Kendrick Lamar.............51,517,424,149Future............................49,101,322,473Bruno Mars...................47,986,732,141BTS...............................45,407,550,413Ozuna...........................43,432,398,808Coldplay........................42,246,505,853Nikki Minaj.....................40,178,636,937David Guetta.................38,072,008,205Lana del Rey.................37,292,264,601Daddy Yankee...............36,790,032,720Rauw Alejandro.............35,977,371,802Anuel AA.......................35,429,177,158SZA...............................34,919,333,940Lady Gaga.....................33,047,418,984Karol G..........................33,674,584,936Maroon 5.......................32,458,085,265>Beyonce......................32,147,305,321Feid...............................30,871,265,260Arijit Singh.....................30,260,850,164Olivia Rodrigo............... 24,115,114,272Pritam............................23,679,707,490Sabrina Carpenter.........19,398,864,930$uicideboy$...................19,273,428,823Arcángel........................18,962,864,163Anirudh Ravichander.....12,466,916,202ROSALÍA.......................12,284,128,796Shreya Ghoshal.............12,247,930,665A.R. Rahman.................11,681,133,266
>>128344653Anyone who cares does
Grand Puba and Lord Finesse ≥≥≥≥≥ Hov
>>128339482Selling your soul for fame and fortune doesn't mean you're going to be top dog in the eyes of everyone else, especially if you're still alive.
>>128339816What has Jay-Z even released since Drunk In LoveKanye steady puttin stuff out
>>128351115You're insane if you think Beyonce is unpopular because of streaming numbers.
>>128350890She stopped having any reason for her existence after 2008.
>>128350715yeah they let him get away with murder in exchange for snitching
>>128352614Drunk In Love?
>>128352485>Kanye steady puttin stuff outobviously he's a lot younger than Jay and started his recording career way later. big dif. between putting out your first album in 96 versus 2004.
I can name one jay-z songSame for p diddy
>>128352666also his parents were middle class and he didn't grow up in the hood anyway, mf-er had an Amiga when he was a kid that he composed music on when even most white people didn't have a home computer.
>>128352523and you think she's popular because she's shilled non-stop by American media --- and this makes you the sane one? lolanother set of numbers:Beyonce Tour movie: $36.1 millionTaylor Swift Tour movie: $249.6 million
>>128354089Yes. Just because she's not as big as Taylor doesn't mean she's unpopular. Drake is the most streamed artist on Spotify yet Beyonce beats him in tour revenue and attendance easily, and sells much more physical albums than him, which make her more money than streams ever will.
>>128354124She's not "unpopular", just in comparison the the hype and claims of the US press.they have been pushing her HARD for 20 years.it's weird, don't you think?you don't see them shilling like that for Celine Dion or Madonna or Mariah Carey.why Beyonce?
>>128339816Kanye is popular because he’s genuine. While everyone was busy being family friendly on TV he was doing weird shit like saying George Bush hates black people. Jay Z just comes across as a businessman. I don’t think anyone cares about him as a person because he doesn’t really have anything to say
>>128354212Two reasons. One because she has infinite money and connections due to her family and husband and is able to get a lot of headlines and positive press because of that. Two because she sings and performs extremely well and she knows it, which is why she makes the most out of the spotlight and that causes the media to praise her and for her to have "viral" moments. You can argue that she's not as popular as the media portrays her as, but she's definitely a permanent A list star.
>>128340057>Reminder that Snoop actually killed people oh shit this dude really thinks Snoop is a true gangsta and not one of those fake ass studio gangstas hahaha
>>128354218he said that George Bush "doesn't care about" black people, not "hates" black people
>>128339482Fake accolades
>>128340057His bodyguard killed someone
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>>128354589He wasn't in a hurry to help them (and white and asian and hispanics) during Katrina
>>128339482Looks like he's sucking on a turd that had one end left out in the sun to decompose while the other was shadedSun breaks down poop quick as dogs tend to shit all over the placeJay & his dogs should stop pooping all over the place
>>128360833he probably thought that george bush could do more than he could do
>>128344653>Meanwhile, 60's/90's rock music is aging like fine wine.Kek, that's some good b8
