Why did prog rock trigger so many people? (critics and others who drank the hateraid) Is it really necessary to limit yourself to 90 second 3 chord punk songs?
>>128485519Prog fans are weird smelly neckbeards who look like the Gentle Giant guy.
>>128485519prog rock is amazing and we need to make songs longer again. this less than 3 mintues crap is driving me insane.songs must have that part where it touches your soul and many pop slop songs aint doing it. The other mistake modern musicians are making is they are not telling the instruments talk, and i dont mean all songs require guitar solos like in the 80s, I mean all songs require a melodical appreciation part if they made a good instrumental arrangement in the first place.
15 minute noodling doesn't equate to good songs is why
>>128485541ok, but they make amazing music who cares. All rockstars smell bad, they are sweating all over the venue.
>>1284855193 chord punk came after prog. And partly as a reaction to it and other 70s stuff they didn't like. Rock had stopped becoming just fun music for kids to express themselves. But not just prog pissed them off.
There was a time, not so long ago, that it was "fashionable", "hip" and "cool" to hate prog rockWhy? just because Rolling Stone magazine and other media, narrow-minded and larger than life "critics" hated it. And the same ones overrated Punk rock and New Wave to deathFortunately people finally woke up, made up their minds and appreciated one of the most exciting musical genres ever.Prog Rock was not about attitude, was not about image, was not about "sex, drugs & rock and roll". In short, wasn't about that stuff corporate media love to sell. It was first and foremost, about MUSIC
>>128485554But 3 chord punk morphed into post(prog) punk before the 70s even endedHow did that end up happening?
>>1284855693 chord punk is what teenagers with low skill do in the garage and its fine that has a place in söyciety as these young punkers / rockers grow up they must learn how to actually play beyond that though and many bands that have lasted long actually did do that. So I'm not mad at 3 chord punk. I'm just mad that people are no longer really trying to push the art of music further from amateur level.
Too wanky for some. The bands taking themselves too seriously is also a turn-off. Prog sounds cool on paper but I've never gotten into it except for occasional moments. The only prog albums I have the patience to listen to all the way through are A Trick of The Tail and Wind and Wuthering, I always found Gabriel-era Genesis way too tedious for me. I do like Steve Hackett's guitar though.
the media invented an artificial punk vs prog war in the 70s
>>128485519The reason prog got a bad rap is its fanbase. It was always listened to by kids who had a smug superiority complex and thought basic rawk was beneath them.
Are there any female prog guitarists/groups other than Angel in Heavy Syrup
>>128485612The elitist snobbery of many prog fans is indeed annoying and indefensible, but don't we often see the same kinds of attitudes on the part of many punk fans, a kind of reverse snobbishness? Some of the more rigidly orthodox fans only value a particular kind of rough and ready aesthetic approach and they turn their nose up at anything that goes off the beaten path.
Other than Jethro Tull it never did anything for me and Rush sums up the genre: Good musicians who have nothing to actually say
>>128485519I was watching a video of Yes concert from the 70s and thought my gosh what a noodling contorted mess. Literally sounded like everyone was just playing whatever the most complicated thing they could play all at the same time.
>>128485622snobbery related to perceived intellectual superiority is pretty much the most irritating form of snobbery. which puts kids who only really have their book smarts going for them in the position where they can't toot their own horn without making enemies of out of everyone else
>>128485631t. has never heard a Rush album
There are a lot of reasons prog gets shit on>they believe rock should just like like Ted Nugent tier basic party music about girls and rocking out>or that it's not supposed to have complex passages or song structures>others don't have the attention span for it>some don't like it because prog musicians can play instruments way better than they canIt's quite funny how critics would often have a double standard for jazz and prog where they found nothing wrong with a 10 minute Art Blakey drum solo but when ELP did it they were worse than Hitler.
>>128485631is like Iron Maiden. also good musicians who never really said anything.
>>128485554>And partly as a reaction to itThis is a myth pushed by music journalists. There wasn't really a feud between prog rock and punk rock. In fact you can find more quotes from 70s punk musicians praising prog than ripping it.The dislike was only one way (a lot of prog rock musicians really didn't like punk rock), but it wasn't really anything outspoken.
>>128485569They all went more in the Bowie, Roxy, and Eno direction than straight prog. Since they were glam, they were more respected than punk, I guess.
>>128485589how interesting because I had no problem with Genesis and they clicked with me right away even the 22 minute Supper's Ready, but I found that a lot of prog from Yes to Caravan completely filtered me
>>128485612>>128485622A lot of prog rock's "snobbery" stereotypes came from prog metal fans and neo-prog fans, which for whatever reason trickled down into stereotyping prog fans in general. The "neckbeard prog fan with his head up his ass" was a dream theater and tool thing.
I think it's human nature to favor accessible, catchy music. Even classical composers would often divide their work between the accessible pieces and ones made for musicians.
For me it's not so cut and dried. There's some prog I love, particularly Yes and other prog I just can't get into like ELP and the majority of neo prog bands.
>>128485685I don't hate Maiden and can certainly sit through their albums but I wouldn't call them my favorite band at all because they're just not direct/melodic enough for me and come off as musical wallpaper to a large extent.
>>128485589You know what's weird, outside of KC and Floyd, the bands are pretty chill guys
>>128485696Johnny Rotten made this shirt famous. He wasn't a journalist.
In the US at least, I am convinced that with your typical published music critic, it still all boils down to which cliques they didn't get along with in high school. They don't hate Yes or Rush so much as they simply had a distaste for the people that they remember enjoying that music, and they still won't grow up and let go of it.
>>128485756that's not fair, we're talking the adult well-past-high-school critics shitting on the stuff in the 70s
Now I don't hate Yes while acknowledging they do have some wankery. Tried Brain Salad Surgery and gave up halfway through side one. Absolute wank bullshit; they're just flexing their playing skills and have nothing to actually say.
What are most over the top and bombastic examples of oldschool prog rock?
Yes to me is ear rape. King Crimson puts me to sleep. There are a lot of individual punk bands I can't stand either. Both have their good and bad.
>>128485622I remember reading an interview with Earth, Wind & Fire's keyboardist and he was talking about how much he and his peers prided themselves on their musicianship back then, and when you listen all those EW&F records from that time, you will hear nothing but excellent musicians.I just find it weird how a high standard of rock musicianship is looked down upon by certain people. Nobody would dare do that with classical, jazz or even soul and funk music in it's heyday. It's like everything has to be basic, rough and minimalistic or it's no good.
>>128485786Larks Tongue in Aspic
>>128485786https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1evu2YMhJ2Q
On a sidenote, Johnny and Gilmour both loved Kate Bush. She's the great equalizer and brings warring clans together.
>>128485519You shouldn't make 20 minute songs if they suck (like 3/4 of the songs on this album)
>>128485622>>128485612>>128485589You wouldn't get it, not being pretentious here, but likely you just lack the patience, I think prog is kino. Sounds good, its beautiful, melodic, jazzy in some parts that's all that matters imo.If you don't have even an hour to appreciate Prog Rock I get it (who the hell is this much of a wage slave though), who is really that busy anyway? Especially if he or she is a musician? You really cannot let music move you and make you dream of other places hidden within your psyche? Likely you 100% can and you should if music is your job.I'm glad I'm able to enjoy stuff like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx-0BmYg5Z8https://bloodincantation.bandcamp.com/album/absolute-elsewhere
why don't i like prog? let me count the ways.>the lyrics are usually abstract, meaningless fantasy or sci fi bullshit there's nothing there you can identify with on a personal or human level>it usually doesn't rock hard enough>high prevalence of falsetto singers like Jon Anderson, which always grate on me>also this kind of sense that prog is implying rock is for caveman brutes and needs to be improved on with pseudo-classical wank>theatrical to the point of being ridiculous
>>128485824>I just find it weird how a high standard of rock musicianship is looked down upon by certain people.Like I said from the start, it began as music for kids. And not much barrier to entry to get what you need to say off your chest. Having all of these wankers turn it into a high level sport kind of sucks. Same reason why Kurt Cobain needed to press the reset button on 80s wankers.
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>>128485853Some of the song titles can be pretty stupid. KC are cool but they do have their share of cringy song names.>Prince Rupert Awakes>Bolero The Peacock's Tale>The Battle of Glass TearsI think even Robert Fripp once said Prince Rupert should have stayed in bed that day.
>>128485853>>the lyrics are usually abstract, meaningless fantasy or sci fi bullshit there's nothing there you can identify with on a personal or human level>>it usually doesn't rock hard enoughWorking Man is Rush's best song.. It fucking rocks. And it's the first album and has none of the above.
>>128485853I think Chuck Berry, Al Green or Smokey Robinson all beats concepts albums about armadillos or The Seasons Of Man replete with "suites, "passages" and math problem time signatures any day.
>>128485885i see you Christgau
>>128485853>>the lyrics are usually abstract, meaningless fantasy or sci fi bullshit there's nothing there you can identify with on a personal or human level>Pic Related: You are a 5 >Doesn't let the melody generate unique thoughts in his brain>>it usually doesn't rock hard enough>Subhuman mindset doesn't venture outside hard rock to find beauty everywhere in melody>>high prevalence of falsetto singers like Jon Anderson, which always grate on me>doesnt appreciate falsetto>>also this kind of sense that prog is implying rock is for caveman brutes and needs to be improved on with pseudo-classical wank>Nobody said this ITT>>>theatrical to the point of being ridiculous>Doesn't appreciate Artistry except if it's Queen or Led ZeppelinSir you have no sovl.
>>128485785>Tried Brain Salad Surgery and gave up halfway through side one. Absolute wank bullshit; they're just flexing their playing skills and have nothing to actually say.I'm not the biggest ELP booster in the world--I like some of their stuff but they represent some of the worst excesses of the genre at times--but honestly, I don't know if Keith Emerson thought to himself one day, "How can we make this rock & roll thing a little more respectable?" I get the impression that he genuinely liked rock, jazz and classical and was interested in finding ways to meld them together, combining the raw aggression of rock with the subtle sophistication of classical. Prog emerged at a point when there were all sorts of new possibilities cropping up within popular music, with psychedelia opening the door to new influences like Indian music, avant garde or classical touches.
>>128485785There's a reason no one cares about ELP anymore.
>>128485902You might be right or there might have been a psychological thing underpinning it -- how can we make rock and roll "better"? I dunno. Maybe I shouldn't try to read too much into it and certainly painting everyone in the genre's work with a broad brush is bound to be inaccurate. I do get an overriding sense that in the prog aesthetic there a notion that there's something "better" about the music for its greater degree of difficulty to play, its more intricate harmony, its highbrow sources. I mean in the history in something like ELP covering Copeland's "Hoe-Down" which is just an orchestral rewrite of the old-time fiddle number "Bonaparte's Retreat" -- it's this multi-tiered dressing up of the folk source.
>>128485671In my experience, lovers of jazz are as elitist as lovers of prog. The fact is, I've seen the term "genius" thrown around more often than I care to remember with regards to musicians like Braxton and Taylor.
Prog Rock is literally a worship of existence in musical form. I feel bad for people that can't be moved by it's beauty.
>>128485853>>also this kind of sense that prog is implying rock is for caveman brutes and needs to be improved on with pseudo-classical wankThis is a myth. Every single relevant prog band from the 1970s liked regular rock music. I don't even know where you pulled this from? If anything the reason why prog rock exists in the first place was because the original prog rock bands wanted to prove that rock could push boundaries and be innovative since music journalists at the time were primarily jazz snobs, art music snobs, classical and chamber music snobs who looked down on rock as low brow music.
>>128485853the first is a big one. it's easy for people to connect with love or relationship songs. i can think of very few prog songs that i can connect with on a personal level. KC's "Fallen Angel" is a rare example of one. Genesis has some clever writing here and there but I can't say I ever really felt anything from listening to them. I can't think of a single Jon Anderson lyric that adds to my enjoyment of a Yes song, other than as a source of unintentional amusement.
Tutorial on how to appreciate Prog>pic related
Zep, Sabbath, and Deep Purple were the right mix of 70s rock with great chops. It didn't have to go wank mode more than that.
Maybe I should elucidate. Virtuosity isn't an issue because I enjoy 20th century classical composers like Schoenberg and Stravinsky. It's the smug self-congratulatory nature of it. It's the themes. It's the vagueness of it. The virtuosity feels gratuitous and more in service to ego than to the music. I also don't like the bombast. Or the costumes. Or the sound of Moog synthesizers. I also don't like Wagner. Or concept albums about misunderstood geniuses.
>>128485951The only classic prog group i can think of that didn't actually like rock music and even talked down on rock was Magma
>>128485973>It's the smug self-congratulatory nature of itit insists on itself and the fans are pretentious fags who resemble the Gentle Giant guy and think they're better than everybody else.
I listen to a lot of Dave Holland's music. A lot of it is written in asymmetrical, unusual and shifting time signatures, and I'm constantly amazed at how easily the musicians in his bands -- and lots of younger musicians today -- swing effortlessly in this unusual time signatures. But as interesting and wonderful and involving and exciting as that music is, it's not any more interesting or exciting or involving or wonderful than, say, a Ramones record. They're equally involving, just in different ways.BTW, the first gen prog rockers -- those who developed the style -- didn't grow up listening to prog rock, obviously, because it didn't exist yet. it was some kind of new or hybrid form they created by wedding influences from multiple sources. There's no doubt that took substantial conscious thought.
>>128485974To be fair they don't consider themselves prog either.
>>128485973>I also don't like Wagner.lol pleb
>>128486010While we're at it, my cousin saw the Ramones booed and jeered at CBGB's back in the day. There's a lot of revisionist history surrounding punk and believe me lots of those bands got bashed by critics.
>>128485935Jazz people used to deride rock as stupid caveman music that required no skill to play. Rock people used to deride jazz as pretentious. Jazz people used to deride jazz musicians they felt weren't good enough players.
>>128485867>song is nominally about Jesus>lyrics are AHHH AH AH AAHH AH AH HAwhat did they mean by this?
Corporate Rock - fans of those bands often get very defensive about the derision they perceive.Probably a lot of the same sentiment among Yacht Rock fans, too. Genres that haven't gotten much critical respect tend to be in this category.
>>128486112chants are used a lot in church musicwww.youtube.com/watch?v=36Y_ztEW1NE
>>128486066It had to be pretty early. They were playing there as early as 74. But apparently some people thought they were a joke.Either way, by the first album, they ruled. Ruled live especially.
>>128485853yeah it needs more hard hitting lyrics like "damn I got bitches niggas iffy uh blicky got the stiffy uh"
Prog has a lot of the same issues with critics as metal or Southern rock ie. their fanbase is mostly working class white guys (though prog fans are a little more well-read and literate) very often in the heartland states. Rock critics generally never did like this audience.That said I will acknowledge prog fans are often snobby and put down other forms of music as inferior.
>>128485631Jethro Tull is another tricky case. They started off as more of a blues band with some dabbling in jazz and other eclectic influences. By the time they reached Thick As A Brick, they were fully embracing prog, though Ian Anderson later claimed that it was a satire of the genre, a tag that he became increasingly uncomfortable with. Songs From The Wood sounds more like baroque folk to me, but some still put them under the prog banner. It underscores how muddy these designations can get.
>>128486145Almost all rock was working class white guys. Only it was +girls too.
>>128486145Damn, working class white guys have really good taste and an Apollonian + Dionysian spirit living within them then.
>>128486126The other thing that’s wild about Aphrodite’s Child is the lead dude made a bunch of regular pop music as well
some people just get auto-filtered by certain formats. i still find it baffling that some people have told me they prefer 80s pop rock Genesis to Foxtrot and one guy i knew who was absolutely convinced that "December 1963 (Oh What a Night)" was better than all of the classic 60s Four Seasons songs. you can never account for taste.But there are some people who like to tear down great cultural achievements while attempting to raise works of garbage up to a high level. These are the ones motivated by jealousy, particularly if they are actively engaged in producing those works of garbage - mediocrities or worse who can't stand the thought of being tenth-rate.
>Has fantastical lyrics>Has synths>taps into Middle Eastern sounds>guitar solo melts your face>still escapes the faggy Prog labelHow did they do it?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5PjcJN-KoI
>>128486222I mean I've never especially loved KISS but do have to feel sorry for their fans for the abuse they take.
>>128486245lots of people hate KISS for obvious reasons>minimal musicianship and singing>super dumb, lowbrow, and sexist lyrics>reliance on costumes/stage shows
>>128486245Especially when black metal stole their makeup style but somehow get credit as artsy and hipster
>>128486265They're not the kind of thing I'm into but I don't go out of my way to shit on them. A lot of people just can't resist taking cheap shots at an artist or their fanbase that they don't happen to like.I do understand why a lot of people don't go for prog. It's not that they resent good musicianship, but some music fans have a limited tolerance for ostentatious displays of musical virtuosity (ie. noodling). They prefer their rock/pop to be more immediate and to the point. They like more traditionally structured songcraft, not so much the open ended exploration you sometimes hear on the epic sidelong tracks.
>>128486265>>super dumb, lowbrow, and sexist lyrics>GOD OF THUNDER >AND ROCK AND ROLL>THE SPELL YOUR UNDER>WILL SLOWLY ROB OF YOUR VIRGIN SOULNah that's pretty fucking awesome.
I like some prog rock, but I can only stand it in fairly small doses.
>>128485552The Grateful Dead isn't prog, moron
The real victims of the punk era weren't the prog heavyweights like Yes, Genesis, etc who gradually turned into pop rock bands but a lot of lesser groups who never made it big and got instantly wiped in the late 70s.
>>128485622Punk bands and fans were elitist (or rather, extremely paranoid) because they wanted to protect their grassroots scenes from being colonized by the very systems that wanted them all dead or behind bars. The attitude forced upon punks was them vs everyone, and if you weren't them, that sort of narrows it down.The elitism you found in prog circles was really not very different from elitism you found in any other circle of music who fancied themselves the best in the world.
>>128486330that is true. the Yes, Genesis, and ELP guys ended up with comfy Cayman Islands bank accounts and vacation homes in Malibu but none of the Canterbury artists did. Even with King Crimson it's a bit iffy, I guess Fripp made a decent living for himself but a whole lot of those bands were lucky to be able to afford food a lot of the time.
>>128486330It wasn't just punks that wiped them though. Van Halen and stuff like that too. Eddie had more skills than anyone, but he knew how to write just fun rockers and party music. And all the guys he learned from was Page/Blackmore/Hendrix/etc.. Not prog shit.
>>128486377>Eddie had more skills than anyonengmi
>>128486359Yes were definitely the most commercially successful prog band in the 70s. Genesis were not quite as big as them, not in the Gabriel era anyway. The band members did eventually become rock plutocrats from their later endeavours. The ironing is Yes were one of the textbook examples of why people don't like prog, but as the biggest such band back then they became a face of the genre ot many.
>>128486330Prog got wiped in the late 70s because it simply stopped being a very good style of music in 1976. After that it was basically Rush, Roger Waters (fag), and a bunch of coattail riders.
>>128486392In Rock at the time, sure he did. Maybe you want to say someone like Holdsworth or Benson were better, but they don't rock. Might as well be a different religion.
>>128486359i think Fripp's wife had a pretty successful real estate gig
>>128486330>but a lot of lesser groups who never made it big and got instantly wiped in the late 70s.Unless it's early Journey who started as a prog band, never got anywhere, and realized prog was finished and turned into pop rock.
>>128486265AC/DC has all of those things, but they're generally agreed to be much better than what music snobs dismiss them as. Occam's Razor dictates that KISS is hated because they're shit.
>>128486418even so the guy didn't make 1/5th of Phil Collins's money
Gentle Giant might be rec-ed to people who hate the stereotypical 18 minute prog tracks since theirs were usually pretty short.
>>128486450Music in a Doll's House and The Snow Goose are also great albums full of short tracks.
>>128486359Today it might be different where someone as amazingly talentless as Taylor Swift could become a rock star, but in the 70s generally bands who didn't progress past the club level were left there for a reason. It's ironic that a lot of these also-ran bands are now being hailed as secret unappreciate geniuses. Talent and popularity aren't always correlated but usually talent does get you playing arenas. Prog rock happened when virtuoso rock musicians were as abundant as air and water and the industry took advantage of it.
>>128486477Peter Frampton was a twink with pop rock songs.. and still a better guitar player than a lot of these "also-rans" as you say.
>>128486477if talent is the qualifier, nobody ever said Dylan, Bowie, or Gabriel were good singers. in fact their singing is horrible by any objective measure yet they succeeded for other qualities they had.
>>128485853i never listen to jazz/croonerslop much, once in a while Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, and Louis Armstrong but that's all. even so the GASB canon is relatable on a human level in a way a Yes or Rush song never is.
>>128486409yeah it just reached its natural expiration date. granted, critics might have welcomed punk than review another Chicago live double but it didn't make any money or sales. you were more likely to read about punk than ever hear it.
>>128486477Taylor Swift is not a Rock Star she is a Pop Star, at least she can play instruments, thats more than most these days.Hayley Williams is more the Rock Star. She needs to edge out her skills though even she knows this, +30s thats all you can do, beauty cannot carry anymore, gotta get good melodically, practice erryday.
Prog was getting stale by the mid-70s. Yes didn't put out an album in 1975-76. ELP also took a break from recording in mid-decade. Fripp had disbanded KC and was seeking new pastures. Gabriel left Genesis. The Moody Blues had stopped releasing albums after 72. Only Floyd were actively releasing albums during this time.The idea of 1977 as the year of punk is a misnomer, many of those artists had been making a name since at least 74.
>>128486356Some people really consider Led Zeppelin Progressive Rock?Am I trippin? There is songs that are pseudo-prog but I wouldn't call them that. What is the image trying to convey?
>>128486585that was true, of course terrible American prog bands like Kansas and Styx were at their peak during that period.
>>128485853>>theatrical to the point of being ridiculousSo is Meatloaf - Bat Out of Hell, and that's the 10th best selling album of all time.
>>128486590They're just rock to me.
>>128486557Not true btw. Maybe your local punk scene in Fort Wayne, Indiana or something didn't get anywhere but all the punk guys from major media markets like NYC and LA were well-publicized and everyone had heard of them. They were often on TV and radio shows. "Sheena Is A Punk Rocker" got airplay on NYC radio stations.
>>128486145I'm not a huge Southern rock fan, but Lynyrd Skynyrd got way bigger than any of their peers probably for a reason (unless you count ZZ Top as part of that scene), they wrote good songs and had no-nonsense musicianship.
>>128485519because 99% of it doesn't sound good simple asmost people don't dislike virtuosic or compositionally complex music, they dislike music that sound bad (and why wouldn't they?)normies can and do enjoy prog rock that actually sounds goodI'm about to trigger every autist on this board, but polyphia is a great example of this. They make technically sophisticated guitar music, but it actually sounds good so normies like itIt doesn't matter if you're play 1 note per second or 10. If it sounds good, people will listen to it. If it doesn't sound good, people won't listen to itthat's literally all there is to it
>>128486753>normies like itWhat normies. It's still guitar wankery without singers. This wasn't even popular during the best of times for guitar based music.
>>128486753you are wrong, i refuse to elaborate further>>128486770some normies do like prog but its rare, its maily those who had a musical formation since youth, in particular teens that picked up the guitar in middle-school and did an honest attempt to master it, they were always looking forward for their music class, then they ventured to other instruments such as keys and maybe vocals, etc. You need to have a certain passion for music to venture into prog.
>Why did prog rock trigger so many people?Hardmode: answer OP's question without using Reddit buzzwords like pretentious or wankery
>>128486860its not pretentious to admit Prog is hard and therefore I can't play it at my current skill level.
>>128485935prog is far closer to metal than jazz is, so wrong
>>128485937No it isn't, fag
>>128486942it is
>>128485519too based for this worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_7XrMjomqs
>>128487151No it isn't, fag
>>128487665it is
>>128485519Because it was pushing rock towards becoming a symphonic thing, as if it was classical music for the masses.When rock was supposed to be fun crazy music, not 15 minutes of noodling that doesn't have any hummable melody.It was a deviation of rock made by people who took themselves way too seriously. And it wasn't good for the genre. Like where else could it evolve? Even longer songs? Even more instruments? Dead end alley
>>128488804>where else could it evolve?Reject live performance, embrace studiomaxxing. Go full Conlon Nancarrow with unplayable parts. Live music sucks anyway.
>>128488804>Because it was pushing rock towards becoming a symphonic thingWas already happening in the 1960s with baroque pop.>as if it was classical music for the massesProg rock was never trying to be/never trying to replace classical music. The whole "prog is the next classical!!!!" thing came from metaltards nearly 20 years later.>When rock was supposed to be fun crazy music, not 15 minutes of noodling that doesn't have any hummable melody.Most prog is "fun and crazy". The most cherished and beloved prog rock bands, even the ones with 15+ minute long songs, were full of catchy melodies.>made by people who took themselves way too seriouslyThis is one of the most bizarre complaints that ever gets brought up because when you actually look into the musicians that were playing prog in the 1970s, most of them were carefree guys just having fun. Music nerds, yes, and they were eager to show off how nerdy they are, but the attitudes of these musicians weren't "head up their asses", most of them knew how to have fun and listened to and enjoyed the simpler stuff.
>>128485552Velvet Underground is not prog
>>128485519Critics were and are basically fashion journalists. They knew absolutely nothing about music.
>>128485973>I also don't like Wagneryou mean Mussorgsky
>>128485974>>128486032they're a bunch of jazz snobs who think they're too good for rock and ended up playing prog rock on accident
>>128486169Prog was mostly middle to upper class guys no?
Critics deserve to be sent to labour camps tbqh, literal parasite class that produces nothing but thinks its in a position to judge. Also Genesis is objectively the greatest band of all time. Not open for debate.
>>128489341gentle giant is better
>>128489339yeah, prog is the ultimate upper middle class art school fag subgenre.
>>128486753>Polyphia>sounds goodLmfao
ELP and Camel definitely made the case for why prog was shit.
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>>128488804>It was a deviation of rock made by people who took themselves way too seriouslyRetard take. No other genre other than hip-hop has wasted so much album space on stupid comedy bits.
Prog is wonderful proof of how much of a sheep the average person is. It went from being so big that ELP played a 3 night show at Madison Square Garden to being radioactive in a year or two. Prog didn't change. Critics changed people's minds. It's insane.
>>128489827Camel a shit. ELP is great though.
>>128485541accurateand they always smell like cheese
>>128485519it was basically just kids rebelling against their parents/older brothers
>>128490968nah as anon said, prog had simply run its course by the late 70s
>>128490968Bands like ELP killed prog with their excessive wankery
