Can we agree that modern production techniques (autotune, quanitzation, sample replacement, eq and sidechaining) are the single biggest factor for how soulless music sounds now?
>inb4 durrr eq has existed for a long timeI mean the super aggressive style of EQ they do today.
>>128491940>quanitzationis this the shit that automatically moves everything to be in "perfect" time, thereby destroying music?
i honestly don’t know enough about production to say if this falls into those categories but pop music has become way too maximalist. everything is soundtracky musical wall of sound power ballad type shit… would love to get some more stripped away production like https://youtu.be/3A3W5v1dNNI
>>128491988Yeah. Basically all this shit removes the microexpressions that make music unique.
agreed. digitization is a soul destroyer. also doesn't help that dei's, nepobabies and trust fund kids have no soul either and the industry is rampant with these.
>>128491940>sidechainingFinally someone says it. Just because Daft Punk did it, doesn't mean every dance pop and EDM act should copy it, as it can destroy the flow of a melody in some cases.
>>128491955Notch filters are to blame. People sweep them and remove the "annoying frequencies" without understanding that those frequencies are not annoying in the full mix and are necessary for the sound to have any distinctive character.
>>128492182Digital audio is great. The original non-remastered CD release of Brothers in Arms sounds better than 99% of modern music. You don't need to use shitty modern production techniques with digital recording.
The problem is everyone being too lazy to make sounds from the basics. You can literally make a whole goddamn album in garageband on an ipad and it will sound better than 90% of shit people are making with $500 plugins and soundpacks made for movie trailers
>>128493388no it won't lnao
>>128493392You have no talent or skill then
>>128493388The problem is the drums. You can do guitar/bass/vocals/keys cheaply, but drums are always big and loud and expensive and a huge pain in the ass to record. Very difficult to record good drums at home.
>>128493426Back in the 78 era, before tape recording, drummers would hit on wooden blocks in the studio instead of an actual drum kit because it was not possible to actually record drums with the primitive recording tech of that time.
>>128491988>>128492022Thankfully, music with more "elastic" time and expression exists, like classical and maybe even jazz.
The left is his music should sound.The right is an atrocity.https://youtube.com/watch?v=v9guw6McwbkNo wonder Detroit remains a hellhole.
>>128493654does she talk about the musical image in the video? if not what is the source of the image
>>128493654J Dilla sucks but you're an absolutely retarded nigger
Can I intentionally use auto-tune and make vocals sound good? Like if I purposely want vocals that sound like a mix of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f-NQZYCZnA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cz_tsYSIRM plus auto-tune?
>>128496446>Can I intentionally use auto-tune and make vocals sound good?i haven't listened to your examples yet, but there's a lot of people who use auto-tune as a special effect (to make voices sound robotic) rather than as pitch correction.
>>128496397>doesn't know his left and right
>>128493654>rhythmically uninspired ramblings
>>128496446No. If you can't sing for shit, autotune isn't going to make you sound good. It might make you sound less bad, but we've all heard Friday by Rebecca Black.
>>128501028every modern rapper can't sing for shit but autotune has brought them to extreme wealth and fame
pop production hasn't evolved all that much since the 80s which may be why everyone nutlicks the 80s so much
>>128491940It’s pop music. It’s made to be sold and that’s all there is to it. If it was so shit it wouldn’t sell then something different would be tried. Basically they just copy whatever everyone else has been doing that sold well. That’s the industrial side
>>128501657It used to be that your record label would make big bucks on your sprakly pop products and that would allow you to stomach some losses giving chances to more out-there, original stuff. Now, there is overinvestment in the big stuff and underinvestment in the small stuff. Same as movies going from a slate of options at a variety of budgets and genres to a few giant tentpole franchise movies that need to make insane money to be profitable and a bunch of random low budget crap polluting streaming services.
>>128501107You don't need talent or skill to get wealth or fame, anon.
>>128501861talentless screrching (when autotuned) sounds good to the majority of the unwashed masses.
>>128491940No I think the lowering of entry barriers to music making has made it possible for far too many to get into music, which led to cultural inflation.And this has accelerated the overall an-nihil-ation of culture (in the West and West-influenced areas). Culture becoming devoid of higher meaning and eventually collapsing on either haughty navel gazing or just poptimistic escapism. Basically a lot of brainlets who have nothing to say making music because they can sing or have the connections to make it in the showbiz.Seeing so many nepobabies lately becoming the new peaks in music confirms that the whole field has become so diluted and inflated you can only make it big if you have a great headstart. Technology was just an aggravating factor, not the decisive one.
>>128501928>Basically a lot of brainlets who have nothing to say making music because they can sing or have the connections to make it in the showbiz.Nothing new.>Seeing so many nepobabies lately becoming the new peaks in music confirms that the whole field has become so diluted and inflated you can only make it big if you have a great headstart.Also nothing new. 70s music was full of trust funders.
>>128501944Yes but now they're the rule not the exception and there's a lot more of them in an overall inflated population of musicmakers
>>128501977Having connections has always been what gets you ahead. Society is nepotistic as a rule.
>>128502003Also the standards have been lowered way too much compared to previous decades. And that's the effect of the internet and software playing such a big role in making music now. But also labels losing their gatekeeping role.This led to a much more laissez-faire situation in music, when every anon in some corner of the internet can upload his screwed up sampling as vaporwave on Bandcamp and call himself an artist.And then you have a lot of more prominent "pro" artists using effects to harmonise their vocals live after they already cheated in studio by using tools. So you get a whole lot of people making music but unable to play instruments or actually sing. Or have any songwriting talent, because culture has become so accessible and un-gated that there's no filter anymore. No tastemakers in labels.
>>128502003How did Led Zep become a great band thanks to nepotism?Ac/DC? Metallica? Nirvana? Jimi Hendrix? Were they all just nepobabies who only made it thanks to connections?
>>128502073Did Ice Spice become famous from nepotism? Did Travis Scott? We can all cherry pick.
>>128502064>No tastemakers in labels.This is the biggest issue by far of anything you mentioned.
>>128502140Black promotion
>>128502146Well yea those guys used to go out and scout new talent. Now they're just watching social media accounts and picking whatever becomes popular.They're not making any effort anymore to look for actual talent
>>128502197I accept your concession.
>>128492019hard agree, maximalism was cool in the 10s, and it was brought to its logical conclusion already with hyperpop and whatever the fuck underground rap has been doing for the past 5 years. we need to go back to minimalism and focusing on good individual parts instead of walls of sound. it's too unfortunate that people online circlejerk walls of sound power ballads because a maximalist 30 seconds of a song sounds better on a tiktok than something that develops over an entire song
>>128492019thats just clairo
