AI music is basically the same as sampling music in hip-hopChange my mind
>>128497641The AI is (God forgive me for saying this) even dumber and less creative than rappers
>>128497641How
>>128497641Only leftists are against AI.
>>128497641it's not ok when wypipo https://www.bitchute.com/video/ur969TzAmyhq
>>128497641true.
>>128497641It actually takes less talent somehow. The bar has never been lower for talentless hacks
>>128497641it's not because you are creating something new instead of just stealing like hip-hop does
>>128497896Leftists make the majority of meaningful art
>>128497896this isn't /pol/ or twitter, saying libtards don't like something doesn't automatically make us like it here.
>>128497641you're not really wrongit still wasn't made by a human thoit will NEVER HAVE SOUL no matter how good or impressive it getsmachines are SOULESS
>>128500072if you like hip-hop or pop music you will eventually like AI music, soon artists will find a good balance of AI generated material vs human intervention and create something mass approved, the bar for art has been very low for ages, AI will conquer humans soon
>>128500124maybe you're not wrong but my point still stands
if it’s playlists the AI is autogenerated by an algorithm whereas the human sampler is a thought out and curated playlist. There’s a massive difference
>>128500124>soon2 moar weekshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhvk0kxX1wg
>>128497705Not creating anything, just stealing others’ work and making it worse.
>>128499903Taylor Swift is a right-winger.Actually most artists are, they’re just in an industry where they can’t admit it without losing money.
>>128500995She literally endorsed Kamala. What are you talking about?
>>128501008not liking Trump (a registered Democrat for decades) =/= not being a right-winger
>>128501008Look at her husband she chose to see why she’s a racist right-wing piece of fascist shit.
>>128500995>actually, here’s some unfounded bullshitNeat
>>128497641these days, samples need to get cleared. ai just takes without permission.
>>128501103Truth hurts!
>>128501119Based AI. Copyright is the death of Art.
>>128501146it forces at least a modicum of creativity. you can see what happens when ai just takes from the past without restriction: conway twitty singing 50 cent somgs and other frivolous novelties.
>>128501146imagine having 12 notes to choose from and thinking you invented literally any combination of them
>>128500980It is creating something
>>128501119>samples need to get clearedno they don't, look at Death Grips - Exmilitary
>>128500875I saw an interesting video the other day about how so much internet content now is AI-generated that it's feeding into the learning algorithm and making itself worse as a result.We thought we'd get Skynet, but instead we are getting a retarded ouroboros of slop.
>>128500072>soulhttps://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/128401364/#q128403395
>>128501146>>128501177the idea of copyright is fine. it's what spurs innovation and competition. it's why all the big innovations in tech in the last 80 years have come from america vs. china where copyright virtually doesn't exist and they just straight up copy us. people are entitled to the bounties of their work. the problem comes in when it doesn't expire in a timely fashion. mickey mouse should have entered the public domain decades ago.
>>128500455>thought out>curatedEvery thread someone using words like these without further elaboration.
>>128501372there's a reason that's not on any streaming services. you can listen to it on yt or whatever, but death grips isn't making money off that.
>>128500995I don’t think this is accurate. Not from famous musicians of which I know their politics or of musicians I know irl either
>>128501384Yeah 4chan posters has gone out of their way to turn ai schizophrenic keep up nigga. Tons of experimental ai has been ruined by 4chan, why? heh... MEGALOZ
>>128501384This outcome was obvious to anyone with a brain. AI's potential is not exponetial increase, it's approaching a limit.
>>128501457ok and? its still art thats been created regardless of being on streaming services or not
>>128501504point is, you need to get your samples cleared if you want to profit from the result, but no such restrictions are made for ai. ai takes whatever without permission, and then the soulless void of a person who typed the prompt gets to profit off the result. anything produced by ai should be nonprofit.
>>128501530has AI even blatantly used notable samples yet? i thought the best it can do is just do an approximation of a genre of music. haven't heard of it actually using samples from known songs
>>128501570most ai music is covers of existing songs.also everything produced by ai is definitionally a sample.
>>128501439Ok, so say if you make a playlist for me like a 45 minute mixtape you will think about it and have an idea and you will set the playlist in some kind of curated order according to your own preferences and depending on what you’re trying to do with the playlist. If the AI makes a playlist it’ll just be completely random without any prompting, in a vacuum say. Your playlist will always be better than a random selection of songs. If we add prompts to it, like whatever say I want a playlist of chill music to play in the evening, you will be able to interpret that in your own way and with whatever creativity and on your own knowledge and experiences, the AI will look at the most suitable songs according to the prompt. The other thing is the AI doesn’t have taste it can only know what’s the best rated or most popular.The same logic applies to songwriting if I ask you for something inspired by a pine tree near a beach on a clear starry moonlit night you might get an inspiration for that but the AI will have to look for what’s already been done before. The whole thing is best summed up with something like calculators didn’t make mathematicians obsolete
>>128497641The only good thing to come from ai are my sora shitposts specifically
Ai more like GAYi
>>128501585>the AI will have to look for what’s already been done beforeyou mean like artists getting inspired by other artists and making songs in the same vein of songs they were inspired by?
AI is a bubble companies are intentionally propping up (/mu/ example would be Spotify shilling AI music) to maximize profit before it inevitably bursts.
>>128501624No, AI doesn’t have its own thoughts and life experiences to add on top of anything that came before like humans do.
>>128501581>also everything produced by ai is definitionally a sample.don't know about that. sounds like something that will have to take a court case to issue a precedent on
>>128501624Lol I keep seeing the AI-jeets use this counter-argument which can easily be dismissed with: AI will NEVER have the synthesis of human ingenuity that is the primary force that creates novel works of art.
>>128501624No, I absolutely don’t mean inspiration. AI can’t be inspired it can only be prompted (basically told) what to do, inspiration is very different
>>128501695adding to this. If I tell my drummer to give me a disco beat he will give me a disco beat according to how he feels or thinks a disco beat should sound. An AI will give a disco beat according to how disco beats are “supposed” to sound. There’s a huge difference, the former could be a copy or a creative reinterpretation or not even an actual disco beat but it could work as one and become a disco beat and it will be sincere and truthful, the latter (from the AI) will be entirely derivative of whatever the AI has been told are disco beats made into an amalgamation based on the most popular/most critically acclaimed/most authentic to the style and all of which are values that the AI has to be taught and which may not be true
>>128497641>AI music is basically the same as sampling music in hip-hopWhen you sample something, people can hear that you sampled it. You're colliding time periods. In hip-hop this often involves looping a short section to transform gentle pieces of music into faster-paced, catchy ones, with a tension in them that comes from sounding distinctly warped out of their original form.AI music trained on masses of original music deliberately disappears and downplays the source material, in order to create something that appears seamless. It's hiding the artifice of the process. In pressing "generate" you have very little idea, or choice, of what source material indirectly contributed to the output. All the fascination of sampling is gone.
>>128500875NTA; so the whole video is about this one specific robot? I agree that this cherrypicked case is full of problems, but what's his point after all?>>128501384Can I get a link? Because that doesn't seem to make sense.
>>128501138I’m reeling
>>128501615Shit, gottem
>>128501585>If the AI makes a playlist it’ll just be completely random without any promptingWhy do you consider AI decisions random and human made decisions not random or whatever? What is the difference between a computer and a brain at a quantum level, regarding randomness?>the AI will look at the most suitable songs according to the prompt [without interpreting it in on creativity, experiences or knowledge]That's not something impossible for AI to do. You always say these properties are exclusive to humans without elaborating.>The same logic applies to songwriting if I ask you for something inspired by a pine tree near a beach on a clear starry moonlit night you might get an inspiration for that but the AI will have to look for what’s already been done before.Whence do you think humans take their "inspiration" from if not from "what's already been done before"? >The whole thing is best summed up with something like calculators didn’t make mathematicians obsoleteI wasn't even discussing obsolescence, but the fact is that calculators can do math and even better than many humans.
>>128501646>thoughts>experiencesNext thread you'll still be using these words without even having a definition for them.>humans add of top of what they've experienced and robots don'tWhat do you think "generative" means? What do you think that happens in human brains that doesn't happen in computers?
If you love AI so much, go chat with your suicidebot and leave the rest of us alone.
>>128497648>even dumber and less creative than rappersNot possible
>>128501682>ingenuity>primal force>novel worksNice words that you don't even have an understanding of. You literally said: your argument I can "easily dismiss" by repeating what I said before.
>>128501624Getting inspired requires an actual mind and emotionsAI is just statistical algos, an autist's idea of mind lol
>>128501695>inspiration is very differentBother to explain what you mean by it? Because humans get "inspired" by things they experience, and that's not something AI can't have. Is your point about autonomy?>>128501783>There’s a huge difference, the former could be a copy or a creative reinterpretation or not even an actual disco beat but it could work as one and become a disco beat and it will be sincere and truthful, the latter (from the AI) will be entirely derivative of whatever the AI has been told are disco beats made into an amalgamation based on the most popular/most critically acclaimed/most authentic to the style and all of which are values that the AI has to be taught and which may not be trueYou can adjust the prompt for it to give you a disco beat not necessarily following the description you said "most popular/most critically acclaimed/most authentic to the style".>the AI has to be taught these valuesIt won't necessarily use them anyway. But don't humans have to learn about disco beats too, even in order to develop a "taste"?
>>128502499>mindWhat do you mean?>emotionsWhy do you need them necessarily to "get inspired"?
>>128502381>What do you think that happens in human brains that doesn't happen in computers?Stuff that requires a body, like sex. Not that (You) would know about that.
>>128499903I would say people that don't care about politics make the most meaningful art because they are not telling you what their beliefs are they speak abstractly or use no lyrics at all (music in its pure form), then its leftist rockers because they are more emotional, then rightwingers, then at the bottom left wing rappers because rap is not music.
>>128502422>>primal forceMake sure to proofread your posts before clicking Post Ranjesh otherwise it makes you look like the 80 IQ turd worlder that you are
>>128497641Haha OP I love froggo XD
>>128504997me tooCaptcha: 8vmad
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>>128497641Really poor take imo, take J Dilla's Time: The Donut of the Heart where he transforms the Jackson Five's All I Do...Facing his own mortality at the time in a hospital, Dilla transforms the angst of romance in the original into angst about his own mortality and love of music...There are many such examples of sampling transcending the original song, which AI isn't capable of doing because it lacks the emotional and personal experience needed
>>128505102J Dilla "Time: The Donut of the Heart"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vmhgotEBycJackson 5 "All I Do Is Think of You"
>>128505125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOJeRISwaY
