Schoenberg edition This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPreviously, on /classical/: >>128686962
Jews truly are the chosen people aren't they? Chosen by the evolution.
Let me be the first to say fuck Tchaikovsky and all of his fans
>I am against Stravinsky, for Schoenberg. I think that when we get a breakthrough in art, like with Schoenberg, we always get then accompanying it, a figure like Stravinsky. Renormalising the breakthrough. Cutting off the subversive edge of the breakthrough. And I think again the same goes for other arts, for example, in modern painting, it would have been Picasso vs Braque. I think Picasso is Stravinsky in painting, with his eclecticism, while Georges Braque is the thorough modernist ascetism. Even in literature, although the homology is not perfect, I’m tempted to say Joyce vs Beckett. Joyce is I think too bright for his own good. It’s too pretentious in this encyclopaedic approach, like using all languages in Finnegan’s Wake; the true genius is for me Samuel Beckett. If I were to choose one novel of the 20th century, it’s his Unnameable. I think that the three absolute masters of 20th century literature are Beckett, Kafka and the Russian Andrei Platonov. If you put the three of them together, I’m ready to burn, sacrifice all other books just to keep these three. I think even much of high modernist writing is overrated. For example, if I were to choose between Virginia Woolf and Daphne du Maurier, I would immediately choose du Maurier. We shouldn’t be afraid to admit this.
There's a bit in Bach's Prelude in G that sounds like Boyzone's No Matter What
>>128696628Schoenberg looks like a ventriloquist here
>>128696716>rubs his nose
Gnossiene 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6c0a6Ni9iQ&list=RDhJDTZjE8pHs&index=4
>>128696716Of course this fat fuck thinks that Stravinsky has the gall to compose things that sound good
What are some of the worst recordings of great compositions youve ever encountered?
>>128696757You need to imagine a sniff after every third or fourth word for the full effect
>>128696783Kalberer's Beethoven. One would think this is a joke, but it's not. I don't know if that makes it funnier or sadder, but it does make me nauseoushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syPj_WfxdF0&list=OLAK5uy_kk4W1XxLIbL2cZPXD1vHzWJl-9UY5dhts&index=1
>It’s admirable when pianists try to honor Beethoven’s seemingly impossible fast metronome marking for the Hammerklavier Sonata’s first movement Allegro. Regarding Artur Schnabel’s sincere yet not totally successful attempt to conquer this pianistic Mount Everest, one writer said that Schnabel gave you less of the notes and more of the music than anyone else. By contrast, Christian Kälberer gives you even less notes and absolutely zero music. He plows through the Allegro like a raging bull pumped up with steroids and then let loose in a china shop. He speeds up at random moments, misses or ghosts notes, drops beats, disregards nearly all phrasing and dynamic directives, and basically burns and crashes his way through the movement. He only slows down a little bit at the development section fughetta’s outset, but not for long.>Kälberer‘s Scherzo seems relatively contained on the surface, but the weird balances and rhythmic instability are giveaways. Kälberer’s briskly perfunctory, arbitrarily phrased Adagio sostenuto answers the question of who can sight-read this movement faster and more insensitively than anyone else while presumably sober. One must credit Kälberer’s well-paced and well-timed Largo fourth movement introduction, but when the Fugue kicks in, all I can say is duck for cover, for here comes the pianistic equivalent of a blind driver joyriding down the highway in an army tank at 200 miles per hour.Never stops being funny.
>>128696671Yeah, chosen to wander the earth in pursuit of material gain and validation.
Einstein>Stole the works of Hillbert and LorentzSchoenberg>Stole the works of Hauer
>>128696915They've certainly found it
>>128696783anything with Gould in it
All of you memed me into listening to Mahlers 8th again nah this aint it
>>128697215You did that to yourself. Take some agency over your own actions, you weak-willed bastard.
>>128697210Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
>>128697226Its picking up maybe youre not all bastards. Soltis recording wasnt crisp enough switched to Nagano
>>128697215If you got filtered by Mahler's 8th you're a fucking disgrace anon.Watch Atheist Codger's analysishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZwLNfzTTXohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTDHOQrePCcAlternatively, listen to the 4th, 5th, 6th and 9th symphonies, they're as different from each other as Wagner is from Mozart.
>>128697308Yeah the idea that I give a fuck what some old retard named Atheist Codger has to say is laughable. Ive heard all of them multiple times and knew this thing was mid but you whores kept ranking it above the 2nd yesterday for God knows what fucking reason.
>>128696783https://youtu.be/bCJ0-xAoduk?si=HdlWrkYapsJCt6d9
>>128697369>for God knows what fucking reason.because it's better. hope that helps!
>>128697369>I choose to remain willfully ignorant!Okay, just keep it to yourself, no one cares.>>128697374Nah, better than 2nd, 1st and 7th, but not better than 3-6 and 9.
>>128697396It's the best of his non-instrumental symphonies, and better than 1. This is objective.
>>128697374Yeah no shot is this better than 1, 2, 5, 6, or 9. Its better than 3 and iunno about 7 I aint about to relisten to that on your rec though. You all low key hate music and dont listen to operas or masses so this is your baseline for choral music. The definition of mid
>>128697434You appear erratic and incongruent. Perhaps you need to take a break
>>128697396>>128697426I know im out on the ledge by myself about how good 1 is but you motherfuckers casually putting it above 2 is a joke
>>128697445No go fuck yourself
>>128697308>Watch Atheist Codger's analysisLol nigga you forreal?
>>128697464You are upset. Calm down.
>>128697479Yes because you fucked me over and then told me to watch Atheist Codger you son of a bitch. I am seething. Mahler cult cannot be trusted for fucking anything
>>128694857Listen to Elly Ameling.
>>128697507Have some agency, take some responsibility, you disgusting, pathetic groveling worm, you crayon-scribbled excuse of a man.
>>128697507LolFor a man is kike'd only when he letteth down his guard and groweth careless in his watch.
>>128697453All Mahler symphonies are good, calm tf down.>putting it above 2 It's simply better than 2. The sheer force, drama combined with contrapuntal density alone puts it above 2nd in my book. >>128697465What is it?
>>128697560Extremely based thank you anon
christcucks go to church and stay there
>>128697622You cant offer a contrarian take and just say 'it simply is'. When the entire world and my own lying ears tell me youre full of it you need a reason. And the reason cant come from Atheist fucking Codger. >>128697617Factual I have failed myself trusting these snakes
sufferers of the abrahamic disease should not be in this website, or any website
>>128697663Pretty solid advice for a Jew. Proud of ya, Shlomo.
>>128697692>contrarianHow tf is it contrarian when 8th was his most succesful symphony? And it remains very popular to this day, only underperformed due to the forces required. What a stupid comment to make.>When the entire world and my own lying ears tell me youre full of it you need a reason.>the entire worlda.k.a. ad populum. >And the reason cant come from Atheist fucking Codger. More reason comes from Goza than you for sure.
>>128697735seek help to combat the abramic schizophrenia that has its hold on you, it's not too late
Why did Atheist Codger mindbreak this retard?
>>128697766magical thinking will do that to a man
>>128697738Im but a humble listener to me 1 sounds the best. When I go to the experts they all put 2 above 8. When I listen to 8 it sounds mid. This fucker is filtering me
>the experts
>>128697766Youre all fucking hopeless is what broke me. I have no clue who Atheist Codger is the fact hes an old faggot who was cited as a reason this mid symphony was actually good sent me into a fucking spiral. Then some other retards decided this was about religion nigger I am listening to the 8th, imagine being such small souled twats you mock religion at the same time as dicksucking a jew writing pseudoChristian music. The fuck layer of hell am I in with you pieces of trash? Sibelius was right. Im joining the fucking Bach cult
>"I have just finished my Eighth – it is the grandest thing I have done yet – and so peculiar in content and form that it is really impossible to write anything about it. Try to imagine the whole universe beginning to ring and resound. These are no longer human voices, but planets and suns revolving. – More when I see you.">It needs to be stressed that Mahler was still describing his Eighth Symphony as his most important work a year after he had completed Das Lied von der Erde and shortly after he had put the finishing touches to the Ninth.
>>128697905the cries of the superstitious are incongruous and harrowing
>>128697878Yeah like ATHEIST FUCKING CODGER WHO WAS CITED OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE. WOW APPEAL TO EXPERTS. THIS RETARD SAID MAHLERS 8 WAS HIS MOST POPULAR WORK AFTER BITCHING I APPEALED TO POPULARITY. DIE CULTIST
>>128697921did "God" tell you to lose your temper like this?
>>128697906Probably because he believed in God desu
Just got to 'Dir, der Unberuhrbaren' nevermind its actually based and better than the 2nd. My apologies to the cult you guys had it right. My bad
As a genius who generally (and rightfully) detests Mahler, I can say with absolute certainty that the 2nd is his best.
Michael Kemp Tippetthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09gOa2gWNHUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSdN_3NnNeYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjEQEYJdzVMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdf6CPxNq8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJFDNzJ19Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPOGxXobarUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obu_aAjh4qUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E755EBUz81Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYRqvN0IdLIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRaKU2nFv9Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3q4149Zx1khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erxLMq029Dchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2rHFoZGoQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13In4w3vaMghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqt9AqgMmaAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpFVrlKDZfohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spIMcZKL-Gkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxd-qY1sqBUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNFayP0Nk_Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLafyaStTAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b0llj4ZevUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SEUnEQ4bBUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbUK7gCTvashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR7mm3YjPh0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CihDJqyDYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNZCqGQhbaAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut9vgqDYfE0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXjVAdcAGGghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A1XSpzjREchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7AV0WJdfdghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqXFVi3G_toDiscovering, reading about, and listening to Tippett has been a strange and rewarding experience. I've gained another 20th century favourite. Enjoy while it lasts, friends! I'm on the final stretch and then as is my wont I'll disappear for a while (no offense but this is the kind of place one needs to take regular vacations from) and then I'll be back to shill... *checks notes* Salieri! So look forward to that! Or don't!
>>128697905>who was cited as a reason this mid symphony was actually good sent me into a fucking spiral.He was not cited "as a reason" the symphony is good you absolute clown, I posted him so you could try to understand the symphony better. >>128697921I'm not even sure if you're trolling or genuinely this dumb.>>128698021>as a geniusCalling yourself a genius is a good sign that you're a midwit.Anyway, 9 => 6 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 8 > 7 > 2 > 1
>>128698114Swap 3 with 7 and you've got yourself a deal
>>128698114>Calling yourself a genius is a good sign that you're a midwitI was joking, autist.But seriously, I am.
>>128698114I apologize you were correct about the 8 and im sure your grandfather is a nice and knowledgeable man. I may have gotten a bit carried away in my frustration not enjoying the symphony
>>128698228>your grandfather is a nice and knowledgeable manI wish.
Shoah-berg is not music
>showing any love for Mehlerlol
>>128698443>>128698453
>>128698458N
Ive never actually listened to Schoenberg or any of that school really. How does one approach it I like stuff that sounds good is that going to be a problem
>>128698641>I like stuff that sounds good is that going to be a problemLol
>>128698103Thanks for your recent efforts, anon
now playingstart of Sallinen: Symphony No. 6, Op. 65, "from a New Zealand Diary"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcX_-a-sSg4&list=OLAK5uy_kpccc0niQ1YRhP6PPY1HtkefOg5arnGhM&index=2start of Sallinen: Cello Concerto, Op. 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13n5ykpFnYs&list=OLAK5uy_kpccc0niQ1YRhP6PPY1HtkefOg5arnGhM&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kpccc0niQ1YRhP6PPY1HtkefOg5arnGhM>Aulis Sallinen, Symphony No. 6 "From a New Zealand Diary" and Cello Concerto performed by cellist Jan-Erik Gustaffson and the Norrkoping Symphony Orchestra conducted by Ari Rasilainen (CPO). The compositions of 74-year-old Finnish composer Aulis Sallinen on CPO have been among the disc revelations of the past few years. In the post-Sibelius compositional world of Finland, his reputation is far behind that of Rautavaara, but each new symphony that appears is enormously impressive. His sixth symphony is subtitled "From a New Zealand Diary," which is all well and good, but I'm not sure there is contemporary music more Nordic sounding than this. It's his longest symphony at 40 minutes and abounds in the kind of post-Bartok and post-Honegger brooding you might expect from a composer whose works are both tonal and post-serial. The cello concerto is a distinctly lesser work but well-played. -- The Buffalo News, Jeff Simon, December 15, 2009
>>128698671My understanding is hes supposed to be 'difficult' and 'jewish'
>>128698777Yeah, that's pretty accurate. >Verklarte Nacht >Gurre-LiederThese pieces don't employ the 12 tone technique and are quite accessible. Good not great.As for his more "difficult" work, some of the string quartets, solo piano pieces and lieder are worth listening to, but I don't care enough about them to know the names of the specific pieces I've enjoyed.
>>128698898>>128698777Don't forget about the heavily romantic and lovely Pelleas und Melisandehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5nf0pN6Ip4That's a piece anyone can enjoy.
>>128698777>My understanding is hes supposed to be 'jewish'He was extremely Germanic actually.
>>128699156wtf I love Schönberg now
>>128699156holy... i kneel
Schoenberg is too melodious for me, too sweet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWorjgYrmI
Another dogshit thread
>>128699156yeah. he was one of those Jews who tried so hard to integrate that he became more German than the Germans themselves.
>>128699189I find the 12 tone system works best when taken to the extreme. See: Webern.
>>128699231that's just your opinion. I prefer it when 12-tone writing occurs as a byproduct of romantic chromaticism.
>>128699258You have correctly identified an opinion. Well done, sir.
>>128699156I love jews, him and Mendelssohn are top tier to me I would never let them get gassed
What are Schoenberg's worthwhile works?
now playingstart of Natanael Berg: Symphony No. 1, 'Alles endet was entstehet’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWK3mwC1AaM&list=OLAK5uy_nhcmJBuHNK_AD2zRMuy-3vLdJstNpB0ig&index=2start of Natanael Berg: Symphony No. 2, "Arstiderna" (the Seasons)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu47pU4L8a0&list=OLAK5uy_nhcmJBuHNK_AD2zRMuy-3vLdJstNpB0ig&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nhcmJBuHNK_AD2zRMuy-3vLdJstNpB0igstandard Scandinavian early post-romantic fare
>>128699410His Bach orchestrations
>>128699410The ones where no one sings
>peep conductor's discography>primarily Schnittke and Mozartwho are these people like this, so strange
>>128698677Hey thanks to you for noticing. I try.>>128699433>standard Scandinavian early post-romantic fareIf you like that, check out Christian August Sinding some timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GkghWLaqoI
>>128699531Love Sinding, good shout. Not sure if I've heard that Violin Concerto before, thanks.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspptYLm4g0&list=OLAK5uy_kB6gNtgbeB1nEeE5tYCZnKIvj80Tc7Sjg&index=17
>>128696628E = mc^2 + AI
>>128699650He wrote three of them thangs!
who's the other fella?
>>128700176That's David Feingoldbergowitz
>>128700194David Richardberkowitz*
>>128700154Now I've got my tonight listening.
>>128696628The atonality movement severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>>128700176Isn't that Godowsky?
>>128700343yawn
>The chromatic movement severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>>128700569Bingo
>>128696716holy based. impeccable taste
>The equal-temperament movement severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>Now comes a bad surprise for most of my readers: no Mahler, no Richard Strauss, in my universe (I agree with the old Viennese saying “When Richard, then Wagner; when Strauss, then Johann”). My ultimate anti-Adornian sin: I prefer Sibelius’s Fourth Symphony to all of Mahler. And, in the same confessional mode, I have to admit some further guilty pleasures: Shostakovich’s Symphonies No. 8, 10, 14, and his first Violin Concerto, plus SOME of his string quartets (No. 3 with its wonderfully Hitchcockian third movement, but NOT the vastly overrated No. 8 which is too close to kitsch), Prokofiev’s first Violin Sonata plus his film music (Aleksandr Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible), and, why not, Rossini’s Cenerentola and Donizetti’s L'elisir d’amore, a love potion that again clearly functions as the Lacanian objet a.
>The Notre-Dame school of polyphony severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>Quartal harmony severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>Having anything more than one voice sing anything more than seven notes severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>>128701398I read this article and it's such gibberish in places. I don't even know what leftists mean when they say 'kitsch' anymore, as he describes Beethoven's late quartets as such. Kitsch is supposedly to be cheaply reproducible by definition, but besides some modest formal imitations (Mendelssohn op. 13 for example) no one ever followed up on the late quartets. As musical essays, they have never been widely imitated, never mind reproduced at scale. He seems to just use it to describe things he doesn't like.
>Ekphonetic notation severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>>128701398completely correct about quartet 8 being kitsch, especially in the famous middle sectionsounds like Stravinsky
>>128698777what could "jewish" possibly mean in this context
>>128701398>Now comes a bad surprise for most of my readers: no Mahler, no Richard Strauss, in my universe (I agree with the old Viennese saying “When Richard, then Wagner; when Strauss, then Johann”). My ultimate anti-Adornian sin: I prefer Sibelius’s Fourth Symphony to all of Mahler. Finally, someone said what needed to be said. I'm tired of people acting like there isn't a world of difference between genuine Teutonic Late Romanticism and the imitators that quickly followed. Schoenberg was only good when he went full dodecaphonic. Sibelius is cool because he did his own Finnish thing.
Rachmaninoffhttps://youtu.be/HvKTPDg0IW0
guys I need to know the best repeat-taking recordings of Schubert's symphonies. I already found ideal ones to my ears for the unfinished ones (7 8 and 10) but now I need the rest.
>Pythagoras' experiments with hammers and anvils in the 6th century BC severely damaged classical music. It never fully recovered.
>>128702435>I already found ideal ones to my ears for the unfinished ones (7 8 and 10)You tell me them first.
>>128696716>>128701398I do love me some Zizek
>>128702435Pretty sure Harnoncourt takes almost all of them in his cycle
Reply to this post with music you're listening to todayChopin Nocturne No. 1 in B Major, Op. 62https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuGFPez2d6YSibelius Symphony No. 6 in D Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbe7t5YgWJM&list=OLAK5uy_mKimvAXcIWPYr5tNNJaW6noayYKkPbvsU&index=4Beethoven Symphony No. 7 in A Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtVrVDFWgss&list=OLAK5uy_lgqktqNY9Q_Q3O9MZkwjSIbH3G3afRKp4&index=14Brahms Violin Sonata No. 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSeI_H8pI0Y&list=OLAK5uy_nsf5L6qUqx4JQgilfMTUC2VpN_QKhrVCE&index=4
I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG53S27HI5k
>>128702926I thought everyone agreed that Vanska/Minnesota cycle is no good, especially compared to his earlier one with Lahti
>>128702926>>128702946Actually he's made some good recordings with Minnesota (Beethoven, Mahler), so you've inspired me to give it a try
>>128702926https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBDW0JLGPxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kjy3KAoYq8
>>128702935Wagner.... you are.... such sound, such "visions". Reality is too inferior.
>>128703033What the fuck is "Wagner"?
>>128703042the meaning of life.
>>128702946Hardcore Sibelius fans maybe, I haven't listened to the earlier one yet so can't say which is better, but that one was fine.
How would you rank Brahms chamber works by genre? Not by quantity, but by quality.Piano quintet > piano quartets > string sextets > clarinet quintet > string quintets > cello sonatas > violin sonatas > string quartets
>>128702926Finishing up Schnittke's Symphonic cyclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ5XDJcfXrghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQhv_cYq8vcsome of Rangstrom's post-romantic slop to balance outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccnGOo8UL8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjbSgdgSOT4
Do you guys think listening to modernist, dissonant, anxious-sounding classical is cathartic for anxiety? That's generally how it works for other emotions, no?
>>128703118Piano Quintet > Piano Quartets > Clarinet Quintet > Cello Sonatas > Violin Sonatas > Clarinet Sonatas > String Sextets > String Quintets > String QuartetsI've never been as big on the sextets and string quintets as everyone else. Maybe someday.
>>128703342https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sriKLIR5JaM
>>128703355Don't reply to me ever again
>>128703342its not because it never resolves because the "composer" (scribbler really) doesnt know what the fuck hes doing
Jan Ekier's op.62 nocturnes, listen to those inner voiceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNA1O2BqZE8
>>1287033491st sextet is simply charming, 2nd contains one of the most beautiful melodies ever concieved by anyone in the 1sr mov. Give it another try
>>128703394Pretty fantastic.
>>128702926https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXh6I2IJxfo&list=OLAK5uy_n-ETbqrXuvaMr5yqx-W-2Ptkdgu7fClXI&index=22
>>128703366https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHBbJAIcnBI
>>128703510kek
Figaro, Figaro...
>>128703665Uno alla volta, per carita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxCbqegDfCgknock knock knock :)
>>128703913Is there a soprano/alto version?
now playingstart of Glass: Violin Concerto No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWoMede2GlE&list=OLAK5uy_mvNMY7Wmu_egbawT3diC83T5jy6-so8U4&index=2start of Schnittke: Concerto grosso No. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xbDP9xNkSw&list=OLAK5uy_mvNMY7Wmu_egbawT3diC83T5jy6-so8U4&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mvNMY7Wmu_egbawT3diC83T5jy6-so8U4>This is one of the major releases of the 1990s. It begins with Glass's Concerto of Violin and Orchestra (1987), one of the best examples of Minimalism around. The genuine surprise here is Schnittke's Concerto Grosso No. 5 for Violin: An Invisible Piano and Orchestra (1990), which is actually a violin concerto, or a concerto grosso with violin obbligato. What it has in common with Glass's concerto is its overriding sense of play. Schnittke, for all his daring and his mastery of a wide range of writing styles, is one of the few composers with a sense of humor, or delight. --Paul CookDope album cover. Never seen any of you Glass fans mention his violin concerto before.Also after this I'm done with my 20th/21st century exclusive period. Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, here I come :)
>>128703968what the shit, i want that LP...
>>128703975It's nice. Back when they still gave a crap.
How are Philip Glass's string quartets and symphonies? I didn't even know he had symphonies till just now, don't think I've seen them mentioned once in all the generals I've been here for.
>>128703928https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26xhRJQLC84this version even has Ashkenazy accompanying
>>128703968>Glass and Schnittke Ew
>>128704032I feel embarrassed, I didn't realize that was the same piece as the one you posted. Thank you.
>>128704015im a huge glasshead i think his symphonies suck hella balls. i think he shines in chamber. mishima his best. dont @ redditors and liberals.
>>128704036Well, this violin concerto is dope, I'll tell you that.>>128704051lol ah, thanks
Philip GlassComposer, performer.Underrated: Rossini. He is a composer whose importance has never been fully appreciated. I find his music full of wit, inventiveness, expressivity and style.Overrated: Franz Liszt. It's plain that in his day he must have been a musician of enormous importance. By contrast, his music offers surprisingly little of interest. I find it vague, incoherent and barely listenable.
lemme practice some quotes for when I'm famous and the magazines and websites and forums ask what music I like>Mahler: a supreme genius. A man whose music contains the entire universe down to the smallest emotion.>Schumann: a non-entity; means nothing to me. Wedding music for atheists.How's that?
>>128704051>dont @ redditors and liberalsLol you mean his biggest fan base?
>>128704089swap the texts and youre cool
>>128704102okok how about this one>Messiaen: tiresome. The half-awake mumblings of the fentanyl addict.
>>128704121That's Ives.
>>128704121>Messiaen: tiresome. The half-awake mumblings of the fentanyl addictAnons post: the spiritually melanated brain-farting of a soulless pleb
philip ass
>>128704182See now, that quote would get you cancelled and make the career of the reporter you said it to.I like Messiaen and Schumann, I was just bantering and making shit up.
>>128704060Milton BabbittComposer and teacher.Underrated: Johannes Brahms. He is the source of the most profound ideas in contemporary music. Any time I go back to Brahms I discover complexities I never knew were there. There is no composer I live with so closely as with Brahms. I also think we have undervalued Mendelssohn. There are some fantastic things in Mendelssohn, particularly the late chamber music.Overrated: Franz Schubert, particularly as a song composer. I find much more care and detail in the songs of Schumann, Brahms and Hugo Wolf. By comparison, Schubert's settings are literal and offhand, and his accompaniments redundant to a degree I find difficult to live with.
>>128704216These are actually accurate
>>128703968Sorry, I tried, but this Schnittke piece is not listenable.
>>128704216Charles RosenPianist and music scholar.Underrated: John Browne.He was the greatest composer in England at the end of the 15th century, in the period between Dunstable and Tallis. He wrote powerful and affecting music. And we know almost nothing about him; the only evidence of his existence comes from a manuscript found at Eton.Overrated: Antonio Vivaldi.I'm tired of him. Stravinsky once said that Vivaldi wrote the same concerto 500 times. I disagree. Instead, I think he began 500 concertos and never achieved anything in them. So he kept trying over and over again without ever quite succeeding.
now playingTakemitsu: A String Around Autumnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlh_5d_lJd4&list=OLAK5uy_mJeJgHirAajqFf-8ea-kAm0Oj-wshXGvI&index=2Takemitsu: I Hear the Water Dreaminghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFsHyA6F8nU&list=OLAK5uy_mJeJgHirAajqFf-8ea-kAm0Oj-wshXGvI&index=3Takemitsu: A Way a Lone IIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONkmASHAgEQ&list=OLAK5uy_mJeJgHirAajqFf-8ea-kAm0Oj-wshXGvI&index=4Takemitsu: Riverrunhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEFJSu1m9E&list=OLAK5uy_mJeJgHirAajqFf-8ea-kAm0Oj-wshXGvI&index=4
>>128704202>that quote would get you cancelled and make the career of the reporter you said it toThe browner the west becomes, the more racism will be tolerated by anyone worth giving a shit about. My quote will soon be received with applause by patricians the world over.
>>128703913Stuk stuk stuk
Maria Tipo's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvIxX8gZlyg&list=OLAK5uy_kgIDgCo9-Y3Ge_qzbkY8rpRQ42556UyYU&index=23
Great piece to blast on a cold winter morning. Celibidache is a wizard with those horns.
>>128704398That recording is amazing. Surely one of the best 3rds ever. Gives it the gravitas and majesty a lot of other conductors lack.
>>128704434Totally agree The last recording I listened to was picrel, which sounds like a youth orchestra compared to the Celibidache.
Buchbinder is one of the few to have a Beethoven cycle on three of the major labels (DG, EMI/Warner, RCA/Sony).Gonna try this one now.1sthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EV_KarWO0M&list=OLAK5uy_norzNDXYGVytIuQkqE6iItJWy5_0mauqE&index=22ndhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR3OHZc8Cws&list=OLAK5uy_norzNDXYGVytIuQkqE6iItJWy5_0mauqE&index=63rdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K0qm8GR74&list=OLAK5uy_norzNDXYGVytIuQkqE6iItJWy5_0mauqE&index=104thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Mpc9Nco-g&list=OLAK5uy_norzNDXYGVytIuQkqE6iItJWy5_0mauqE&index=14
>>128704467Let's just say there's a reason Wand's BPO Bruckner cycle starts with the 4th.
Beethoven's best symphony really is the 3rd. There's no way it isn't.
>>128704550It's the second best, and I'm tired of people here acting like I'm crazy for thinking that. Before I started posting here, I would have sworn it was the commonly accepted opinion by everybody.
>>128704550It's a tie between the 3rd and the 9th for me. But if I was forced to choose just one to listen to for the rest of my life, it would be the 9th - so... maybe the 9th is actually my favorite, I dunno.
the 9th is the worst symphony just for having a choral movement
>>128704567Second best after 5th or 7th?>>128704575>9thNah
>>128704597>nahSays the contrarian 4channeler
>>128704597>Second best after 5th or 7th?:pSecond best after the immortal 9th obviously.
>>128704604>>128704612KWAB3 > 8 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 9 > 4 > 2 > 1
>>128704621Next you'll tell me the best symphony for Brahms, Schumann, and Mendelssohn is their first.
>>128704621What a ridiculous ranking. End your life immediately.9>7>5>3>4>1>6>2>8
>>128704604there's nothing contrarian about recognizing the 9th as inconsistent and blunt, even wagner and verdi - hardly beacons of subtlety - fiercely criticized the problematic finale. if you enjoy these episodic variations on a nursery rhyme melody, go ahead, but don't flaunt it as beethoven's greatest achievement.the syllabic treatment of the text, simple rhythm, the recurrent recitation on repeated pitches as well as the three-part song form are aesthetic features that are common in folk and children's songs. the dignified topic of the words is in stark contrast with the naive presentation of the melody.a theme of such vocal simplicity and with such tightly-knit, firmly closed form isn't well suited to the symphonic, motivic-thematic elaboration beethovn attempted in that final movement, which may account for the woodcut-like, episodic nature of the movement, which many find so very jarring.
>>128704659>filtered by 8 this hardKWAB
>>128704659Oops, switch 3 and 7
>>128704659>4>1>6>2>8o_O
>Beethoven's 9th is not his greatest achievementWe are reaching levels of contrarianism heretofore unimaginable.
>>128704677Not even his top 5 symphonies, not even his top 20 compositions, if not 30. His greatest achievement is obviously 130 with grosse fuge finale
>>128704664All those words, and yet it's still a masterpiece of the highest order.Analogy is the weakest form of critique. Step up your game, pseud.
now playingstart of Schnittke: Violin Concerto No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22qGmw3exGI&list=OLAK5uy_nwSREAxxrlOd3hKQbHhNtadmjANocoPt4&index=2Schnittke: Violin Concerto No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQGL1kjkasU&list=OLAK5uy_nwSREAxxrlOd3hKQbHhNtadmjANocoPt4&index=5start of Schnittke: Violin Concerto No. 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRJ65zIxk4&list=OLAK5uy_nwSREAxxrlOd3hKQbHhNtadmjANocoPt4&index=6start of Schnittke: Violin Concerto No. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bJ0bBBJGmU&list=OLAK5uy_nwSREAxxrlOd3hKQbHhNtadmjANocoPt4&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nwSREAxxrlOd3hKQbHhNtadmjANocoPt4>It's good to have all four of Schnittke's violin concertos in one slimline two-disc set in definitive performances by Gidon Kremer, a passionate advocate for his friend's music. Concerto No. 1 is a student work revised in 1963 that is still worth hearing. Concerto No. 2 is a knotty work with a subtext based on the life of Jesus. The Third Concerto is scored for a wind-heavy chamber orchestra and ranges across a musical landscape that includes Mahler, Schubert, Russian Orthodox chant, Berg, and Hindemith, yet remains a fascinating personal statement. The magnificent Fourth is the prize of the set, one of the century's most profound and disturbing concertos. Written for Kremer in 1984, it has lyrical passages of ethereal beauty, but also jagged, violent orchestral eruptions that silence the lone violin, reducing it to silent gestures. This theatrical touch is modified for recording purposes by the soloist's finding an aural equivalent of the visual effect, sounding like frustrated sighs here. Eschenbach and the various orchestras provide first-class backing and Kremer's contributions are beyond praise. Not to be missed. --Dan DavisSo aside from Schnittke's symphonies, string quartets, and these violin concertos, anything else from him worth checking out? I saw two other pieces named Gogol Suite and Labyrinths I'm gonna peep.
>>128704675Problem, FAGGOT?
>>128704706Please post your nose. I need a good laugh.
>>128704706a community reviewer writes,>The Third and Fourth Concertos, on the second disc, are just amazing. Here you sense Schnittke's links with Schubert and Mahler (which he mentions in the liner notes) quite strongly. Performed live, the Fourth is marked by climactic passages where Kremer stops playing -- a dramatic gesture. This is captured in the recording by anguished nonverbal vocalizations. Schnittke refers to the beautiful, classical melodies in the piece as "painted corpses," underscoring what Kremer refers to as the "double meaning, the twist" characteristic of his music.damn, "painted corpses">>128704717?
>>128704723You're the kike-obsessed Mahlerschmuck, no?
>>128704717Asians tend to have tiny noses
>>128704762I'm asian-white, anon. My nose is fine!
*makes Tchaikovsky listenable in your path*
>>128704770In that case, post your dick lol
>>128704774lolLove Celibidache but I'm iffy on his Tchaikovsky, as well as Bernstein's Vienna performances of a similar sluggish, pastoral vein. I revisit it every so often though. Maybe one day it'll click. Glad to hear someone else likes it.
>>128704789Uh, it's uncut, six inches on the dot. Perv.
>>128704706I like his Choir Concerto but im a goy
>>128704799I'm listening to his 4th right now and loving it. I may change my mind tho. Will report back.
Anyone who likes the 3rd over the 9th is a fucking scoundrel
>>128704089Genuinely bad quote quotes, if you're trying to imitate Nabokov you've utterly failed.
Huh, Schnittke actually has some piano music, nice. And some chamber piano music (eg piano quintet, piano trio). Curious how they all sound.piano sonata 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlw98QDZs0piano quintethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td-cUkR1Tu8fun fun
>>128704870Or at least a scallywag. At worst... something along these lines.
>>128704933I was but in a funny, unserious way. I thought my wedding line was particularly amusing. I am sorry I failed.
>>128704948Keep trying anon. The wedding bit was funny but ruined by the rest of the line. To imitate Nabokov you have to be more original.
>>1287048703rd is BETTER than 9th. The first movement alone is far more dissonant, experimental, dramatic and satisfying than any movement from the 9th
>>128704970ok ok how about>Dvorak, Antonin. Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A prophet, a claptrap composer and a slapdash comedian. Some of his themes are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his reactionary melodies seriously.>Symphony No. 9. His best work, though an obvious and shameless imitation of Brahms.>String Quartet No. 12, 'American'. Dislike it intensely.>Violin Concerto. Dislike it intensely. Ghastly rigmarole.hehe :p
>>128705016The 9th is extraordinarily experimental. You're insane.
>>128704474If anyone cares -- even though some days it feels like I'm the only person here who gives a damn about variety in recordings of Beethoven's piano sonatas -- these are wonderful idiomatic performances, and I'm sure the rest of the set will be just as great.
>>128705016>more dissonant and experimental
Favorite recording(s) of Schubert's late string quartets and string quintet?Also, are his earlier string quartets worth listening to?
>Kant always recalled with displeasure the funeral music he had once heard in honour of Moses Mendelssohn: this music, by his own account, dragged on in a monotonous and constant moaning. "I would have thought," he observed, "that other sentiments could have been expressed, such asthe sense of victory over death (hence heroic music) or the sense of the completion of a work." After this cantata, he never went to another concert, in order not to suffer the same impressions again. Above all else, he preferred boisterous martial music.>Of course, one would be wrong to overestimate Kant's antimusicality and his apparentaste for banal and sentimental music. If one were to add to this the appalling sketch of Kant given by the psychoanalyst Edelman in his "conte moral" La maison de Kant, then one would indeed obtain a coherent, but fundamentally unjust portrayal.6 Without wanting to "save" Kant, I would stil like to make a proposal that can console me: Kant did not love music because the music which he could have loved did not yet exist!>For the moment, we leave aside the "ideological" critique formulated by Adorno in connection with the "bourgeois pathos" of thesublime which he claims is present both in Kantian aesthetics and in Strauss's emphatic music. Adorno's suggestion makes it possible for meto say that Kant would undoubtedly have liked Richard Strauss's Alpensymphonie (1915), in which the extreme tonal volume of sixteen horns "evokes" the power of the Alps through the sheer intensity of sound. Not only is the horn the most appropriate instrument for such an evocation-because of its intrinsic connection with the alpine landscape-but its monumentality surely causes us to fantasize: it throws the imagination out of balance with the faculties, thus bringing about the experience of the sublime. All music with a "programmatic" content (such as Beethoven's Pastoral), as mise-en-scene of the Stimmung, would have moved Kant.Post some music Kant would have liked.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imEjLsrG2W4&list=OLAK5uy_kHqvuWCxxU0MsL3iHqE6DV_BFoDJQr81o&index=15
now playingstart of Messiaen: Turangalîla-Symphoniehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-easfsrUzk&list=OLAK5uy_mghQhx5VPgfKzDOdZFPwf0Pe15BKFUh14&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mghQhx5VPgfKzDOdZFPwf0Pe15BKFUh14Gotta go through Messiaen's non-solo piano music now. Any recs for pieces and recordings of those pieces are appreciated! Though I do have this post to refer to (>>128463426), which is a lot of pieces. I guess L'Ascension would be next? Maybe Visions de l'Amen afterwards?
>>128705142I like Takacs, Hagen, Pavel Haas, plus the recording of the quintet with Isaac Stern, Casals, Tortelier.
>>128705142Busch
dayum what an album cover
let's get choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR7mm3YjPh0
>>128705199He would have loved Geese man
>>128705256Indeed I can't bring myself to take it out of the plastic, but I have the recording (and a few others) on cd. The Serkin is my favorite.
>>128705199Kant was too autistic for music.
>>128705310Haha that's awesome>I can't bring myself to take it out of the plastic,Good thinking
>>128704814Schnittke was German on his mother's side and he converted to Catholicism in the early 80s. I don't understand you people acting like he was some rabbi.
>Of all Beethoven's works, Wagner considered the 9th and the 8th incomparably the boldest and most original. Of the concluding movement of the 8th Symphony, Wagner said that for him it was 'the finest thing Beethoven ever produced, a celebration of life and all that it means, divine!'
>>128705469As usual, "based".
>>128705469Maybe I'll have to reassess the 8th. Gonna be going through Chailly's cycle pretty soon, so maybe he'll change my mind about it.
>>128704015Superb like most of his works
>>128704372That cover looks like they took that picture by accident and just had nothing else to use
>>128704664>as inconsistent and bluntI agree shallow and pedantic
Saint-Saens was the type of guy you give an orchestra too, not Wagner and his homo crooners.
>>128704933And blood-black nothingness began to spin. A system of cells interlinked, within cells interlinked, within cells interlinked within one stem. And dreadfully distinct against the dark, a tall white fountain played.
>>128704811What's the circumference?
If youd rather listen to Brahms 4 than Figaro go fuck yourself
Tchaikovsky ballets GOODTchaikovsky symphonies BADI DONT KNOW WHY IT BE THAT WAY BUT IT DO
Just sat through an hour and a quarter of absolute vomit-inducing earrape AMA
>>128702682yeah but he usually sucks>>1287026097: Heinz Rögner8: Edusei, last movement replaced by Dausgaard's performance of the Rosamunde entr'acte (the finale reconstruction in Edusei's recording is also the rosamunde entr'acte but it quotes the first movement's main theme in a way I found too cheesy. Dausgaard's recording of the unaltered piece sounds sonically the closest to Edusei's recording so I picked it as a replacement)10: Mackerras, middle movement replaced with Rögner's (I like the instrumentation better)
>>128707335Brahms would have likely agreed with you
>>128707387How on earth can a man dislike Tchaikovsky's 6th, 5th and 4th symphonies?>>128707335I'd rather listen to a random Chopin Mazurka over any opera most of the time. Let alone one of the greatest, if not the greatest (next to Mahler 9) symphonies ever written. Seethe lol
>>128708060You got filtered by opera yet pretend your opinion matters, very curious
>>128708140>your opinion mattersYet here you are.I don't dislike opera, I love Bellini's Norma, Lohengrin, some parts of Tristan, Debussy's Pelleas et Melisande, and a bunch of others. However they are inferior to structural music, and I'm saying structural because opera objectively sucks at form and structure, its entire logic depends on text, which makes it inferior.
>>128703968Schnittike starts off as a Halloween bullshit composer but by the end it gets pretty good>is one of the few composers with a sense of humor, or delightWhenever people say this about Modern art it's never true. They always say so and so is playful and has a sense of humour then they show you the most psychotic thing you've ever seen in your life
Claude The Pussy
>>128708060worst post of all time
>>128708422you can be psychotic and have a sense of humor
>>128709346I remember my dad and I going to see a Torsten Lauschmann exhibit and there was this huge wall of text outside about how he's daring but playful and all this stuff. And then you go in and it's just a stick with a crystal hanging from it from a piece of string
>>128709753kekTakes guts to make such a mockery of art, and to do so completely earnestly
>>128709946indeed, that is pretty daring and playful
>>128709753Deal With It
>>128709946You can see some of his playful but brutal work here https://youtu.be/0889-ySqSlA?t=105
Chopin stayed at Johnstone Castle in Scotland and he was initially charmed writing "I am staying at Mrs Houston's house. The Castle is very handsome, opulent, one leads life on a grand scale."This didn't last though and he wrote to his friend"The weather has changed, and it is dreadful outside. I am feeling sick and depressed, and everyone wears me down with their excessive attentions."
>>128710114I am going to wash now; don't kiss me, I'm not washed yet. You? If I were smeared with the oils of Byzantium, you would not kiss me unless I forced you to it by magnetism. There's some kind of power in nature. Today you will dream of kissing me! I have got to pay you out for the horrible dream you gave me last night.—Frédéric Chopin to Tytus Woyciechowski
>>128710114:(
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>>128710345Lol
I miss listening to Tchaikovsky's 6th but it's too powerful
>when a set contains two versions of the same symphony (generally 'original' and 'revised') and puts them back-to-back-_-I don't want to listen to them back-to-back but I also don't wanna get up from my bed to skip it once I hear what's going on
>>128710709I hope you at least audibly reeeee'd
>>128710709>he needs to get up to skip somethingnigga never heard of phones
>>128710869>connecting your phone to your PChehe I bet you also have an Alexa and a smartfridge, both connected to your phone as well
>>128710820I prefer to audibly DE-BU-SSYYYYYYY
>>128710900I lie down with earphones and listen to music on bed through my phone like a NORMAL MAN
>>128711105You should listen to music while walking outside and mutter comments to yourself and occasionally throw your hands up in triumph or despair. Like a uh normal man
>>128701308>>128701425>>128701498>>128701530>>128701561>>128702582I found these amusing, thanks
Vanska looks CGI or like a video game model here, it's creeping me outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUbS8R3jdYw&list=OLAK5uy_lddTRwVrqbeyxc5rzXvESs3JnrS2mwuPE&index=5
yknow who a real bitch is Karajan, whyd you conduct fucking everything, im fucking tired of it
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>>128712100He didn't conduct enough pieces
>mfw there are people in this thread right NOW who prefer Sibelius to Mahlersad
>>128712100The better question is why did he record five marginally different versions of everything.
did you know Saint-Saens has piano etudes?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goY8Q_nfZWU
now playingstart of Ahmet Adnan Saygun: Symphony No. 1, Op. 29https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kaTl8c_U1oBFX3lgbhYaYNps5CNebFPt0start of Ahmet Adnan Saygun: Symphony No. 2, Op. 30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWG8m2Uhx_k&list=OLAK5uy_kaTl8c_U1oBFX3lgbhYaYNps5CNebFPt0&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kaTl8c_U1oBFX3lgbhYaYNps5CNebFPt0A 20th century Turkish composer with 5 symphonies, string quartets, violin & viola & cello concertos, and some piano music. Hopefully it's good!
Mahler's 4th is by far his best but Das Lied von der Erde is better than any of his symphonies desu
>>128708181>opera objectively sucks at form and structureHow someone could listen to Figaro or Tristan and come to this conclusion.. it's like you haven't even listened to them. Astounding stupidity.
Early romantic > baroque > middle romantic > classical > late romantic
>>128713377modernist? minimalist? contemporary?
>>128713384Miss me with that shit lad
>>128713390*swing**miss*
>>128713377why do you separate romantic into three different periods but not baroque or classical? are you retarded?
>>128713929Because the romantic era was peak
>>128705469>When asked by his pupil Carl Czerny why the Eighth was less popular than the Seventh, Beethoven is said to have replied, "because the Eighth is so much better."
>>128713377Late Romantic is so clearly superior to Middle Romantic there's not even competition. Late Romantic has Liszt, Wagner, Bruckner, Brahms, Verdi, Mussorgsky, Grieg, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Wolf, Strauss, Mahler, Sibelius, Reger, etc. What does Middle Romantic have? Schumann and Mendelssohn. Sad.
>>128714804Indisputable post
Philip Glasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P0SW0VskaQ&list=OLAK5uy_nw03WluReHT0scrb_tOycbqJxo0Hdfs7M&index=1>Icelandic pianist V?kingur Olafsson pays tribute to the master of minimal music, Philip Glass. Olafsson was one of a handful of young pianists selected by Glass to perform all his Etudes together in London, and the reviews were ecstatic. The Financial Times claimed, "Best of all was Olafsson in the supersensitive stillness of Etude 5." In addition to the Etudes for solo piano, Piano Works (originally released in 2017 around Philip's 80th birthday) includes reworks of the originals for piano and string quartet.
Olafsson just made me think of something; are the historical classical musicians we most revere today the most popular in their own time? Off the top of my head that seems to be the case. So are there any examples of where a musician fell out of favor over time in the past hundred years?I suppose I ask because if musicians like Yuja Wang, Olafsson, Igor Levit, Hamelin, Queryas, Isabelle Faust, etc etc., are among the best-selling classical musicians today, then history tells us in the future they will be considered to have been the cream of the crop of our time, our contribution to the culture and lineage of classical musicians.Or has the media and culture and society shifted and fractured so much since that fame and quality are no longer correlated, even in the classical sphere?
>>128715546No one will look back at today's pianists.>fame and quality are no longer correlatedTrue.
>>128715910Hey now, Igor Levit has released some certified classics. The real issue will be for certain standard repertoire works like Liszt's Annees de pelerinage -- no matter how good a recording is, none will ever surpass Berman's as *the* certified classic recording. That certainly is the result of a diversified media landscape.
>>128715415indie classical
now playingstart of Rachmaninoff: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 36 (1931 Version)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHDTuognVuc&list=OLAK5uy_lqrrH0OHaeX70vVnMhd9h7iikPxVzPN8Q&index=2start of Grieg: Piano Sonata in E Minor, Op. 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FrZX1pkcoQ&list=OLAK5uy_lqrrH0OHaeX70vVnMhd9h7iikPxVzPN8Q&index=5start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7puZQ_I4c&list=OLAK5uy_lqrrH0OHaeX70vVnMhd9h7iikPxVzPN8Q&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lqrrH0OHaeX70vVnMhd9h7iikPxVzPN8Q
gonna build a time machine so I can travel back in time to make Chopin compose a Requiem at gunpoint
>>128716312Imagine if he worked on some shitty choral genre instead of all the piano perfection, would be the biggest crime in history
Just realized how nuts it is Schubert composed 9 symphonies, 21 piano sonatas, and 15 string quartets by the time he died at 31. I mean we all know that, but my point is imagine how many he'd have in each form if he had continued composing for another 20, 30 years?It's tricky because the 9th Symphony, the String Quartet No. 15, the 21st Piano Sonata, all seem like natural, culminating finales, yet there's a world where they are only a turning point for a run of all runs.
>>128716359Mozart and Schubert's early deaths are the two biggest tragedies in the history of art
>>128716359>>128716365plot twist: Schubert stops composing in all those genres at the age of 32, and becomes solely an opera composer
>>128716378those operas would be fucking great though
>opera>greatPick one
alright just drank some melatonin tea, so I should be out in an hour give-or-take -- what do to listen to in the meantime and as I pass into dreamland, hmm
Anyone here like Asger Hamerik?>Asger Hamerik is still one of the far too often overlooked great Danish composers. Dacapo has already introduced Hamerik to an audience through recordings of his complete symphonies and his Requiem. These profound works are here being reissued in an exclusive 4 SACD boxed set as Dacapo did earlier this year with Rued Langgaard s complete symphonies. This is grand Late Romantic music in the style of Berlioz, Hamerik s teacher, recorded by Thomas Dausgaard and Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra (Symphonies 1-6) and the Danish National Symphony Orchestra (Symphony no. 7 Choral and the Requiem).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=samajIi1LAk&list=OLAK5uy_mKgZe7BjTBOeH1L1JcWr1YnLWNyJClcpk&index=1Also kinda cool,>In 1874, The Sun reported, Hamerik "astonished musical America" by presenting a performance with orchestra and a 300-voice choir "devoted to nothing but American music." That seems to have been one of the first all-American classical programs in the country, possibly the first.
>>128716486The Isle of the Dead
The Holy Grail... Amazing how I am beset by these medieval visions when I listen to the mythic compositions of Wagner, Master of Music and Poetry. I am fighting alongside Richard the Lionheart and drinking wine with the Knights of the Round Table... I hear the call of the Black Forest, the rustle of trees, the scream of the eagle, the clatter of steel... Truer than the truth, the Spirit of Western Man is animated towards infinity in the most epic of legendary music. We are going to make it bros.https://youtu.be/a53s4jyCqqU
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>>128716758Wait for the bump limit retard
>>128716486Scheherazade
>>128716770no
>>128716788You risk getting the thread taken down, sister
okay so, i'm not sure if anyone else will understand this but for me, the key to my transition was a weird combination of wagnerian harmony and nietzsche. let me explain.so first off, i've always been drawn to classical music, and wagner's operas in particular. there's something about the way the music builds and swells and crashes that just resonates with me on a deep level. i used to listen to the overture to "tristan und isolde" on repeat for hours at a time, and it always made me feel like i was on the brink of something monumental.and then, i started reading nietzsche. his ideas about the will to power, about overcoming oneself, about creating oneself - they all spoke to me in a way that i couldn't quite explain. it was like he was describing a way of being that i had always been striving towards, but could never quite put into words.and then, one day, it all just clicked for me. i realized that if i was going to transition, if i was going to become the person i had always known i was meant to be, i would need to harness that same will to power that nietzsche talked about. i would need to overcome my fears and doubts and insecurities, and create the version of myself that i wanted to be.it wasn't easy, of course. there were a lot of obstacles and setbacks along the way. but every time i felt like giving up, i would put on some wagner and let the music remind me of the power that i had within me. and every time i needed a philosophical boost, i would turn to nietzsche and let his words inspire me to keep going.and now, here i am, fully transitioned and living my best life. i still listen to wagner and read nietzsche, and they still give me that same sense of power and inspiration that they always have. i don't know if everyone will find the same kind of motivation in these things that i did, but for me, they were the keys to realizing the sufficiency of will necessary to self-overcome and transition.
>>128716450*picks both easily*
