>mediocre guitar player>never bothered putting any effort into his playing or his songwritting>came in the studio with the Beatles with half assed ideas, and expected everyone else to collaborate>most of the stuff he made is absolute filler trash>only ever started getting good by the end of the Beatles, but even then never applied himself at all>his best album is a handful of good songs among a ton of filler and terribly overproduced>pushed that lame indian bullshit, never even bothering to learn how to play it properly>his solos are awful>whiny bitch who threatened to quit whenever people didn't do what he wanted>would have been a total nobody if he wasn't in the Beatles to begin with
He allowed the heart and soul of the band's identity to walk so he could turn it into his solo project pop outfit. He doesn't have any genius or aesthetic talent as evidenced by the general lack of quality from The Ballad Of Mona Lisa onward, which itself features a butchered Nearly Witches.He may have been the voice of the band (although Behind The Sea shows not strictly necessary), but with how far his leadership strayed from the first two albums, it's pretty evident now he was not much more than that. I wish he had just retired the name after failing with the 3rd album.
He made one truly excellent album (Fevers And Mirrors) and then phoned it in for the rest of his career to do lame countr—I'm sorry, *folk*—shit with either shitty instrumentation, poor melodies, or no energy.Plus he's an alcoholic libshit that pissed away his good looks and fan goodwill with his emotionally unstable bullshit.
>>128713037Fuck you, nigger. George was based. So glad he made “All Things Must Pass” and didn’t allow those others faggots to in share those amazing songs. That was the biggest “fuck you” album and it paid off.
Perry Como. "(There’s No Place Like) Home for the Holidays" is the gayest shit I've ever heard.
He was the coolest Beatle
They had a serious grip on the zeitgeist during the prime hipster era and ultimately did nothing with it. Their failure to act in service of establishing their aesthetic as a seriously subculture movement is in one part directly responsible for the surge in popularity of nigshit after this era concluded, for lack of anywhere else for younger people to turn to.Their response to being culturally ousted, "Unbearably White", is defeatist and goes to show how little perspective the band had in terms of their potential influence and authority.They pissed away a huge opportunity to be just-musicians, and the broader culture ultimately suffered for it for lack of anyone else to carry their torch.
>>128713208It's really just boring imo.
Emily Armstrong because of them spamming
>>128713231which musicians were public super-fans of GeorgeJohn Lennon had Kurt Cobain
btw Yoko saved John from turning into boring schlock like he was doing on Sgt. Pepper
>>128713259Clapton, Dylan, Sinatra, Johnny Marr, Alex Turner, Lemmy, and me
I hate everything about Gene Simmons
>>128713037I can't really hate rappers because they aren't actually musicians.
Weird AlAnnoying vocal, boring cartoony production, lame parodies championed by the most insufferable, tasteless listeners imaginable
https://youtu.be/6kIxtbgv4Bg
>>128713468some people just hate fun
>>128713117Based
>>128713037I hate any musician who pushed liberal politics. This includes Taylor SwiftMiley CyrusOld fart bands from the millennials Gen X and boomers
>>128713117> He may have been the voice of the band (although Behind The Sea shows not strictly necessary)Finally, someone said it. I generally agree with everything you said but I’ll even go a step further and give an even hotter take >The Young Veins was far better than 90% of the shit Brendon made and VLV basically cemented this. I know everyone is sick of people hyping up Ryan, but he was a good artist in his own right and definitely could’ve succeeded had he been more persistent. The Young Veins’ biggest was never quality but rather lack of visibility and persistence. Ryan was never going y gain Urie’s following, but he definitely would have had a sizable loyal audience.Also I will say that even as someone who did like Vices and Virtues, I always had this feeling it felt like it was trying to recapture the magic that AFYCSO had without understanding what made it work. The return to form was nice, but frankly I don’t think the album needed to be made to begin with. The best song on it was already a butchering of material Ryan wrote. If this album was going to be made anyway, it would’ve been better off as a finale rather than using it to just to prop Urie’s solo career up. I fucking hated how his feature was “Featuring Brendon Urie Of Panic! At The Disco!” and seeing songs like high hopes or viva las vengeance was such a stark contrast in quality to what we originally had. Besides, V&V already had a decent short film that felt like a decent book end. Even as flawed as Urie’s rendition of Nearly Witches is, I think it would’ve been a great final song for the band.>TL;DR, Northern Downpour should’ve been Ryan’s song
>>128714059I think the hardest-hitting criticism of Ryan is that he was lazier or less serious about music than Brendon considering how little of it he released since leaving PATD despite nothing stopping him.I've seen the implication that Ryan left because his drug and partying addiction was interfering with actually being in the band. I don't believe it was over "creative differences".I think Brendon saw a low opportunity to get more control over the band, and decided to take it rather than focus on getting Ryan back on track and in the game. It's unfortunate that they were only in their early 20s, because they really needed each other to act like bigger men at that time and work through their problems instead of just cutting ties.I see Vices & Virtues as being made more out of obligation and sense of expectation. Brendon's heart wasn't in it and Spencer didn't seem to care any which way. It was an attempt to testrun his future plans for the band in a nostalgic package. But I felt the uncanny valley and immense disappointment immediately.Not counting Nearly Witches demo, the last canon PATD track is New Perspective, in my view:https://youtu.be/d3sA5plF6kE
I'd mention every single rap/hiphop musician to have ever defecated into this form of art, if such putrid decay was considered art.
>>128714507Canibus is good:https://youtu.be/tHGNrK66Byw
>>128713037I don't even like The Beatles and I can easily confirm that you're an ultra-faggot.
>>128714420I think your reading of the dynamic is an interesting partially because it may not be far off from the truth to be honest. Ryan’s drug problem did end up carrying over to TYV era https://youtu.be/gJf3yf-IPA0 (1:30). Additionally we know about how Ryan and Jon were shut down repeatedly. Brendon from what I recall, did try to undermine Ross a couple times in the later concerts when it was getting tense. I won’t say Ryan is entirely blameless when it comes to lack of output, but he wasn’t exactly surrounded by the best company either. He had a stalker fan who LARPed as Brendon, had equipment stolen, and a shitty manager who hacked his accounts and deleted his music.I agree strongly about how they definitely needed each other. Because even though they had their problems, it felt like it was never unsolvable. At the bare minimum, they should’ve gone on hiatus and let Ross get the beatlemania out of his system if it was that much of a problem while Brendon does his solo act. Ryan’s manager did try to push for them to come back a couple times and even Ryan once said he wasn’t opposed to the idea of working together again. Vices and virtues, I can see being made out of obligation but also desperation. I said Nearly Witches was its best song but it’s also emblematic of what the album represents, the uncanny feeling of trying to mimic what Ross did without understanding it. Would I say their heart is in it? Well I’d say it was in the same sense that your heart is in a school project that you’re just now working on near the due date. Maybe it’s because I gave too much benefit of the doubt to Brendon, but part of me did interpret his rendition of the song as lamenting and honoring Ross.Yeah New Perspective is a pretty good song. I kind of forgot it came before V&V. I think the best we can hope for the band at this point in terms of Ross quality content is Jon leaking Cricket and Clover demos.
>>128713037>doesn't mention fucking every wife under the sunNot even good ragebait
>>128714975Ultimately, I think whatever the cases may have been, we have to one make peace with things having gone down the way they did, and two actually salvage the good stuff and start promoting it again. Their stuff from back then should be much more popular and well-known now than they are currently, and I think it's because old fans like us are, like you say, "taking them for granted" just because they were big when we were young, and assuming younger potential fans wouldn't or shouldn't care, so there'd be no point in us pushing the material. In reality, I think a lot of people are clamoring for stuff of this quality we've just been sitting on.Maybe if it gets even more popular by then, Brendon will do a 30 year anniversary release of the demos or something. He may just be saving them for a hype moment at this point.
>>128713476case in point.
>>128715429 It is a shame what happened did go down the way it did, but I am glad we have these things preserved anyways. Besides, hearing that the demo for Lying Is The Most Fun came out gave me some hope.> "taking them for granted"Is this a reference to new perspective or are you referencing what I said in the other thread? Damn that’s kind of funny either way haha. Well if it’s any consolation to you, I did discover them last year and I’m in my 20’s. I wasn’t an emo or goth or whatever in highschool. I had real no nostalgia or attachment prior to last year besides hearing “Lying Is The Most Fun” in saints row 2 when I was younger. Out of boredom, I sat down one day and gave Fever a chance, it felt great. I then gave Pretty. Odd, TYV, and yes even later projects a chance. Unfortunately yes, I am a poser who got into it too late and I don’t know if you made this post or not >>128714712 but reading it resonated with me and reminded of your post. There really is not much like these two albums and they are worth sharing to other generations. They have merit that isn’t just nostalgia. After all, the festival did have younger have younger fans and I’d like to think that we are slowly getting closer to some sort of renaissance or at least something fun.
>>128713037what about ringo
>>128713037I like George but he and John shitting on their own legacy is really annoying for some reason. It feels like poser ego behavior to imply that the objectively best material you ever put out was lesser just because it was in association with some people you had a falling out with.
>>128713037he was fairly talented and would have had a few hits if he had emerged as a singer-songwriter without the Beatles connection. however, that was his curse. compare with Ringo who always knew he was a replaceable drummer and was happy to be along for the ride.
>>128713231 YOKO: "George is sophisticated, fashionwise..."JOHN: "He's very trendy, and he has the right clothes on, and all of that."YOKO: "But he's not sophisticated, intellectually."
>>128713329>Sinatralol, frankie thought Macca wrote Something
>sounds like an angry faggot in most songs>clearly wants to be black and say the n word>doesn't smile in his pictures to try to look cool>corny dad jokes in his "rhymes">still thinks rapping fast is impressive to his dumbass audience>constantly complains about critics not liking his music in his songs despite being the greatest selling rapper of all time>sold his music out by collaborating with the likes of pink, ed sheeran, x ambassadors, rihanna, etc...>shitty rick ruben rap rock beats>inspired a generation of cornball miracle spiritual rappers who whine about "mumble rap"
>>128713468I like his original compositions better like Hardware Store but I really don't think a lot of the parodies take much talent to write
>>128713037>george harrison didn't die youngYO, what the fuck? What kind of bullshit Mandela effect is this? I remember he died not too long after John Lennon.
>stupid>ugly>whore>shit songs
>>128718580you could say 68 is young for a rich person
>>128713661this
>>128713037George was best looking (at least when long hair became fashionable and he could hide his jug ears) and funniest. he wins. cope.
>>128718631he was 58
>>128713037Probably picrel. I dunno i kinda hope he's lying face down in a gutter somewhere
>>128713661>>128720127Yeah? Well I hate modern neo-Nazis and I especially loathe the coward simp faggots who won't fucking fight them. So fuck you and your asshole friends.
the entirety of Rage "Against" The Machine
>nepo baby>started off making tiktoks about residential schooling and missing/murdered indigenous women>moves to LA after someone from there wanted to collaborate with her after seeing TikTok>becomes a shit singer who sings on beat that sounds like Daniel Caesar (who’s Christian)>wasted all her “good” lyrics on tiktoks before becoming a singerShe always seem entitled and spoiled despite coming from the Rez and doesn’t have anything to say in her music. Her success is annoying to me as an indigenous artist myself.
>>128724193Mad
