>Metal>Spits Satanism in your ears directly and says they take it seriously or are joking r>Pop Music>Hides it in subliminal messages, partake in human trafficking and cocaine parties with Ozempic, says they are just rumors
>>128717730One has groups doing kayfabe whereas the other is an arm of intelligence operations.
>>128717730>>Pop Music>>Hides it in subliminal messages, partake in human trafficking and cocaine parties with Ozempic, says they are just rumorsIs there an actual Satanist pop song?Every time I hear a schizo talk about "muh satanism", it's actually just a very bad (I'd even say blasphemous) reading of the Bible. I remember Gaga swearing on Lucifer and schizos being "see? She isn't swearing on God, must be a Satanist" My nigga, swearing on God is blasphemy.The closest I've seen a song being at least esoteric was Death by Melanie Martinez, and even that was pretty sloppy. But even for that song you need to stretch the definition of Satanism quite a lot.
>>128718510Point being: obvious heresy like Metal groups frequently engage in are either elaborate acts of kayfabe/LARPing or, for the few that are genuine, too niche to matter. Pop acts, who engage in heresy or blasphemy, are much subtler and take a trained audience to pick up on the cues. Ergo, the values they normalize are much more culturally corrosive than even the most obnoxiously blasphemous Metal band. Bands like Nunslaughter or Grand Belial's Key don't have the same reach Lady Gaga or Chappell Roan have.
>>128718510>Is there an actual Satanist pop song?Madonna did a fewher actual stage name is already blasphemy in case you haven't cottoned on to that already
>>128718644>Madonna did a fewSuch as? Any video that delves into them?>you haven't cottoned on to that alreadyBeen there, done that. Madonna is "m'lady" in Italian. You think calling some french woman "madame" is also blasphemy?Wanna see something actually blasphemous regarding the Mother of Jesus?You can't call Mary the Mother of Christ, it's heretical as per council of Ephesus.But no one stopped an actual Catholic Church from calling itself that way, nor all the hymns called "Mother of Christ" being written by Catholics.
>>128719176>Madonna is "m'lady" in Italianliterally only ever used to refer to the alleged mother of the alleged prophet
>>128718644>her actual stage name is already blasphemyno it's not
>>128719275k
>>128719313explain in your own words why calling oneself madonna is blasphemous.
>>128719313outfit is kinda cool
>>128717730The real Satan is the prince of lies, so real Satanists would never admit to being Satanists. Open Satanists are posers.
>>128719490I think the guy who said "I'm the son of God" was the prince of liars imo.
>>128719338no, I am not gonna play the no true scotsmen game with you
>>128718539>obvious heresy like Metal groupsIt's obvious heresy only to a 14 years old.Their whole heresy doesn't go beyond the first page of Google. Those pussies are so scared of any consequence they don't even do clear vocals. If they are so scared of getting a slap on the wrist from the authorities, you think they'll be ballsy enough to get really deep into religious satanism?>take a trained audience to pick up on the cues.My point being: the "trained audience" is not actually trained.None of them know the Bible (and Israelite history) enough to go "jews worship moloch" or whatever.>NunslaughterCase in point:>Go to the metal archive>Open first demo album by Nunslaughter>Check the title of the second song>Hells Unholy FireI have never heard of anyone calling the fire in hell as unholy, except for normies, because they always see Satan in fire, and since fire is linked to evil itself, then it must be also evil. It is either a cleansing from sin, or a punishment of sinners. Sin is not the Fire, even if they conflate the two things ("The Unholy Fire brings total damnation")."As you suffer in Hells Unholy Fire" is like saying "As you suffer in Washing Machine's Dirty Detergent".>Grand Belial's KeyAgain,>Figures robed in black sworn to secrecy >Blazing candles placed in the sign of BaphometBaphomet was worshipped by the Templars, who dressed white with a red cross. Like, what are we doing? "Black equals edgy and spooky, so devil worshippers dress black". Those are grown ass men btw.>>128719313And what's blasphemous about this depiction, exactly? Also, wtf, anon. Her actual name is Madonna Louise Ciccone.Blame her parents for that.Schizos are so lazy.
>>128717730Pop isnt actually satanic its just soulless. Boring executives of record studios putting some satanic references in random shit because they know a little satanic panic is tried and true strategy for creating publicity that will make them more money. None of the pop stars really had much creative input in it. Its also not really "subliminal" unless you're dumb as rocks.Great example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOubzHCUt48
>MUH SATANISM I love how it’s not enough that pop musicians sing about self-destructive hedonism. No! If you play the music backwards and fold the liner notes into origami then you’ll see the real message is evil! k thx I thought the dude banging underage groupies who died of an overdose was a role model. Thankfully the christians exposed his nefarious satanic plot.
you realize the bible is made up right?
>>128719753>Madonna Louise Cicconeit's Louise Ciccone, Schlomo
>>128717730oh god is that a bald black woman I'm so scared
>>128717730Ozempic is satanist?
>>128720132You shouldn't trust AI, anon.Her mom had the same name btw, Madonna Louise Fortin Ciccone.
>>128719753>Baphomet was worshipped by the Templars, who dressed white with a red cross. No they didn't. Baphomet is a name they brought back from the Crusade, they heard Turks shout Muhammed's name and they misheard it as Baphomet (I think they say Mahumet, obviously with an accent). King Philip IV, before the Western Schism that basically created two Popes, started the rumor that the Templars worshipped a demon named Baphomet and tortured a couple until they said they did. Huge political move, no one ever worshiped (or whatever word might be more fitting) Baphomet until relatively recently.A poet/"magician" started creating images for demons so he could sell gay ass magic books around 1850. That spread a little and was picked up by Alistair Crowley. 200 years later, metal dorks still think he is heckin' neato and dark and satanic. But they're really just worshipping Muhammed. GAY.
not saying that luciferianism isn't retarded. just that they exist and are very influential in Europe and the NY social elite and are apparently trying to make inroads into Nashville. I wonder if they'll continue to cleave to their unbelievably tacky aesthetic now that people are catching on to what it represents
>>128719176Not really true. The council deemed calling Mary *simply* the mother of Christ as heretical, Mary is the mother of Christ but more fully she is the mother of God, the issue is that nestorius and anted to refer to her as only the mother of Christ and not the mother of God
>>128721468of course you can source that pic
>>128719876Everything's made up, that doesn't mean anything. Satan's made up too.
>>128721600This anon knows.Except for the fact that the Templars in France weren't the same people who took part in the Crusades, since the last Crusade before the Siege of Acre happened in 1272, 40 years before they got disbanded (in 1312).I'm agreeing more with the idea that it was just the ramblings of people who got tortured a little bit too much.>>128721888Then what was she before her son got anointed?That said, the whole council was a shit show. Even so, the Catholics recognize it as valid. If anon thinks that calling yourself Madonna is blasphemy, then much probably he isn't a protestant.A protestant wouldn't care much about the councils, but that anon is bound by them. Honestly, I'd even agree with the other position (Androtokos), but you need some nuance to understand it. Hence, the whole council of Ephesus.
>>128717730Where the fuck
>>128725309Were all the
>>128725318Ozempic cocaine parties
>>128725323When I was
>>128725335Younger
>>128717730>partake in human traffickingWhich is only ok if the perps are Republicans, right?
>>128725613Where does OP say or even imply that? Luciferianism serves the same function as Epstein's parties, btw. It's a designer religion whose primary function is to proliferate a network of auto-compromising adherents situated in positions of influence and power.
>>128726500>Where does OP say or even imply that?Considering where we are, I don't think it's an irrational assumption.Republicans have made it clear that they only care about corruption and child sex crimes when their political opposition is guilty of them.>Luciferianism serves....Lol stfu dude
>>128718510>Is there an actual Satanist pop song?All of them are, you fucking retard. Do you think a satanic song should be "i worship satan i worship satan"? fucking moron. Every time they lead a young woman into drugs, self abuse, superficial promiscuity thats the satanic part. Not "le hail satan" meme.Amy Whinehouse was pure luciferian. Even worse than Madonna. At least by dying she kinda converted into a cautionary tale, but women are too stupid to notice it.
>>128726547no, really. the gotthard tunnel opening ceremony and more recently the paris olympic opening ceremony were openly satanic. this points to the existence of satanists in media, entertainment and municipal if not federal government
>>128728054Artists - especially those of the juvenile, middling variety - have a long history of trying hard to provoke and offend conservatards such as yourself. Take your fuckin meds, dude.If you want to see pure evil in action, look no further than the US government right now. No mental gymnastics or decoding of esoteric woo woo necessary - it's all happening right in front of our eyes.
>>128728266I was wooed by these assholes during my time in the local EDM scene. you will not gaslight me so easily
>>128728266>If you want to see pure evil in action, look no further than the US government right nowarghhhhhhhh the god given rights of sommali scamming the government, nooo satan, we wont let you take that from us!
>>128728532Ya got me, I'm one of ""them"">>128728534Sarcasm and strawmanning, kewl.
>>128719753>>128721600Fact is, Pop is a massively funded delivery system for a different religion - one whose virtues include expressive individualism, sexual libertinism, and consumerism that effectively define the industrialized west's politics and culture - and that has much greater reach than even Metal's most controversial forms. Unlike the other anon, I'm not literally claiming Pop music is Satanic but rather a soft catechism for neoliberalism's values: narcissism, libido, consumption, vanity and more. Unlike Metal whose themes cover teenage angst and horror flick/sci-fi/fantasy tropes across album-length releases, Pop music subverts public morality through its promotion of vice.Yeah, bands like Nunslaughter aren't exactly Rhodes scholars of Satanic knowledge. They're just dorks who discovered dark texts and are in permanent revolt against their pastors' interminable lectures every Sunday. All of this shit, as I mentioned, is kayfabe and part of a greater self-selecting niche. Love it or lump it.Where I disagree is that Pop music is harmless because Tove Lo isn't telling her audience to hail Satan. Fags like Sam Smith might, but his knowledge of Satanism is probably even more superficial than Nunslaughter's line-up. It doesn't take a genius to understand the vices Pop music promotes as virtue or normative values.
None of these people are satanists and in fact they’re such not satanists that you literally have to cope by arguing that true satanism is when you aren’t explicitly Christian.
>>128728626>but rather a soft catechism for neoliberalism's values: narcissism, libido, consumption, vanity and moreIf you honestly think "neoliberals" are more guilty of these sins than current-year conservatives, you really need to leave whatever bubble you sniff your farts in once and a while.
>>128728786This isn't about libtards vs cuckservatives. This is about the post-war west as a whole. No one's arguing people like Andrew Tate or Steven Crowder aren't massive grifters conning huge swaths of people. What is being argued is that liberalism enables the powers-that-be to turn decadence into a lifestyle. No one living in the West is immune to this.
>>128728820>What is being argued is that liberalism enables the powers-that-be to turn decadence into a lifestyleSex sells, excess sells, excitement sells - this is nothing new. The corporations and artists are just exploiting basic human nature - and they'd be just as successful in their endeavors without the blue-haired, septum-ringed, pansexually liberated boogeymen that I'm guessing you endlessly bitch and moan about.If anything, modern-day conservatism is even worse than liberalism, given that a sizable percentage of people who claim to be conservative behave like demons while operating under the banner of Christianity. The wolf in sheep's clothing tends to be more dangerous than the ones who present themselves as wolves.
>>128728992>blue-haired, septum-ringed, pansexually liberated boogeymen that I'm guessing you endlessly bitch and moan about.This isn't even about them although they're annoying enforcers of the system's values. I'm not making a religious argument either.Sex selling isn't exactly news, although honestly, I question even that especially considering the vast majority of women with OnlyFans accounts collect poverty wages. No one's arguing that "corporations / activists / blue-haired whoevers made me do it," it's incentives: engagement metrics + ad markets + global distribution. The machine would still optimize for libido/ego/status because it potentially prints money, but even that is in question because, again, so many e-girls can't make ends meet. Sex sells may have been more true between the 1970s-1990s when media was a lot more limited, but with the advent of free Internet porn, only so many people there can make it. Simply put, sites like OnlyFans sell attention and the idea of being in a digital relationship, not actually sex. Tellingly, exactly 3 creators took in 12% of the site's total income. So yeah, sex isn't going to sell in a crowded market, but that's another discussion entirely.Your point of conservatives being hypocrites strengthens my point, actually. Liberalism corrodes everything even its supposed opposition because private vice is ubiquitous. Tell me, who has the institutional capacity to rebrand vice as virtue and beam it to kids by default? That's not about who sins more; it's about who writes the curriculum.
>>128729143>this isn't even about them although they're annoying enforcers of the system's valuesThe "system's" values that you're referring to are largely shaped by people like this. The liberal intellectuals behind the scenes who actively promote all manner of degeneracy are few and far between - and many of those people *are* the type of individuals I was referring to.>I question even that especially considering the vast majority of women with OnlyFans accounts collect poverty wagesIt's because most people are struggling financially, and therefore they tend to opt for free material. Sorry, but your onlyfans data isn't going to disprove the fact that lust/sex is, and has always been, the most marketable sin.>Your point of conservatives being hypocrites strengthens my point, actuallyNo it doesn't. Conservatives actively promote immoral behavior under the guise of Christianity. It's not just covert activity.>Liberalism corrodes everything even its supposed opposition because private vice is ubiquitousThis is the dumbest thing you've said so far. Not only are conservatives not influenced by liberals (generally speaking, of course), they actively despise them and make a concerted effort to avoid content created by them.>Tell me, who has the institutional capacity to rebrand vice as virtue and beam it to kids by default?Rich capitalists.Try to keep the next one short and sweet. You talk way too fucking much, and I'm on a phone.
