NO NO NO NO NO! YOU LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GUITAR PROPERLY GODDAMMIT!!
>>128733321*types with tiny hands
>>128733321is something supposed to be wrong with capos?
>>128733321No one thinks that a capo is a substitute for good technique, the only people who think that are people who just learned barre chords and think they’re the shit. Capos are very useful if you’re a singer and need to transpose a song into a key that serves your vocal range. Also, trying to relearn an entire song in a different position just to avoid using a capo is dumb because you lose the timbre that accompanies specific chord shapes, it just won’t sound right.
>>128733321If youre compensating for not knowing your inversions, yeah you're fuckin shitif youre deliberately changing the open strings to make them be notes you couldnt conveniently hit otherwise, or introduce some tasty extensions to your chords, then go on lad make some fawkin art
>>128733514ThisI have to transpose most songs -5 semitones because of my low voice range and need capos to play the right chord voicings for the key im trying to play and sing inTook me a few years of trying to play covers in the original key and tunung down a full or more steps down from standard tuning before I realized the correct way to change keys for singing is to change the key and chord shapes to a voicing that doesnt compete with my vocal range which is close to E2 or a bit lower to A#3Now the only issues are my lack of practicing in these different keys and how my laminate guitar seems to lack the same body as my voice
>>128733514>>128733628these are really long ass ways of saying "I dont know my inversions"
what happens if I want to play an open string?
>>128733321Hey OP, how to out yourself as a clueless shit guitar player without saying HEY, I'M A CLUELESS SHIT GUITAR PLAYER!Stick to vidya games, you have to right to pretend to play the guitar. Maybe a skin flute is more your style?
>>128733866Songs dont sound right if you just play inversions without capoi know inversions its just that those 3 string chords dont sound good on acoustic
>>128733866I bet you're incapable of singing and playing at the same timeWhy the fuck would you want to play a bunch of dinky jazz voicings when the song needs open strings?
Trivia time: The first TV appearance of a Stratocaster was Buddy Holly on December 1st, 1957 during the Ed Sullivan show, using a capo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mDGcxbAusg
>>128733942>3 string chordslmao>>128733978>singing and playing at the same timebeen doing this since i was like 8 years old effortlessly>when the song needs open strings?>needimagine having such little creativity to insist such a thingLook at these noobs coping and seething folks
>>128733439>>128733514Capos are simply a tool to play in different keys without retuning your guitar to impossible tuningsNo one ever said they're "cheating" or anything
>>128734700That is cheating though..you might as well tune every song to use as many open strings as possible
>>128734712>cheatingIt's just music. Not a sport you retard.
>>128734712I know what you're doing. Stay in your thread, faggot
>>128733866You’re a retard dude. If you took a song originally played with a capo and did it without by using inversions, it would end up sounding drastically different to the original depending on which inversions you use. It’s unnecessary and you’re actually doing less to serve the song in the process. No reason to do it other than technical posturing.Also, since you’re so keen to flex your chops, post a vocaroo of you attempting to play Never Going Back Again in the original key without a capo. I’ll wait
You didn't build that beat
>>128734690>implying that another interval instead of an open string might sound bettetYou really dont understand how a guitar player might prefer certain voicings as they work better with their voice
>>128734738>No reason to do it other than technical posturing.again, youre void of creativity and probably just sound like stale imitation replication mixmaxer youtube faggot that doesnt make anything creative original or unique. youre always going to be a clone.im not wasting time to record playing a literal 2 chord song for you that i could make a better version of playing in like 5-6 different positions than you >>128734804Its literally just go from one cope excuse ad hominem to the next with these people
>>128734804>still turning limitations into some kind of attack on lack of music knowledge or abilitykek
>>128734825Can you provided an example of how playing a song in 5-6 different positions would sound better? Is it like what jeff buckley would do? Never really listened to him but heard hes praised for his covers and use of different voicings
>>128734825>youre void of creativity and probably just sound like stale imitation replication mixmaxer youtube faggotNo, I’m all for creative reinterpretations of songs, as long as it stays true to/serves the vision of the original. Theres a reason why someone else wrote the song the way it is and not you, because you’re a faggot who probably thinks Tommy Emmanuel’s version of Classical Gas is better than the original because “muh inversions!”>im not wasting time to record playing a literal 2 chord song for you that i could make a better version of playing in like 5-6 different positions than youLmao what a pussy, opinion fully discarded. if you were actually competent at guitar you’d at least acknowledge the real difficulty of that song is in the right hand technique, not the chord sequence. But no, you’d rather posture about inversions and being “”creative”” than actually put your money where your mouth is.
>>128735001Yeah i lost faith in this guys argument since he went on about being better and more creative without actually doing anything, i would really like to know how this guy thinks he can make the song better by playing more inversions than the original
>>128734883its not some concrete thing dawg. its art, and depending on what youre going for, sticking to one position can sound better, or using the variety of options available to you can. at this point in time, for me it boils down to (but is definitely not limited by)>whats the goal/context>who am I playing with>what space needs to be filled or is presently unoccupied sonicallyyou can get a lot more mileage sonically out of even just a single chord by knowing as many positions (using as many strings, and then working down from that) as possible. some things I mess with are>create riffs>exploit how the top note changes to voice lead melodies>consecutive double,triple,quadruple, quintuple, sextuple stops without much hand motion Then once you consider that EVERY chord has at least 5 different 5-6 string inversions, its a whole ass infinite thingits weird and surprising once you get working with it enough I think I was originally trying to better understand bob weir, chet atkins, joe pass, wes montgomery, as well as various jazz piano players, and stumbled upon fleshing out my own style, if what i write seems weird pretentious and foreignas far as this specifically:>Can you provided an example of how playing a song in 5-6 different positions would sound better?You gotta go experiment with the tunes youre playing. sometimes it works amazing, sometimes you dont need 5-6 positions. its just another massive toolbox to have at your disposal. One thing I can think of off the top of my head is creating natural emotional/energetic "rise/fall" in the amount of energy/power youre putting off, in order to put more emphasis in certain parts of songs and make them hit harder. If you go way high up on the neck it'll sound light and weak but then you can come in really hard if you move down to the lower frets or even open voicings
>>128735076Obviously if you’re learning a song note for note it can get a bit robotic, but ultimately I would much rather listen to a cover that exemplifies what makes the original so great than listen to someone using the song as an excuse to show off. there’s too many talented guitarists out there who take a song and absolutely butcher the subtlety by adding too many notes, substituting or reharmonizing chords or whatever. The logical endpoint of that is Jacob Collier and despite all his musical ingenuity he can’t write a good song to save his life
>>128735001stay mad. cope and seethe. I dont care. I give a fuck about tommy emmanuel.you can personal attack me all you want. you're likely just a clone only capable of imitating what already exists and will never innovate
>>128735118>>128735001all your egos are making knowing inversions about showing off and having an ego, when its about not ignoring all the shit tons of different colored cans of paint at your disposal. i feel bad for you guys
>>128735145Oh and like I saidEverybody gonna make all the excuses in the world to rationalize not knowing inversions and being shitters rather than just learn some simple fucking chords
>>128735128Why would I be mad? I’m entertained, if anything. It’s not a personal attack on you, don’t be so sensitive. I’m mocking your pathological obsession with being seen as a trailblazer. If you want to actually innovate, write your own material. If you can’t recognise what made the original so great and innovative in the first place, why would you be able to recognise the ingenuity and novelty of your own art?
>>128735099Thanks for the reply not sure if youre the guy who posted >>128734825But i got humbled in thread for my ad hominems and lack of theory knowledge (im used to trolling) What kind of music do you play? Is it on electric or acoustic/classical? All Im trying to do is sing in key with what im playing and i usually practice cowbow chord hank williams songs on an acoustic using a capo and changing the key and voicings so I can actually sing the vocal melody without strain. Sounds like you went further with another goal in mind.
>>128735145If I were to take the Mona Lisa and start chucking buckets of paint over it like I’m pretending to be Jackson Pollock, does that make me an artist? It’s ironic that you talk about ego yet you’ve spent this entire thread bragging about the many different ways you can play a song. Shame it’s all for the birds though
>>128735182but i never denied what made whats already been written great? you keep moving the goal posts and strawmanning and this just feels like im talking to a retarded person > write your own material. working on it!>>128735203>What kind of music do you play?been looking for/developing my own sound for like 6 years now, after playing guitar on and off for like 15. have a reggae/funk/jamband project, a postrock/blackgaze sorta thing, and a singer/song writer larp for when im solo. in addition tryna find how I approach/think about jazz in order to further develop my own sound I got going with figuring out inversions by figuring out how to play all the cowboy chords without capos in every position. my hands are probably bigger than average. Like you can play an open G major, but then you can play that shape anywhere on the neck, its just that your finger becomes the capo or what were the open strings. If you know cowboy open C,A,G,E,D, then you now know every major chord in 5 positions using 5-6 strings on the neck. Repeat for minor. Then you can modify those shapes adding different extensions as you please and it goes from there. Your fretting hand thumb is more powerful than you might realize
>>128735245YesFalsecope harder
>>128735335Yeah my thumb cant fret the low e because my hands arent big enough, I can play all the cowboy chords and barre them too except for the open g, the closest i can get is using pinky on high high e, ring on low e, middle on A string, then trying to barre two frets behind that with the index if I was trying to use the open g shape to play a major without capoAre you able to fret the low e with your thumb? Seems like people who can fret with their thumb have a different learning curve
>>128735436yeah I can fret low E and A with my thumb. my thumb is long, weird, and "double jointed" or whatever such flexibility memewe're all different. you gotta be you and find how that person plays guitarDjango did a hell of a lot more with 2 fingers than I ever will
>>128735436>>128735595 Also I should say, I couldnt do what I described to you with playing all the cowboy chords without open strings/capo automatically. I had to practice in order to get them clean, equal pressure, correct pitch, etc and be able to play them and change between them fluidly. im still going through practicing and learning as many extensions as possible as well as getting faster changing between them
>>128735335>but i never denied what made whats already been written great?You are if you rebuild a song using inversions just to avoid using a capo. That’s autistic as fuck. You end up needlessly putting time and effort into relearning a song so that it sounds (at best) almost exactly the same, or you go off on some self-indulgent tangent and forget whatever the core of the song is supposed to be. Meanwhile everyone else who takes their craft seriously are respecting the silence that serves as the foundation of creativity. Who the fuck are you?
>>128736035bro you sound absolutely insufferable and boring. id love to hear what you create with your footloose laws on making music
>>128736035and at no point am I claiming doing anything youre saying about me. youre just cope, projection, and doing some ridiculous dance because I pointed out you dont know inversions and use a capo as a crutch
>>128736035>You are if you rebuild a song using inversions just to avoid using a capothis logic doesnt follow btw. people cover songs in their own way all the time without denying the original
>>128736035>Who the fuck are you?gonna be a known established innovator of the instrument in another year or two while youre still being busy a mediocre clone of what already exists like 99% of the internet
>>128736035>that it sounds (at best) almost exactly the sameclear indication you neither know inversions nor have any creativity
>>128736035this all just reads like some narrowminded retarded boomer from a flyover state that doesnt make art, understand creativity, and is seriously uncomfortable with things being different from some limited definition of whats "normal/acceptable". You cant handle that the idea of things being new or different (in addition to your own shortcomings/limitations on the instrument) make you feel, so you project the problem you have with yourself on to me rather than acknowledge how you feel you'll either>say you didnt read>not respond>move the goal posts again>claim im doing some shit that youre making up as another projectionyour move
and lastly before I dip outta here. Totally unforseen consequence of spending the last year and a half practicing the shit out of inversions. Im gonna piss off and trigger shit tons of coping uncreative chordlets that are gonna project their shortcomings and inadequacies onto me as I fucking kill itthank you all for the brief glimpse of the future. im stoked. keep on hatin'
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>>128736076It ain’t reggae jamband or post-blackened memegaze, that’s for sure.>>128736107>I pointed out you dont know inversions and use a capo as a crutchYou have no idea what I know lmao. You’re just assuming because I’m the only one willing to defend using a capo. Capos are tools just like inversions are tools, just like you’re a tool. They can be used and abused. The caged system from which you derived those inversions is a useful way for beginners to visualise the fretboard, but it can also be limiting in that you end up playing in boxes. It can also lead to some inefficient picking patterns, and there isn’t a good way to visualise diminished chords either. So for all your talk about “innovating”, you’re really just trapping yourself inside of a bigger jail. All because you’re too autistic to do what countless brilliant songwriters have done before you and used a capo.
>>128736122I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m just pushing back on the idea that capos are a cope just because the dude learned the caged system 5 mins ago and thinks he’s hot shit.>>128736138And you say I’m the egotistical one? lol, lmao>>128736216Do you unironically believe inversions are some new thing?
