Progressive DSBM editionA thread for extreme, abrasive, progressive, or experimental rock-based music.This means metal, hardcore, experimental rock, noise rock, and others.Music that is mainstream, "alternative", novelty-driven, "proggy" but not progressive, or not primarily rock, is discouraged.>Is [genre/band/album] fit for /xxr/?If you have to ask, probably not.Old: >>128278621
>>128788157I always called that album "technical DSBM". Feels way too fucking schizo to be progressive but its definitely unique.I'm not sure it's good, but it's interesting for sure.
>>128788157I posted this thread, i dunno how your threads go so you might not appreciate the lack of distortion at first, but it has some very well implemented black metal ideas along with free jazz and just all sorts of fun stuff>>128787936If that's not your thing, some heavy irish sludge that doesnt sound tired and boring (pic rel) cause i dont know any dsbm outside of xasthur and leviathan reallyhttps://cursedmonk.bandcamp.com/album/as-within
>>128788242Not OP, but that cover honestly made me think it's polish with the name and font, mostly cos it looks like Gruzja.It's free though so I'll check it out thanks.
>>128788185>technical DSBMAlso true.>Feels way too fucking schizo to be progressiveI get that. It's progressive in a broad sense, pushing the constraints of black metal conventions and even of some DSBM out at that time.>I'm not sure it's good, but it's interesting for sure.I'm more sure of it (need to blast it again), but it's certainly a rough listen.>>128788242Thanks anon, I'll save it for sooner and hopefully not later.
>>128789087>I'm more sure of it (need to blast it again), but it's certainly a rough listen.I've blasted it a few times and got it on physical, and it's always remained a curiosity album than a legitimately enjoyable one. I do like DSBM a lot though, so maybe it just pushes way too far in the insane direction for me to keep fond of.It definitely accurately represents the mental state of the vocalist who promptly offed himself, I think before the album was even released.
>>128789087>>128788296Im guessing you already know Oranssi Pazuzu?
>>128789168Yeah keenly aware, and Waste Of Space Orchestra which I think shares members.
>>128789286Yeah thats them and dark buddha rising, good drone
>>128789304I don't really dive into psychedelic stuff much so Oranssi are one of the few I have, or if its a bit "quirky" it reaches into being more extreme or just flat out avant-garde.
>>128789162>It definitely accurately represents the mental state of the vocalistThat is the kind of DSBM I like more; less "sad", more "sick".>>128789168OP here, I've heard one, maybe two songs. As a metalhead, it sounds like it's more for people outside of metal than those within it.
>>128790177Yeah ive been doing acid biweekly for about a year now so def coming from that angle. I like my sludge and hardcore and occasional heavy old tech death, but im not a trve metalhead.Lile the last 2 shows i saw this year were napalm death and melvins. Both fucking killed it tho
>>128790177Well as a resident DSBMfag I can probably find you more, but nothing is really like Malvery with how "fucked up" it is. Silencer is close but I always found it goes so schizo it almost stops being sad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvqnlNfkle4 (pretty sure this was written by the guy when he was fucking 15).I assume you know Gris, but this track the vocalist genuinely sounds like he has an illness and they just went "record vocals anyway pls"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkKUm1ExJe0But really the kings of "sick" DSBM, besides Malvery, are probably Sortsind, who I assume you may also know.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mbOWEyXuiYTheir female bassist fucking offed herself.These are all obvious names, besides Araxas, but they match what you like at least when it comes to DSBM. Most of the other "schizo" DSBM projects I've heard go so far into it they just become flat out terrible, like About Abortions or Starved.Unrelated, but I do recommend Oranssi though. They do appeal to the "metal for people who don't like metal" crowd, but that doesn't make them bad imo
Ah you guys hate life here, fair
>>128790523I just wanna talk about music man, and /metal/ isn't the place for it. My self-loathing is merely a consequence, not a necessity.
well quick 2 min question before i leaveWhat do you think about thishttps://darkmatternebula.bandcamp.com/track/grainIt's uh not rock
>>128790586Kys shillfag
>>128790604Gottiiiiim
>>128790586Not my deal honestly, but thats probably a me issue
>>128790586>>128790621unlistenable dogshit
>>128788157I just blasted this again, and wow it does not get easier to listen to. It has riffs you can follow if you focus harder than usual, but little is accessible, sentimental, or rewarding. Infurya's drumming becomes hard to comprehend at times, and Amer le Chatier had Atilla-like variety, though he doesn't do the same things vocally.Even other DSBM I've heard has emotive or dopamine-hit moments. I admire this album's sheer inhumanity.>>128790211I see. I probably should at some point try an Oranssi album with some metalfag biases set aside.I've only gone a few albums into ND and Melvins each but I do like both. ND's Peel Sessions compilation and Melvins' Ozma are my favorites at present. I downloaded that collab they did but haven't checked it out yet.What technical death metal are you into?
>>128790257Thanks for the recs, anon. I've listened to Silencer and Sortsind, that's about it. Both great bands. I heard Sår only a few years into my extreme metal listening, so it left a huge impression.I am aware of Gris but not listened to it, and never heard of Araxas.
>>128788242I'm not sure if the black metal influence is in some of the harsher vocals, the guitar technique, or melodic content, but thanks for the Ærkenbrand album. Had to listen to it twice. I totally see why it's named Pagan Adventures. Beautiful closer too.
>>128791290Melvins' Gluey Porch Treatments, the one right after Ozma, is for me the first true sludge metal record and my melvins favorite.As for tech death, just stuff like gorguts, suffocation, cryptopsy and such. I find i tend to dislike the modern production of the similar kinds of vocals.>>128795338Yeah i think it's a bit of it all. Most band members have been in bm bands as well as other stuff. Their previous albums are darker but still experimental and strangeAnd yeah the closer really releases the tension built up over the whole thing so well
How is it? I just listened to it at work but it was on in the background I'll have to give it a good listen later
>>128795491>cryptopsyHow the mighty fell
>>128795849Good, you passed the shit test
>>128790586It is mastered way too loud. You can make the audio clip without having the actual audio being ear-rape levels of loudness. It is too short for what it is, feels more like practice or a sketch of a longer track. I also think it would actually sound better if it weren't clipping and distorted all to hell, it makes it seem like you are trying to artificially make it more intense (and failing) by making it extremely loud. And finally, go post this in a shillthread, faggot.
>>128797466I checked the RYM page for that album and a review from 2021 or so said he was shilling it back then too.
What puzzles me is why people gave money for this
>>128795783Is Conflict DLC an album or artist name? Is it even music?
>>128795849Are the recent albums bad or just bland?
more like cringetopsy amirite
>>128804313Remarkably bland basically. Every now and then a song will have *something* to enjoy, but it all just blends together into the same amorphous blob of "generic modern DM" sounds. As Gomorrah Burns I remembered 2 songs and the rest I immediately forgot upon listening. An Insatiable Violence I genuinely remember fucking nothing.Even Flo himself hasn't had a creative fill for about 10 years at this point.
This and Oracle Moon are the best melodeath albums everAlso it's a complete improvement over their first album, I don't get why everyone worships that one more
>>128808798I'm a little mixed on this album vs Anatomy of the Beast. There's good stuff on Banquet but it can get a little too Gothenburg for me. I should revisit those two albums though, and see what's up with Oracle Moon as you mentioned.
>>128808798From my experience it's not "worshipped a lot more". I've seen both praised and then someone prefers one or the other just a bit. I like both a lot. I think Banquet just got more attention so it feels more prevalent.
>Genre: Progressive Death Metal/Post-Punk
Nithing.https://youtu.be/ihPBjdgWza8
Blasts? I wish Afterbirth found a way to weave in their various outside influences for this album without softening the music in places, but I like what they did anyway.>>128810852Indeed, Nithing.
>>128810696Is Floating good or novelty meme metal?
>>128811881I only checked them out as I saw them posted going like "THIS WILL BE ON EVERYONE'S AOTY LIST COS I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THIS OMG" in other places.It was pretty dull. It wasn't bad but severely fucking overhyped. I do need more listens though, this is just a first impression.My 2025 list is really mediocre but I still don't think I'd put Floating on it.
>>128811858That's unfortunately the reality for most "proggy/avant-garde" brutal death metal where a band will soften the brutality or there will be lulls in the metal. There's this Jap band whose name I'm blanking on who creates some ridiculous hybrid of tech-death, brutal death and melodeath and then ruins it with the gayest anime clean vocal choruses ever.
>>128812731Tell me if you remember that band, I'd like to hear how good and/or bad it is.
>>128814205not him but it's imperial circus dead decadencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIyypmXoZzA
>>128790257Shit, this kid could SHRIEK. Riffs are solid too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_AxbFPBUM
>>128816017Yah I like that Araxas release. It's not just "good for his age", it's flat out good. Only heard a few that can outshriek.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpzT0sk1Dkg
>>128816468Those IIAC vocals filter me a bit, lol. He's great at both staying intelligible and sounding pained though.
>>128816794IIAC are a band where I still can't tell if they're parodying or self-aware, as even their social media presence they ham it up royally. His vocals got even shriekier and sillier on the album after that, so I definitely wouldn't blame anyone for finding them a bit silly or feeling filtered by it.Rainer is still the scream queen, despite his solo music sucking. At least it's relevant for /xxr/ as he is being very "artsy" on this shit.https://youtu.be/-FxXn-dtgvk?si=ZsAqaYlnq5B9VQm3&t=26
>>128814466Rib:y(uhki) is one of the best extreme metal vocalists of all time even though the bands he plays in are extremely hit or miss. His range is unmatched and he can do anything from cosmic frog vocals, slam bree brees, gay power metal shit, 20 second banshee shrieks, deep guttural growls, alien/predator snarls. I wish he'd put his talent into a more serious death metal band rather than over the top anime "doujin death metal" honestly.
https://youtu.be/BNRKrmjcJBI?si=I4a8SFXsn05lIz3h
>>128818841The people with the most vocal talent always seem to end up playing in shite music. More often coreshit.
>>128788157https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IppG7Ziz10Might not be that abrasive or technical but whatever, no one else sounds like this. Odd mix of industrial, electronic, gore and death metal.
bump
>>128818957Would the main genre for this be screamo?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwXPnxwEuFIseems like a good place for this masterpiece
>>128825129vocals ruined that one for me
>>128825129The good kind of EEEEEE vocals
>>128825129The bad kind of EEEEEE vocals
No no, weird vocals and all, that is a genuine masterpiece. It's from 2006, I could see synestia or someone similar doing exactly this type of thing now, except it also has brutal death metal genetics as opposed to being derived from -core, and hence the vocals seem out of place. you'll figure it out someday, it's a totally unique product.
Would groove metal fit in this thread? Like uhh heavier stuff like suicide note part 2 from pantera?
>>128825767Fair question, but no. Groove metal is retarded thrash metal (literally, as in slowed and simplified), with variable alternative metal/rock or other mainstream influences. Some groove metal albums get closer to extreme (Demolition Hammer's Time Bomb) or progressive (Coroner's Grin), but not by much. The band or album would have to be exceptional.Suicide Note Pt 2 itself isn't far off from what Pantera usually does. Most of it is still their usual chug riffs.
>>128825438>it's a totally unique productThat doesn't make it a masterpiece.
>>128825129Jenovavirus is one of the greatest fucking slam demos of all time honestly.They unfortunately disbanded, but the guys from Jenovavirus formed another slam band, Blunt Force Trauma, which is much more straightforward rather than experimental, but still some amazing slam.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJIT9ZNscdQ
Lads I'll be real.Could never get into Slam.
>>128827708You sure it's the same dudes? metallum doesn't say it's the same names. That said, yeah this is a lot worse
had. A listen to this today and I wonder if the RoboCop actor ever tried fucking in the suit
Behold... The Arctopushttps://youtu.be/6EyA-3xhbZI
>>128830027My bad, Metallum years ago used to say it was the same guys, looks like they fixed it.
I still stand by my opinion that this is the highlight of their discography, and hilariously it exposed all of their fanbase as a bunch of poser hipsters. Everybody praised this band for being highly original, then they come out with what is by far the most original sounding music they ever did and suddenly all their so-called fans turn their noses.
>>128830621Imagine being a fucking elitist over TOOH what
>>128830627I just thought it was really funny seeing the reaction to that album when it came out, for the reasons I wrote there. They used to be quite popular among internet hipsters and then they filtered the fuck out of them.
>>128830657Sure man I've not listened to it, but being "more original" doesn't mean it's good.The Long Defeat is pretty original for DsO but it's still dogshit.
>>128825169Changed my mind, still not the biggest fan of slam vocals but it's a killer release. Anybody who decides to give them a listen should also check out their unreleased track "Quickinqbioneralstinger".
>>128827906Slam's alright when the musicians are actually talented and there's a clear vision, but most slam either falls in the "haha memes" bro-slam category or just reiterative of other slam bands.The exception is groovy slam, that shit's the best regardless of how braindead it gets.
>>128827906>>128831415Lykathea Aflame went slam for a track and it remains one of the coolest songs in the subgenre.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_DmmiCObOc
>>128831415I'm just allergic to tincan snare.>>128831446Calling LA slam feels like a stretch just cos he slams the snare, but sure that entire album is fantastic.
>>128831466I'm not calling Lykathea Aflame slam, I said that they went slam for a track. 'An Old Man and Child' is literally built on textbook slam riffs.
>>128831508Yeah I mean in any aspect I didn't hear it, but as established I am not a slam man, so I'll take your word for it.
>>128788157This EP is really experimental and extreme for a punk band.https://disterror.bandcamp.com/album/revealing-darkness
>>128788157Here is a progressive metal band that I likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P4GsF1zdzM
>>128831528Kys pathetic shill
>>128832599Huh looks like you're righthttps://desuarchive.org/mu/search/text/%28%22Disterror%22%7C%22Revealing%20Darkness%22%29/May listen to it anyway.
>>128830621Haven't heard T.O.O.H., what makes it different from the rest?
>>128835175>Haven't heard T.O.O.HNTA, but if you hear the term "schizo metal" or whatever, they basically play it.They're a unique blend of grind and metal and sometimes random shit they feel like. It's two brothers and IIRC one of them is actually schizo or something (but I may just have heard that and believed it).As for why that album is different, I couldn't tell you as I haven't found a download for it yet on accounts of not using slsk.Either way, I can't recommend Order and Punishment and Pod Vládou Biče enough.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow3fSr0Zprs
>>128788157Does this count?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XU6MjHFzys&list=RD3XU6MjHFzys&start_radio=1
>>128836883the vokills on that albym are bazoinkers
>>128830356That pic would be a good cover
>>128836883Is there a download for that anywhere, or just youtube?
>>128811858>Blasts?I saw someone shit on this as "generic dissoshit" compared to his previous albums, but I still think this is pretty good.
>>128836937unfortunately its super rarehttps://mortuusinsomnis06.blogspot.com/search/label/Nocturnal%20Necropsysee if that works for you - if not, its on soulseek
>>128837168Yeah the mega is dead, sad. Sometimes not being a slsker is pain.Thanks for having a look though, my search didn't even bring up mortuus which is a regular result for me.
>>128788157>>128836883https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5crG4ggEYgthis has to be one of the weirdest sounding dsbm albums out there just in terms of productionshared a member with nocturnal necropsy but the guy faked his death and fooled his band mate then had a schizo breakdown and started posting about how he was god and stuff, but was still making musicand it is some of the most godawful shit ever to discgrace human ears, seriously look up lidande, colden, deep stare - anything related to a guy called manny quiza. fucking insanity
>>128837172its in this folder along with a ton of associated projects:https://www.mediafire.com/folder/t6174ytvqfz9a/gwynedd_gothic
>>128837203Yeah this is a real rabbit hole. Sorry to post r*ddit, but this is a good thread about it all: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/t6174ytvqfz9a/gwynedd_gothic
>>128837226my bad, wrong linkhttps://www.reddit.com/r/dsbm/comments/1lwqc0x/who_remembers_lidande_rabbit_hole_discussion_post/
>>128837217You're a star mate, thanks a lot.
>>128837203What makes you say this is the most godawful shit? The production?I have heard way worse.
>>128835175It's hard to explain because they have very much a sound of their own, you'll just have to listen to it. Everything they did is worth a listen, though Democratic Solution stands out to me because it majorly expanded on the directions that they were already hinting at previously.
>>128837468not this album necessarily, in fact this is probably the best thing hes put out, but manny's other projects - they are like bizarre audio collages of other music smashed together, distorted rap beats, DSBM screeching etc. here is one of his albums: https://deepstare.bandcamp.com/album/full-albumeven though its credited to 'deep stare' and called, amazingly, 'full album' theres a whole EP of one of his other projects 'worsening' just shoved in the middle of the tracklist there. so weird.and wtf is that album artwork?? {picrel}in a way, it has some of the appeal of outsider art but ends up feeling just broken and schizo
>>128840275oh and also apparently "with special guests thank you to Xasthur and Hypothermia "lol yeah right m8
>>128831446great album ruined by terrible mix
>>128840275Fair enough, I re-read your post a couple times and eventually figured out I was the retard, but even though I'm a connoisseur of "dogshit DSBM" I'm not sure I wanna go into the depths where they're a "I totally know Kim Carlsson" fraud.
>>128840427A shame, and neither master of the album helps much.
>>128842340just listened to it again and I went overboard, it's not a terrible mix...
Elvenefris finally clicked with me, first time I heard it I didn't remember anything from it, but now I really like it
>>128831528The blown out production is a bit of a pain point, especially the super clicky drums, but I enjoyed it.Not really experimental or progressive because it's another crust band incorporating various black/thrash/doom metal ideas, but that's no problem. The thread focus is either/or, I just like featuring albums in the OP which accomplish both.
>>128845205I mostly just treat this thread as /metal/ but with actual discussion and metal-adjacent genres.
>>128831528>>128845205There are some interesting ideas on the ep, the production is too polished for my taste, the clicky drums can get annoying, i checked out their socials and they were very early on the whole crust black metal crossover thing, they go back to early 2010, but like most south american bands there are long gaps and periods of inactivity between releases, that's probably why disterror is not that well known/popular. I was surprised to see they toured canada and played in my hometown, of course i missed them bc i was like 12 back then. good stuff tho.
How do people dress when they go to a Drone Rock/Noise Metal show?
>>128847763like normal people I would guess, never been to a metal concert myself
show me your 2025 GOTYs
>>1288494602025 has been pretty meh for me, especially when it comes to things suitable for this thread.For something /xxr/ I think my favourites would be the new Planning For Burial (which isn't his best material but I was pleasantly surprised) and Hexvessel.
>>128847763Exactly how you dress but dronier and noisier
>>128847763The Sunn O))) show will boot you if you're not in a hood and cloak.
>>128788157>Malderylmao, lol even
Why does /metal/ keep balkanizing? First /trad/ and now this? /metal/ is mostly black/death oriented so this seems pretty redundant
>>128852140because /metal/ is shit now, I'm glad there's /prog/ and this now, honestly the only thing that makes me come back to /mu/.
>>128852140poor moderation and shillfags like (You)
Let's find out.
>>128853996Not as out there as I first expected. I had a second listen with tempered expectations to enjoy the overall album more. Obviously my favorite tracks are Heroin and European Son. The Nico tracks are pleasant, but the album would gain more than it loses to drop all but Sunday Morning or maybe I'll Be Your Mirror. I expect WL/WH to have more of what I'm after.
>>128852140Schizoposters, duh
>>128852499>used to come back to /mu/ for /metal/ on fridays to post weeks and shitpost a bit>avoided other days due to the usual retards>fridays are now terminally infested by one serbian retard spamming his terrible AI metal about dogs and UFOs
>>128852140/metal/'s been shit since at least 2016t. stopped browsing /metal/ in 2017
>>128856600I'd have said it truly died at the start of covid though, that's when the current constant posting nolifers really kicked off. It got worse after 2016 like a lot of 4chan but it still wasn't as borderline unusable as it's been.
>>128856695It already became unbearable with all the wanna-be personalityfags, namefags/tripfags, schizophrenics and "ritual" posters (the people posting the same fucking post every fucking thread) circa 2016-17. That and the the /tv/-ification and /pol/-ification of the site around the same time made the new humor and in-jokes unrecognizable.It's a shame because /metal/ was one of the most fun generals on this site between 2013-2015 and one of the last vestiges of old /mu/ in the irony era.the last funny thing to happen in /metal/ was dmshareguy going full s*y and crashing out
>>128856842Maybe I'm just hazy through time and alcohol abuse but sure, /pol/shit did basically take over and kill most of the general, then schizos spat on the corpse.I just remember being able to have actual metal discussion even post the 2016 happening, and now it's basically long gone.
>>128856842>It already became unbearable with all the wanna-be personalityfags, namefags/tripfags>the last funny thing to happen in /metal/ was dmshareguy going full s*y and crashing out
This is the only KEN Mode album I've listened to, have they done anything else worth checking out?I liked it but I didn't really love it, but was curious what else their discog has otherwise or if it's just "more of the same".
>Progressive DSBM edition
>>128854996I made the first thread in June after both a particularly bad /metal/ thread and a new on-topic OP that got deleted 80 posts in (it WAS made too early) in favor of yet another off-topic one. Usually I make new threads if /metal/ sucks extra or is about to suck extra. So these threads are in part a reprieve, but I'd like it to live on whether /metal/ flourishes or dies, hence the room for other genres.>>128857575I don't know KEN Mode, but I would read the other albums' reviews and try the one that sounds the most my speed. The album after Entrench has some RYM reviews calling it weirder, maybe you'll want that. This is an apples and oranges example, but I practiced this with Pest after I heard Dauðafærð, and found my choice worth it.
>>128861813Yeah that's what I normally do but I prefer getting /mu/tard opinions as RYM or MA reviews can be questionable. I just use the ratings as an arbitrary decision maker at best. That and this thread gives me actual opinions, not just shitposts.>but I practiced this with Pest after I heard Dauðafærð, and found my choice worth it.Funnily enough that's the only Pest thing I've listened to as well, so maybe I need to check that out too.
>>128861834>I prefer getting /mu/tard opinionsHardcore discussion is strangely scarce on this board. /core/ threads barely get made and don't last long. You'll probably have better luck checking the archives for KENM discussion.>maybe I need to check that out too.Rest in Morbid Darkness is good. It's oddly proto-black and has some melodies reminding me of Varathron, but I wouldn't reduce it to a retro exercise.
>>128862021>Hardcore discussion is strangely scarce on this board. /core/ threads barely get made and don't last long.Yeah but those are the threads I care about most, ones like this and /core/ basically fucking floods me with recs when it's made. It's nice. Got a lot of skramz out of it last time which was neato.>strangely scarceWasn't back in the day. I actually had long winded conversations about fucking mainstream deathcore of all things back then. I like my shitposting, but the ratio has become very skewed.>Rest in Morbid Darkness is goodI didn't find a download easily as I'm not a slskfag but I'll add it to the list. I guess it is weird where the only material I have by a band I like is just one 20 minute song. Season of Mist have a vinyl on the cheap but I'd rather it came with a digital code for my autistic setup too. Can always CD it if I want an easy rip.
Wait is this just /metal/ with a new coat of paint? I don't see the ritual posters so maybe it is different.
>>128862096Ideally you post the weirder shit too, I think OP wants the "strange" shit, so not just tremolospam bands. That's what I try to aim for anyway, so it's just discouraged to post the plainest of meal I guess.It's quieter so the ritual posters won't get the attention crave so they haven't bothered (yet).
>>128812731Would it be called proggy/avant-garde if it didn't soften the brutality at some point? Like, most things that are proggy or avant-garde in most genres is already normal in bdm.
>>128862112That's cool. I like the idea a lot.One of my favorite weird albums is Urfe by Axis of Perdition. It's extremely pretentious, as it's a novella narrated over a combo of dark ambient and black noise, but it's a fun experience.https://youtu.be/FTJsv06h1N4
>>128862199>It's extremely pretentiousAlways a fun time when it's like that. I'll check it out sometime.Take some pretentious "black metal but also sometimes trip hop cos fuck you" in return.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmpmW7XwJSI
>>128862145>Would it be called proggy/avant-garde if it didn't soften the brutality at some point?I would call Forensic progressive and Illuminations of Vile Engorgement avant-garde, both only stop the brutality for interlude and outro tracks.Measuring what makes music progressive/avant-garde by how many eclectic bells, whistles, and tangents it has is not just limiting, but encourages novelty music in the worst cases.
>I like my shitposting, but the ratio has become very skewed.Absolutely. A lot of boards have fallen to a cycle of shitposts, irreverence, and cheap excuses to hang out without having much topical nor interesting to say.>I'm not a slskfagHuh. Out of choice or lack of ability?>I guess it is weird where the only material I have by a band I like is just one 20 minute songI don't think it's weird at all, not every artist can consistently put out great and similar work. In my case, I just wanted to find something else worthwhile by Pest, and see how the band writes songs with ordinary lengths.
>>128862078oops>>128862913
>>128852140Meant to reply to you with the first half of >>128861813
>>128788157You are all commanded to listen to Starkweather:https://youtu.be/eCPFDq66QJAhttps://youtu.be/Gi01Yin_AqMhttps://youtu.be/sFHXtJ_QcZYhttps://youtu.be/OOZnvmqJ2sg
>>128863829Pretty good songs, and I don't even find all of the softer segments a drag. Thanks
DSBM, literally one of the greatest metal records of all time
>>128862913>Out of choiceIf laziness counts, then yeah that
>>128862906I can't find Forensic but if Illuminations of Vile Engorgement sounds avant-garde to you, I wonder what you think bog-standard bdm sounds like.
>>128862906Ok I found some of Forensic, and I disagree that they don't let up with the bdm. Some parts sounds more like something like Atheist, and others sound straight up melodeath.
>>128865918It's more impressive how mediocre I think the previous/next albums are in comparison to that one.I like both but they get really dragged out and kinda boring.That and Miserere Luminis is so fucking dull.
>>128866552NTA but I can understand calling Illuminations avant-garde in the sense that it takes BDM tendencies to the furthest extreme that it can and really stands out in that regard. I don't know what your understanding of the term avant-garde is though. It's not a term that I personally use much but in my definition anything that pushes a concept really far and in a manner that is novel compared to what others at the time are doing is avant-garde.
>>128868734Not him but I've never understood "avant garde" vs "experimental". I see both used seemingly interchangeably.
>>128868862Yeah when people say "avant-garde" I don't really know what they mean by it. I have my own understanding of the term but I don't know how much it aligns with how other people use it.
>>128868734There's kinda the more literal one, meaning to be on the forefront of something (which would make Effigy of the Forgotten the most avant garde bdm album, even if the rest had ended up sounding exactly like it), and there's the more common use, which pretty much is just any artistic choice that goes against what's popular and "accessible". Illumnations doesn't stand out to me on either in the context of bdm.>>128868862>>128869109Tom8o to-motto
>>128869125Ok going by the very literal definition of terms is best indeed. As far as being a forerunner, than I agree that Illuminations can't be described like that. Maybe it could be called progressive, in a very literal usage of that term too, in that it is a logical progression and deepening of the main traits of BDM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewP0v2yt8Fwprobably the most experimental project that Seth Putnam was in
>>128869809You could make the case that everything he made was a social experiment at least.
>>128869978I don't think he ever had that as a conscious intention though, he was just expressing himself. His political incorrectness was much more to do with him just wanting to break taboos rather than being his actual beliefs. He genuinely wasn't a racist nor a homophobe nor a misogynist.
>>128870021>His political incorrectness was much more to do with him just wanting to break taboosThat's what I meant.>He genuinely wasn't a racist nor a homophobe nor a misogynistI thought that wasn't known? That he was so many levels of irony deep people couldn't tell anymore.
>>128870044A lot of people still take him at face value and think that he meant what he sung about. It's pretty obvious that he wasn't serious, but he did deliberately touch upon subjects that many people have knee-jerk reactions to, and that still happens to this day.
>>128870075>It's pretty obvious that he wasn't seriousYeah that's the impression I got, but as far as I was aware there is no confirmation one way or the other (besides how over the top he was that it seems very much like parody or shitposting). That and obviously he had other bandmates who then went off to do Mudoven etc and their seriousness is unknown as well as far as I know.
>>128870021Didn't some Vaginal Jesus booklet notes have something like "If you think this is a joke, fuck you" in it? I guess it still could have been unserious.
>>128870085Everybody that knew him personally can attest that he wasn't serious about the stuff he wrote and was just being provocative. He did channel honest emotion into his music, which is something that goes over the heads of many people, but he dressed that up with a lot of irony.
>>128870110I don't know, but it might well be true. I am inclined to believe that it's just them pushing it as far as they can rather than being a serious statement. Most of what Seth did was unserious, he was a comedian at heart. Some people forget that Anal Cunt was started as a joke band that was originally meant to record one demo and perform one show.
Lads I could use some recs for a specific kind of sound if anyone has any. I've been a sucker for Forgotten Tomb's first two albums, where it's a mix of "depressive/dark" Black and Doom, and most of my attempts to find more like it have been relatively fruitless. Basically Black/Doom where there's still some energy/heaviness with hints of melancholic/depressive tones. Seems to be hard to come by from my own efforts.There's obviously Bethlehem for that, and I also found Mourning Dawn who feel very much in the same vein and Deinonychus as well (depending on the album, mostly Ode).I've tried other "black/doom" bands like Dolorian which feels more doom and proggy and psychedelic at little points, Tunes of Despair which just feels like very slow DSBM, or Nortt which is like "blackened funeral doom" I guess. None really get that same atmosphere for me or do their own thing which I like but isn't the same as what I'm chasing.Is there anything obvious I'm missing? So far it's just Forgotten Tomb, Deinonychus, and Mourning Dawn that hold it for me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amykdazZlCkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWLRSKCZLMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwJKZc5jv1g(I also fully recommend Dolorian though, which is more on brand for the "experimental" part of this thread)
>>128870164I'm listening to Dolorian right now, nice. If you like them and Bethlehem, I highly recommend this which is in a slightly more DSBM direction:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0FUucc9vAY
>>128870318Funnily enough I have checked out Beatnik before, both that and Journey Through the End of Life, and they didn't quite land for me. I do need more listens of both though.
>>128870408Yeah I didn't much like the first album myself, but Requiem clicked. I really like the 'romantic' yet bleak feeling, the sharp guitar tone, the tortured full diaphragm vocals. I'll have to give Forgotten Tomb another swing since you posted it.
>>128870460FT are interesting as they've really changed sound. From DSBM with bits of doom, to mostly doom, to whatever they are now which feels almost like crusty gothic/doom metal.Don't really recommend them past the first 3 albums besides morbid curiosity. It's not bad, just very underwhelming.
This is a very underrated album and was ahead of its time with the speed of the drum machine. The Crust EP is even better.
>>128870493Oh good to know, so if I don't like one FT album I may very well like the next one. Sometimes goth/doom hits for me, another band I like in that vein is Cultus Sanguine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9NvkSy7AOs
>>128870543Potentially, I think if you want the spectrum I cannot recommend the first two albums enough. If you kinda wish it was less black and more catchy, then their newest album Nightfloating, or the one before, will give you a good summary of what they play nowadays. Even though I don't really like that sound, Nightfloating did have some good bits.Everything sort of "in the middle" is them kinda going a bit "fuck you this is what we do now" and REALLY ramping up the edge to a silly degree, given albums are called things like "Hurt Yourself and the Ones You Love". It's not quite my bag, I think their earlier work is genuinely amazing, and their latest work is decent, with a bump in the middle I kinda don't listen to again.They're not changing sound wildly like a Gorguts or anything, but they definitely lessened the Black and the Depressive after the third album.
Also some experimental black/doom from 2025 I'm trying now. Busts out a fucking trumpet at one point.Seems decent on a first listen but probably needs a couple spins to properly digest, but it hasn't become sporkcore yet.
>>128868734>I can understand calling Illuminations avant-garde in the sense that it takes BDM tendencies to the furthest extreme that it canNot just that, but it works like noise music as well as metal, which was rare for extreme metal outside of gorenoise and black noise. All vocals and most riffs are unintelligible, drums (if that's not a drum machine) mostly blast monotonously, everything works to create a texture.
It's kinda shit but I still like it for some reason.
>>128862291Damn this was really good thanks for sharing.
>>128872762Glad someone else likes it. I find it a bit jarring at points and I do feel it could flow between the metal/non-metal parts better sometimes, but it's still an interesting listen and I really like some bits. Fucking love the closer. Glad I got it on CD.I consider the rest of his discog way weaker than Ingrats, but it's all free so I still recommend checking it out.
>>128872802I like Ulver a lot and listen to most of their albums regularly, so Netra feels right at home.
>>128872831The only Ulver album I listened to outside of the usual two everyone knows was Wars Of The Roses and I was VERY fucking disappointed by that. Opener was good but then the rest of the album felt like wishy washy artsy shite.Have they done anything better that I'm missing? Given their status I should probably listen to more than just Nattens and Bergtatt sometime.
>>128872853After War Of The Roses they shifted more towards industrial for a short time, followed by a slower, gloomier electronic feel that they've had for a few albums now. Here are a couple of songs from the electronic period that I really likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nOCpknuYVc&list=RD2nOCpknuYVchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS1VLDESKmQ&list=RDLS1VLDESKmQ
>>128872919I recognise that Caeser cover from being posted a bunch so I will add that to the list, cheers lad.
>>128870502>I HATE CARS
Posting real OG 90's metalcore, before the term was stolen, corporatized, and slopifiedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNvs0h-iXYA
>>128837112This is good, that anon is dumb its not dissonant nor is it generic in anyway
