Adorno editionhttps://youtu.be/ewsmReP33E0?si=3F9BTSi6Mk-s70NGThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>128782307
>>128804350I listened to that and now I'm a Marxist.
Adorno was great
Midori's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rcH_t-QDSo&list=OLAK5uy_lprUdF9mOGB6jfSx3yFbfEgrkiyH46yS4&index=15
>The theory that the substance of tonal music consists of a *deviation* from the schema can perhaps be best corroborated through some instrumental works by *Bach*, in which the objectivity of the pattern is especially conclusive. In the fast movements of the Violin Sonata in c minor (the one with the Siciliano), (especially the second), there is hardly a note which is not composed 'against the grain', which is not *unlike* the expectation aroused, surprising, and the power of this piece lies precisely in this. Particularly with regard to the use of intervals
>To explain why the highly emancipated Beethoven, who relied entirely on his own intellect, should have felt drawn to the traditional form, it is no more adequate to cite his subjective piety than, conversely, to resort to the vacuous assertion that in the work, which subjects itself to the liturgical purpose with zealous discipline, his religious impulse had broadened beyond dogma to a kind of general religiosity, and that his was a Mass for Unitarians. However, the work suppresses professions of subjective piety in relation to Christology. At the point where the liturgy immovably dictates the words 'I believe', Beethoven, as Steuermann has strikingly observed, betrays the opposite of such certainty, repeating the word 'credo' in the theme of the fugue, as if the solitary person had to convince himself by the repeated invocation that he really did believe.
>>128804434>Nor is the religiosity of the Missa, if we can use that term as it stands, that of someone safely ensconced in the faith, or a world religion of such idealistic nature that it does not require the subject to believe anything. What is at issue for him, expressed in later terminology, is whether ontology, the subjective spiritual order of Being, is still possible at all. He is concerned with saving ontology musically in a state of subjectivism, and his recourse to liturgy is meant to achieve this in the same way as the invocation of the ideas of God, freedom and immortality was to do for the critic Kant. In its aesthetic form the work asks what can be sung without deception about the Absolute, and how it can be sung. This gives rise to the shrunken quality which alienates the work and makes it almost incomprehensible -- probably because the question it poses is not amenable to a concise answer even in musical terms. The subject in its finitude is still exiled, while the objective cosmos can no longer be imagined as a binding authority; thus the Missa is balanced on an indifference point which approaches nothingness."
Adorno was a gifted writer and critic but also so obviously under the influence of a narcissistic and reactionary conception of pathos, symbolised very well by Walter Benjamin's backwards-looking angel of history, that I almost mourn his intelligence. Like all cultural or 'metapolitical' victories, the result of his dominating intellectual influence has been its critical degeneration, because his imitators are much stupider, possessing all of his appetites and none of his reason.
>>128804466>but also so obviously under the influence of a narcissistic and reactionary conception of pathos, symbolised very well by Walter Benjamin's backwards-looking angel of historyin English?
Arendt detested Adorno for his attempt to ingratiate himself withthe Nazis when they first came to power, his attempt to use the factthat he was half Jewish - not a real Jew (I should say not!) - to slideonto the slip-thru side of the newly-empowered National Socialists.Even moreso, Arendt hated him for his as she called it "indescribablypathetic" attempt to excuse himself when his activities were discoveredthirty years later.
anyone else find this edit cringe, specifically the facial gestures of the girl. i find her face even annoyying
>>128804350>Adorno>no
>>128804669Don’t think it’s tough to understand given that probably his most famous statement is that writing poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric. His whole historical posture is defined by this incontinent pathos, wretchedness, and crushing responsibility towards moral restitution. Contemporaries like Zizek follow after him, but just compare Adorno’s well-observed comments on the Missa Solemnis above to the vapid statements of Zizek about Beethoven in that article that gets posted here.
>>128804708no, they look happy and inviting
>>128804350I will return in the next thread.
now playingAnna Clyne: Within Her Armshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1hClYiYoY&list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs&index=2start of Anna Clyne: Abstractionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztremiL6CbM&list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs&index=3Anna Clyne: Restless Oceanshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQbcjlHUpIo&list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs&index=8start of Anna Clyne: Color Fieldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y03iutm5NYs&list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs>Anna Clyne, described as a 'composer of uncommon gifts and unusual methods' by The New York Times, is one of the most in-demand composers today, working with orchestras, choreographers, filmmakers and visual artists around the world. Clyne's unique voice combines tradition with postmodern techniques, giving her listeners a sense of musical adventure that is grounded in the past. From the beautiful elegy Within Her Arms to the defiant power of Restless Oceans, Anna Clyne's music strikes a positive and resilient tone.Well worth checking out.
>>128804708you need to go back.
Overall, Solti or Szell?
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>>128804708that art style (what most people call the modern anime style) is cringe, yes, because its not only specifically designed to appeal to an audience first and express something second, its specifically designed to appeal to a grotesque audience (virgin otaku and undiagnosed autists in denial)
Mravinsky!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR17mAK_Pv0&list=OLAK5uy_k--M9cpqooQ4sfDTfu3yHOkvNuJtxYAQo&index=1>Shostakovich's blisteringly tragic Eighth Symphony, written in the midst of World War II, is regarded as his 'Guernica,' a powerful examination of the horror of war. Initially censured by the Soviet authorities, it is now honoured as one of Shostakovich's most dramatic and moving compositions. Yevgeny Mravinsky, to whom the work is dedicated, first premiered the work in 1943 and in this legendary recording presents this masterpiece with a ferocity that was later praised by Gramophone.>Mravinsky's live recording of the Eighth is of capital importance, since it was he who gave the work its premiere... It is a performance of extraordinary vehemence and power, vivid contrast and bitter intensity. The curdled woodwind dissonances and huge climaxes of the first movement are given a shocking force not simply by sheer volume but by... playing at the very limit of their powers: it is not often these days that we hear a clarinet or an oboe played so loudly... The fact this is a concert performance increases one's respect for the risks taken: to expect trombones to play staccato at the furious tempo Mravinsky chooses... is really living dangerously, but they respond superbly, as do the belligerently precise trumpets... [It is] a performance which sees clearly that the real burden of emotion here lies in the strings... For a recapturing of the appalling shock this work must have caused (the Russians were expecting a 'Victory Symphony'), Mravinsky's account demands to be heard: the Leningrad audience is struck dumb by it. --Gramophone
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what's with the spam?>>128805602anon genuinely what are you talking about? for real, what is the subject of your post? what degeneracy?
>>128804350Fuck aDroolo and fuck you OP
>>128805661>what's with the spam?but enough about this thread.
>>128805724respond to the question earnestly or you will get nothing that you want from your posts
>>128805740stop sucking cocks.
>>128805747Stop being homophobic
>>128805773stop raping children.
>>128805778Stop projecting.
jesus this site is infested by 12 year olds
>>128805783stop posting.
>>128805826but enough about you.
Shostakovich's 11th and 12 symphonies are my favorite things to fall asleep to now. They're so relaxing and ambient, plus obviously beautiful.
> In order to elucidate from his innermost processes a typical day in the life of Beethoven I therefore choose the great C sharp minor Quartet: while this would be difficult to achieve by listening, because we should then immediately feel compelled to let go all certain comparisons and only perceive direct revelation from another world, we might manage this to some extent by recalling the piece from memory only. Even here I must, however, once again leave it to the reader’s imagination to bring to life the exact details of the picture, and for this reason I offer my help only with a very general outline.>I would like to describe the rather long introductory Adagio, surely the most melancholy ever to have been expressed in music, as the morning awakening of a day 'which in its long course will fulfil no wish, not one!’ Yet at the same time it is a prayer of repentance, a discourse with God on belief in the eternally good. The inward-looking eye alone sees there a comforting vision (Allegro 6/8) in which desire becomes a bitter-sweet game with itself: the innermost dream image awakes to a most lovely recollection. And it is now as if (in the short transitional Allegro Moderato) the Master, conscious of his art, settles himself to his magic work: he now exercises (Andante 2/4) with renewed vigour the power of this peculiar magic to capture a graceful form in order to delight tirelessly in it as the blessed testimony of innermost innocence, constantly changing through the breaking rays of the eternal light which he casts upon it.
>>128806489>We now believe we are seeing the inwardly contented composer turning his indescribably cheerful look towards the outer world (Presto 2/2): it is again present to him as in the Pastoral Symphony; everything is illuminated by his inner happiness; it is as if he is hearing the sound of his own visions moving now airily, now solidly, in rhythmical dance before him. He looks at life and seems now to reflect (short Adagio 3/4) on how he might set about making life itself dance: a brief but melancholy pondering as if sinking into the deep dream of his soul. One glance again has shown him the inner aspect of the world: he awakes and coaxes from the strings dance music such as the world has never heard (Allegro Finale). It is the dance of the world itself: wild pleasure, painful lament, the delights of love, highest bliss, woe, rage, ecstasy and sorrow; lightning flashes and thunder rolls: and over it all stands the tremendous bandmaster controlling and captivating, proudly and surely guiding us through whirlpools to the abyss: he is smiling at himself for this magic was after all only a game. Night beckons him – his day is done.
I'd burn all of Wagner's crap if it gave us one more Mozart piano concerto.I'd dig up Wagner's body and smash his bones to bits for another Brahms symphony.I'd nuke Bayreuth for the completion of Schubert's 8th.I'd stab all his living relatives to death for another Haydn quartet.I'd march all his fans into a dungeon and gas them mercilessly with Zyklon B for another Bach partita.
>>128806774Wagner (pbuh) broke you.
>>128806774I'd give up all Wagner, Mozart, Brahms, Schubert, Haydn and Bach for Chopin's 4th piano sonata
>>128806933because you're a masochist.
>>128807008What a strange conclusion.
>>128807044the truth is often stranger than fiction.
>>128807074Fiction can be strange just as well.
>>128804699yet she fucked and believed she can "fix" Heidegger.
Seeing Handel Messiah today
>>128804699why do young people, especially women, when protesting educators always protest semi-naked, or flash their tits at them? Is this some sort of a "mog" thing among young educated people... Basically saying "You're an old fart I'm hot and young therefore right" ?
>>128807196It's simply the easiest way to get attention. What you're saying probably factors into it to some degree and probably some other things too, but attention is the main point.
>>128807186nobody asked.
>>128807186Everybody asked.
>>128807186Some asked.
Schumann had inspiration but no Craftmanship, Brahms had Craftmanship but no inspiration, at the end of the day both are average composers but at least Brahms doesn't have something as horrendous as the Schumann Violin Concerto, prolly the worst composition of all time.
>>128807503so true wagnersister
>>128807186Nice, have a good time!
>>128807503True. But also, both are better than anything before them excepting Chopin and Schubert, and almost anything excepting Mahler, Scriabin, Rachmaninoff etc.Even the greatest music is flawed.
Mozart and Bach are literally the only two good composers ever. Not joking at all, this is a real opinion of mine that obviously I wouldn't share non-anonymously because it's too saucy. But it's really how I feel. There are some composers with some decent talent like Mahler and Beethoven but they're infantile compared to Mozart and Bach. And ultimately I can't say that they're good at all.I have a huge personally curated playlist of classical music and I listen to classical music all the time. I've even studied the scores themselves and re-written some by hand to fully appreciate the thought process behind them.Shostakovich is in the same vein as Beethoven, has some decent talent and ideas but lets his composition get away from him and loses his mind. First movement of his fifth symphony is a great example of that, tells his whole kitchen to come alive and sing the song of its people. Rachmaninov is a nonentity, Dvorak is pretty but nothing necessary.Why would my opinion on them be any different? Nonentities. There are only two composers that I would call "talented" outside of Mozart and Bach, which are Mahler and Beethoven. But even in that case I wouldn't go so far as to call them "good" composers because my standard for good is Mozart and Bach, which they don't meet. Nobody has. But I will at least acknowledge they had some talent. Everybody else is a nonentity. Nonentities everywhere I look.
feels like a Beethoven's late string quartets morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwkL4plpkU0&list=OLAK5uy_nR6ZmHBBSiJFPO93ULE6CK0fomm-0Upys&index=5
>>128807173Nothing to fix. Heidegger philosophy isn't nazism
>>128805571Interesting views. Could you elaborate if possible out of curiosity?
>>128804708I don't think it's cringe at all. I would probably think it's cringe and annoying when I was a teenager
>>128808031Why do troons think low IQ alt-right Chuds deserve death for symphathising with nazis, but sophisticated philosophers get a pass?
>>128808108not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/lit/ instead?
True.
now playingBarber: The School for Scandal, Op. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfeOzVCAkE&list=OLAK5uy_nsDmyAZ_Nmjx_YiJdP-O_OE12CEl6VgG4&index=2start of Barber: Symphony No. 1, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vIAOkWaAo0&list=OLAK5uy_nsDmyAZ_Nmjx_YiJdP-O_OE12CEl6VgG4&index=3Barber: First Essay for Orchestra, Op. 12https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd2n5cTUU3s&list=OLAK5uy_nsDmyAZ_Nmjx_YiJdP-O_OE12CEl6VgG4&index=6start of Barber: Symphony No. 2, Op. 19https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf-29wOSfqE&list=OLAK5uy_nsDmyAZ_Nmjx_YiJdP-O_OE12CEl6VgG4&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsDmyAZ_Nmjx_YiJdP-O_OE12CEl6VgG4>As composers go, Samuel Barber's output was rather small, and of that output only a few pieces have any kind of currency. But those few are major orchestral gems. Barber's music does require an adept and sympathetic orchestra (and conductor) to get them just right, however. On this release, the Royal Scottish National Orchestra, with Marin Alsop conducting, handily accomplishes that task. Their rendering of The School for Scandal Overture rivals the famous Schippers version, and Alsop's take on Symphony No. 1 easily demolishes the Järvi (on Chandos) and the Slatkin (on BMG). The underexposed and rarely performed First Essay for Orchestra has no rivals here at all. Of particular merit is Alsop's handling of the mercurial Symphony No. 2, which so troubled Barber that he later disavowed it. Barber completists will relish this sympathetic reading. --Paul CookGonna go through Marin Alsop's discography. Not everything, but anything that catches my eye which will certainly be most of it, she's a great conductor.
>>128808188she's a great conductor with a prolific, diverse output*, which is what makes going through her discography so fun. She's recorded lesser-known works as often as the standard repertoire.
>>128808194>she's>conductorYeah that's a no from me.
>women conductors are le bad>women instrumentalists/singers are fineexplain this
>>128807186Should I ask?
>>128808360I know a guy who prefers male sopranos/altos over female singers, and he probably wouldn't give a fuck if the conductor was a woman
I wish you nothing but a Merry Christmas /classical/ Baroque and Russian classical for all because tis the season.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYUDy1Q69g&list=RDdJYUDy1Q69g&start_radio=1 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMGKtXElgvA&list=RDMMGKtXElgvA&start_radio=1 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc62GZC5p8s&list=RDjc62GZC5p8s&start_radio=1 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RydMnTCwJvQ [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1bfAmz05Do&list=RDY1bfAmz05Do&start_radio=1 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GUzJ7fQBtg [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR0Jn1mpWyg [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0vFOax7ZeU&list=RDk0vFOax7ZeU&start_radio=1 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhiK7ldzP7s&list=RDvhiK7ldzP7s&start_radio=1 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFBZkN-3ag&list=RDGYFBZkN-3ag&start_radio=1 [Embed]
>>128808505thank you holidayslop sister
>>128808360Being a conductor requires authority and dominance. It's like being a squadron leader in a war. Women will inevitably be swamped by the personalities in their orchestra. Sometimes they can bridge their nature, in more abstract pursuits, but in a real, social environment it's just an impossibility. It's the same reason why there's never been any great female public speakers. Any musician worth their salt will tell you that women can't be conductors. There's many great female pianists, composers, etc. but no conductors.
>>128808584Lesbian women tend to have masculine personality traits and brain anatomy similar to those of heterosexual men. There are women who can be as dominant as men, but that combined with musical skills is quite rare.
>>128808627>Lesbian women tend to have masculine personality traitsIt's superficial. Some women in general are more masculine or rational, but I have absolutely never met a woman or lesbian that made me think 'she behaves like man'.>There are women who can be as dominant as menNonsense. You need more life experience.
>>128808539Merry Christmas tranny poster
>>128808713I admit I have little social experience, I'm asocial, but I think what the conductor needs is not some vague 'masculinity' but low agreeableness, which is a masculine personality trait. I don't see why she would fail otherwise. Conducting is not abstract algebra
The spam is to distract you from the fact that Adorno wrote all The Beatles music.
>>128808911not classical, try >>>/mu/
now playingstart of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 1 in E Minor, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVt9nz3iLk&list=OLAK5uy_k-7quFq98ZS-7_-NCm9I9Ti770DmeEKzg&index=2start of Chopin: Piano Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8_eSmDRDqs&list=OLAK5uy_k-7quFq98ZS-7_-NCm9I9Ti770DmeEKzg&index=5Chopin: Mazurkas, Op. 63: No. 2 in F Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o4zLeccwGc&list=OLAK5uy_k-7quFq98ZS-7_-NCm9I9Ti770DmeEKzg&index=8Chopin: Mazurkas, Op. 68: No. 4 in F Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtb-legGOE8&list=OLAK5uy_k-7quFq98ZS-7_-NCm9I9Ti770DmeEKzg&index=9Waltz in E Minor, B. 56https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y87FlYie7s&list=OLAK5uy_k-7quFq98ZS-7_-NCm9I9Ti770DmeEKzg&index=10https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k-7quFq98ZS-7_-NCm9I9Ti770DmeEKzg>Recorded live at the Moscow Conservatory, this is a truly legendary performance. Any experienced veteran could be proud of it; that a boy of 12 should possess the necessary technique, the musical understanding and maturity, and the sustained concentration, is almost beyond belief. Reveling in his own limitless virtuosity, Kissin seems to be playing with--as well as on--the piano with elfin grace and delicacy; yet his command of the keyboard--his warm, singing, powerful, varied tone--are only tools for expressing his spontaneous response to the music. Chopin's piano concertos are both popular favorites, but the first is more melodious, lyrical, and ingratiating. Kissin obviously delights in its dreamy poetry, exuberance, and mischievous wit, but also has an innate feeling for the dark, foreboding melancholy of the somber, dramatic second one, whose many virtuoso passages he dispatches with stunning ease. The rhythms sparkle, the melodies soar, and perhaps most remarkably, the phrasing, liberties, and transitions have a perfectly balanced, natural poise that is rare even among seasoned performers. There are three short Chopin pieces as encores. --Edith Eisler
5 stages of a Beethoven fan (keep in mind, some never advance to later stages)>1. Braindead normalgoyFur Elise, EU anthem, first movement of Moonlight Sonata>2. Signs of life Pathetique sonata, first movement of 5th symphony, Ode to Joy>3. Above averageWaldstein sonata, 3rd, 5th and 9th symphonies>4. A big fanHammerklavier, Sonata no.32, Missa Solemnis, 7th and 6th symphonies, Kreutzer>5. True ConnoisseurGrosse Fuge, Sonata no.30, Appassionata, String quartet in c# minor op.131, 8th and 3rd (yes, again) symphonies>inb4 where's "X and Y"So, which one is (You)?
>>128809018I'm usually skeptical of "prodigal wunderkind" performances like this but the unanimous, raving reviews are undeniable. Plus, y'know, it's Kissin! Should be good.
>>128809023lol 'signs of life'I guess Big Fan
>>128808108I'm not a troon fucking faggot neither a leftie
>>128809171thank you wignat sister
>>128809194Neither wignat
>>128809307thank you capitalist slavesister
ChoFan/RachAnon, any thoughts on this recording? >>128809018it even has 'Legendary' in the name!
wait a second, Michail Jurowski isn't alive? damn, always assumed he was a living conductor, but he died in 2022. RIP
Respighi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-xJLzDhS0&list=OLAK5uy_mcL9MCXCkMSTovB7Zc3oo8Wq-zSG4JkK0&index=1First time listening to this composer, no idea what to expect. Didn't know he had this much orchestral (ie non-operatic) music -- this set contains just short of 10 hours of music! I've seen his name mentioned here many times so I know there's some fans of his here, which bodes well.
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>>128804730>>128804466>>128809678Is this what some people mean when they say Adorno is a crypto-conservative/reactionary?
>>128809551I feel like he's mostly known for orchestral works, especially the Roman trilogy (that's one of them). Anyway I think he's a great orchestral colourist and tone poet. Really love these evocative music pictures based on Botticelli:https://youtu.be/nRxORN5yAuw
>>128809018>>128809486lol, not bad for a kid. But it's not really great, lacks experience perhaps, it's very bland. I'm sure his later recordings are much better.
>>128809958Thanks for trying it. And yeah, while I did like it a bit more you did, it's not one I'll be returning to in the future. One-and-done. But the fact I was able to listen through it in its entirety is already a mark of quality.
now playingstart of Bach-Busoni: 10 Chorale Preludes, BV B 27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16oCXoknfAc&list=OLAK5uy_lPS_uZdSdz5SljXCyWDa6aCM7G2oJpFXk&index=2start of Brahms-Busoni: 6 Chorale Preludes, BV B 50https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8OlbwMo0rg&list=OLAK5uy_lPS_uZdSdz5SljXCyWDa6aCM7G2oJpFXk&index=12start of Brahms-Reger: Vier ernste Gesängehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxk8b1z2UVM&list=OLAK5uy_lPS_uZdSdz5SljXCyWDa6aCM7G2oJpFXk&index=18Max Reger: Nachtlied, Op. 138/3 (Transcription for Piano)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT0oxZlkgH4&list=OLAK5uy_lPS_uZdSdz5SljXCyWDa6aCM7G2oJpFXk&index=22Morton Feldman: Palais de Marihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpe0PMdFRto&list=OLAK5uy_lPS_uZdSdz5SljXCyWDa6aCM7G2oJpFXk&index=22https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPS_uZdSdz5SljXCyWDa6aCM7G2oJpFXk>New Sony Classical album will draw on experiences of lockdown>Pianist Igor Levit, who won Gramophone’s Record of the Year in 2016 with his triple album of Bach, Beethoven and Rzewski, has announced his next release.>Called ‘Encounter’, it will feature arrangements by Busoni of chorale preludes by Bach, Brahms’s Vier ernste Gesänge arranged by Reger, Reger’s Nachtlied arranged by Julian Becker, and finally Palais de Mari, Morton Feldman’s final work for solo piano.>According to Sony Classical, Levit’s label, the album, full of internal connections between composers, 'seeks sounds that give inner strength and support for the soul. In works by Bach to Max Reger, based on poignant vocal compositions, the desire for encounters and human togetherness is given expression – at a time when isolation is the order of the day.'Highly recommended.
>>128809706Depends on who's saying it. I'm saying it in a very literal manner of a person who is reacting to history and trying to arrest its progress, in his case demanding that the pathos he sees in the misery of history to be manifest in everything. However, he is also called conservative simply for having the taste and discernment to reject mass culture, which is often implied to represent bigotry, especially given his distaste for jazz.
Janacekhttps://youtu.be/FOSFulkl4o0
>>128809678It's your daily Adorno word salad puzzle
>>128810379it makes you think (critically)
>>128810434Sorry forgot my pic
"Adorno is bad; he hated jazz. Marcuse is good; solidarity with the students and so on."
>The poverty of the sunrise of Richard Strauss' Alpine Symphony is caused not merely by banal sequences, but by its very splendor. For no sunrise, not even the one in the high mountains, is pompous, triumphal, stately, but each occurs faintly and diffidently, like the hope that everything may yet turn out well, and precisely in the inconspicuousness of the mightiest of all lights lies that which is so poignantly overwhelming.
>>128810379He's saying that satire is ineffective because it aims to address social decay as though it's an error to correct, a lack in society, rather than a generative force of its own. Consequently people laugh along, taking pleasure in those destructive and nihilistic forces, and it just becomes assimilated into the society that it's trying to critique. The stupider contemporary leftist version of this is when you get people musing about how satire fails when it reproduce the evil it critiques and you get a Fight Club situation where audience relate to the 'wrong character'. Adorno, more intelligent but arguably more obsessed with moral restitutions, dismisses satire altogether.
Just another reminder that Chopin's 3rd sonata is a work of perfection.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJno3TIC57Q
>What is inauthentic about him [Mahler] is not just the allusions to the popular musical idiom of Austria and Bohemia, which have been criticized for their déraciné irony or their mawkish sentimentality. His own musical language is consistently fractured. It challenges the conventional musical belief that music is a pure, unmediated art, a belief that people cling to despite the fact that relations between people have undeniably become more complex and that the world they inhabit is increasingly bureaucratized... Scarcely a theme, let alone a whole movement, can be taken at face value. A masterpiece like the Fourth Symphony has a hypothetical air about it from the first note to the last. Although the composer claims to love nature, he puts musical immediacy and naturalness in doubt, and this doubt goes to the very core of his musical ideas.
>>128809023The Beethoven Fan's tragic descent from real music fan to fart sniffing pretension
Why didn't Mozart write more music like the opening of the Dissonance quartet? Instead of all the same-sounding slop he could've been the greatest modernist composer. What a shame.
>>128810764He was a talented hack
>>128810764>>128810832Further proof.
>>128810525triggered much?
>>128810764filtered by opera
Recommend me some of your favorite string quartets or quintets
>>128811028https://youtu.be/3AnZc3SKdKc
>>128811028https://youtu.be/NhG-ZAyCLSw
>>128810935This doesn't even look real. It looks like she has her hand round a cardboard cutout
Boulezhttps://youtu.be/JhQ2AZsK7Os
Moeranhttps://youtu.be/Q9e8ruTzUXA
>>128804350What was his fucking problem?
>>128810302that's a man
>>128811264You wouldn't get it.
>>128811617>I have still enough of the Pole left in me to let all other music go, if only I can keep Chopin.One of the best things he ever said.
>>128811264Wagner>>128811617Wagner
I finally figured out the correct way to tag classical music. It's just cover versions. Even if a composer failed to record any of his works, other artists can still cover them.Album is whatever's written on the physical media packaging. Classical releases often have the same titles as other releases, so for convenience of distinguishing different releases, "([Label] [Catalogue Number])" can be appended to the Album tag. Artist is the orchestra/ensemble/performer. The conductor or soloist is not the artist for tagging purposes any more than the lead singer of a band is, so they can be listed in the Comments tag is applicable. Title is the official title of the work, including the opus number or catalogue number if applicable, with "([Composer Name] cover)" appended. If there are multiple artists on the same album it's tagged just like any other Various Artists release.
>>128811749Holy autism
All these Andreyev interviews with contemporary composers are so comfy, I wish I was an intellectual contemporary composer like those guysInstead of having cool friends to talk about contemporary music i'm stuck here with a bunch of midwits who only listen to the same 10 romantic/classical composers
Now playing: Weinberg Piano Quintet.
>>128811787We could listen to contemporary music and discuss them in depth together, whilst holding hands and cuddling :3
On this episode of the Jordan Peterson Podcast, Jordan was joined by Samuel Andreyev. Samuel Andreyev is a Canadian composer. He writes music for orchestras, soloists, chamber groups, singers, and other ensembles throughout Europe and the world. He also hosts the Samuel Andreyev Podcast, a professor at the Hochschule für Musik Freiburg. He is also known for his YouTube Channel, presenting an analysis of works that he believes are interesting and important.Dr. Jordan Peterson and Samuel Andreyev discussed skills needed to be successful as an artist, where to start if you want to compose music, the hierarchy in western music, the relationship of music and language, the importance of genres, tips on learning composition, how having a family is helpful to his career and more.https://youtu.be/rNcqLN42l8s
>>128811749>Artist is the orchestra/ensemble/performer.This drives me mad if it's the only tag (ie sans the composer). I don't care to sort by the Gewandhaus orchestra!
>>128811870yes :)
>>128812367It's how it's done for all other music. Trying to redesign all music player software is futile. Just accept that classical is almost entirely cover versions and tag is as such.
I don't believe anyone can tell any Myaskovsky symphony apart
Is electroacustic classical?
>>128811882>>128811787buy an ad you fucking nigger.
>>128812405I care about practicality and use, and the fact of the matter is sorting by composer is what I most frequently rely on to find and play recordings.
>>128812405Just put composer as artist and performer as album artist. Easy.
>>128811882>Jordan Peterson
no I don't wanna hangout and drink and come over, I gotta get home and listen to classical
>>128812426It can be. People generally regard Xenakis and Stockhausen as classical after all.
>>128804350Holy based.
He was an undersized little man, with a head too big for his body — a sickly little man. His nerves were bad. He had skin trouble. It was agony for him to wear anything next to his skin coarser than silk. And he had delusions of grandeur. He was a monster of conceit. Never for one minute did he look at the world or at people, except in relation to himself. He was not only the most important person in the world, to himself; in his own eyes he was the only person who existed. He believed himself to be one of the greatest dramatists in the world, one of the greatest thinkers, and one of the greatest composers. To hear him talk, he was Shakespeare, and Beethoven, and Plato, rolled into one. And you would have had no difficulty in hearing him talk. He was one of the most exhausting conversationalists that ever lived. An evening with him was an evening spent in listening to a monologue. Sometimes he was brilliant; sometimes he was maddeningly tiresome. But whether he was being brilliant or dull, he had one sole topic of conversation: himself. What he thought and what he did.Wagner_Caricature_25He had a mania for being in the right. The slightest hint of disagreement, from anyone, on the most trivial point, was enough to set him off on a harangue that might last for hours, in which he proved himself right in so many ways, and with such exhausting volubility, that in the end his hearer, stunned and deafened, would agree with him, for the sake of peace.It never occurred to him that he and his doing were not of the most intense and fascinating interest to anyone with whom he came in contact. He had theories about almost any subject under the sun, including vegetarianism, the drama, politics, and music; and in support of these theories he wrote pamphlets, letters, books . . . thousands upon thousands of words, hundreds and hundreds of pages.
>>128812469thank godlately I've been exploring "my people" electroacoustic musicI've known Ligeti, Xenakis and others for years, but never really knew much about polish electroacousiticI love it so far, here is a piece:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TsggG83Uqkwhole channel is run by people who take records from some institute, and digitalise them afaik
>>128812610He not only wrote these things, and published them — usually at somebody else’s expense — but he would sit and read them aloud, for hours, to his friends and his family.He wrote operas; and no sooner did he have the synopsis of a story, but he would invite — or rather summon — a crowd of his friends to his house and read it aloud to them. Not for criticism. For applause. When the complete poem was written, the friends had to come again, and hear that read aloud. Then he would publish the poem, sometimes years before the music that went with it was written. He played the piano like a composer, in the worst sense of what that implies, and he would sit down at the piano before parties that included some of the finest pianists of his time, and play for them, by the hour, his own music, needless to say. He had a composer’s voice. And he would invite eminent vocalists to his house, and sing them his operas, taking all the parts.He had the emotional stability of a six-year-old child. When he felt out of sorts, he would rave and stamp, or sink into suicidal gloom and talk darkly of going to the East to end his days as a Buddhist monk. Ten minutes later, when something pleased him, he would rush out of doors and run around the garden, or jump up and down on the sofa, or stand on his head. He could be griefstricken over the death of a pet dog, and he could be callous and heartless to a degree that would have made a Roman emperor shudder.He was almost innocent of any sense of responsibility. Not only did he seem incapable of supporting himself, but it never occurred to him that he was under any obligation to do so. He was convinced that the world owed him a living. In support of this belief, he borrowed money from everybody who was good for a loan — men, women, friends, or strangers.
>>128811882I'm not used to classical discussiion where they don't call each other retarded tranny Jewish faggot esl Indians and tell each other to kill themselves
>>128812626He wrote begging letters by the score, sometimes groveling without shame, at others loftily offering his intended benefactor the privilege of contributing to his support, and being mortally offended if the recipient declined the honor. I have found no record of his ever paying or repayjng money to anyone who did not have a legal claim upon it.What money he could lay his hands on he spent like an Indian rajah. The mere prospect of a performance of one of his operas was enough to set him to running up bills amounting to ten times the amount of his prospective royalties. On an income that would reduce a more scrupulous man to doing his own laundry, he would keep two servants. Without enough money in his pocket to pay his rent, he would have the walls and ceiling of his study lined with pink silk. No one will ever know — certainly he never knew — how much money he owed. We do know that his greatest benefactor gave him $6,000 to pay the most pressing of his debts in one city, and a year later had to give him $16,000 to enable him to live in another city without being thrown into jail for debt.He was equally unscrupulous in other ways. An endless procession of women marches through his life. His first wife spent twenty years enduring and forgiving his infidelities. His second wife had been the wife of his most devoted friend and admirer, from whom he stole her. And even while he was trying to persuade her to leave her first husband he was writing to a friend to inquire whether he could suggest some wealthy woman — any wealthy woman — whom he could marry for her money.He was completely selfish in his other personal relationships. His liking for his friends was measured solely by the completeness of their devotion to him, or by their usefulness to him, whether financial or artistic. The minute they failed him — even by so much as refusing a dinner invitation — or began to lessen in usefulness, he cast them off without a second thought.
>>128812649At the end of his life he had exactly one friend left whom he had known even in middle age.He had a genius for making enemies. He would insult a man who disagreed with him about the weather. He would pull endless wires in order to meet some man who admired his work, and was able and anxious to be of use to him — and would proceed to make a mortal enemy of him with some idiotic and wholly uncalled-for exhibition of arrogance and bad manners. A character in one of his operas was a caricature of one of the most powerful music critics of his day. Not content with burlesquing him, he invited the critic to his house and read him the libretto aloud in front of his friends.The name of this monster was Richard Wagner. Everything that I have said about him you can find on record — in newspapers, in police reports, in the testimony of people who knew him, in his own letters, between the lines of his autobiography. And the curious thing about this record is that it doesn’t matter in the least.Because this undersized, sickly, disagreeable, fascinating little man was right all the time. The joke was on us. He was one of the world’s great dramatists; he was a great thinker; he was one of the most stupendous musical geniuses that, up to now, the world has ever seen. The world did owe him a living. People couldn’t know those things at the time, I suppose; and yet to us, who know his music, it does seem as though they should have known. What if he did talk about himself all the time? If he had talked about himself for twenty-four hours every day for the span of his life he would not have uttered half the number of words that other men have spoken and written about him since his death.
>>128812663When you consider what he wrote-thirteen operas and music dramas, eleven of them still holding the stage, eight of them unquestionably worth ranking among the world’s great musico-dramatic masterpieces — when you listen to what he wrote, the debts and heartaches that people had to endure from him don’t seem much of a price. Eduard Hanslick, the critic whom he caricatured in Die Meistersinger and who hated him ever after, now lives only because he was caricatured in Die Meistersinger. The women whose hearts he broke are long since dead; and the man who could never love anyone but himself has made them deathless atonement, I think, with Tristan und Isolde. Think of the luxury with which for a time, at least, fate rewarded Napoleon, the man who ruined France and looted Europe; and then perhaps you will agree that a few thousand dollars’ worth of debts were not too heavy a price to pay for the Ring trilogy.What if he was faithless to his friends and to his wives? He had one mistress to whom be was faithful to the day of his death: Music. Not for a single moment did he ever compromise with what be believed, with what he dreamed. There is not a line of his music that could have been conceived by a little mind. Even when he is dull, or downright bad, he is dull in the grand manner. There is greatness about his worst mistakes. Listening to his music, one does not forgive him for what be may or may not have been. It is not a matter of forgiveness. It is a matter of being dumb with wonder that his poor brain and body didn’t burst under the torment of the demon of creative energy that lived inside him, struggling, clawing, scratching to be released; tearing, shrieking at him to write the music that was in him. The miracle is that what he did in the little space of seventy years could have been done at all, even by a great genius. Is it any wonder that he had no time to be a man?
>>128812639at least we know what we're talking about. in fact, I'm completing a degree majoring in composition.
>>128812639shut up, retard.
>>128812680>I'm completing a degree majoring in composition.Really?
Rautavaarahttps://youtu.be/RstLkKd7rR8
>>128812680>>128812695Composing Big Macs
>>128812695yes but you should continue watching youtube clickbait slop marketed towards retarded faggots like (you). I wouldn't know anything about music.
>>128812707you need to be at least 18 years old to post here.
>>128812721I didn't post that you insufferable cunt. kys
>why is there is absolute dearth in music?>it bears reminding that there are still massive swathes of the contemporary composition world still chasing the emancipation of the dissonance, including one or two legitimate geniuses that i know in person. why they have dedicated their lives in pursuit of the obviously impossible in spite of their incomparable understanding of music is beyond me; it’s possible that it’s simply a result of their upbringing (which i believe is the case for one whose father was friends with xenakis)
>>128812782go back to the archives and never come back.
>>128812803You will never be him.
>>128812732my apologies, anon. I just have an intense hatred of charlatans like Peterson, Adorno, and Hurwitz.
>>128812935meant for: >>128812763
>>128812935Peterson is a self-lying charlatanHurwitz is a sufferer of the dunning-kruger effectAdorno is alright
do you guys have sex regularly? the average 4chan user strikes me as a permavirgin, so I wonder if /classical/ is any better
A Gothic phantasmagoria... Are you ready to be ravished by the imagination of a genius? The blood boils, the demons pant... Tchaikovsky sings. When I hear such dithyrambs the spirit of the satyr calls me to romance, frenzy, and the bosom of nature where the rod of Dionysus throbs. O Times Long Past! We cannot equal your potency...! To love his music is to yearn for the annihilation of the world of today.https://youtu.be/3jRH6iWY2ao
>>128812980sex depletes one's life force.
>>128812980>betterwhy would it be better to give yourself to hedonism?
>>128813016>>128813017i'm asking the normal people not you lot
>>128813052>asking the normal peoplebuddy, you're in the wrong neighborhood.
>>128812935Peterson is cool Hurwitz is not for me but some people like himAdorno is a commie Jew, awful in every way and beloved only by pseuds like yourself
>>128813131Hurwitz is great for recording recommendations but he isn't a professional musician, Adorno is for Marxists who were filtered by Schoenberg, and I'm not going to doxx myself just to prove to you that I'm not a pseud.
>reading community amazon review>" I am a violinist who plays in telepathic improvisational harmony with her husband, "???
>>128813372kek. can you post a link?
>>128813390There's nothing else interesting in the rest of their short review, but it's the top one on this release,https://www.amazon.com/Violin-CD-DVD-Anna-Clyne/dp/B01M3WEM81
For tonight's performance of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, we turn to young pianist Aaron Pilsan and his very recent releases (book 1, 2021; book 2, 2025):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHJdq72mRjg&list=OLAK5uy_lJ-Ly7AxpRC2tHhG_cSAi-7uXbpdVrjFw&index=19>Aaron Pilsan is only twenty-five years old, but he already has a busy career to his credit, with a solo album devoted to Beethoven and Schubert - very well received by the critics - and another of duo repertory with the cellist Kian Soltani. A student of Lars Vogt, he has also received guidance from András Schiff - Bach has always been at the center of their work together. The young Austrian pianist has been fascinated since childhood by The Well-Tempered Clavier, 'that musical journey on which Bach embarks with us in Book One: from the seemingly simple and joyful triad of the famous Prelude in C major to the final fugue, of a complexity almost worthy of Schoenberg, on a subject that already includes the twelve semitones of the chromatic scale... Ever since I became interested in Bach's music, I have never ceased to ask myself how to make the modern grand piano - which has a rich fundamental sound but a reduced volume of harmonics compared to the harpsichord - produce an essentially "well-tempered" impression on the listener... But for me it was not a question of instrumental history, but of interpretation.'>tfw younger than me
>There was a time in Germany when folk knew Music from no other side than Erudition—it was the age of Sebastian Bach. But it then was the form wherein one looked at things in general, and in his deeply-pondered fugues Bach told a tale as vigorous as Beethoven now tells us in the freest symphony. The difference was this: those people knew no other forms, and the composers of that time were truly learned. To-day both sides have changed. The forms have become freer, kindlier, we have learnt to live,—and our composers no longer are learned: the ridiculous part of it, however, is that they want to pose as learned. In the genuine scholar one never marks his learning. Mozart, to whom the hardest feat in counterpoint had become a second nature, simply gained thereby his giant self-dependence;—who thinks of his learning, when listening to his Figaro? But the difference, as said, is this: Mozart was learned, whilst nowadays men want to seem so. There can be nothing wronger-headed than this craze. Every hearer enjoys a clear, melodious thought,—the more seizable the whole to him, the more will he be seized by it;—the composer knows this himself,—he sees by what he makes an effect, and what obtains applause;—in fact it comes much easier to him, for he has only to let himself go; but no! he is plagued by the German devil, and must shew the people his learning too! He hasn't learnt quite so much, however, as to bring anything really learned to light; so that nothing comes of it but turgid bombast. But if it is ridiculous of the composer to clothe himself in this nimbus of scholarship, it is equally absurd for the public to give itself the air of understanding and liking it; it ends in people being ashamed of their fondness for a merry French opera, and avowing with Germanomaniac embarrassment that it would be all the better for a little learning.Wagner singlehandedly recognised all the flaws in Romanticism in 1834.
There seems to be a misconception that Wagner was a "bad person" in his life, where nothing could be further from the truth. He was a vegetarian after all, and developed morality philosophically to the extent little do.>Only the love that springs from pity, and carries its compassion to the utmost breaking of self-will, is the redeeming Christian Love, in which Faith and Hope are both included of a—Faith as the unwavering consciousness of that moral meaning of the world, confirmed by the most divine exemplar; Hope as the blessed sense of the impossibility of any cheating of this consciousness.>AFTER recognising the necessity of a regeneration of the human race, if we follow up the possibilities of its ennoblement we light on little else than obstacles. In our attempt to explain its downfall by a physical perversion we had the support of the noblest sages of all time, who believed they found the cause of degeneration in the substituting of animal for vegetable food; thus we necessarily were led to the assumption of a change in the fundamental substance of our body, and to a corrupted blood we traced the depravation of temperaments and of moral qualities proceeding from them..... We cannot withhold our acknowledgment that the human family consists of irremediably disparate races, whereof the noblest well might rule the more ignoble, yet never raise them to their level by commixture, but simply sin to theirs. Indeed this one relation might suffice to explain our fall; even its cheerlessness should not blind us to it: if it is reasonable to assume that the dissolution of our earthly globe is purely a question of time, we probably shall have to accustom ourselves to the idea of the human species dying out. On the other hand there is such a matter as life beyond all time and space, and the question whether the world has a moral meaning we here will try to answer by asking ourselves if we mean to go to ground as beasts or gods.
>>128814244Hitler was a vegetatian too
The People United Will (Not) Be Defeatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4SwMOCptk
>>128815493kill yourself.
>>128815556Goldberg Variations -> Diabelli Variations -> The People United
Puccinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCL9ikm5w8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L1sJd5GlFshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YprWBr2xxXQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpqKI6m0RUc
now playingstart of Ligeti: String Quartet No. 1 "Métamorphoses nocturnes"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AzdnzATdF0&list=OLAK5uy_mT0dYFkJwn8eSMFYyoR07sllzXHXoTj5s&index=2start of Bartok: String Quartet No. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRxH3SH_CTI&list=OLAK5uy_mT0dYFkJwn8eSMFYyoR07sllzXHXoTj5s&index=10start of Ligeti: String Quartet No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIX15Z06g8g&list=OLAK5uy_mT0dYFkJwn8eSMFYyoR07sllzXHXoTj5s&index=14https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mT0dYFkJwn8eSMFYyoR07sllzXHXoTj5s>For it's first recording for BIS Records, the Marmen Quartet tackles three major works from the twentieth-century string quartet literature. The two quartets by Gyorgy Ligeti belong to two different periods in the composer's output. Written before Ligeti left Hungary and emigrated to the West, the First, subtitled 'Metamorphoses nocturnes', represents the peak of his 'Hungarian' period. Regarded as a virtuoso exercise, the work reveals the influences of Bela Bartok, particularly from his Third and Fourth Quartets. Ligeti's Second Quartet belongs to his second period, particularly rich in significant works. Considered by the composer as a response to the works of his illustrious predecessors such as Mozart, Beethoven, Bartok and Berg, the Second Quartet, with it's calculated anarchy, dynamic extremes and sublime climaxes, is not only one of Ligeti's masterpieces but also a true classic of modernism.Bela Bartok's Fourth Quartet, which had a particularly strong influence on Ligeti, is widely seen as one of his most radical; it requires high levels of technical accomplishment from the performers, yet reveals a deep understanding of the instruments, and draws an unprecedented range of colour and character from them."Métamorphoses nocturnes" is such a dope name for a piece.
>>128815687Bartok is so good.
>>128812980I'm a homosexual, and I choose to abstain despite the higher accessability. I would like to understand why would having sex make one 'better', straight or gay doesn't matter, what am I missing
>>128816219it makes one happy and there is no reason not to do it (unless you've been tricked by a religious background or don't use any protection) so naturally those who do it will be happier than those who don't, and consequently feel more fulfilled (of course this can be undone by suffering or lacking in other important areas of life, but that's another discussion entirely)this is all extremely obvious and really only someone who's such a loser they can't have sex somehow (which sounds nigh unbelievable) would disagree as a means to confort themselves, which is both pathetic and happens to be most of the site. /classical/ is different enough from the rest of the site (or used to be. the spam has gotten really bad lately) that this too could be different
>>128816219ok, OP.
>>128812980i have sex with my anime girl body pillow with built in onahole regularly, yes
>>128816700You can't say what makes me or anyone else happy. Happiness is so subjective you'd be better off arguing over musical tastes. I don't want to appeal to tradition but there is a good reason many religions and philosophies choose abstinence. And it's more relevant today than ever. I'm not going to write an essay on this obvious topic.>this is all extremely obvious and really only someone who's such a loser they can't have sex somehow (which sounds nigh unbelievable) would disagreeOkay anon. If that's how you choose to delude yourself with. Why don't you inject yourself with meth and listen to pop while at it? I can guarantee it will make you feel better, even if momentarily.
>>128807503>the Schumann Violin Concerto, prolly the worst composition of all timeWhy?
>>128812809And thank fucking God for that.
If, on the other hand, we estimate the worth of the Beautiful Arts by the culture they supply to the mind, and take as a standard the expansion of the faculties which must concur in the Judgement for cognition, Music will have the lowest place among them (as it has perhaps the highest among those arts which are valued for their pleasantness), because it merely plays with sensations. The formative arts are far before it in this point of view; for in putting the Imagination in a free play, which is also accordant with the Understanding, they at the same time carry on a serious business. This they do by producing a product that serves for concepts as a permanent self-commendatory vehicle for promoting their union with sensibility and thus, as it were, the urbanity of the higher cognitive powers. These two species of art take quite different courses; the first proceeds from sensations to indeterminate Ideas, the second from determinate Ideas to sensations. The latter produce permanent, the former only transitory impressions. The Imagination can recall the one and entertain itself pleasantly therewith; but the other either vanish entirely, or if they are recalled involuntarily by the Imagination they are rather wearisome than pleasant. Besides, there attaches to Music a certain want of urbanity from the fact that, chiefly from the character of its instruments, it extends its influence further than is desired (in the neighbourhood), and so as it were obtrudes itself, and does violence to the freedom of others who are not of the musical company. The Arts which appeal to the eyes do not do this; for we need only turn our eyes away, if we wish to avoid being impressed. The case of music is almost like that of the delight derived from a smell that diffuses itself widely. The man who pulls his perfumed handkerchief out of his pocket attracts the attention of all round him, even against their will, and he forces them, if they are to breathe at all, to enjoy the scent;
>>128817428Schopenhauerbros...
>>128817428>philosopher pretends to be an authority on something he knows little about.color me shocked. >>128817465Schopenhauer had a higher IQ than Kant and unlike the majority of so-called "intellectuals" he successfully ran a business.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wU5K9zjGvk
Why are Bernstein's Mahler 9 and 6 so good and his Mahler 5 mediocre? Or is it just me? Classicstoday has it as a reference recording for some reason too
>>128818512So now you learn all of us weren't just being pretentious when we said no one cycle had all the answers. Though I did think Bernstein's 5th is great but I gotta be in the right mood for its slow, heavyhanded style, compared to some leaner recordings which are good for all times.
>>128818512>Classicstoday has it as a reference recording for some reason too>for some reason>the guy who lists Bernstein has a reference on nearly every Mahler piece>_>
Are there any modern musicians that actually 'sing' like early 20th century musicians, pulling out all the stops?
>>128818551I think you're confusing me with someone else.It sounded sterile, not just if slow, but almost expressionless.
now playing, contemporary classicalstart of Kalevi Aho: Symphony No. 2www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd1t23xqKVU&list=OLAK5uy_kauq-NQOmTp5I0uinnoCLSve2jKpTDJjo&index=1start of Kalevi Aho: Symphony No. 7, "Hyonteissinfonia" (Insect Symphony)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9CFZhFQjNs&list=OLAK5uy_kauq-NQOmTp5I0uinnoCLSve2jKpTDJjo&index=2https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kauq-NQOmTp5I0uinnoCLSve2jKpTDJjoOutside of the composer being Finnish and contemporary, I have no idea what to expect with this. Should be fun! They have at least 15 symphonies and other pieces, so lots to explore if it does click.
>>128818638Huh, usually the complaint is Bernstein tries to wring every last ounce of expression out of a piece, and then some by inserting some of his own. Nothing wrong with not liking his though, this is why we got options!
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiI-_Dq0Isk&list=OLAK5uy_kC8vtn1D6KEjONU1-o_VWH6lXY91bnVJ4&index=6
Mahler 4 & Das Lied Von Der Erde > everything else he ever wrote
>>128819078wrong but respectable aesthete opinion
>>128819078I would give up 99% of the standard repertoire just for the 9th. 4th and DVDE are not even his top 5
now playingJS Bach: Suite for String Orchestra No. 3 in D Major, BWV 1068: Air (Arr. for piano by A. Siloti)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4IKgXTtpWg&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=2start of JS Bach: Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue in D Minor, BWV 903https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsWnButa4ig&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=3start of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hiLo_EcXII&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=5Schubert-Liszt: Der Doppelgänger, S . 560, No. 12 (Arr. for piano by Franz Liszt)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVYHalQa77k&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=8Berg: Klavierstück in B Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQOiYZ-7ma0&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=9Berg: Piano Sonata, Op. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z7n4em8XZY&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=10Busoni: Fantasia contrappuntistica, BV 256https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJHE1iFSoc&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=11Busoni: Nuit de Noël, BV 251https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiZzJYt0Jkg&list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPg&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nw8n8qLECAVVHXddDJA-y9IoCxUxIPmPgThe program/tracklist on this recording is so good. Highly recommended. I'm telling you guys, Igor Levit is one of the handful greatest living pianists, and you're missing out on wonderful performances and musical history (ie instant classics) by not listening to his recordings.
>>128819187>I would give up 99% of the standard repertoire just for the 9th.And people say Mahlerians are better than Wagnerians...
Just got recommended this recording on my streaming service. Anyone here familiar with it? Any fans of this work or the composer Sorabji? I've of course seen his name mentioned here occasionally but usually in a teasing manner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIerkJU8sA&list=OLAK5uy_n4FYVF7eDu5Tg-hsGFz91NvVxVWayh5kU&index=2Such a titanic piano work though, I feel compelled to check it out.>Opus clavicembalisticum (Latin: "Piece for Keyboard") is a work for piano solo by English composer-pianist Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji, written from 1929 to 25 June 1930. Notable for its unprecedented length, rhythmic and harmonic complexity and extreme difficulty, it was premièred in Glasgow by its author in the year of its completion.[1]>By its time of completion, Opus clavicembalisticum was the longest and possibly most technically demanding piano piece in existence, taking around 4–4+1⁄2 hours to play, depending on tempi. However, various works by New Complexity, modernist and avant-garde composers, along with Sorabji himself, have since surpassed its statures: several of his later works, such as the Symphonic Variations for piano (approximate duration nine hours), exceed its length. It is in these areas that Opus clavicembalisticum is esteemed and primarily receives its reputation.>Sorabji may have partly been inspired to compose the work after hearing Egon Petri perform Ferruccio Busoni's Fantasia contrappuntistica;[2] to an extent, Opus clavicembalisticum is an homage to the Fantasia.[3] Sorabji's earlier Toccata No. 1 (1928) (likewise for piano solo and in multiple movements) exudes similar Busonian influence—in some ways prefiguring Opus clavicembalisticum.
>>128817193It's a pretty stupid comment, but not because the concerto is good. Schumann wrote the violin concerto very late, not long before his final break from reality. It bears a lot of the problems of the last music he wrote and it's not really representative of the composer.
>>128807503>have something as horrendous as the Schumann Violin Concerto, prolly the worst composition of all time.It's not as good as one would expect from a composer of Schumann's stature, especially given how magnificent his other concertos are, but it's more than fine.
>>128819274I quite like Sorabji but he is a dense perfume. If you like Busoni and Scriabin then you'll probably find value in him. I enjoyed his (very long) set of variations on the Dies Irae, which I had to break up over several days, but I would recommend starting with smaller pieces if you don't want to get lost in the fog. Pic related is a good introductory recording containing works across his career including the opening of the Opus Clavicembalisticum.
>The concerto is sometimes denoted with the Opus number 99 as it was written in 1947–48 but without a premiere at the time because of the use of Jewish themes and Shostakovich's troubles with the government at the time. j-jewish themes!? :O
>>128812426I used to think it was a meme but reading an article on this contemporary composer I've come to like, it states they honed their craft on EAI, which I find fascinating.
Listen to Anna Clynehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKQAI_rNsVU&list=OLAK5uy_mOIBLudXIaojoaeAkoC_uUwXRx99M8Ayc&index=4
>>128819374?Yes, Shostakovich famously borrowed from Jewish music throughout his career. Wasn't always appreciated by Soviet authorites.
>>128819355Noted, thank you. So it's actually good music and pretentious, 2deep4u nonsense?
>>128819430Depends on what you like. Some people find him insufferably long-winded virtuososlop. I generally have to be in the right mood for Sorabji but I think there is inspiration there.
Anastasia Kobekina's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXjhB4IP2s&list=OLAK5uy_kv4SWl_TyuaYA9kRL3UTU7hXnjegwm2Dc&index=25
The wonderful thing about Bach for me is when I am unsure of what to listen to, when nothing I put on is doing the trick, whether from my established favorites or backlog of recordings I am generally ecstatic to try, yet I know I want to listen to something, I know I can always find safe refuge in one of Bach's many masterpieces.
The wonderful thing about BachIs that Bach is a wonderful thingHis body is made out of keyboardsHis spirit is made out of stringsHe's bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncyFun fun fun fun funBut the most wonderful thing about BachIs that he's the only one
now playingstart of Michael Tippett: Piano Concerto (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNL39Bg5LBw&list=OLAK5uy_nEUo1lZgalosyfKjDyNTblR8MQth_bP6k&index=2start of Michael Tippett: Symphony No. 2 (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yhv3VS1MQ&list=OLAK5uy_nEUo1lZgalosyfKjDyNTblR8MQth_bP6k&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nEUo1lZgalosyfKjDyNTblR8MQth_bP6k>LPO Principal Conductor Edward Gardner loves the music of Michael Tippett, he says, because of it's 'otherworldly, luminous and elemental' qualities, which 'strike right from his inspiration to a listener's heart.' In 2022 the LPO and Gardner released a landmark live recording of Tippett's opera The Midsummer Marriage, which won a Gramophone Award, and on this disc Gardner continues to shine a spotlight on this fascinating 20th-century composer. The ferociously difficult Piano Concerto is executed flawlessly by Steven Osborne, while the Second Symphony revels in the newfound clarity, intricate textures and formal rigor that would become the hallmarks of Tippett's later works.
Medtnerhttps://youtu.be/AX3jNHZGswE
>Vickers enlarged on why he refused to sing Tannhauser. He believes the work is Wagner’s most full frontal assault on Christianity, the title role a blackguard “despicable, arrogant and amoral”.>Vickers takes his stand on “humility before the eternal and the acceptance of justification by faith.” He’s a great Wagnerian singer, yet he has no doubt of Wagner’s evil purposes. He traces a line of corrupt influence from Voltaire and Rousseau through Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Marx to “the greatest evil influence of all that has wreaked damage in our civilisation like no other figure – Sigmund Freud. A controversial opinion, but I have the support of one of the very great minds of this century – Mr Hayek.”
>>128821537Wagner raped his mind.
>>128821537le epic magic jew cult ruining someone's mind yet again
>>128815687Yo what's that stone thing?
>>128817554Low iq post
>>128821972Shut up.
>>128819274His only good works are the nocturnes Gulistan, Le jardin parfume and Djami.
>>128819296>It bears a lot of the problems of the last music he wroteWhich are?
>>128822314Diffuse and repetitive.
>>128822325Would you say the Geistervariationen are in the same boat?
>>128822331Yeah. I don't think they're worthless by any means, and there is a kind of simple, poignant, and haunting beauty in the variations, but it's not really fair to judge Schumann by them. I do have fondness for the concerto also—his inspiration and passion was not dead regardless of formal failings—but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't already a Schumann enthusiast. Easy to see how someone could find especially the finale galumphing and repetitious.
"There are certain chameleons among present-day composers -- they call themselves post-modernists -- and they mix everything they can steal, and paint the stolen elements with different colors so that you cannot identify them immediately. They are enormous garbage containers of pre-existing sound figures and clichés..." -Karlheinz Stockhausen
>>128822598Wow how did he become so wise
>>128822598>They are enormous garbage containersYou know what other composer was a massive garbage container?
>>128822924Wagner
>>128822976You are a garbage container for Wagner's vril
I don't like the term "romantislop" but I have to admit that it aptly describes Saint-Saëns' music.
>>128823049Probably one of the less sloppy Romantic composers actually
>>128823049Saint-Saens is too restrained and polished to be "romantislop" unlike some Russian composers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhy0yCDQUjw
>>128821537based
>>128822003The portal they came out of -- you become interdimensional once you ascend to a Ligeti fan.I got no idea.
>>128821537I wholeheartedly disagree with people like this but I gotta respect their principled stand and moral self-righteousness.
>>128822003a reference to Kubrick's use of Ligeti in the film 2001 - A Space Odyssey.
Mozart Erected the Form of Music so that Wagner could provide the Orgasm.
>>128823497That's a nice line
I don't like Anton Bruckner. I may be a classical music journalist, a trained musician and so on, but I remain deeply, pathologically allergic to the Lumbering Loony of Linz. I've lost count of the well-meaning friends, relations and colleagues who have made it their personal mission to "convert" me. Alas, each attempt has been counter-productive.An old music exam question helps to articulate the problem: "Brahms termed Bruckner's masterpieces 'symphonic boa constrictors'. Discuss." So, here goes. Bruckner's symphonies are stiflingly, crushingly, oppressive. Once you're in one, you can't get out again. Spend too long in their grip and you lose the will to live. They are cold-blooded and exceedingly long, and they go round and round in circles.Bruckner (1824-1896) was obsessive compulsive. He had a counting mania – to the point that he would stand under a tree and count its leaves.He had little or no personal life and legend suggests that he slept in protective clothing because he suffered "nocturnal emissions".When I was asked to choose my "most boring masterpiece" for a round-up in BBC Music Magazine last year, I picked the Symphony No 7. It is the most frustrating of the lot, because after after the glorious opening minute and a half or so, he fails quite spectacularly to follow it through. All that opening's sunrise-like, mystical beauty dissipates into plinky-plonky, counting-the-notes, closing-passage twiddles. And then you have to sit through the remaining 68 minutes.I've been trying to like Bruckner for 30 years. I have not once succeeded.
>>128823711>He had little or no personal life and legend suggests that he slept in protective clothing because he suffered "nocturnal emissions".he just like me frfr
>>128823711nobody asked, Jessica.
>>128823518Evidently not
>>128823809That's not what they would have said in this situation, they would have said,>if you're retarded, maybeDon't worry, this one is free-of-charge.
>>128823820thank you, sister.
>>128823820Evidently not
>>128823843hehe
The problem with wanting to listen to contemporary classical is you don't have the benefit of history and time as a filter of quality, and while when I was younger I was fine listening to mountains of mediocre-to-worse rock albums to broaden my taste and find the obscure gems, I'm not really into that anymore, plus it's different when it's classical -- it's like the difference between watching a mediocre romcom or action flick versus a mediocre arthouse film, the latter is far more offensive and a waste of time.That Anna Clyne, Kalevi Aho, Thomas Ades, and Pēteris Vasks really got me in the mood for more tho
After all why not? Why shouldn't I listen to Schubert?
Gyorgy Kurtaghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAqvDzBQW3Q&list=OLAK5uy_k3qAZit-CFtLwpmmdP5v8Olqu7wFLbz_w&index=2
Serialist Judge: Franz Schubert, you stand accused... of writing melodies that are too beautiful, creating harmonies that are too romantic, and keeping it too motherfucking real. How do you plead?Schubert: I plead... guilty to all charges, your honor.Judge: gaspJury: gaspAvant-garde prosecutor: grits teeth and starts growlingSchubert's hot defense lawyer with a huge rack and heavenly soprano voice: Whoa... he might just have what it takes...
>>128824138Schubert was a second-rate composer.
>>128824138the postmodernists slandered Schubert by claiming he died of syphilis in an effort to discredit his superior talent
>>128824138>anon actually thought this was good anywhere outside of his head
>>128824013Because he was an incel like most German/Austrian composers were, listen to composers who fuck like Haydn, Wagner, Debussy, Bach, Stravinsky, Rimdky-Korsakov and Bartok
now playingstart of Bartok: Violin Concerto No. 1, Sz. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O3GTC7XgEo&list=OLAK5uy_nQ-9ywKoerLHGyU4FCuAfnF7HMYjPqxBQ&index=2start of Bartok: Violin Concerto No. 2 in B Major, Sz. 112https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIEDZI8Y3bY&list=OLAK5uy_nQ-9ywKoerLHGyU4FCuAfnF7HMYjPqxBQ&index=3https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQ-9ywKoerLHGyU4FCuAfnF7HMYjPqxBQ
>>128824138Ignoring all the genres, overall musical output and all, Schubert was the highest IQ, the greatest genius, the Newton of music. So powerful that it killed him. Just 5 or 10 more years and there would be no reason to listen to any other composer. Schubert's name would be more known than Shakespeare, Napoleon, Harry Potter and Jesus combined. Even what we have of him is worthy of endless worship and admiration, think of D960,the greatest sonata ever conceived.If there is a God, his name is Franz Schubert.
>>128824210I thought it was funny actually cause I saw your post first and it sort of primed me
>>128824243bait should be believable.
>>128824218Bruckner was an incel and he was the greatest Romantic composer thoughbeit
>>128824337Brucker sucks, you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. A gentile masquerading under jewish neuroticism
>>128824380He was Catholic doe
>>128824380you must be crazy if you think anyone will take the opinions of someone who posts pepe in 2025 and says things like "jewish neuroticism" seriously lmao
>frogs>doe>thoughbeit>tranny>sisteris anyone here over the age of idk 25?
>>128824591>no>>128824595>rebuttalPepe is a classica no matter how much reddit and normies ruined him, he will always be 4chan first
>>128824620shut up you talk like an actual zoomer
>>128824606I'm turning 31 by the end of the month :(No I've never posted a frog in my life. Okay, maybe that sleeping one because it's so damn hilarious to me
>>128824666>no zoomer slang in the sentence I said.No. Rebuttal.I bet you came here in 2018, so keep tour mouth shut faggot
>>128824595the criticism of Bruckner is retarded but jewa being neurotic is not exactly a controversial observation and you shouldnt let what retards do or do not believe stop you from accurately perceiving reality
now playing, more contemporary classicalstart of Michael Daugherty: Fire and Bloodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hydHyHLnK8U&list=OLAK5uy_m4fFVOcRXKIAbEjISLEbRuiCU8NVndU3Q&index=2start of Michael Daugherty: MotorCity Triptychhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvDx1NAbEbc&list=OLAK5uy_m4fFVOcRXKIAbEjISLEbRuiCU8NVndU3Q&index=5Michael Daugherty: Raise the Roofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kaiZL8Z_Ac&list=OLAK5uy_m4fFVOcRXKIAbEjISLEbRuiCU8NVndU3Q&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m4fFVOcRXKIAbEjISLEbRuiCU8NVndU3Q>The three works here dig deep into Detroit's cultural soil. Fire and Blood (2003) is a violin concerto inspired by Diego Rivera's incomparable Detroit Industry murals at the Detroit Institute of Arts. MotorCity Triptych (2000) proposes a travelogue with movements that channel Motown concerts at the Roostertail nightclub in 1966, a high-speed drive along Michigan Avenue and an homage to civil rights hero Rosa Parks. Raise the Roof (2003), a de facto timpani concerto, was commissioned for the opening of the Max M. Fisher Music Center.
>>128825320"MotorCity Triptych" is a sickass name for a piece
>>128825320Hate to admit it but his capeshit symphony was alright.
>>128825526I added that one too, looking forward to it :)
philip glass' etudes just clicked
I hate all piano music aside from Bach, Scarlatti, Debussy, Scriabin, Ravel, Ragtime, and some JazzChange my mind about classical/romantic piano
>>128825731https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPC9CNsafUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHXxWfSAxikhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG_ftHbEGpshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0x-8ZZ9_hE
>>128824271Dogma should be defensibleRitual should be repeatableLiturgy should be legibleBelief should be beautifulWhat fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS
The fog is just too intoxicating.
>>128826493For me, it's the Liszt mist
>>128826581With Liszt it's white heat, with Brahms it's fog. Learn your terminology.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNN5KwH_yn4
>>128824271Then why is yours is so unbelievable?
No composers are more underrated than opera composers. How many people still listen to Gluck, Cherubini, Mehul, Boieldieu, Auber, Weber, Marschner, Donizetti, Halevy, Lortzing, Bellini, Gounod, etc?
>>128826805>underratedThanks reddit.>BelliniULTRA BASED. Norma is a masterpiece. That said, opera sucks and is for the low IQ. End of.
>>128825731https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHp7KPkG15shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJ8atkdIIkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y67VNE3GQbEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy1M5YSpXNA>ScarlattiMost of his works are Classical.>ScriabinMost of his works are Romantic.
>>128825731If Chopin doesn't change your mind, nothing will, probably.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44JnN-tJgYPiano music and "Chopin" are equivalent.
I hecking love playing Claire the Troon by Da Bussy on my epic pianigger(came on /mu/ just to post this)
>>128824337>Bruckner>greatestBruckner fucking sucks. And I absolutely love Bruckner.You can't be this retarded lmao. At least say Mahler, he certainly deserves the GOAT of all time title, whereas Bruckner certainly does not. Y
Wagner wrote more than anyone else, therefore he must have been the greatest.
>>128824243Smartest Composers:SchönbergWebernBartókLigetiStockhausen (inb4 avant meme/teen)PendereckiFerneyhoughLachenmannMurailGriseyBy the time 20th century rolls around, most composers are highly educated, and highly intelligent. I would value innovation and creativity as signs of intelligence in a composer.The problem become that the composers get so smart, they're no longer writing nice music, but representing stock movement and buy/sell exchanges in music.
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>>128827418Nonsense. None of these are nearly as revolutionary and intelligent as Schubert and pretty much any romantic composer along with Beethoven and Haydn. Friendly reminder that picrel applies to art just as well as it does to science, math and tech.
the wages of jannies should be halved.
>>128827575your edition had better be good then.
Boulezhttps://youtu.be/-ZpNlxoXpQg?si=7dkpi6tFJqxQRBvs
>>128827610what the fuck was his problem?
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>>128827629early thread.
>>128827619He was simply too based
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