I have a theory that one of the biggest reasons music is pretty much dead now is because of hipsters and their obsession with being music snobs/“elitists”. They kind of dominated pop culture for awhile and taste in music was the main thing that defined them. As a 42yo boomer I’ve unfortunately known many hipster types and their obsession with music taste and using music taste as a fashion accessory definitely spilled over to a lot of the general public. People generally used to be much more open minded to music but after the hipster fad every artist was to be severely judged by “how will my taste in this be viewed by others?” This led to the dime a dozen dog shit homogenized indie and stomp clap hey bands.Then there’s the musician side of things. I think a big reason nobody is making groundbreaking music anymore is because of all the harsh criticism out there ever since the hipster era. Who wants to spend countless hours honing a great album nowadays just to have some spoiled rotten trust fund idiot hipster at pitchfork shit all over it because it doesn’t fit whatever the current popular aesthetic is? For awhile it was indie rock, then “stomp clap hey”, then hip-hop, etc. I don’t blame them.Idk it’s just something I think about so wanted see if anyone else feels the same way. It’s funny to me that they wanted everyone to think their taste in music is so refined but all they do is listen to whatever slop pitchfork etc. dishes out to them. But it also pisses me off that they’ve had such a negative influence on the music industry as a whole and there’s still a bunch of music reviewer hipster types out there who think they should be the arbiters of music taste and what gets popular.
>>128847062It definitely emasculated what little manliness remained in Rock music by 2010. Sőyboy wasn't a meme for nothing.
>>128847062>I think a big reason nobody is making groundbreaking music anymore is because of all the harsh criticism out there ever since the hipster era.I think this is less the fault of hispters amd more the fault of the internet, but I do agree it's a big factor. People are so god damn close minded and negative these days.
>>128847062Hipsters have never dominated pop culture. They're a reaction to pop culture.And music criticism has never mattered less than it does at this very moment. Critics are way more lenient today than they were in the 20th century (when, coincidentally, music was much better). Hell, their stock is so low that good scores/reviews are now regularly met with accusations of industry planting/astroturfing.
>>128847115indie landfill was pop coded pop structured it was literal pop but with colored smoke. reaction my ass.
>>128847123so was most rock music
>>128847090>People are so god damn close minded and negative these daysWhat people are those?
>>128847062No but they ruined it easily for around a decade.I genuinely hate most +2010s music its almost all shite due to its emphasis on "obscurity" as if it was the most important factor. What a pretentious and retarded decade.
>>128847123Our ideas of "indie landfill" probably differ by quite a lot. I subscribe to the original UK definition, and reject the big-tent stock phrase that is thrown at anything even remotely accessible.
>>128847115>Hipsters have never dominated pop culture.you are insulting the intelligence of everyone that was alive 15 years ago.
>>128847164Holy shit, I remember yourscenesucks. It's still alive:http://www.dobi.nu/yourscenesucks/
>>128847171things when down hill when the williamsburg and fixed gear Hipster entered the scene. Emos should have never transitioned to Hipsters. Imagine giving out your Edge for Pretentiousness.
>>128847177>America lost.>Basic human decency lost.>Democrats don't even fly the American flag they prefer to fly the flags of literal Anti-American Terrorist Organizations that yell "DEATH TO AMERICA ALLAH RHU AKBAR"Really makes you think...
>>128847164The world outside of your mother's basement sounded like "Tik Tok" and Taio Cruz, not Merriweather Post Pavilion.
>>128847161DEIslop is dead incidentally, in fact the trend is moving more towards corny-ass neo-50s mom music.
>>128847197No. It sounded like Fleet Foxes which was modern hippie hipster dogshite.
Music is dead because its free and streaming made it more of a passive thing so most people dont have to engage with it at all, just set it and forget it and barely pay attention. Of the only people that care, most of them are termanially online where being negative and hot taking is the standard. I mean, look at the website youre browsing mang, if something new comes out that someone wants to share and engage with the first post is "buy an ad faggot" and 100 posts of "you are posting in a shill thread"No one cares about pitchfork or hipsters and kids dont care what anyone that uses them as touchstones think. Reviews are dead. Critics are dead. No one under the age of probably 25 will ever seriously think about any critics opinion ever again unless its a youtuber, and even then a 5 second tik tok will do more than they ever could. The arbitor of taste is the algorithm, carefully honed by it tracking you and what some may pay. Because its easier and they dont actually care enough to engage. If you heard something on the radio you might wonder if the album was good so you read a critic to see if its worth 15 bucks. Now you stream it in a second for free, so whats the point of a critic telling you its good. With no one telling you it sucks and them barely paying attention anyway you can let it slide and churn out slop and be fine, because as long as you get the hit and enough people click through to the rest othe algorithm serves it to more, which in turn serves it to more, and you can coast. And since the music buisness is dying and no one buys anything it incentivizes short cuts and marketing more than "I gotta get good and get out there and grind" unless their grind is just social media and trying to find a way to get it served.
>>128847211Within three blocks of Brooklyn, maybe. This is like claiming that Swinging London covered the entirety of the UK.
>>128847183Honestly, emos were insufferable to be around. It makes sense they grew up to become hipsters.
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>>128847062My 2 cents is that music (and cultural currents) are all based on cognitive dissonance. Lonely people have shit music (you can also use the same logic for books, although as of now you don't it that common in reality) as the glue of small, marginalized groups.Hipster music is trash, hip hop is trash, etc. but people are like "the music is trash, but I'm part of this group whose whole gist is liking that kind of music", so their brain is like "then it must mean the music isn't actually bad, it's actually the best thing you heard".So every 20 years or something there are new cognitive dissonances that teenagers group up in, in order to distinguish themselves from the older generation. And till they die they'll think their generation's music is the greatest thing ever. Hence, their specific kind of elitism.And it's happening even now. There will be a kid who will grow up claiming that 2hollis was the greatest thing that happened to music and that alternative phonk and whatnot ruined music forever.The normies seem to be the only ones who don't get influenced by this group mentality, since they just like good melodies, which happen even in awful genres, hence their popularization and subsequent commodification (i.e. industry plants spawning in the new niche genre because of capitalists wanting to capitalize on the next big thing).
>>128847249Of course all the hipsters are ex-emos. We used to kick their asses back in the day.
>>128847223>Of the only people that care, most of them are termanially online where being negative and hot taking is the standard.This is true, I just have rage and angst within lmfao
>>128847264>Of course all the hipsters are ex-emos. We used to kick their asses back in the day.will you redneck Bizkit and Creed fans fuck off already?
>>128847062>I think a big reason nobody is making groundbreaking music anymore is because of all the harsh criticism out there ever since the hipster era.Anyone who doesn't make good music because "waaaaah critics!" shouldn't be making music to begin with.Why do you care so much what hipsters / gatekeepers / critics think? seriously who gives a fuck?
>>128847279>seriously who gives a fuck?everyone does, to a degree. even you
>>128847279The only "critic" I listen to is not even a hipster, he is an incredibly talented instrumentalist. I cannot take talentless hipster Cucks like Fantano seriously. Even if he was /ourguy/Praise Rick, he has a horse cock
>>128847303Fantano could never do this, even less so by ear:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb4uUxDLAf4idc if he was from /mu/ originally, Fantano betrayed us, never got good at playing and i dont care about him.
>>128847223I think there would still be way more interest in music if really great music was still being made. The 60s through the early 2000s or so had a lot of amazing albums people could get excited about but we haven't had anything like that in decades. I know what you're saying is a huge part of it too but I think it's both and they feed into each other. People are churning out garbage just copying other styles hoping to make it big instead of putting the effort into making something truly great, this leads to less interest in music overall and less engagement, and the cycle continues.>>128847249Can confirm.
>>128847062>society literally collapsing in america and monoculture reigns>poor artists can't live cheaply so only rich artists can afford to concentrate on art>music industry, with streaming, can thrive with pretty much no new music and focus on repackaging old music in new form>music industry only focuses on 10-20 new artists.>music criticism does not exist anymore because everything is good for different reasons>music suffersbut yeah, its probably the hipstershipster is a basically a meaningless term, but anyway you cut it the hipsters lost man
>>128847062pretty good tard bait, that which has to come from a tard baiting himself
>>128847330RETVRN to Bach, Debussy, Paganini and Jazz. That will make music great again. If the base is fucking amazing then the product will be fucking amazing.I want every Chud to buy a 88 key piano and a guitar i dont care how cheap just something you can connect to your computer / headphones and make melody with:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeFaCyf1K7w
>>128847249We're doing God's work: filtering the normies.
>>128847062>>128847155>>128847164>>128847171>>128847183>>128847223>>128847255>>128847262>>128847264This reminds me of all the dumb shit this bitch said in an interview:https://inews.co.uk/culture/music/maggie-rogers-interview-new-album-surrender-write-own-songs-1766450>A lot of that also has to do with the real progress that’s been made with sexism and feminism in the last six years.” Rogers recently said that before the pandemic, she was so afraid of being sexualised, she “really squashed my sense of sexuality in order to protect myself”.>“My career started in a pre-Me Too era where indie pop wasn’t a genre that existed,” she says today.Bitch, shut the fuck up. Indiefucks were ubiquitous in the late 2000s and 2010s as documented by the great site Your Scene Sucks previously mentioned ITT. Movies like Juno, Away We Go, Amélie, (500) Days of Summer and virtually any MPDG slop starring Zooey Deschanel captured that zeitgeist along with the growing popularity of Vice, BrooklynVegan and so many other not-so-niche publications/websites. Just look at any commercial from that era, especially Apple. Just from my own memory:https://youtu.be/GrLR7l4qgfQhttps://youtu.be/NNUwO4GPFqghttps://youtu.be/9acrKK7mfmMhttps://youtu.be/EFp3YMMqoIohttps://youtu.be/sijSh4tMPVgThere were countless other shitty ads featuring hipsters gyrating around hocking whatever new-fangled gadget was on the market. You weren't a progenitor. You were its progeny.Also>muh MeTooFuck off. There were so many female performers of that time period, her suggestion that she invented the genre is an insult to Amanda Palmer, PJ Harvey, Joanna Newsom, Regina Spektor, Feist and so many others in that scene who came well before her.
>>128847365>Maggie RodgersWho?
>magfag stalingraded in wpop so he's trying to force himself into literally anything now
>>128847387he is dissing maggie tho anyway whatever its an irrelevant side topic just ignore his ass.
>>128847171My highschool friend group (I was the prehistoric emo).
>>128847365The mainstream was hipster-curious, but that's as far as I'll go. And a lot of what has been labeled "hipster" was just your usual Young Urban Professional crap, which of course was viewed with more suspicion than usual during the Dubya Dark Ages.
>>128847062>People generally used to be much more open minded to music but after the hipster fad every artist was to be severely judged by “how will my taste in this be viewed by others?” This led to the dime a dozen dog shit homogenized indie and stomp clap hey bands.Oh, I guess you're a millennial. You have a hilarious perspective- it's kinda like the boomer perspective where they lionize '68 and the fucking stones because there were a lot of them all thinking the same thing at the same time. They made this narrative about rock music that we still choke on today.But millennials didn't get shit. You got stomp clap hey lmao. And then streaming unleashed the great floodgates of landfill music, which is now being followed by AI attempting to destroy the profession for good. That's it, it's just bad timing surrounding big structural changes. Before the millennial era, there were plenty of trends peaking then dying, being curbstomped by critics both professional and amateur. Hipsters didn't do shit to shit. As you seem to be hilariously millennially overlooking, the phenomenon of so called hipsters all listening to stomp clap at once is a really astounding contradiction in terms because stomp clap wasn't hip. at all.
>>128847387>>128847393>>128847408Point being: it's too rich to ignore because it's a painfully obvious lie especially for those around to see it unfold in real time. Hipsters were everywhere at the close of the 2000s and into the 2010s. If you were in NYC or LAX, you were already inundated with them before the rest of America was. I loathed hipsters then. I loathe them now.
>>128847412>They made this narrative about rock music that we still choke on today.When people were actually listening to Engelbert Humperdinck, James Last and "A Walk in the Black Forest".
>>128847412Found the hipster
>>128847405>(I was the prehistoric emo).The only sane person in the group Thats the best version of Emo btw
>>128847441Are there any meaningful distinctions to be made between late-2000s hipsters and the urban bohemians that came before them?
>>128847441Good. Because Hipsters are in fact: Reddit. The Sóyboy = A hipster but of a slightly different strain
>>128847474If you're posting on /mu/ you have hipster DNA, therefore you are Reddit as well.
>>128847490No.
>>128847471Not really.Remember the microfuror over the song "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World Ruined a Whole Generation of Women"? At most, the film reflected an already existing subculture rather than forging a new one. It's difficult to point where it suddenly took off (many blame SuicideGirls, but no one knows for sure), but this fashion aesthetic was perpetual by the late 2000s. The wave of blue-haired, taint-pierced alternachicks has its roots in Punk/Goth fashion from decades earlier which then spread to the Internet. Every westernized person of decent means knows others who are alternative. The chic has been a thing since the late '70s and early '80s. You could even argue alternative lifestyles goes back to the late '50s and early '60s with Bohemians, Greasers, Beatniks and Flower Children / the Hippie movement, but Punk and Goth gave it legs and a distinct identity that has persisted into the 21st century. The aesthetics and subcultures change every few years within a decade, but the identity and lifestyle choices stay intact.Hell, perhaps the earliest known alternative lifestyle was the flapper girl of the '20s where loose women would party with rich men of questionable character, commonly gangsters and those who ran speakeasies. The expression of such free living and libertinism included drinking, smoking, casual sex, listening to Jazz, wearing revealing yet fashionable clothes and taking opium.tl;dr: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>128847447i'm even worse, a gen x professional musician. i could make you a respectable track in the next half an hour from a random pitchfork fake genre prompt from the 10s, don't even have to use suno
>>128847474Anon = a redditor but of a slightly different strain.
>>128847450>Thats the best version of Emo btw
>>128847524nigga did you just break out the chatgpt on my ass
>>128847062Fantastic bait. Identifying the situation and then completely flipping the conclusion. We're in such a sordid state because of the REACTION to hipsters and gatekeeping, ie poptimism where no critique is allowed.
>>128847588Nope. I made this observation upon seeing threads about it years back and decided to repaste it for this thread. It applies as much now as it did then. Sorry to disappoint you, but yes, I am a human being with an IQ >100.
>>128847062>did this fad killed music???no dumbass, that's never the casetimes change, things evolve, maybe for the good maybe for the bad maybe it is just a changesome things pass some new things come some things stay some things changethat's literally it
>>128847627>We're in such a sordid state because of the REACTION to hipsters and gatekeepingAbsolutely retarded take
>>128847791>that picWhat's the message here? Is it about how sometimes the Japanese name gets canonized among fans while other tines it's the English name getting canonized, and the lack of consistency in all of this?
>>128847791ok, things evolved for the worst in the hipster era
>>128847627Absolutely retarded. We say here on /mu/ nonstop to return to the instruments and learn classical and jazz pentatonics because they do make a difference.
>>128847855it's just stupid whining i think
>>128847627hipsters were not creative or talented, they were just uniroically Yoko Ono. Retvrn to instrumental mastery and virtuosity
>>128847886no one wants jazz, foh
>>128847906They want the scales and theory not the actual Jazz. I said study Jazz not become Jazz.
>>128847918it's dangerous. one day you'll be looking up b7add13 or something; next thing you know you're calling yourself a "composer"
>>128847441I recently met some people around 30yo in my small city who were trying their hardest to be hipsters. Covered in tattoos, green plastic shades, going to dive bars, going on about their obscure taste in music etc. It was honestly pretty pathetic.>>128847529Post some of your music.
>>128848085Those petty burnouts were always insufferable.
Hipsters are losers.
White betas created indie to gain some kind of foothold against alphas. Obviously because of that, indie was the safe space genre for /mu/ which was populated by betas and still is. A big part of indie though was exploiting leftist ideology as a way of creating the illusion of superiority to impress beta women. However the logical conclusion of their own ideology was that indie was too white and needed to step out of the way so blacks could smear their hip hop diarrhea, and then for womyn artists to make their asinine "hot girl pop". Because /mu/ is anonymous, we don't have to parrot that bullshit because there is no lasting social currency here. So without indie there's nothing left for us. That's where all the recent schizophrenia about kurt cobain comes from. The kurt cobain archetype doesnt work on women anymore.
>>128849639Sadly, that sorta spiel would've gotten you to be told to go back to /new/ or /b/
>>128848085>Post some of your music. why nothttps://voca.ro/18GOtvALNBpc
TOTAL HIPSTER DEATH
>>128849954>metal with acousticyou dont suck but i aint into this
>>128849954can you pull this off on acoustic?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX_1SewDZsY
>>128847062No it's pretty much music industry inability to pivot away from their old model. Also acts don't really get time to develop anymore. Nowadays you're pretty much expected to be a ready made meal with a big fan base when you're signed. Case in point SoundCloud era died because the acts didn't have staying power.
>>128847062>stomp clap hey bandsA corporate response to the indie and folk pop waves, not something the hipsters were listening to.
>>128847412>That's it, it's just bad timing surrounding big structural changes.Good post. OP (and most people ITT) fundamentally doesn't understand cause & effect.
>>128849954You smoking crack or something?
>hipster taste in music>make it sound like generic indie band number 6,823 or make it so out there and wacky it's unlistenable... otherwise it's crap
>>128850209everything but not great with pinch harmonics. leads and rhythm seem easy. not gonna do it tho
>>128850469why thank you for that assessment
>>128850424>OP (and most people ITT) fundamentally doesn't understand cause & effect.Most people IRL don't understand causation, and the historiography of music has always been near total horseshit. Genre formation, for instance, is almost never like the common narrative simplifies it to be. In some rare cases like bluegrass being literally named after a band, you can pin it down, but in other cases such as black metal you're going to get almost every artist in the 2nd wave slapping each other's dicks out of each other's mouths arguing about venom vs celtic frost vs bathory or whatever the fuck else. By the time that little blowbang reaches the mainstream youtube reviewer crowd, it's as useless as you can possibly get.
To step out of my role of being the threadly arch-hipster for a moment:Any time you analyze art within our culture, it helps to step back and think about the evolving tools being used. It's rather similar to the greater subset of technology. So like the invention of the pianoforte, the wax cylinder recorder, the synthesizer, the radio, these things drive the actual music being created by them much more than any succession of "great artists" who are utilizing them. For the 2010s, that's the internet, streaming, peer 2 peer sharing, the mp3, the DAW, the crumbling of legacy media. What it's meant for music is the absolute dominance of the bedroom auteur, the end of any kind of mainstream, the evolution of music discovery from being centralized into publications and top 40s into playlisting, blogging, and individual critics. Pitchfork lost relevance not because of the culture changing but because it has infinite competitors. Am I going to listen to pitchfork in a review about some project in a microgenre, or am I going to go to whichever flawed "experts" exist in that microgenre? Better yet maybe I'll just cut through the nonsense by looking at a flowchart and "do my own research".So to address the OP, you can't even discuss "people" as some sort of aggregate anymore. Your historical perspective is in fact its own microgenre. You're filtering yourself.
>>128850928Ok but why is there no good music being made anymore then? I hate these ridiculous pretentious replies that don't even address the issue. You sound like an ai dude.
>>128852008There's plenty of good music being made all the time. The new Naked Whipper album was amazing. You just need to re-learn how to find it.
>>128852008>You sound like an ai dude.The AIs sound like me desu
>>128852139>dime a dozen death metal trashThanks for proving my point
>>128852179Well the AIs just scrape reddit and you obviously spend a lot of time on there so probably.
>>128850928>>128850444I bet we regard a lot of these albums as classics, yet back in 81 probably a lot of people hated them and thought music peaked 10, 15, or 20 years earlier.
>>128852749>80s>classicsI don't think so Tim
>Did hipsters ruin musicFirst, define hipster
>>128856457https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAO4EVMlpwM
