>ACKTUALLY goth was ALWAYS political because Siouxsie Sioux from Siouxsie and the Banshees went to GAY bars!!!This man has been absolutely mindbroken by the last few years, lmao.
>>128873389Lol i guess siouxsie wearing swastika armbands and complaining about PC culture doesn't matter
>>128873389He’s trying so hard to be woke and ditch his chud past but everyone can see through the facade
this dude has nothing to live for
>>128873389And to think he was /ourguy/SAD!Rick Beato > Anthony Fantano
>>128873402>everyone can see through the facadeCan they though?
>>128873484Of course not.
Also, Siouxsie was never goth. She hated that label.
>>128873389hes rightpunk as a genre has punk ethos in the music which is anti-capitalist anti-establishment and anarchistso does post-punk (goth) and hardcore punkthough eventually for some reason hardcore lost its punk ethos and so did post-hardcore (emo/skramz) now its all just metalcore stuff and turnstilethis isnt true for metal since its not punk and has no punk ethos, thus metal isnt political.
>>128873389UK Goth was inextricably tied to the political conditions of the time
>>128873389being performative woke in 2025 is such an unc thing to do
>>128873531tho ironically punk historically housed some of the most racist people, as a movement it gave birth to oi!/rac aka ROCK AGAINST COMMUNISM while is basically nazi rock music, bands like skrewdriver is an examplepunk is a funny genre because its a form of rebellion, but in a meta way some ofthem rebelled against punk itself and became nazis, while others rebelled against the idea of showering (crust punk)my favorite is the punks rebelling againstmusic itself and thus spawning grindcore and noisecore which was dubbed anti-musicgrindcore, noise/power electronics/harsh noise wall are pretty based genresi fuck with last days of humanity myself
>>128873531>which is anti-capitalist anti-establishment and anarchistuhm sweatie... this is exclusionary and NOT what punk is about...
>>128873531Punk wasn't anticapitalist. Even DIYers were happy making money on their own and all nearly set up their own labels.And anarchists are libertarian in nature. Not left wing. There's no such thing as group think and community with anarchy. It's an oxymoron. Danzig was a DIY guy pressing his own wax, very protective of his IP, and a libertarian...to the point where he thinks he's some LaVey rype Satanist these days (who were also libertarian in nature). Tamer ones like Johnny Ramone were outright Republican.Siouxsie was friendly with fags, but at the same time, would shit on Robert Smith for being a "lightweight" and who couldn't keep up with her and quit her band. She had no time for his sensitive pussy shit that made him flake out so much.
>>128873531>anti-establishmentSure and there's anarchy in that one Sex Pistols song but in the rest of foundational Punk I struggle to find anything properly political just kids being edgy.
>>128873603>And anarchists are libertarian in naturelibertarian-authoritarian scale isnt the same as the left-right economic scalethere are left wing libertarians like anarcho communists and anarcho syndicalistslavey was a liberal btw>Siouxsie was friendly with fags, but at the same time, would shit on Robert Smith for being a "lightweight" and who couldn't keep up with her and quit her band. She had no time for his sensitive pussy shit that made him flake out so much.good thing siouxsie doesnt define all of gothbauhaus created the genre
He’s reddit in human form
>>128873531>metal isnt politicalCorrect. It's metapolitical.Metal allows for racists because, unlike Punk, it is a music genre first and subculture second. Anyone from any creed, provided they have the skills to riff, can compose, record and release compelling Metal. All that is demanded is the music be Metal, and this distinction between Punk and Metal allows for much more diversity in thought within the latter.As to Metal's political identity, the genres innovators should be seen as a frame of reference. Once you study all the bands and their respective ideas from Kreator or Sacred Reich to Burzum or Graveland, you'll come to realize that Metal is metapolitical, realist and probably beyond left and right in the typical sense as it is beyond good and evil. Metal is truly a Nietzschean genre. No matter what their individual beliefs may be, Metalheads almost unanimously agree that civilization is in decline and we should adopt a heroic spirit in the face of adversity, by embracing the totality of existence and learning through mythological paradigms.
>>128873653cope, metal as started by black sabbath was merely meant to be horror movie form of music, its meant to be scary and the records that came later like devourment molesting the decapitated and leviathan the tenth sublevel of suicide are prime examples of the dark nature of metal.there have been political bands but they dont define metal
>>128873653Metal removed from blues is gay (all the groups you mentioned)
>>128873682you didn't actually refute anything he said you massive retard
>>128873696hes making shit up, metal is not political.
I feel like the American left is desperately trying to find ways to stay hip all while being oblivious to the fact that the main force driving people to the far-right is how bloody useless and passive the left has become.
>>128873710shut up chud
>>128873706what do you think "metapolitical" means?
>>128873628>good thing siouxsie doesnt define all of gothWell, I said above she doesn't even like being called goth. She's always been a punk. Even her "goth" themes weren't really horror. She was more inspired by Hitchcock.>>128873628>lavey was a liberal btwA libertarian liberal, for better or worse. To me, it's worse, but definitely different than some weenie who can't even hear other opinions and wants to cancel everybody. The modern left is illiberal on the most basic shit. Like a fucking grandma wagging their finger and clunching their pearls about everyone. And everything they cry about is a repeat of corporations are already telling everyone.
>>128873739bleh clutching*
>>128873738that its so political that it transcends basic politicsbut its not, its the other way aroundits just a music genre, lyrical themes can be political if the band chooses it to be.
>>128873769both him and the reddit comment is wrongmetal will never be progressive
>>128873769>that its so political that it transcends basic politicsit just means the latter transcending, the first part doesn't make sense>something is so physical it becomes metaphysical >its just a music genreexpressed and practiced by people.
>>128873402what facade? he is genuinely woke now.
>>128873389I'm one of the 5~7 Hayleyfags. I made this meme.God Bless.
Siouxsie and the banshees are not, and will never be a gothic band despite having goth fans. They are nothing but a post punk band that plays an influential part to Gothic rock. So I feel as if this post is quite contradictory since Siouxsie was never a “goth” and was more of a punk.
>>128875383Sort of like saying Black Sabbath is not and never was meta
>>128875418I get what you’re trying to say. But I disagree when it comes to the question of Goth, the banshees didn’t start making questionable goth music till 1981, with the album “Juju” a lot of other bands predate it like a few songs by bauhaus.
>>128873682>>128873706>>128873769You are painfully ignorant if you think "Children of the Grave", "War Pigs" and "Electric Funeral" weren't political or metapolitical. The claim that Black Sabbath were a goofy horror band collapses under scrutiny because horror isn't one note. It's got a range of themes that, through their gristly tales, speak to morality and mythology.Second, politics is about managing the affairs of others through programs and activism; "metapolitical" is about the myths and moral intuitions that any particular culture breathes. Metal mostly operates in the second register. It's not about how to think. It's about WHY you think the way you do. Despite both Metal and Punk placing premiums on their respective subcultures, Metal still identifies as a genre first and a subculture second. In fact, Metal is as heavily factionalized as Punk is, perhaps even more so as Trad Metal types disdain Extreme Metal and vice versa. Other Metalheads have a much broader palate and consume lots of different Metal bands from the traditional end to the more extreme, avant-garde and/or experimental end. Thus, the only gatekeeping in Metal is over the bands' respective riffs. Are they Metal or not?Leftists trying to rewrite history, especially about Black Metal, will always strike me as painfully dishonest. It wasn't until the rise of Internet-based activism and social media that Leftist Black Metal ever became relevant. Just look at any Black Metal zine from the '90s and early 2000s. All of them are full of Fascist content and were referencing Julius Evola before mainstream right-wingers ever were.
Of course goth rock was politically vacuous, superficial and adolescent. Because it was created by middle class urbanites of the imperial core. It's more of a wonder why anyone thinks that makes it admirable.
someone post the copypasta please
>>128875596>It's more of a wonder why anyone thinks that makes it admirable.Fantano is a washed up millenial that balded early, couldnt get married and doesnt have kids and now he will just die alone. It's over. Thats why.Try not to end up like him, who gives a fuck that he makes a profit with his channel, its for nothing, he will die alone. Shit sucks.
>>128873401yeah they just actively ignore stuff like that to pretend every punk goth alt band was always espousing the beliefs of insane trannies on tiktok because they made a song about how the government bad
>>128875443Who would you consider to be the first proper goth group? With some genres it’s super hard because similar scenes pop up at the same time but in entirely different places. Take hardcore punk for example, Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, and Black Flag were all formed within a year or two of each other entirely independently but end up with a similar enough sound people lump them into the same genre.
>>128873389Siouxsie wore swatsikas too
>>128873389>(thing i like) was always (thing i believe)There you go solved internet discourse for you.
>>128873738That it's metal and political at the same time, obvs.
