>Turns hardcore punk from something that's masculine, raw, and powerful to something that's feminine, whiny, and for faggots."Heh, nothing personal kid"
>>128967906Reminder that Revolution Summer was started specifically to get rid of masculinity in the D.C. Hardcore scene:https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/revolution-summer/>Revolution Summer refers to a movement to revitalize the Washington DC Hardcore Punk scene which by the mid-80s had become a hotbed of violence. The community had devolved into hyper machismo attitudes with racist skinheads often disrupting concerts to spark public fights. This shift had alienated many newcomers, especially women, leading to Amy Pickering calling for the need of a “Revolution Summer” in 1985 to course correct the scene culture. Pickering was employed at Ian MacKaye’s Dischord Records which would play a pivotal role in the organization of Revolution Summer, housing many of the bands that would come to spearhead the movement such as Rites of Spring and MacKaye’s newly formed Embrace.>Musically the bands of Revolution Summer placed an increased focus on melodicism and rhythmic complexity. Tempo varied more often, with bands incorporating slower passages in addition to the standard fiery hardcore affair. Bands would also toy with new generic ideas, such as Beefeater’s incorporation of Funk elements. These musical developments would pave the way for the early development of Post-Hardcore. Lyricism would also see major progression with the focus shifting to more introspective and emotional subject matter. The newly placed emotionality, particularly that of Rites of Spring frontman Guy Picciotto, would result in many bands being derisively referred to as ‘emotional hardcore’ or 'Emocore,’ a name adamantly rejected by the performers. Macho posturing was actively criticized by Revolution Summer bands and many would discourage audience members from engaging in slam dancing.
>>128967906it was proto "woke"social liberalism
>>128967906was it not literally the EXACT SAME PEOPLE responsible for popularizing hardcore punk as a genre who were responsible for or involved with this label, the scene around it, and its ethos? when exactly was hardcore not "whiny" and "for faggots" by this standard? before henry rollins joined black flag?
>>128968611Yes, Henry Rollins was the start of the end. Everyone knew it at the time, you have old punks to this day that still say the band went to shit when Rollins joined.
>>128967906DC scene was an aberration.NYC scene kept the true spirit of hardcore alive.
>>128968873Only posers say that
>>128967995>trying to stop skinheads>leads to post-hardcore (actually good genre)lol thats a bad thing?
>>128969397But the NYC scene just invented metalcore which is also gay
>>128969554Post-hardcore was already a thing that was happening before Revolution Summer.First post-hardcore band were Minutemen, Husker Du, and The Replacements.Even Black Flag because post-Damaged they started to experiment more with their sound.
>>128969715The DC Hardcore scene/Revolution Summer definitely invented first-wave emo though.
>>128969715I'll admit that I am a tourist so far so I just assumed that was true, forgive the retardation saarI'm more into and know more 77-79 UK punk
>>128967906>Punk>MasculinePick one
>>128970063>google what is hardcore punk?>google what is UK punk?>google is 2000s pop-punk the same as 80s hardcoreretard
>>128967995This can be seen in this highly recommended documentary:
>>128967995It was a glowie psyop. Calling it.
>>128969715I like emo and post-hardcore but to pretend there wasn't subversion happening behind the "scene" with puppeteers is just crazy talk.
>>128969729no it did not. The emocore blueprint is on multiple Husker Du songs. Listen to Metal Circus. Rites of Spring copied them. Btw Wipers mog all of these bands
>>128972007>Btw Wipers mog all of these bandsYOUTH OF AMERICAYOUTH OF AMERICAYOUTH YOUTH YOUTH YOUTHgood shit
>>128972007Husker Du was too happy sounding to be the first Emocore band.
>>128973172doesn't matter. songs on metal circus and zen arcade are in fact emocore, and rites of spring took it from them.
>>128969691metalcore was great before melodic metalcore tainted the genre
Hardcore punk was already gay by that point, UK82 completely mogged what was going on in the US
>>128973346Thankfully it seems like a new generation of bands are trying to get away from that type of metalcore.Also, Deadguy is back so that's cool.
You know, it's weird.Ian MacKaye in the D.C. scene invented the whole Straight Edge movement, and while it was big in the DC hardcore scene for awhile, I think it got more popular in the NYC hardcore scene, and that bleed into metalcore. Like there's still metalcore bands to this day that are proudly straight edge. But so many emo bands today have songs about drinking to numb yourself.Just an observation.
>>128973465Deadguy being back is awesome
>>128967995> Macho posturing was actively criticized by Revolution Summer bands and many would discourage audience members from engaging in slam dancing.A few times I saw Fugazi, they constantly did this shit, and even stopped shows because of it. Then, I saw them in London and they tried to pull the same shit. The audience just jeered them, and those faggots just gave up and continued the show.
>>128967906Didn't read thread but I read "Dance Of Days" long time agoEgg Hunt Revolution Summer was, as I recall, particularly coming of age cringe ESP when the Iron Cross Skins crowd got "too violent" it's exactly what happened in 80's socal, Jack from TSOL was thuggin out stringing up guys by their feet in his parent's garage then like a flick of the switch, TSOL are writing songs like Soft Focus, but hey they had Thoughts Of Yesterday hinting at that mellow goth, so it was bound to happentldr: Rock'n'Roll objective is to pussy draw the gate, c'mon 101
Dropping your mic to sing on the floor that never was or will be hardcore put on a show for little petty page phony tears instead of rage pretend you're sensitive so you get laid you're a wolf in thrift clothing, they're your prey spock can't get women any other way
>>128967906>hardcore punk>masculine
>>128967906You have to make it gay and liberal if you want to sell your product to a larger audience. Angry masculine punk music scares people and becomes hated
>>128980387refer to>>128970189
>>128973409Yes, this is true. We eventually got crust and grindcore from that scene too.
>>128980387Is that the original biggie smalls? The white kid?
Don't make me tap the sign again...>"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE
What would a bunch of dweebs who spend the majority of their time looking at a computer screen and jacking off to asian bitches know about masculinity?
>>128978860Are you drunk or high? What you typed out is almost coherent, but not quite there. Try again, please.
>>128973482The birth of the straight edge movement came about when a bunch if kids from DC (Ian, Henry, etc) met a bunch of kids from Boston (Al, Choke, etc) and found a common ground in thinking that taking drugs and drinking alcohol was stupid. The DC kids were mostly pretty chill albout it during this time because it came about organically in the way that all teenagers rebel against their parents (the "adults" in the house being drunk/stoned all the time was common in the 1970s), but this attitude was less common among the kids in Boston, so the handful who were already living clean decided to make a thing out of it. Many stories & rumors about Choke picking fights with people drinking beer at Negative FX and Slapshot shows were greatly exaggerated. Choke even went so far as to perpetuate some of these stories & rumors after hearing them from other people. Then this scene took hold in New York City in its own way.And also, there were people in bands across North America who had already adopted the"No drugs, no booze" lifestyle, but, again, it was the people in the northeast who started making a big deal about it.
>>128987450I think straight edge was a rebellion against the whole “sex, drugs, rock n’roll” stereotype that became big by the mid-late 1970’s.
>>128987450I thought it was Ian MacKaye coming back home from a tour and seeing all of his friends all wasted and addicted.
>>128987160yeah but emo sucks so who cares
>>128967906bump
>>128994544Why though? What was the point of bumping this thread?
>>128969691Depends on the kind
>>128973465Deadguy is the GOAT
>>128984943And goregrind too!
>>128992089>“Emo… Emo Philips?”
>>128967995You faggots can larp about masculinity all you want but back then going out actually meant the possibility of being sent to hospital in an ambulance for wanting to go to a punk show not being edgy behind a keyboard.You are retarded and have no idea how music works. Rites of Spring were as fast as any band, they were melodic because it reflected how they felt. Justification by Dag Nag is as hardcore as any song at that time but the band is made of people who genuinely have greater depth so the song sounds different.They weren't orchestrating a plot to subvert hardcore music, it was a genre made by high school kids who felt socially awkward ffs. They did it because thats the music they wanted to make.
