Kødets opstandelse editionA thread for extreme, abrasive, progressive, or experimental rock-based music.This means metal, hardcore, experimental rock, noise rock, and others.Music that is mainstream, "alternative", novelty-driven, "proggy" but not progressive, or not primarily rock, is discouraged.>Is [genre/band/album] fit for /xxr/?If you have to ask, probably not.Old: >>128882347
Past discussions:>>128882422>help a Ruins fan get into metal>>128882507>anon shares late 70's post-punk heavily wrought with art music influence>>128788157>thread before the last thread, with a lot of conversation about depressive black metal and brutal death metal
Very inspired by Enmity, sounds about as unpleasant. Guitars are slightly more intelligible than on Illuminations of Vile Engorgement. Vocalist sometimes does mid-high register screams in addition to the gibberish gutturals. Has samples before, after, and even in the middle of some tracks. Drums often sound copied and pasted together into short loops, guitar tracks may be too.The original version is 26 minutes, but the one I downloaded has bonus tracks filling the album to 46 minutes. A bit long for this kind of music.
More like this? https://youtu.be/yShiPI-gPeA
>>128992437>with a lot of conversation about depressive black metalAnd yet NOT ENOUGH
>>128995412You probably want Fronteirier or similar. There won't be anything I know that's identical but there are a few "what if we did djent but in a more punkish fashion" I guess.At least that's what your link reminded me of immediately.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEIvJ4EJSX8
>>128990486lol im the one who recd this album in that one thread, glad you enjoyed it. i've been listening to it for the entire last year. is there anything else similar??
>>128996972carbomb is great as wellhttps://carbomb.bandcamp.com/album/centralia
>>128997132I'm pretty sure I remember that genre popping off for a bit, with Frontierer winning fucking awards or something and then other bands doing the same shit all popped up. Not saying they were copying, just I went from 0 awareness to "fucking hell it's everywhere" one year or something.
>>128997183the album i posted is '07. half a decade before frontierers first album. has some snobby ny jazz influence but it's very cool mathcore
>>128997193Yeah I'm sure it existed long before, I just remember a spike in my own personal exposure recently - from nowt to everyone posting it. Could just be my own experience, tho as I'd seen plenty post Converge but it was this chuggier style that seemed to briefly become popular.
also speaking of mathcore, here's some sludgecore from '01https://keelhaul.bandcamp.com/album/keelhaul-iihas great odd time grooves, heavy as fuck and just mmmphhh
This is a bit too fucking psychedelic for me. The fucking 30 minute nothing track in the middle is ridiculous.
>>128997132I was the one asking, and I already listen to carbomb though I think it's different.
GENTLEMENI REQUIRE SLUDGE
>>128997059I barely know avant-prog, so I would just try other Ærkenbrand albums. It's hard to point to one thing that is "similar", when even by the admission of the promo piece (https://i-voidhangerrecords.bandcamp.com/album/hedenfarne-ventyr) it's such a specific amalgam of various strands of music.
>>129001069Sorry m8 too busy blasting crust.
>>128990486Anything like Reclusa?
>>128990486I really enjoyed picreldiscovered it in this post and it was a very unique experiencethey kinda sound like akercocke with no distortion
Someone posted this here I think and I didn't find a download, but now it's time to see how it is I guess.
Can any progtards link some of the most extreme or experimental prog rock that ISN'T metal?
>>129007865>that ISN'T metalDoes that include when it's grind?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rawuEhO6VgcI assume not and you mean "rock" not "heavy but not metal", in which case I'm too much of a mealfag to help.I was going to recommend Celtic Rainforest - Roedden Ni Yma Cyntaf as it's at least weird and kooky, but now I can't fucking find it anywhere. The bandcamp it used to be on got taken down by the looks of it.
>>129007865https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-fUwIBpDQUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyOi5XRu_ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m9wFAwR_Qshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF6BBabEXq8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSWb9mNn9J4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEdXsatni4shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X3-RRCR7qYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W36iAoH_FSs
>>129001069try >>128997212alsohttps://cattlepress.bandcamp.com/album/hordes-to-abolish-the-divinehttps://cursedmonk.bandcamp.com/album/as-withinhttps://were-jaguars.bandcamp.com/album/sea-and-land-remasteredhttps://bullheaduk.bandcamp.com/album/methcrushhttps://soom.bandcamp.com/album/djebarshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lrEQ_bSeCciEmJVyj1fjSulzP7nABtAV8https://indiandoom.bandcamp.com/album/from-all-purityall are different forms of sludge i guess.there's more we could explore without veering too much into the atmo-sludge (ew!) territory
>>129008277Cattle Press is legit
>>129008388you'd like the first link, keelhaul IIjust try the first 2 mins of the first track and you wont stop
been listening to chat pile alot
>>129008591my condolences
God I love Dystopia lads.
>>129007918>Celtic Rainforest - Roedden Ni Yma CyntafIt's on soulseek. I'm downloading it right now
>Friday...I'll keep my metal posts over here for the moment.>>129008591They seem like pseudo-metal coattail riders, but are their recent albums good?
>>128995412Try the genre called Thall
>>129008591yucky yuck yuck ew
>>129008591How is that album with that country western faggot? Been meaning to listen to it
I like the atmosphere this goes for, and I love anything that busts out the sax, but it feels like it does a lot of aimless noodling about that gets a bit boring.>>129010866>but are their recent albums good?NTA but I've only listened to God's Country and it was so poor it's one of the few albums that made me laugh while listening to it.
>>129010866>>129010377This is ragebait
>>129015616By what logic?
>>129015694ugh please listen to better music!
>>129015359What’s her name?
>>129015902Like what?
>>129015914deathspell omega
>>129016666>>>/metal/
>>129015908Sohee
>>129016666checked
>>129015616Still puzzled by the meaning of this post.
>>129022589nta but it looks like it worked
>>129008277checked, some good recs here
>>129022589Seems like it was just "ur taste a shit" but then refusing to elaborate.
Now this is banging.
>>128992437dead threads
>>129027696Well one was a DSBM thread so it's only appropriate.
Good album, but I wish it didn't have so many interlude tracks.>>129025933>30 minutesBeen curious about this band for a while, I'll try this
>>129030372>Been curious about this band for a while, I'll try thisSomeone here posted Urfe which was a very unique but not super engaging release. It's mostly spoken word over atmosphere, the actual music ratio is low.But I was curious what else they did, and I saw a few people say that one was their peak, and I can see why. Even if you end up not liking it, it will probably still be an interesting listen, I'd be surprised if anyone could call it too boring.>I wish it didn't have so many interlude tracks.Why have an interlude track when you can claim the whole album is an interlude AND have 3 interlude tracks? :^)
>>129030424>Why have an interlude track when you can claim the whole album is an interlude AND have 3 interlude tracks? :^)Now it needs an interlude between interludes, so you can bridge movements while you bridge movements.
>>129030617>interlude between interludes, so you can bridge movements while you bridge movements.come to think of it, this is basically post-rock.
>>129032952It becomes post-rock when your song has an interlude in it and that interlude has an interlude in it too.
Wank
>>129038150Corr would fancy one right about now.Or we talking about this kind of wank?
>hardcore band accidentally makes a death-doom demo
When do Chat Pile stop being shit
>>128990486>novelty-drivenOh, so experimental?
>>129042782nu metal was novelty driven
>>129042782Batushka is just generic BM with chanted vocals, I'd say that's a novelty and no one is ever gonna call them experimental unless they're braindead.
>>129042800So is the stuff you like, but for a more minuscule audience of black tar novelty addicts. If you truly hated novelty you would listen to the Carter Family or Mississippi John Hurt
>>129042839>tells me, a random stranger on the internet, what stuff i like and why i should like this other stuff to appease his worldviewit's all words, who cares, if it sounds good it's good
>>129008591so hot
>>129042782It's murky where sincere experimentation (which you could call NOVEL) ends, and where novelTY bait begins. Some music blend genres or use unorthodox instruments fairly well, others sound like musical channel-switching or poorly cobbled together for the sake of fulfilling the gimmick. For instance, I don't like Jute Gyte, but what I've heard I would not call novelty music.>>129042827Been a long time since I listened to Litourgiya. You're right, though I think the chants add to the music instead of taking away from it. Not that it was groundbreaking, just competent. I'll have to listen again and see.
does Rainbow Rock count?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq5HSxk4rBA
>>129046223>Not that it was groundbreaking, just competentThat basically sums them up. I do like them (the real ones anyway, most faketushkas seem meh), and while I think the vocal style is great it's just a shame it's wasted on such bland metal.
what's some xxr that isn't metal/punk?
>>129047881https://panurusproductions.bandcamp.com/album/everything-is-fucked-and-we-are-all-going-to-die
>>129047881Laddio Bolocko - Strange Warmings of Laddio Bolocko
>>129047881Pink floyd first three
>>129049911For overtly experimental rock, really it's just Ummagumma, though Piper and Saucerful have a few stranger, more adventurous tracks, a few of which are on Umma's live half.I wonder to what extent regular prog and psych rock fits on this thread, but I haven't been able to make my mind up. It would take more listening to form an informed opinion.
Still as strange as I remember.
>>129051192>I wonder to what extent regular prog and psych rock fits on this threadYou just have to go with those avant-prog bands
>>128995412tuff af for a faggot
>>129012570is that faggot rock?
>>129051192>I wonder to what extent regular prog and psych rock fits on this thread, but I haven't been able to make my mind up. It would take more listening to form an informed opinion.Just post what you want. The OP can seem a bit restrictive but really all he wants is "interesting stuff that /metal/ dismisses as 'not metal' and/or gay" (as far as I can tell anyway).That and presumably just not obvious stuff like Floyd or whatever. The weirder, the better, IMO.Remember though its also just clarified as "extreme" too, so I've posted stuff that isn't that experimental but is just heavy and shouty. I suspect you can get away with shit like skramz too. It's extreme rock-based music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnpSCqls-80Listen
>>129051990
>>129051975I am OP. The mention of Pink Floyd just had me thinking about the limits of the general. How to balance variety with standards. /xxr/ is in part a refuge from /metal/'s spam, flamewars, and off-topic posting, and a place for other genres that don't get threads often, granted it's (extreme OR experimental) AND rock. >I suspect you can get away with shit like skramz tooYes.
>>129052282>The mention of Pink Floyd just had me thinking about the limits of the general. How to balance variety with standards.It's all a bit moot given we don't have any real moderation anyway. You can recommend, but not enforce, so meh.>granted it's (extreme OR experimental) AND rockThat's basically how I see it yeah. But for me I'm fine people posting obvious shite like Floyd as long as there's something to actually discuss.
Are there any bands similar to Suffocate For Fuck Sake?Not necessarily as in "every song is mostly talking samples" but just musically with the blend of post-rock and hardcore and all that.Envy is the closest I've found but that's about it.
>>129052320Oh yeah, I don't expect any of them to enforce it. But if posters have a rough idea what the thread is about, then there will be less confusion later. It's worked OK so far.
>>129046275this is rock?
>>129055698Yeah I don't mind, I've actually got good recs which is great, just a shame it's slow. Beats being fast but shit, I guess.
A bitter blasting. BDM in the Brodequin/Enmity vein
>>129057480Also reminds me of a recent band named Induced.
I ignore early Nithing too often. Forgot this was a bit skronkier than Agonal Hymns.
>>129059729>skronkierhuh
>>129060099rawer, noisier, more discordant.
Could never get into Brutal DM, me.
>>129060446I might not be able to change that, you may just not want it either, but what have you heard? Brutal death metal bands can sound quite similar to each other as a consequence of being more specific and concentrated than mainline death metal, but there's more variety to the genre than at first glance.
>>129008591started listening to these dudes yesterday, thanks for the rec. anywhere is my favorite track so far. i got shot in the abdomen when i was a kiddo and the lyrics just hit me hard.[spoiler] raygun sexy too x_x [/spoiler]
>>129062877Afterbirth. Obviously they're a bit different so I didn't mind them, but I need more listensBrodequinDead and DrippingBenighted, if you count themMedecophobicCerebral Bore (I did like these)DevourmentDying FetusLykathea Aflame (but I see them more as techdeath, and I really like them)Really I assumed I was fucked when I disliked Brodequin, Medecophobic and Dying Fetus
>>129063065Yeah, Medecophobic is super good. But you don’t have to like what you don’t like. Especially if you’ve listened to that stuff a few times now.That’s how I feel about Immolation. Their drummer is really good, but the riffs. Those riffs. They’re not my kind riffs. But inevitably someone will tell me to listen to an album from Immolation I haven’t heard.Anyway that’s a tangent you probably don’t care about.
>>129063281I know, it's just one of those things where I like a few albums from nearly ever genre, but BDM is one of the few I can't do. Especially as I hate tincan snare.I love early Cryptopsy but I know the "brutal" aspect is pretty minor.Eh I'll take tangents about meal anyday. I like Immortal but I don't love them like plenty of people seem to. I think there are people out there who just can't fucking get enough of generic tremolo riffs and I'm not one of them.Heretically my favourite Immortal album is probably Northern Chaos Gods, after Abbath fucked off, as it's nice and energetic and more memorable to me. Although the album after was ehhhhh.
>>129063332No! early cryptopsy is the brutal-est. they’re one of the last great brutal death metal bands to know how to put together a melodic, well-composed song. and that’s why they’re so brutal, they play with your expectations and the songs flow well.I have pretty much turned my back on most of the ultra-brutal dm. not nearly as cohesive as I thought it was when I was smoking joints every day. so, so many riff salad bands. too many bands going for the emotion-less approach. no mood!
>>129063370Well then sure, Cryptopsy's first two albums are among my favourites of all time, so if that represents the genre then I'm all for those.
>>129047881>what's some xxr that isn't metal/punk?Extreme, experimental and progressive but not metal/punk?Probably zeuhl and the more extreme end of avant-prog (often called brutal prog)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCxodRXo74c
>>129063281>you don’t have to like what you don’t likeAbsolutely. It's silly to try to make someone like the thing you like, yet I get a bit of a compulsion of "how can I translate to someone why I think this shit is cool" and it's not so easy to temper that.I'm writing a post recommending him some albums right now, but not as "here's what will make BDM click for you" rather "you might like these albums in spite of their genre". >That’s how I feel about Immolation.
>>129063484>It's silly to try to make someone like the thing you likeIf it's any consolation I WANT to like it. I want to explore as much of genres I'm not well versed in as I feel willing to.I'm also one of those weirdos who doesn't mind listening to albums I dislike, as long as it's interesting to hear new sounds or try and figure out why I don't like it.I can't fucking stand most traditional doom, but at least I know why or can go "I don't like the songs, but the guitar tone is sick".
>>129047881magma https://youtu.be/ogoL-18TSZA?t=2361
Nothing more extreme than this banger.
Finally I sat down long enough to finish this shit>>129063065I notice some technical stuff in there, so you may like some of this chart I made a while ago out of shit I like.Appalling Spawn is an earlier incarnation of Lykathea Aflame. Their album (and especially demo) are closer to BDM than Elvenefris is, but Freedom, Hope & Fury has a lot of the same major-key riffs and other unorthodox writing to it, though not fully developed yet.Mortal Decay have great demos and other good albums, but Forensic is their most technical and alien. It's roughly like the first two Afterbirth full-lengths, if you've heard those. I brought it up either to you or someone else in a conversation about progressive BDM and had some disagreement (I see how it's not strictly BRUTAL death metal, but it's still very death metal IMO). A concept album about a forensic pathologist going insane. John Paoline is an awesome vocalist and gives grunts, belches, shrieks, and shouts alike. Songs are elaborate, less breakdown-oriented, and a little more melodic, though still twisted.1/2 (what have I done)
>>1290657412/2 (how did this become longer than the first half?)These next two are more like technical death metal with varying BDM influence, but it may be more of interest.Oppressor were on the tail end of the late 80's - early 90's death metal wave, and Solstice of Oppression could have kept the momentum going if it were made a year or two earlier and released on a larger label. It has things in common with Morbid Angel, early BDM, Gorguts on The Erosion of Sanity, Atheist, Human/ITP era Death, even some death/thrash riffs. If the vocals weren't constant low grunts, this would barely resemble brutal death metal, even by 1994 standards.Ulcerate's demo compilation is another album that's more technical than brutal, and you'll hear some of their later dissodeath sound on it, but far less cloudy and atmospheric. It's not amazing, but the BDM influence gives it more weight (for me), and makes me wonder how Ulcerate could have developed the nascent discordant language of Immolation and Gorguts without straying from death metal like they did. (Iniquitous Deeds - Incessant Hallucinations is what a more brutal Ulcerate might have been, but if you're as put off by DDM as BDM, the mixture of the two won't convince you of either.)Nile and Katalepsy I'd have to listen to again and reconsider before recommending, you know Cryptopsy already, and the rest, as much as I love them, probably won't be exceptional to you.
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>>129068701I was gonna say "this thread's always dead in eurohours when I'm around", but really it's just a bit dead lel
>>129065741>>129065753Yknow I've seen that Nithing album enough I really should check it out, so I'll do that.It doesn't HAVE to be technical, that just happens to be what I've enjoyed. Nile I already really enjoy but it does vary from album to album, and I am not genre autistic enough to know when it goes from "techdeath" to "brutal techdeath" or just "BDM" whatever. I always filed them under techdeath.Also interesting you put Whisper Supremacy on there over NSV or BMF.
>>129069132>Yknow I've seen that Nithing album enough I really should check it out, so I'll do that.It's mental, it feels like 30 minutes of music condensed into 23. The tracks are ordered together like a suite so it benefits most from an uninterrupted listen. Occasionally it melts into a mass of noise due to squashed production and dense arrangement (sometimes I dig it, sometimes I wish for clarity), but there's plenty of cool and varied shit I won't spoil tucked in the whirlwind of blasts and gurgles.>Nile I already really enjoy but it does vary from album to albumSame on the variable enjoyment, though I've not gone past Black Seeds of Vengeance. Nile loves to blast, machine-gun out notes on guitar, sweep pick, and such, but some songs don't have much thought put into melody or structure and sound a bit like static. Their music is technical/brutal death metal, but sometimes they feel like a reinvention of the less cool parts of thrash metal when they dump all stat points on tempo.>Also interesting you put Whisper Supremacy on there over NSV or BMF.I was feeling a little contrarian when I made the chart, and may change that if I remake it. WS gets knocked a lot for DiSalvo's hardcore vocals, and being more TDM than BDM according to some. Also I figured every death metaller with ears likes None So Vile already.
>>129069470>The tracks are ordered together like a suite so it benefits most from an uninterrupted listen. Occasionally it melts into a mass of noise due to squashed production and dense arrangementDepends how it's done, but I'm used to walls of noise or dissoshit that never stops noodling about so I should be fine with it.Only Encenathrakh has reached the point where I'm like "this is taking the piss".>though I've not gone past Black Seeds of VengeanceI didn't keep up with them after Sethu. The production fucking sucked ass. For what it's worth I do recommend their 2024 album The Underworld Awaits Us All. It was a bit overrated and overhated depending on who you asked, but IMO it was a very solid release. It's mostly just nice when a "band that is still going" releases something modern that isn't total shit.I am a bit weird as my favourite is Those Whom The Gods Detest which I don't think many roll out as the best, but I also haven't dived into the whole discog yet.>I was feeling a little contrarian when I made the chart, and may change that if I remake itI was actually tempted to say "bit contrarian today eh m8?" but I figured I didn't wanna start some shit for no reason lmao. For what it's worth I really like Whisper Supremacy, especially over any modern 'topsy. Its biggest issue is competing with what came before, but that doesn't stop it being great.I only really like the Tome EPs for modern topsy, and even then as a drumfag all it does is make me cry how boring Flo's gotten since the golden era or even Once Was Not where he was a fucking machine. I'll take WS anyday.
>>129069567>Only Encenathrakh has reached the point where I'm like "this is taking the piss".I admire it as art that sheds everything palatable and limiting in pursuit of one narrow extreme. I have never been so unable to think when listening to music before. It's cool, though day to day I'd rather listen to basically anything else.They made two more albums after the debut, and have even performed live, so I'm not so sure it's all a joke. More effort than necessary for one gag.
>>129069786Ease up on the pseud-language, you are coming off as a major tryhard.
>>129069786>More effort than necessary for one gag.They're not a gag but I think they're self aware. Wasn't their tagline like "no notes, no melody, just noise" or something along those lines?I enjoyed trying it once, found they did what they wanted to do very well, then had no interest in trying more lel>>129069792This is the tryhard-pseud general my guy. Just you wait until I write my 10k word essay about Weighing Souls With Sand.
>>128994839Mike Rawls is a fucking god that’s why
Love it whenever a meal album busts out the sax.
>>129069844>Weighing Souls With SandThis is /xxr/?
>>129070601I mean it's rock based and pretty experimental given how it's like nothing else. I'd say it matches simply because there are no other bands that I've ever heard like TAP.Then again I'm not OP and I'm not very fussy.I'm likely blinded by my sheer desire to gush about TAP at every opportunity I am given (which is never).
apart from some specific bestial or war metal bands, nothing quite scratches the same chaotic evil metal itch like texas "deathrashardcorextreme" band NUCLEAR DEATH. So if you know anything similar, please give the rec.
>>129072033I've got chaotic evil metal >>129025933 but not much similar to specifically that.
>>129069792Trying hard is cool. Being a retard or a slouch on purpose as an "oooh I don't even caaaare, I'm so above everything" posture all the time is not, and is one of many paths to race to the bottom.
>>129069844>They're not a gag but I think they're self aware.Oh no doubt, and I understand you now. I see some people confuse "self-awareness" with "irony" or other irreverent behavior, so sometimes I question what they actually mean.This is less specific to Encenathrakh, but I admire absurd art made earnestly, especially when the artist sees its absurdity yet puts it forth anyway. >Wasn't their tagline like "no notes, no melody, just noise" or something along those lines?I've never heard that, but that's funny and I believe it.>>129070601>>129070626I don't know The Angelic Process (one of my "I'll get to it eventually" bands in my bookmarks) but I'm not opposed to it.
>>129075947I bet that's what your parents told you .And that is why you were bullied in school and have no friends now.
>>129077569>I see some people confuse "self-awareness" with "irony" or other irreverent behavior, so sometimes I question what they actually mean.It's a tricky line isn't it though, as sometimes "self-awareness" can ruin the overall album's intent or even come across as ironic. Hard to tell the difference between "self aware but loves it" and "self aware and ironic to cover up how silly it is". Artists like Deha is very self aware but sometimes I feel like that means he doesn't push himself hard enough and just gives into all his feels.>I don't know The Angelic Process (one of my "I'll get to it eventually" bands in my bookmarks)I strongly recommend you do if you need something new to try. Might not be as experimental or artsy as a lot of the stuff here but it's a pretty unique soundscape and if you like "emotional" music they're pretty hard to top at times.This was the song I got recommended on /mu/ like 10 years ago (fuck me): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiVKqkGKWEwBut I think they peaked harder on that album and others. Their earlier material can be more experimental but as a result a bit less cohesive, and less gut wrenching for the stronger stuff.Really these 2 tracks are the ones that I kept returning for:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCjTKS_KkmEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwEQ47SJw3INow I've somehow ended up with like 4 physical copies of that same album, and don't regret it at all :^)
>>129079485Alright, blasting The Promise of Snakes. I have some reservations with the vocal style, but the riffing is massive. Haven't finished it yet but yeah I'll check the band out now.as an aside, I swore they were on MA but was surprised to get no results.
>>129064354Unironically I think abysmal is one of the greatest keyboardists ever
>>129082839>I have some reservations with the vocal styleApparently they are just another texture. Anecdotally I heard the lyrics are just random scribbles of poetry the vocalist either wrote or liked. I think they 100% suit the anguish tone the music is going for.I am biased though given I adore most of their material.>but the riffing is massiveThe whole album of WSWS is great, but the 2 tracks I linked as my favourites are the ones that crushed me hard enough to keep repeating it over and over.
>>129083175I considered listening to the other two, but I'd rather not spoil too much.
>>129085201Well if it's me, just listen to that album in full, it's all their peak as far as I'm concerned. When I first heard that Promise track I was hooked and went start to finish.Hopefully you like it either way.
Just gonna ignore the /mental/hospital for a bit.
>>129072033ND was definitely a very unique band with a sound of their own, and Lori is amazing is her own right and I love everything she has ever done
>>129065741i thought this was a chart giving recs for someone who likes The Black Dahlia Murder
>>129086660Yep I've had that confused response a few times when I abbreviate technical brutal death metal.I wish I had enjoyed Black Dahlia's formula more. It wears thin after a few albums. During a discography run (not sprinting through everything right away, but listening to each a couple times as well as other music in between) I stopped halfway through Everblack and never got back to any of it.Miasma through Deflorate are alright though.
>>129015908>>129016824more like sum dum whoree
So far I ilke it.Now it's not the album anon brought up, but I wanted to try both.
>>129089717That's probably their second best IMO.Just know if you go any earlier it will have less moments of heaviness but also more exploration of sounds for better or worse.
>>129090665I have a mix of thoughts on this band, but I want to listen again to refresh my memory.>if you go any earlier it will have less moments of heaviness but also more exploration of soundsI might prefer that, some of the drone and chugging got a bit samey.
>>129094571There's a lot bubbling underneath the drone, but I can understand the point. It's definitely an album for getting lost in rather than sitting there stroking your chin with complete attention, as I imagine it would then meld a bit samey. I found Coma Waering worse for that, while WSWS had a unique vibe per song even if they were mostly chuggy.
>>129095108>It's definitely an album for getting lost inTrue, my first listen to each album was more uncertain because I expected more music of form than music of atmosphere. Just finished Weighing Souls again and enjoyed it more that way, which makes obvious sense as it's a drone/post-metal/shoegaze-ish album.If I had to change something about it, I'd want more >I found Coma Waering worse for that, while WSWS had a unique vibe per song even if they were mostly chuggy.Yes CW feels like WSWS's prototype.Also, longshot comparison, but does some of WSWS remind you of Biomech-era Devin Townsend like it does me? The droning and wailing of the guitars with Kris's shouted vocals on tracks like Million Year Summer and The Resonance of Goodbye in particular, sound like the atmospheric moments of Seventh Wave, Regulator, or Bastard. Though TAP played a far more distilled and primary version of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-0lQ__wIcMaybe it's the shared shoegaze influence, that genre's a total blindspot for me.
>>129097853fuck I forgot to finish part of itIf I had to change something about WSWS, I'd want longer melodies. Something that would make it more rewarding when listening close without taking away from the atmosphere. Funeral doom melodies are really good at this. Even the cover art looks like a funeral doom album come to think of it.
Don't really bother with metal too much these days, but I was in the mood, and Ad Nauseam is one of the few I enjoy returning to.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6_OJj5fZ1w&list=PLNcXAj61kqiKFg6RoI4vucOAoxXRyf3Fz&index=3
So this is just /metal/ huh
>>129099390Not all here is metal, and not all metal is here.
I can confirm they have more than one good album. It's weirdly folky and gets a bit discordant on a few tracks. Hard to sum up easily.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiGV2oZzUOA
>>129097853>Also, longshot comparison, but does some of WSWS remind you of Biomech-era Devin Townsend like it does me?Not particularly, but DT is not an artist I've listened to more than a couple times. I get your point that it gets "droney" and "shoegazey", but I feel like it's trying much less to be oppressively crushing or dark sounding compared to TAP.>>129098862They are one of the few dissodeath bands worth listening to nowadays for me. A lot just kinda blend together but AN execute it much better than most.The title track off that album basically made that my AOTY that year by itself, the rest was a bonus.
I posted this in /metal/, but I will post it here as well because it fits. What is your album of the year 2025? This is mine
>>129101226I've found 2025 to be really lame for the stuff I checked out, so my AOTY is just Ultra which isn't suitable for here and would just cause /metal/ to spam INHERENTLY.For something more /xxr/ I did like Planning For Burial's release. Not his best, and I could understand people thinking it's a bit shit (as it's intentionally samey) but I found myself listening to it a lot despite being more of a /meal/fag.
>>129101226Actually I could just post the 2025 thing I was using to track my AOTYs.Hexvessel is definitely the most /xxr/ thing there. A very weird release I'm still not sure if I love or just like, but it's definitely interesting.
>>129101207Yep the early DT association was a stretch, but I thought I'd ask if there was anything more to it than very basic aesthetic similarity.I re-listened to that Ad Nauseam album since he posted it, still filters me about as much as it first did, but I do respect it. Somehow AN is both horrible sounding yet oddly clean.>>129101265Ultra is still extreme metal, I wouldn't mind it here.IMO it's a C-grade version of Kultur. Songs drag out and wander in ways that aren't so good.
>>129101388>IMO it's a C-grade version of Kultur. Songs drag out and wander in ways that aren't so good.Ironically that's how I felt Kultur was. Songs just kept dragging on and on, and while Nordmann's vocals were good they were stretched out far too long and didn't suit the less frenetic music. Ultra improved on that for me a lot as it picked up the pace more and that suited the vocals more.I do think it's quite front loaded and the second half wanes and drags, but I genuinely found Kultur both dull and mismatched so it's still an upgrade for me.I'm in the boat of Natur >= Ultra >>> Kultur. I cannot understand the praise for Kultur besides that one riff on Pan which is just a post-metal riff you'd hear anywhere else, but because most fans of Kultur would never dive into such cringe they think it's mindblowing.>Yep the early DT association was a stretch, but I thought I'd ask if there was anything more to it than very basic aesthetic similarity.It's probably just because I dive into the realms of "gay shit" more so I've spammed a lot of gazey or atmospheric stuff to take away different views or just hear it different. Hence enjoying Planning For Burial which I don't think many mealfags would want to touch with a barge pole.
>>129101226I listened to a few tracks off that once, also all of Mirar - Ascension. I am both glad that thall expands on the possibilities of djent, and am utterly confused in the appeal of such music, even more so than regular djent. My AOTY is the latest by Anal Stabwound, though there's something just a little underwhelming about it.
>>129101407>I cannot understand the praise for Kultur besides that one riff on Pan which is just a post-metal riff you'd hear anywhere else, but because most fans of Kultur would never dive into such cringe they think it's mindblowing.Which riff, 2:12 or 5:15? Both are quite bittersweet. What post-metal bands play stuff like that?Maybe they don't ask where that kind of riff comes from because the definition of a "black metal" riff has stretched insanely far.
Behold, the Arctopus
>>129102144>2:12That one, but when the post-rock esque lead guitar bit starts over the top closer to 3:00. That was the bit I saw a lot of people cream over and frankly it just sounded like a deafheaven lead at a slower tempo to me. I saw people claim it as like "triumphant" and shit and I'm just there scratching my head, but such is the discourse of politically charged bands even if the music doesn't touch it.https://youtu.be/jiydFImA2QY?t=154There's every chance I just saw one spergout over it and took that as "what everyone loves" as it can be hard to tell, so I could just be retarded.
>>128990486Are Voivod the grandfathers of /xxr/? Who else was putting out dissonant, discordant, proggy extreme rock before them?
>>129102532>Who else was putting out dissonant, discordant, proggy extreme rock before them?I was gonna say bands like Bauhaus or Daniel Johnston were putting out weird experimental rock before them, but they obviously weren't "extreme".
>>129102532>Are Voivod the grandfathers of /xxr/? Magma was unintentionally putting out proto-extreme metal/dissoshit in the 70s with growls and everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdBDhwiI9-0Voivod, Meshuggah, etc all cite them as an influence.
>>129102532They're probably the first to do that in metal. Amebix had some BM-esque discordant riffs on their crust/post-punk EPs, though it's not proggy.
More ike this? https://youtu.be/LJtOo2K9WZYI also really like the sound of the second singer in the verse (for instance at 0:37), so I'd take something punk, or more more metal if it has a voice with similar energy.
>>129102575Daniel Johnston is mostly singer-songwriter music, but his collab with Jad Fair is fairly strange indie rock. Or at least I remember it being borderline unlistenable.
>>129102579Yeah but Voivod are cool while Magma sounds lke shit
>>129107390>Or at least I remember it being borderline unlistenable.That's basically how I saw DJ. Was getting into emo and obviously that gets rec'd by everyone and I had no idea why as it felt like a schizo meltdown rather than music. Emotionally interesting but fucking awful.
>>129102387Oh I see, the tremolo-picked version of the same melody. I don't think it's much like the Violet lead desu. Violet sounds bright yet melancholic, and like sunlight shining through leaves. Pan doesn't have that. Very vibe and imagination-based but that's what I get from it.>I saw people claim it as like "triumphant" and shit and I'm just there scratching my headYeah the terms some people use to describe styles of metal have drifted into nonsense. I think describing consonant riffs in metal as "melodic" has become uncool, so the overlapping but different "triumphant" has taken its place. Some so-called triumphant black metal these days is more consonant, bright, major-key, even poppier than other melodic black or death metal ever was.Most of the riffs on Kultur and Ultra are the opposite of triumphant actually. There is the occasional feeling to them of pushing through adversity, but overall they are mournful. I'd sooner call Natur triumphant, though it isn't either.
>>129102532Someone on RYM compared the riffs Sepultura's Against album to piggy's riffs in Voivod. Is that a good comparison or a bad one?I'm not familiar with voivod.
>>129102532Thank you for reminding me that this era of Voivod exists, because this shit's great. Amazed how well-rounded these are. And I have barely listened to them in years. Mad at myself.I remember not liking Nothingface much, so I'm very curious what I'll think of it now.
>>129111122Dialing down the thrash makes this less immediately cool, but it's still good.
Like me Hamfero but it'd be nice if the closer wasnt just 5 mins of some dude talking.
>>129111122>>129111359I think Nothingface is overrated but I can understand why its their most well known album considering Voivod combined post-hardcore, prog metal and thrash metal in a way that was never been done before and hasn't been replicated since.
>>129112005>in a way that was never been done before and hasn't been replicated sincemeanwhile in 1990, a year laterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9eznX8-8UU
>>129112005I'd say it doesn't combine prog metal with other genres, it IS progressive metal.
>>129115287The reason Nothingface IS unique and acclaimed is because of its combination of progressive metal and post-hardcore.Voivod even admits it; The entire reason they went prog in the late 80s was because they admitted they were beginning to "grow out of metal" and into other genres but still wanted to play Voivod and thought it'd be dumb if they stopped playing metal, so they started incorporating more influence from prog rock and post-punk/post-hardcore into their sound.The closest sounding thing to prog Voivod before prog Voivod was Die Kreuzen, a post-hardcore band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1klV-Bv7KiA
Soivod sucks monkeyballs.
I have a confession mates.I can't into Sigh.
>>129116586Only their first 5 albums are great, everything beyond that's hit and miss.
>>129116600The only one I listened to of the first 5 was Imaginary Sonicscape and it was good but not very metal. Unique and interesting but not something I wanted to spin all the time.
>>129116742Imaginary Sonicscape's arguably their best but if you want something that's less out there and more consistent check out Hail Horror Hail or Scenario IV.After Imaginary Sonicscape I kind of feel like Sigh dropped their bluesy heavy metal riffing for more standard thrashy speed metal riffing which they don't really do that well.I can't think of a catchy or memorable Sigh riff post-Imaginary Sonicscape, they lean too much on weirdness now.
>>129115626I agree Voivod took from other genres. My perspective is they made metal that was progressive, and weren't imitators of existing prog metal (they don't sound like Fates Warning for instance).
Thank you to the /metal/fag who was fixated on this finndeath EP for about a week.
>>129117732Fair enough I'll look at more of it. I didn't hate IS just didn't really understand the hype after a few listens.
>>129120555>never heard of this>go to MA>see band pictureSOVL
Why did the bastard have to drop dead I wanted more
Anyone got recs for stuff like picrel? i.e Death Metal + Hardcore but ACTUALLY GOOD? This album has created an insane craving for that mix but when you look up "death metal + hardcore" you get deathcore and 200 stab wounds and other gay shit
>>129102532Siege was former a year prior
>>129124454It's nothing like Dying Fetus but really if you want Metal + Hardcore mixes you probably wanna look more for Crust.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjdT4r2hgDgNot very Death though.
>>129124454Internal Bleeding? Early Mortal Decay also has a hardcore undercurrent. When they were named Macabre, they called themselves New Jersey Death-Core (before deathcore was a thing).For more overt hardcore influence, there's Traumaside.
>>129124454What about Deathcore that avoids being too gay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh2Z-haPvFM
Speaking of deathcore...
>>129125778Yes?
>>129125840>Deathcore, Progressive Metal, Djent Seeing these genres together churns my stomach but I'll try some of the album.Kruelty is more like death-doom mixed with beatdown hardcore. Concerned with playing slow mosh riffs and little else, not even close to reaching a triple digit IQ. 40 minutes is a little long for such monotonously consistent music, but it still rules.
>>129126050I went looking for a download for that Kruelty album and didn't find anything.The Contortionist got worse in their discog, but I'd suggest that debut album isn't very djent and worth checking out as they fart about more with post-rock and more of a grand scale. I really like it for the "space" vibes.If you want to just get the best of it, try the last 3 "exoplanet" tracks, or the opener if you don't want to sit through that much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ktp09BJJrgEvery album after doesn't sit well with me, but that album is one of the few coreshit albums I will spin anytime.
>>129124632Internal Bleeding is decent, tho i like their less hardcore stuff better. Traumaside seems cool
>>128990486>extreme, abrasivethis stopped being experimental decades ago
>>129129346No one claims that it is.
Massacre (the other one) hours
>>129129346the thread is for extreme stuff and experimental stuff
What's the point with /metal/ these days when there is /xxr/ and /trad/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SJlW-Rrm-g>>129129716People still want to post in /metal/, I still post some in /metal/ too. Also /meal/ kinda has to be there to bear the brunt of the schizospam when it comes, like right now.
>>129129716/metal/ is more general and less nicheAlso these ones have less retardspam as these are too quiet/slow for schizos to get the attention they want.
blasting any meal?
>>129129905yea but its just some plaino swedish melodeath and not very /xxr/
>>129129905The last /xxr/ appropriate metal I checked out was Njiqahdda.Despite the MA somewhat schizo genre tag of "Atmospheric Black Metal/Psychedelic Rock/Ambient", it was kinda boring. Mostly sort of droning and not really going anywhere.
Well this is sick. Saw the band mentioned in a Kruelty review as a probable influence. It's a little faster and has more typical hardcore vocals, but everything else is there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6Daw2ymTs
