Most metal recorded after 1997 (especially after 2005) has this generic production that's hard to describe. It's a sound that too clean, compressed, too loud, Protooled to death. This song is a prime example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLtP8GYdpoY
>>129024108everyone is watching the same mix tutorials, using the same plugins, and chasing the same overproduced sound. nobody is stopping you from using analog gear, specifically chosen equipment, and chasing your sound instead of everyone else's. the next differentiator will be the band that chases their own sound. the music community still shits on st anger snare and sound. this is part of the problem. fans want slop. until they will accept different or bands will not care about tone cancellation this will continue.
>>129024489>st angerthis is why. band demos that are DIY sound incredible and unique. once they get signed they hit the studio circuit and get the same sound as everyone else. DIY, rebel attitude, and making music for the bands and the fans instead of the industry is what is required.
it's all fake. drum hits replaced with samples. guitarists punching in parts they can't play. bass is played by a VST. pitch shifting on heavy vocals. we need a return to honesty and transparency.
>>129024108can you stop being a fag?
>>129024108Just make it sound like Metallica's self-titled. That's clean and compressed too but it's done tastefully. There's still dynamic range.
>>129025456Because it was recorded analog, before the post-97 digital recordings
>>129024108You gonna blame drum triggers used on the majority of brutal death metal records too?
>>129025495i dunno maybe i guess sure
>>129024108some producers I know just draw out the entire song on a timeline, program all the drums, then email the song out to their bandmates. Modern metal is just MIDI programmed slop played with live instruments. If anyone actually deviates from the grid and tries to make something sound real it just gets beat detected out of the song. Metal may as well be techno at this point.
>>129024108The most overrated shit in the music biz. It's dead, it was the standard for a long time, but we've evolved past needing Pro Tools to be the standard. I hate pro tools. It's way too intricate just like everything else music equipment related these days. You gotta literally go to college to learn that shit and let me tell you, I went to college for it and still don't know how to really use that shit. Just use Audacity or Garage Band or something. Pro Tools is the iPhone of DAWS. You don't need to pay $500 a year when you can download Audacity for free and have a much better, easier, simpler experience. You want me to pay all that just to hit a fucking record button, add some reverb and edit the wavelength? Uht no. Never had Pro Tools and never will. My money isn't meant to make some lucky retard rich who managed to get the world to pay $500 a year for a fucking DAW, or a phone or anything else I want. That shit needs to stop. Stop doing shit for money. It's not the key to happiness believe it or not.
$14,999.99 for Avid Pro Tools Ultimate - Perpetual LicenseIn case you didn't know it costs $1500 to hit the record button, this is like the rolls royce or bentley of daws
>>129024489>fans want slopmore like record labels and bands want a product that will move some shirts
The whole mixing and mastering thing is way overblown in import. Basically, that's some shit you should only really worry a lot about if you've already got a contract with some label and they have somebody to handle it anyway. There are people in /prod/ who advocate that people farting out songs for fun at home send their tracks away to somebody on Fiverr or whatever to mix them. What? Why? Just get that shit mixed and fart it onto your Soundcloud.I for one use the Roland VS-1680 and do it all in the box, it's my mixer, multi-track recorder, effects box (I have others too but it has an incredible array of great sounding and highly editable effects), it's easy to use and more importantly NO COMPUTER BULLSHIT.Meanwhile I have a buddy who got some audio interface years ago and Pro Tools and he doesn't have a license now or a fucking retro computer old enough to run his licensed copy, I'm helping him out with this so at least he can get his tracks "out" of Pro Tools. With computer music and proprietary software this is your future.
>>129024108>especially after 2005Has less to do with PT and more to do with everyone copying Chris Lord-Alges' mixing/production style by this point.
>>129024108this sounds like metallica
>>129034129Testament is just Metallica if they never sold out
>>129024108Yeah I agree with this. I don’t know shit about production so it might be a placebo but modern metal sounds so clear. Granted I think a lot of classic heavy metal bands that i like (Priest and Maiden) also sound like this.
>all metal should sound like lo fi black metal or cavern core
>>129034334There's gotta be an area between Lo Fi and Metallica with how heavy metal sounds.Guitars use the same compression, amps, cabs and EQ settings from record to record and it makes heavy metal sound very samey. It's like there's no difference between bands anymore.
>>129035494>It's like there's no difference between bands anymoreYeah it seems like that's what the fans want. idk I feel like this is like complaining that daytime soaps are all the same. The crowd knows what they want and there is a vastly developed ecosystem to deliver it.
Modern thrash metal is the worst for this. Produced like fucking pop music. I hear a lot of newer so-called "death metal" that just sounds like pedestrian garbage too.
>>129025495shitty clean sound works great for bdm
>>129024108>has this generic production that's hard to describeit's not that hard. it's due to many of these metal bands using the same shitty producers and engineers. it's not just metal that is affected. there's many genres from late 90s-2005 era that suffered greatly from poor mixing and engineering. a lot of shit that sounded ok back 30 years ago really sounds like ass today.
>>129024504>>129024489name a time when mainstream major label releases didn't all sound more or less the same. you be asking why for example everything in '79 was discoslop.
>>129024108It has less to do with Pro Tools itself and more just the general homogenization of mainstream metal as more bands have been absorbed by a smaller number of big labels who expect the same sound and many records are produced by the same handful of producers or people mimicking their style.
>>129024108>>129036167So the 80s when everything had boom boom boom drums and shred guitars was what now?
>>129036182Kino and sovl
>>129024108atleast theres no clipping.
>>129024108you reach a point where you stop caring>no you dont understand, this music sounds like assmost music is ass. Most art is ass. I too fantasize about a world where all art is good, but we're not living in that world
>>129024108mainstream metal is a niche industry that sucks money from this weird post hot-topic "alt"millennial redditor type with hyperniches and carefully pumps out bands of the month with new novelty gimmicks and sounds that ultimately all sound the same. it started atleast in the 2000s when they basically managed those warped tour emo/metalcore bands basically the same way they crafted "boybands" in the 90s. all modern metal is some blend of recycled melodeath, metalcore, stupid djent bitz, clean vocals, "Mascot/gimmick" reddit themes. they find some malleable band that fits into the right time for the market and manage them to death for 2-3 years until the next cycle. basically the only real metal left is underground black metal acts like Peste Noire that deliberately stay independent and gatekeeping one-man bands, usually NSBM adjacent because thats the only thing taboo left and repulses the casual fan or prevents one from getting signed by any of the big labels, some which were known to be open antifa-sympathizers or whatever (nuclear blast). >>129036650this is an indian mindset
>>129036731why does your shitty music need gimmicks? why does it have to hide itself behind dogshit production? why cant it just be honest?
>>129036776whose music are you talking about because all that shit you mentioned is definitely not mine
>>129036776>overproduced>honestBegging you to pick one senpai
>>129036776learn to read
>muh productionAnd I thought metalfags were less supetgi than rapfags
>>129036731>modern metal hater is a NSBM fagCan't make this shit up
>>129037044you make a lot of really stupid assumptions and then pretend they are points, you're a global southerner right?
>>129037044wheres the contradiction?
>>129024108result of a lack of experimentation, stemming from the rigidity and conformity enforced by the metal community at large, which is ironic given that it's supposedly a genre for misfits and subversives. deviate from The Formula and metal autists will throw axes at you.
>>129025941Don't forget it only works with specific hardware made by the same company, and that hardware can only be used with Pro Tools and nothing else. All that and it gets BTFO by Reaper. Lmao
>>129036883you should
>>129036182You can at hear the difference slight differences on every 80s album despite most having some kind of reverb effect.>>129036731(((Black))) and (((death))) metal fucking SUCKS!
>>129037738(underground) black metal is the only subgenre that still consistently and organically experiments and has bands with their own style and sound, no i'm not talking about "trve kvlt black metal" where its just lo-fi tremolo picking and screeching copying early burzum and mayhem, copying them actually goes against the idea of those bands to begin with. i already mentioned peste noire and generally the stuff that orbits around it.
>>129037691nobody is going to engage with your retarded assertion that underground black metal has gimmicks and "hides" behind "bad production" and other ignorancy
>>129037831you just did tho? do you seriously think that type of dog shit would even have an audience if it wasnt for the politics and imagery that they like to use? i hope you are baiting and not just a crack smoking burden on society
>>129038301again you're ignorant and generalizing some strawmen of NSBM that i wasn't even talking about, retarded and likely underaged.
Are they any really dynamic Death Metal records Classics or new ones? Can't think of any that is not heavly compressed and sound rather flat.
