How do I get into Goth music and subculture? Where do I start? What artists or albums are the essentials and good introductions?I'm too shy to go to a goth club by myself, how do I meet goth friends.also goth thread
>>129045637it sucks
>>129045637Have you listened to anything by pic related? Juju is always a good place to start.
>>129045637https://youtu.be/Yy9h2q_dr9k?si=QfLMUKkklDN5k5KC https://youtu.be/Yy9h2q_dr9k?si=QfLMUKkklDN5k5KC https://youtu.be/Yy9h2q_dr9k?si=QfLMUKkklDN5k5KC
>>129045637become a Messianic Jewjklisten to The Cure everyone starts with The Cure even Varg did
>>129047431The Banshees are much better than the cure tho
Unironically, try some Neil Diamond b-sides
>>129045637Certified poser here, try listening toIn The Flat Field, The Sky's Gone Out and Mask by BauhausThe Scream, Join Hands, Kaleidoscope and Juju by Siouxsie and The BansheesSeventeen Seconds, Faith and Pornography by The CureMan of Straw E.P. by Sad Lovers And GiantsTalk About The Weather by Red Lorry Yellow LorryUnknown Pleasures, Closer, Transmission and Atmosphere by Joy Division
>>129047609u just say that bc Siouxsie is cute
>>129045637All Goths are posers so you'll be all right
>>129045772the song that started it all... perfect place to start(you can always go back later and check out all the "proto-goth" stuff that came out earlier but it will all be something-goth and not just "goth' like BLD is)
>>129047801true
>>129045637My experience with goth was almost all through gothic metal. The girls I dated, my friends and just women in general who were goth were all about that shit.A little later I found other goths who were into darkwave, dark elecro, aggrotech. And through them I met people who were into death rock that I fucking hate.Start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugpfpzGQIco
>>129047801No, I say it because they're the better band.
>>129045637Listen to what >>129045757 and >>129047715 have posted, though I also strongly recommend Tinderbox and Disintegration. Echo and the Bunnymen, The Sisters of Mercy, and Concrete Blonde are also worth looking into.>>129047609True, but the latter's mainstream appeal makes them an easy go-to for starters.
>>129047801>>129050880You're both right.
>>129047609Ive listened to some banshees but ive never found a goth song. Where are they?
>>129045637go through all the old 4AD shit>I'm too shy to go to a goth club by myself, how do I meet goth friends.gotta get over it, but more likely to meet goths with better taste at a DIY industrial show desu. "Goth clubs" are like "emo night"
>>129051076Okay well how do they work. I've never been a bar or club or any show of any sort alone. I'm quite shy and awkward and would probably sit on my phone. I'm not ugly or unapproachable or anything by any means. Do random people just dance or something in the middle of the floor? How the fuck do these gatherings work. They seem so weird! And my one baby bat friend said all the industrial music isn't that good.
>>129050880Prove it
>>129050820>gothic metal Based. I went to see Tribulation in concert once and the show was full of chicks. Only time I've been to a metal show with lots of women>death rock What's there to hate? There's Samhain, 45 Grave, and I can't think of a single other death rock band of significance. (And they sound nothing like one another) I've never been able to define death rock clearly enough to feel any way about it at all. T. Non goth metalhead. Black Planet is a good song, I guess?
Start with the OG goth baddie, Hildegard von Bingenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei88J4lERbk
>>129045637you need a time machine back to anywhere between 1985 and 1995
>>129045637Start with tiktok and don't listent to anything pre 2020
Always loved the aesthetics of Goth, but could never understand the appeal what seems to be official goth music.The best gothy music to me was stuff that doesn't officially seem to count but has the vibe, e.g.CranesDead Can Dance
>>129045637can't get much more classic than The Sisters of Mercy. start with Floodland, then First and Last and Always, then Some Girls Wander By Mistake. or in reverse order if you prefer raw shit.some of the raw shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2vT56Qn5Sk
>>129054013Just listen to both bands' discographies.
>>129054776>Start with the OG goth baddieBachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erXG9vnN-GIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i79RIM-kIXA
>>129057633some of their demos are better than the final songshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIHq3m0ir1E
1. Familiarize yourself with the music. This is the most important part, and defines if you're a poseur or not. "True goth" includes gothic rock (Bauhaus, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Fields of the Nephilim, The Sisters of Mercy), deathrock (literally "goth-punk" like Christian Death), and darkwave (Dead Can Dance, Black Tape for a Blue Girl). Goth is rooted in specific post-punk bands, most notably Joy Division. The key modern act is Chelsea Wolfe. Not true goth but actually important to the goth scene is early industrial (Throbbing Gristle, Einstürzende Neubauten), some synthpop (Soft Cell), and gothic metal (Type O Negative, My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost).2. Read some gothic romantic literature - Byron's poetry, Frankenstein, Dracula, etc. Also later horror like Poe.3. Watch the horror films goths like - every version of Nosferatu, Interview With a Vampire, etc.
>>129059494Then Black Sabbath was the first popular Goth Rock Band.
>>129059508No, and that doesn't follow. Gothic Rock developed out of post-punk in the late 70s, as I literally mentioned. Sabbath is influenced by gothic horror, but in the Victorian sense, just like gothic rock was. Sabbath was also a big influence on gothic metal, and probably an underrecognized influence on the more hard rock-oriented gothic rock bands like The Cult, Fields of the Nephilim, The Sisters of Mercy, Christian Death, and TSOL, but calling Black Sabbath gothic rock is retarded. There's a heavy blues/psych influence in Sabbath, a heavy fantasy one, just because Sabbath was influenced by gothic romanticism and influenced some goth doesn't mean they were gothic rock themselves, that completely misunderstands both music trends.
>>129059529This guy takes his subgenres very seriously.
I was pretty disillusioned by "goth music" in general. They weren't very scary and their beats weren't that good. Though they look cool but most 80s goth scenes were trash IMO.Maybe some actual scary goth music would be like "Sleep Paralysis" by Sidewalks and Skeletons. Maybe Crystal Castles. Yeah Yeah Yeahs. The Cure. Personally I like shoegaze genre bands like The Jesus and Mary Chain. Post punk music kinda sucks too.But yeah, goths to me are just lazy nihilistic proto-emos.Goth clubs are pretty cringe because you see weird people dancing all funny in smoke and strobe lights. Sometimes they just wail around on the floor. But that's just my perspective. Someone else could say that they're brave for expressing, dancing, and dressing how they say they feel/are. It's performance if you believe it is. It's real if you believe it is.Just enjoy your own music and I say as the start of a new year, go to that goth club. I've been too shy too, but you end up meeting people way more introverted than you at those things. Lots of outcasts and weirdos, which are the most tolerant people, unlike conservatives or christians.
>>129059801>But yeah, goths to me are just lazy nihilistic proto-emos.They were but they were more obsessed than vampires than emos and emos were very obsessed with vampires and horror themed stuff toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZvFNQjYB6Q
>>129059801Goth is potentially more beautiful in themes because its more lamentational not of themselves or their performance in the world but about physical existence itself. Imagine a Goth like being a Deist but he thinks God just left and is not watching over this creation ever again, leaving a meaningless void of uncertainty. Like some Deists struggle with why a present God allows suffering, leading to the conclusion that God is either absent or not involved in managing the world's problems. So yeah Goth has potentially a more beautiful but tragic view of the role of man in the universe, there is more that struggle against nihilism indeed but that in itself is beautiful and meaningful.Emo is more inner struggle, the world can be fine but it is you that is the problem you have depression and you cannot find a way to make yourself normal again, its just boring, vain, and cyclical and you hate yourself.Both tend to have similarities though like the sentiment of just "wandering" "floating through life" without ever knowing why.Existence is imperfect ;-; is different to im not sure why im so imperfect ;-;Too bad early goth music doesnt even come to par with Emo, Emo musically developed more and Goth because just a sub genre label used on Industrial, Metal, Newwave, etc
>>129060000Absolutely based quads and checked.
