It’s just Hardcore Punk with the guitar tone set to Metal
Not really. You just described Terrorizer.
>>129065660>Tell me in one sentence why I should listen to Slayer
>>129065660Kinda but the riffs and licks are definitely metal.
>>129065711Hippies hate it.
>>129065660it's just surf rock with the guitar tone set to metal
My favorite Slayer album is Show No Mercy, and my favorite song by them is Crionics
>>129065660Not quite, but the hardcore influence in it is so pronounced that it and similar albums like Possessed's Seven Churches are almost unrecognizable as earlier metal and are literally the beginning of extreme metal.The thrash bands literally combined the sounds of NWOBHM and hardcore punk, and that's how they came up with their sound. The musicianship is way more sophisticated than any hardcore band except Bad Brains, who wound up going thrash themselves anyway.But yeah, it's definitely a metal/hardcore fusion. Thrash had bands that were metal bands with a hardcore influence (Slayer, Metallica, Exodus, etc.) and the opposite, hardcore bands with a metal influence (Suicidal Tendencies, DRI, etc.)There were other punk/metal fusions happening around then too. As >>129065679 mentions, grind was starting to happen, combining the speed and extremity of thrash and hardcore, like Terrorizer, Napalm Death, and Repulsion. In New York the hardcore bands were going heavier and slower, which became beatdown (like Cold As Life, who are actually from Detroit), and that would evolve into metalcore (Converge, Hatebreed).
>>129066089In the 80s there was a huge confluence of punk and metal. Both sides were taking a lot of influence from each other. Things splintered after that, maybe a bit too much even, but there was a period in the mid 80s in particular where there was immense overlap between the two genres and everybody was pushing things to be more extreme.
>>129065660Hardcore here. We don't claim Slayer. They're metal.
it’s death metal-lite and I’m not saying that’s a bad thing
>>129065660I hate punk fags so god damn much. They're like blacks who think they invented everything.
>>129065660Go back>>129066089Nicely put, adequately put
>>129066089Beatdown/hardcore is gay
>>129070643Moshzilla would wreck this anons shit
>>129066089Mostly accurate until the end. Beatdown and metalcore emerged at the same time.
>>129070761Lol no
>>129070396to be fair punk was important in influencing thrash and a lot of metal genreswhich is like giving credit to cavemen for us having wheels
It's actually just Post-Punk with distortion. Remove the heavy guitars and it's basically the B52'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnrfqPoX4WU
>>129070971heh hu never lost your bomber dancing in the pit so you don't even no
this thread is retardedthere's no musicality u need to argue abt this if slayer played hardcore shows instead of metal shows they would've been considered hardcore because that's how the genre works go to a show bro
>>129071471It sucks ass so i wont even be at a show lmao
wrong first metallic hc release was integrity's harder they fall in 1989 and the first beatdown release was without a cause's self titled in 1991 (at least that's what a lot of ppl accept)ofc beatdowns existed before 1991, maybe even before '89 but it's much like how playing one slam bit in your death metal album doesn't make you a bsdm band. bands used them, just not enough
>>129066089It's also worth nothing that the term "Thrash" itself was originally an underground punk term before terms like "hardcore" became universal. Thrash metal might as well mean "hardcore metal". 'Thrash' in the punk context was never mainstream whereas thrash metal became a mainstream hit by the end of the 1980s so the term 'thrash' lost its original punk roots. A lot of the punk bands who called themselves thrash rebranded to thrashcore in the late 80s/early 90s as well since "thrash" on its own became short term for thrash metal, not thrash (punk)
>>129070396the difference is, nearly zero white rock bands cite black blues/black rock artists as a main influencenearly every fucking 80s thrash metal band cites punk as an influenceearly thrash metal bands even had trouble getting shows because metal elitists insisted they were too punk, and punk elitists insisted they were too metal
>>129072327I wasn't there, but I know bands considered thrash pioneer now like Metallica called themselves power metal in their Kill'em All era and not thrash or hardcore punk.
>>129072123You are frail, your job is to serve drinks, and find the bomber jacket, that's it absolutely
>>129072216>first metallic hc release was integrity's harder they fall in 1989 and the first beatdown release was without a cause's self titled in 1991Yeah, right.
>>129072547Power metal's classification in the early 80s is strange because it was already a genre at that point with defined traits (USPM) but then you had bands like Venom and Metallica who called themselves power metal despite having nothing to do with the bands already calling themselves power metal (jag panzer and shit)
>>129072630>SHOW YOUs NO MERCY
>>129072547>>129072695for me it's d-beat crust punk power metal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jUslT2dfYAi miss that period in the mid-80s where subgenre classifications made no sense and bands were all over the place exploring different sounds within metal and punk
>>129072695>>129072766The thing is as soon as the NWOBHM kicked off, heavy metal as a genre evolved faster than music journalists could keep up pace with. All labels like thrash, power, speed, even death and black metal were thrown around haphazardly.
>>129072630i disagree with the notion that cro-mags is metallic hardcore. i don't think theyre metal influenced enough or atleast not in the same way most metallic hardcore bands are. i think, instead, cro-mags influenced hardcore bands to become metallic but from a music standpoint to me cro-mags sounds like hardcorer hardcore
>>129072630That's just crossover. Way more in common with Crumbsuckers and CoC than what early metalcore was doing. Obviously metalcore was heavily influenced by the crossover scene but they aren't really the same thing. Alpha Omega is their most metalcore album.
>>129073091yeah youre right i don't think we should go into crossover tho 'cause that's a whole nother mess but i see where you come fromi see cromags more as the slime that created everything instead of just crossover or just proto-metallic hardcore
>>129072587Lol wut are you brain damaged? Kek (you must be to enjoy beatdown/hc)Too many kicks to the noggin eh buddy?
>>129073529idk what kinda brain damage you have or what socal beatdown bands u been listening to to hate this much cause both genres have had some generational riffswould genuinely trade any metal band for any release made by special move or deformity
>>129065660what metal am i even allowed to listen to
>>129073521Oh yeah that's the primordial swamp all this shit crawled out of. And in reality these genres aren't that cleanly delineated where anybody can say this or that was the starting line. It can be fun to get into an autistic discussion about it but at the end of the day nothing is born in a bunker.
>>129073620none save yourself and get some bitches
>>129073012I can understand if the riffs aren't rapid palm-muted enough to count for some but that squealing guitar solo in We Gotta Know is pure heavy metal.
>>129072766Finally, someone other than me who remembers X-JAPAN were a thing.
>>129065660It's basically Poison Idea set to metal
What toybox do we put Biohazard in?
>>129074898musically they're hardcore although you don't see them playing actual hardcore bills or being that active in hardcore so not real hardcore
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>>129065660>Hardcore Punk with the guitar tone set to MetalThat would be Onlsaught the album "Power from Hell"Slayer is just straight boring thrash
