Furtwängler edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyoY7-pbnQThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129082673
And to think I was gonna do a Barenboim edition. If this is the same Furtwangler anon from the last thread, make sure you try out those three recs I suggested for Beethoven (firstly Barenboim, then Blomstedt/Dresden and Karajan).
>>129092915Your anus.
>>129092931See >>129092933Oldchool reigns supreme.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr97uL2XsKM
>>129092855https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEx1sBAoHS4&list=OLAK5uy_nZfQjEIPDHerBohyKdr2BT4r5UXpl7Fbs&index=30
Hamiltonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjRv_AmHlD0
now playingChopin: Waltz No. 7 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 64 No. 2 (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgZEv6UpSos&list=OLAK5uy_nLKxycnR_J_M1v9-ZC48CGZVDKXLojEsw&index=2Chopin: Nocturne No. 7 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 27 No. 1 (Live)www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAYwyl79g8&list=OLAK5uy_nLKxycnR_J_M1v9-ZC48CGZVDKXLojEsw&index=2Chopin: Barcarolle in F-Sharp Major, Op. 60 (Live)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVRyPikm-Ms&list=OLAK5uy_nLKxycnR_J_M1v9-ZC48CGZVDKXLojEsw&index=7and a bunch of other individual pieces I'm too lazy to linkstart of Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nLKxycnR_J_M1v9-ZC48CGZVDKXLojEsw>The Chopin Competition confirms the timelessness of the music of the brilliant Polish composer, from the very beginning it is far more than just a music tournament of the highest level. Attracting a growing number of pianistic talents from all over the world (452 entries in 2015, more than 650 in 2025!), it draws the attention of not only the international music community and music lovers, but also those who have little contact with classical music on a daily basis. In Poland it is a kind of national holiday, a headline event; on a global scale it is one of the most important music events. The names of the subsequent winners, like their predecessors, belong to the pantheon of world pianism: Maurizio Pollini, Martha Argerich, Garrick Ohlsson, Krystian Zimerman, Stanislav Bunin, Dang Thai Son, Kevin Kenner, Philippe Giusiano, Yundi Li, Rafal Blechacz, Yulianna Avdeeva, Seong-Jin Cho and the winner of the last Competition - Bruce Liu.>>129092965spooky
>>129092989whoops, mistake. this is the start of the second sonata; that link is to the entire recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_JvqKbTyFQ&list=OLAK5uy_nLKxycnR_J_M1v9-ZC48CGZVDKXLojEsw&index=8
>tfw no romantic era violin sonata cycle with 6-to-9 workssadBeethoven really used up most of the good sonata melodies, huh, as well as that of the piano trio and string quartet, which is why no one after him could be as prolific.
>>129093026not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead
Now that the dust has settled, this is the greatest Beethoven Violin Sonatas cycle, ye?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzS43ZUZsv4&list=OLAK5uy_l0wYczPEXtRltyk9N6VdpvKBiNLA8kUR8&index=20>acceptable but ultimately inferior alternatives:>kremer/argerich>capucon/braley>mutter/orkis>perlman/ashkenazy
What makes Barenboim an authority on Beethoven? Well, he was a pupil of Edwin Fischer, who was a pupil of Martin Krause, who was a pupil of Franz Liszt, who was a pupil of Carl Czerny, who was a pupil of Beethoven himself. He is a direct musical descendant of Beethoven!
>>129093080You forgot onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er6bd7MMB-U&list=OLAK5uy_kCpc0Wvns3nOPn7pHvtmQXQ_Bsi9UoWtg&index=13
>>129093085>son of son of son of son ofAfter 2 generations there is no relation, 1/8 share is worthless.
>>129092931Karajan's Beethoven is not worth recommending to any newcomer, man. He's a first choice in Sibelius, late Bruckner, his Mahler 9, and SVS, maybe, but not in Beethoven.
>>129093122While you're welcome to your opinion and to make your own recommendations, I love and recommend Karajan in everything.
>Despite the fact his wife was sitting by his side, legend has it that Mahler breathed his last after shouting the name of fellow composer Mozart.>"Now is my final agony. No more." Chopin's final words, as he listened to Mozart's Requiem.>Clutching Mozart's Clarinet Concerto, Richard Strauss allegedly said he "would have given anything" to have written it before shuffling off this mortal coil.
>>129093150He wanted his powdered boner inside him
>>129093150Nice, thanks for sharing.
>>129093139Karajan's serene and refined approach lacks drama, the exact quality demanded by Beethoven. It's unidiomatic, not a matter of mere taste, more like recommending Maazel's Mahler 4 to a first listener. Even you like the mushy strings and smooth articulation that much, it's just obviously not the thing to recommend first.
now playingstart of Dvořák: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 13, B. 41https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVSJv92Fz8s&list=OLAK5uy_nMyauAX0QjOTjB71ygY8kPag6RJrDTpsU&index=13start of Dvořák: Symphony No. 5 in F Major, Op. 76, B. 54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlylRI3mk5A&list=OLAK5uy_nMyauAX0QjOTjB71ygY8kPag6RJrDTpsU&index=17start of Dvořák: Symphony No. 6 in D Major, Op. 60, B. 112https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGDeJUCTI3w&list=OLAK5uy_nMyauAX0QjOTjB71ygY8kPag6RJrDTpsU&index=20https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nMyauAX0QjOTjB71ygY8kPag6RJrDTpsU>For decades, there were only three complete collections of Dvorák's symphonies: this one; Rowicki's with the same orchestra; and Kubelik's with the Berlin Philharmonic. Kertész offers the most rustic, gutsy interpretations of all. Famous for his dislike of rehearsals, he allows the London Symphony to make a much rougher sound than his colleagues tolerate, and though not the last word in polish, the results have a spontaneous charm that's pretty hard to resist. More to the point, Dvorák's early symphonies (Nos. 1 to 5) remain sadly neglected, and each one of them is full of gorgeous tunes cloaked in mellifluous orchestration. At budget price, this set now costs less than it did on LP in the 1960s. How can you do better than that? --David Hurwitz
>>129093230All of what you said makes sense. Which is why I put it third. I have enough sense not to outright recommend a completely unidiomatic recording to a newbie on its own.
>>129093150>Now is my final agony. No more." Chopin's final words, as he listened to Mozart's Requiem.Yeah so an entire orchestra was playing at his house death bed? Or was it that he possessed a recording and vinyl player before the technology existed?Mongrelized post.
>>129093248via zoom livestream, obviously
>>129093150>legend has it>allegedly Literally "in my mind, it was real". What a bunch of absolute nonsense.
>>129093150truly the greatest composer who ever lived
>>129093150>HaydnConsidered Mozart the greatest composer he knew.>BeethovenIdolised Mozart when he was young, wrote variations on his themes, quoted him frequently in his works.>SchubertIdolised the "immortal Mozart", composed symphonies in homage to his style.>SchumannCampaigned to bring Mozart to the public's attention, particularly loved the G minor symphony.>MendelssohnDeeply influenced by Mozart, also conducted his works.>ChopinDeeply influenced by Mozart, wrote a variation on a theme from Don Giovanni.>LisztWrote an essay praising Mozart as one of the greatest composers, directed and conducted the Mozart centenary festival in 1856.>WagnerCalled Mozart "the most tremendous genius", praised him frequently in Cosima's diaries.>BrahmsIdolised Mozart, studied his works deeply.>TchaikovskyConsidered Mozart the greatest composer, dedicated whole works to him.>DvorakLoved Mozart, composed works in his style.>Saint-SaensWorshipped Mozart, played all of his piano concertos in concert.>FauréTook Mozart as his compositional model.>DebussyGreatly admired Mozart.>R.StraussConsidered Mozart the greatest composer, frequently conducted his works.>MahlerHis dying words were "Mozart!", won fame for his brilliant conducting of the composer.>SchoenbergLoved Mozart, claimed to be deeply influenced by him especially in the string quartets.>StravinskyMajorly influenced by Mozart, championed his works.>ProkofievAlso heavily influenced by Mozart's classical style.>RavelConsidered Mozart the most perfect of all composers and one of his greatest influences.>MessiaenDeeply loved Mozart and also considered him the greatest composer.>BrittenAlso adored Mozart and had him as his favourite.
>>129093275>>129093248Keep your sperging in /metal/, this is a general for high IQ individuals and not one for hysterical woman that get offended by everything.
if you don't like Mozart, we can't ever be friends or sleep together, sorry
>>129093316>for high IQ individualsThen how was Chopin listening to Mozart's Requiem on his death bed? A piece that let us not forget, is not even fully Mozart's. So how did Chopin magically have an orchestra transported to his death bed, and why did he pick the one piece that wasn't even fully written by Mozart as the final thing he listened to?Let us all hear the nonsense excuses of the so-called "high IQ individual"!
>cycle standalone symphony releases contain symphony + orchestral work>cycle collection release only contains the symphonieshate when they do this
>>129093340It*s not our fault it's your time of the month, young lady.
>>129093510Thank you low IQ individual.
Godowsky's sonata, haven't really spent much time on his stuff. Side note: absolutely gorgeous artwork for this, much better than the usual covers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf5Urbd44z8&list=PL7I3wkfAukSlLQMQzOdnhg8lE-yzoIh3p
>>129093547Looks like my toilet paper after I wiped my ass after a major diarrhea attack.
You can only "get" Ravel if you chain smoke. I don't want to hear a non smokers opinion on Ravel ever again
>>129093556>>129093778Thank you low IQ individuals.
Trööny
What are the best albums of Ars Nova music, Vitry, Machaut etc?
>>129093150Those are all folk tales with dubious sources
>>129093872In his mind, it was all real
>>129093872Its literally ChatGPT
There's never been a good Italian composer. Prove me wrong
>>129094137Bellini is the greatest opera composer who ever lived. Rossini, Busoni, are better than most Austro-Germans (except only Schumann, Schubert, Beethoven, Mahler, Bruckner). Here, I proved you wrong. Yet you are not intelligent enough to understand, otherwise you would have already.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-TwMfgaDC8
>>129094185>Click link>Some video from 1924 of some lady crooning over a loud hiss with the audience constantly coughingIf thats the best you got I'm going to continue thinking Italian music is shit
Video game composers were able to take the parts of classical that you actually want to listen to and extract the juicy bits for our listening pleasure. Koji Kondo was a genius on the magnitude of Bach
Why is Karajan so controversial here
>>129094232You're boring and your taste is shit.
>>129094518because he was a careerist who recorded a lot of repertoire that didn't play to his strengths to promote himself and shaped the Berlin Phil to his very distinctive sound in the process
>>129094137Palestrina, Monteverdi, Frescobaldi, Vivaldi, Scarlatti, Cherubini, Boccherini, Busoni, Berio, Dallapiccola
Wagner is the torch.
>>129094681>>129094533Correct. >>129094137Melanated post.
Threadly reminder to leave this general if you>you barely know your classics>you tend to believe that if you like a given work, it is justified on an artistic level>you think everyone's opinion should be accepted and respected>you speak a single language>you listen contemporary versions of Bach or Vivaldi>you listen for melody>you listen for entertainment>you rarely listen to atonal music>you don't have a solid grounding in theory>you don't have at least some understand of the three most famous composers of the early 15th century and Monteverdi>you have little to no understanding of classical outside of your cultural horizon>you have little to no understanding of classical within your own cultural horizon>you mostly listen to contemporary music>you believe 'the composer is dead'>you make your musical analysis proceed from ideology>you think intricate counterpoint is 'pretentious' and that the composer 'should just get to the point'>you rarely listen to baroque>you think Rhythm and Harmony is just useless rules and laws restricting creativity>you have a hard time explaining why you like a given work>you have a hard time forming structured and relevant musical criticism>you tend to refuse to judge works for yourself, rather relying on the opinions of critical authorities>you rarely listen (undistracted) for more than one or two hours straight
>>129095070Thank you for the ESL copypaste spam.
>>129095070Hello ChatGPT
>>129095183pretty sure that's an old Tallis bit
>>129095320Hes just calling everything chatGPT to make up for being enough of an embarrassment to believe Chopin was listening to Mozart's Requiem when he died.
I'm becoming suspicious of the average IQ of the posters in the last few threads.>>129095070>>you think intricate counterpoint is 'pretentious' and that the composer 'should just get to the point'lol is that one actually a thing?
>>129095519Why are you asking a question to a copypasta as if the original poster is still here to explain to you?
>>129094518Because he's topdog and 4chan is all about contrarianism. Same way how Bernstein is controversial here.
>>129094286I hate you but that's a funny image tbqh>>129093547didn't know he had one, thanks
>>129095863>t. low IQ individual who doesn't understand 4chan posts are directed toward anyone who reads themIs this dude really asking me this question?
>>129095863>>129095904On second thought, that was a little harsh. I ask partly because if someone reposts a copypasta, it's often (though not always!) an endorsement of its views (even ostensibly satirical, ironic ones!), and partly because, as I said, anyone can read and answer the question and respond to my post.
>>129095878Bernstein was a piece of shit. Horrible person, rotting in hell right now.His Tchaikovsky 6 is great though, can't find any similar interpretations that are as good.
>>129094518He's a pop classicist. Along side Bernstein and Andre Rieu he's basically grandma tier classical. Basically the John Williams of his time
Skalkottashttps://youtu.be/M_WkQ44tCvU
>>129095934*teleports behind you*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPjQXMcoa6s&list=OLAK5uy_m5txNZe83QRu78ECw-wNrUwDAbRiri4zA&index=1>His Tchaikovsky 6 is great though, can't find any similar interpretations that are as good.with NYP or Vienna? If NYP, idk, try any good 6th from any other good cycle ever? If Vienna, if you actually like that sluggish tempo, then god help you -- but also peep Celibidache'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdtKlPGEGgs
Gimmick instrument tier list:>S-tierCannon (Tchaikovsky)>A-tierComedy anime hammer (Mahler)>B-tierCar horn (Gershwin)>C-tierTypewriter (Anderson)What else is notable? Acoustic instruments only, because classical musicians only embarrass themselves when they try to do electronic sound design.
>>129095977>>129095934whoops, made a mistake: turns out Bernstein's horrifically slow tempo'd 6th on DG is with the NYP as well. So I guess the question is, his 6th with Sony or with DG?
>>129095878There are plenty of popular conductors that aren't controversial. Even his own obituary mentions Karajan's style being controversial. Basically every celebrity conductor who recorded way more than their approach could accommodate is similarly divisive, like Bernstein or even Haitink. No one dislikes Szell or Munch in the same way, and they're hardly unpopular or offbeat choice but rather widely loved by critics. It's not contrarianism.>>129095934try Mravinsky
>>129095987>mfwhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/cXpNdhJG0JI
>>129096010>MravinskyI like the 4th and 5th but his 6th is a more standard interpretation.
>>129095904So you are asking others to explain the rhetorical bait used in a stale copypasta? in other words, you are asking the reasoning or validity of an obvious and intentional inflammatory post made by someone who isn't even here, despite knowing full well that the original person only wrote a bunch of junk for the sake of replies. In other words: you are an idiot.>>129095932>if someone reposts a copypasta, it's often (though not always!) an endorsement of its viewsThis is not the case, people repost copypastas that get attention, and mostly ones they know that will annoy others. Large posts are especially liked because its impossible not to notice them. You aren't really smart enough to figure this out, and are naive enough to actually think there is any sort of good faith or belief in copypasta spamming. Instead of just telling the copypasta spammer to fuck off, you think it best to ask him a question, to which if you haven't noticed: he hasn't bothered to answer your question - because he never gave a single shit about whatever was written in the copypasta to begin with.
>>129096037>because he never gave a single shit about whatever was written in the copypasta to begin with.>he doesn't knowOn the contrary, fren, copypastas in this general are most often posted not to troll but to spur some discussion.
>>129096075>copypastas in this general are most often posted not to troll but to spur some discussion.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAH
Horenstein on Mahler, Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Bartok, Janacek, Nielsen and Strauss:https://youtu.be/Gv690IezMCs
>>129095987Stockhausen's helicopters has to be SSS tier.
>>129096106haha :p
>>129095996The slow tempo is the point. I haven't listened to the Vienna one, is it bad?
>>129095934Why? What did he do?
>>129096126I made a mistake, turns out both are with the NYP. But you're talking about the DG one, correct? I mean a lot of people like it, so if you do, kudos, it's just not for me. But you might like that Celibidache one as his tempo and approach is similar.
Ive been looking into the genre, I don't care for smaltzy rachmaninoff piano works and I always don't care for boisterous symphonies where they have a dude smash a huge hammer on a pallet. What left is there?
>>129096144and I also don't care for*Can't find many composers I actually like.
>>129096144https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW4HqFWlDbshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbvuSZBiBqEetc etc
>>129092700> Hopefully that other anon who was interested in trying out some contemporary classical sees this and gives this a try along with me. Fingers crossed it's good!Not the original anon you discussed it with, but I'll give it a try!> Sumera: Symphony No. 1Why first movement goes over from oppressive and depressing to frantic? I dunno, minimalism makes tonal shifts more obvious. Not sure I like it. Now it's very light and slow. I don't trust modern composers to keep it this way. We are still on the first movement. Ok, we managed to end first movement without further tonal whiplashes. God I love celesta. Angelic timbre.Starting second movement. What is this unholy baroque minimalism combination? All over the place. I like to listen to minimalism sometimes - it can be very effective at showing a particular property of music. Are there any good video recordings? Musicians often move in sync (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXJWO2FQ16c) in minimalist pieces, it adds to the experience. What were the last two instruments?Overall liked it. Will revisit sometimes. I'll need a pause before I listen to his 6th.
>>129096144>>129096161oh and also choral music. lots of posters here who only listen to baroque and earlier stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxq3kMArYjo
>>129096139Serial adulterer and libtard
>>129096167kek
>>129096140>you're talking about the DG one, correct?Yes. >I mean a lot of people like it, so if you do, kudos, it's just not for meAh, fair enough. I think it works especially with the last movement.>But you might like that Celibidache one as his tempo and approach is similarI'll give it a listen.
>>129096212For what it's worth, I do revisit those three DG Bernstein recordings every so often in hopes they'll finally click for me, so I haven't completely written them off, but nothing yet so far.
Lot of obnoxious spam in these threads lately, also a lot of music posted that isn't my type. Let's try some Satiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CX1NSswGZQ
>>129096167Polystylistic classical was/is all the rage.
>>129096144Good music (chamber pieces). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWsJcwo5ZfY&list=RDuWsJcwo5ZfY&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urW96pRqP7Y&list=PLj92rkw8BBZOTTMbFua54w9WbUiJC6yz0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cir-k6NILYYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxCk4K5wPPo
>>129096231>three DG BernsteinDid he do Tchaikovsky 4 and 5? I haven't listened to those. p.s. listening to the last movement from Celibidache, have to say it's pretty good
>>129096175Because he was a closeted gay man you apathetic bigot. Fuck off.
>>129096265From my research he seems to have actually been bisexual and there seems to be evidence he had affairs with women as well. Which makes it so much worse.>apathetic bigotInsane leftist.
>>129096264>Did he do Tchaikovsky 4 and 5? I haven't listened to those.yewww.youtube.com/watch?v=KKG5JDo3LgM&list=OLAK5uy_n8qMkiiFbqjcVSwwr25vlDilwl4CcyXR4&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knu6rI0-l_o&list=OLAK5uy_n8qMkiiFbqjcVSwwr25vlDilwl4CcyXR4&index=5+ some of the overtures/orchestral piecesAlso none of these are with the VPO, why did I think that and keep saying that, wtf lol>p.s. listening to the last movement from Celibidache, have to say it's pretty goodglad to hear!
>>129096265>Also included is the 1st part "Veni creator spiritus" from Mahler's 8th Symphony "Symphony of a Thousand". This was performed live back in 1962 at the grand opening of Lincoln Center (then known as Philharmonic Hall). President and Mrs. Kennedy were in attendance, and LB caused a bit of a scandal when he planted a big, Bernstein kiss on Jackie Kennedy backstage after the show.>To all we know about Leonard Bernstein, add this: Not only did the “West Side Story” composer kiss everyone on the lips, but he used his tongue, too — even on his daughter.>“It was a kind of litmus test he liked to spring on people,” writes Jamie Bernstein, the most vocal and (one suspects) most French-kissed of the late maestro’s three children. “My dismay was tempered by knowing he did it to so many others. The intrusion of Daddy’s tongue was an occasion less for revulsion and more for weary eye-rolling.”
>>129096296Why don't you like a slow interpretation of Tchaikovsky's 6th?
>>129096321In short, I think Tchaikovsky's music works best with some verve.
>>129096321>>129096339I don't like Bernstein's later extremely slow Brahms cycle with Vienna either for similar reasons.
>>129096320>The intrusion of Daddy’s tongue was an occasion less for revulsion and more for weary eye-rolling.”
>>129096339I think I agree for his other stuff, but the sixth is a pretty unique piece.
>>129096289Your karen-tier "research" is embarrassing. Here is the letter to Bernstein from his wife, who was aware of his homosexuality before the marriage>You are a homosexual and may never change... I am willing to accept you as you are, without being a martyr... our marriage is not based on passion but on tenderness and mutual respect.>Insane leftist.Big words for a bigot.
>>129096466"Bisexual" didn't even really exist as a term until after the whole gay rights thing. I'm sorry I don't like the fat gross homosexual adulterer leftist Jew. Bernstein was just a repulsive person.
>best looking composer is Ravel: homosexual>best looking conductor is Bernstein: homosexual>best looking pianist is Gould: an autistWhat a twist!
>>129096528Ravel wasn't gay you mongoloid>Bernstein >good looking
>>129096517>I'm sorry, I'm a racist homophobic bigotYou don't say!Bernstein was a homosexual, not a bisexual. You are the most repulsive chud of the thread, get back to >>>/pol/
>>129096565Leonard Bernstein was fucking gross and civil rights ruined America. Sorry. Not sorry.
>>129096528Ravel is far from good looking
>>129096590Go over to >>>/pol/, chud.
>>129096594Did you know he was 5'3"?
>>129096556You think Ravel was straight? There are only two options for him: autist, or homosexual. From what we know, he wasn't an autist. Also Bernstein and Glenn were basically gigamogging the entire classical world their entire lives.
>>129096614Go to >>>/lgbt/ faggot
>>129096621>Also Bernstein and Glenn were basically gigamogging the entire classical world their entire lives.The only reason they had any success.
>>129096594The standards for composers is extremely low and almost all of them are exceptionally ugly, but I disagree that Ravel wasn't good looking, I would like to see what you fags look like in comparison to this.
>>129096621>Also Bernstein and Glenn were basically gigamogging the entire classical world their entire lives.what does that mean
>>129096633Seething little chud you will never belong here, go back >>>/pol/
>>129096621>You think Ravel was straightThere's literally no evidence he was a homosexual. >Also Bernstein and Glenn were basically gigamogging the entire classical world their entire livesKarajan was objectively better looking. And he was a Nazi.
>>129096660>xhes not gigamogging + looksmaxxing and mewpilled Fuaaaaark NGMI bruv
>>129096658Ravel is really fucking ugly though. At least post someone like Busoni or young Rach. Hell even Bartok, Brahms, Tchaikovsky look way better.
>>129096660Oof 4chan is unc status now
This is so obv a chud general it cracks me up you fags think you can pull this bullshit here. Wagner
>>129096683>>129096718pls no bully D:
>>129096669Karajan is a pretty good option too, I'll give you that, but we think Bernstein has a more striking and aesthetic look here. >There's literally no evidence he was a homosexual.Because being a out and about homosexual wasn't like it is today retard. Either he was asexual giga-autist (highly unlikely since he was known as a well dressed socialite in tight circles), or closeted homosexual.
>>129096663Classical is chud music
>This is so obv a chud general it cracks me up you fags think you can pull this bullshit here. Wagner
>>129096710You have the worst aesthetic taste imaginable and your options given are utterly ridiculous.
>>129096747Bernstein was literally the grossest most disgusting looking Jewish creep, at least in his older age. Harvey Weinstein tier. Karajan looked like a normal person.
>>129096758>>129096736Thank you for the cliquespam.
>>129096750Actually Classical is progressive and enlightened music.
>>129096791"Progressivism" is not progressive. It does not progress humanity. It progresses us into third world idiocracy.>enlightened Nobody is less enlightened than a leftist.
>>129096764>young>picture taken seconds before he passes awayTalk about ridiculous.
>Wagner is bad!
no, youtube music, I do not want a clavichord Bach Partitas recommendationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HivQ9AkMOEg&list=OLAK5uy_nyXkf_Owu44joiOLmZVaSko6c2R2zHHnU&index=27
>>129096814>It does not progress humanity.It does, and already did. High morality does not progress us into third world, you already represent the third world.
How did "straight" Gen Z men get so gay? Everyone's now arguing over who the best looking man is.
Schaghajegh Nosrati's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FKpklWBCkE&list=OLAK5uy_mbOVc8ivir_aTsJKLXqx89S4D4hzCB7g8&index=1The best ever recording of Bach's Keyboard Partitas? Quite possibly.
>>129096861Yesterday, they were talking about how it is ok to cry as a man. Absolute faggots.
>>129096781>Bernstein was literally the grossest most disgusting looking Jewish creepYou are thinking of Adorno lol. We have no doubt that Bernstein seemed like a very creepy person, but we are here to speak about aesthetics, and while Karajan is top tier, he is missing a centerpiece highlight to provide the final pop to his face. Bernstein has slightly sharper features and his larger snoz centers it all.
>>129096887He looked fine when he was young, but as he got older he looked more and more disgusting. The outside came to represent the inside.
>>129096828Rach aged like shit, but his young self is literally just a below average slav you might find on the corner of a Russian ghetto addicted to heroin. You just have bad taste and poor judgement for beauty, its ok.
Is it strange I'm obsessed with Bach's WTC but I don't really like his French Suites, English Suites, and Six Partitas all that much?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFgE-htFgg&list=OLAK5uy_lh3gJ0CxtLK6o11AJ49JORIG7CASSuRuM&index=24I could genuinely listen to the WTC on repeat for days but I have trouble getting through a recording of those other three. I ask because you'd think they'd all be pretty similar, no?
The guy talking about men's faces is the closet queer metal tourist, right?
>>129096783You have spammed this 87 times.
>>129096925We've had capitalism for 250 years. This mess only started about 60 years ago. All of the corporations were pushing for more gay rights, more immigration, more sex, more race communism for decades. And now you blame it on the people that were warning you. Ridiculous.
>>129096144https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMTBrHm3FS8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMDlqG7_TSchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT5mglBXzkkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qab8uZUMfRY
>>129096912I would actually say Bernstein aged extremely well, we are all going to look pretty bad eventually, but if I hit old age looking like this I would be very happy.
>>129096926I know you think a lot about "male beauty" faggot
>>129096556Why did they have to touch belly buttons
>>129096969This guy looks like he's gonna rape a 14 year old and then lecture me about racism
>>129096963It*s going to be 870 times by mid year
>>129096942WTC is more abstract, personal. The suites are more showy, extroverted.>>129096964Capitalism is a time bomb and only works with the aid of colonialism.>oh no,the gays get to have rightsFuck off you disgusting chud. It's insane how stupid you are.
>>129096621Even the autists where chads back then
>>129096992Looks based
>>129097006>Capitalism is a time bomb and only works with the aid of colonialismLiteral nonsense. Tell me anon, why did Zimbabwe immediately collapse after it was granted majority rule? Why is the richest country in Africa poorer than the poorest country in Europe? Is that the fault of "colonialism"?>Fuck off you disgusting chud. It's insane how stupid you are.My point is that you agree with the corporations. They say more immigration, you nod your head. They say more sexual promiscuity, you nod your head. They say lenient sentences for black criminals, you nod your head.
>>129097030Damn, to be 16 and see /pol/ for the first time again...
>>129096747Or maybe he was a sociable asexual? Or mildly heterosexual but just not very interested in relationships?
>>129096973We can all have a bad creepy pic, and at 75 years old, we are all going to look like shit (unless you dedicate yourself to keeping healthy, which clearly he never did). Considering Rach looked like a AIDS patient at his ending life, I would still pick Bernstein's old age. Maybe we could say at the very end of their lives Karajan looked better, but for the majority of their lives Bernstein was the mogking.
>>129096167>>129092700Ok, now his Sixth. Slow start but "Andante furioso" in title makes me brace. Lots of banging. Are we building toward something? That's such a nice slow melody starting around 5:00. So far I think it's richer than his First. Sometimes it sounds almost like normal music. Piece did not last.Second movement is somewhat a redo of the first. Honestly a bit repetitive, maybe I should have waited longer.>>129096736Wagnersister must be so happy.
>>129097044Ah yes, deflect with irony. The classic leftist strategy.
There are more classical musicians and listeners now then any point in history, why isn't anyone creating new works?
Ravel was a fag.>Robert Craft, a conductor and Stravinsky’s longtime assistant, writes in his new book, “Stravinsky: Discoveries and Memories,” that the composer had several homosexual affairs — including one with Maurice Ravel — during the years he composed his three great ballets, “The Firebird” (1910), “Petrushka” (1911) and “The Rite of Spring” (1913).>In a chapter in “Discoveries,” Craft writes, “Ravel and Stravinsky were, of all artists, the most successful in concealing their sexuality. The two were time-to-time lovers....” He further states that Stravinsky had affairs with composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov’s eldest son, Andrey, and with the Belgian composer Maurice Delage.
>>129097077OK chuddy buddy, we talk about music here and not what your learned after one beef of le redpills
>>129097030>Is that the fault of "colonialism"?No doubt.>you nod your headGot any more of your... strawmans? You worship those corporations you idiot. There is nothing wrong with being gay, that's how the conversation started, Bernstein was gay and had to suffer through a homophobic culture for no valid reason whatsoever. I don't support any corporation and their incentives, it's you chuds who do that.
>>129097081It's a vicious cycle. The music becomes more academic, the composers compose for a more and more insular audience, the orchestras all play old music, a bunch of Asians memorize the old music, the music becomes more academic, and so on.
>>129097010Glenn is a total engima, how did he get the ultrachad genes as well as the gigaautist mind at the same time?Although the norwood reaper cucked him in the end.
/classical/ says trans rights
I don't like classical music in a reactionary yearning for the past way, or in a wankery pseud manner like those other anons, I like it in a sincere way that makes me better than them
At times like these I think of the Master of Music and Poetry in whose name this general was consecrated. Wagner would not have allowed his discord kittens to grow so unruly. With his integral and organic conception of the artwork he would, while paying the respect due to those composers out of whose genius was formed these pristine instruments of musical understanding, recognize these matters as beneath the dignity of the true artist for whom they are but tools of his unified expression. Come, let us embrace one another as sisters and retreat to the seraglio to repose in profound meditation upon the works of the Master.https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg
watching the NFL playoffs on mute while listening to classical :)
>>129097120Yes.
>>129097081We live in a post-Schoenberg world. You can't simply just ignore him and write a piece that sounds like its from the 18th century, it would be dishonest.
>>129097110>No doubtChina was poorer than sub-saharan Africa in 1980. Today it's like 6 times wealthier. Is that "colonialism"? Is it "colonialism" that Brazil is less successful than Portugal and America is more successful than the UK? It was colonialism that made Zimbabwe POORER after the Africans got control over it? They could've just not persecuted the white Rhodesians and gotten richer, but they didn't. Why?>Got any more of your... strawmans? Do you support remigration? Yes or no.>You worship those corporations you idiot. I disagree with their ideology and want the government to make their business models unviable, but sure, I worship them.
gould playing his favourite composerhttps://youtu.be/pSrqdQY4Hqs
>>129097059was for >>129096992
>>129097081Wagner ended music.
>>129097081For the last fuckin' time, composers still exist. People still go to music school to learn to compose classical music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngY4Bc3hTKw
>>129097177contained in the question is the implication that they're mostly kind of shit
>>129097081Societal decay, females being the dominant population of classical (they kill all innovation wherever they spawn with endless bureaucracy and kitsch), atonality turning the genre into a laughable joke with no self-awareness, and refusal to face the standards of the past ("we can never make another sonata as great as Beethoven's!").Step one would be to finally admit that prescriptive compositions like the tone rows have no place in music.
>>129097193I don't mind if someone doesn't like contemporary classical, I mind if they haven't even tried it and act like it doesn't exist while complaining about it. So seeing people constantly ask "why no more new classical" really triggers me. If you wanna ask why it sucks and you've actually tried more than a handful of contemporary composers, then fine.
>>129097081Because you are expecting some romanticism beethoven tier symphonies when most composers are past that and using modern instruments like synths and composing for 3 minute tracks that people have time to listen to.
>>129097226Those aren't "composers" they're slop producers.
posting some contemporary piano classicalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odm6W3s0HrY&list=OLAK5uy_nA9ZAV8ia8uWAPg70_q0dUFrlhxKj305g&index=1>An ever-growing audience is becoming aware that the pianist and composer Lera Auerbach is a voice to be reckoned with. Championed by musicians such as Gidon Kremer, and recipient of numerous awards, this young Russian musician – now based in the USA – is represented on two BIS discs as a composer, BIS-CD-1242 and the just released 'Ballet for a lonely violinist', BIS-CD-1502. On the first of these can be found the 24 Preludes for violin and piano, which were greeted by one reviewer as a ‘modern masterpiece’ (Chicago Tribune), and earned its composer the following commendation in Gramophone: ‘Auerbach's music is put together with tremendous passion and imagination... the way she welds so many memorable moments into a convincing extended sequence shows a real composer at work’.
>>129097226most contemporary composers aren't using synths, what are you talking about
>>129097217Nobody listens to contemporary. That in and of itself is a problem.
>>129097254Which is a genuine complaint and fair question to pose.
>>129097081This is like asking why no one composed baroque in the 1800s
>>129097238I don't hate Jews, but I want American institutions to be run by Americans (Germano-Celtics). Is that too much to ask for?
>>129097254>>129097217I gave it two hours of searching yesterday to find 1 (one) decent piano piece from the 2020's, and found 0 (zero). Its fucking bad out there, this genre is dead as fuck.
>>129097153>Today it's like 6 times wealthier.And they also control their own land and resources, unlike African countries which are STILL to this day colonized.>America is more successful than the UK?In your dreams.You are illiterate early stage /pol/chud.>Yes or no.This is not a yes or no question, and too complicated for chudbrains. I do support stronger border policy.>I worship them.The only true statement thus far.
>>129097274...huh? Dvorak moved to the US. Stravinsky moved to the US.
>>129097081If you haven't noticed, more of something doesn't mean better. We live in the age of pluralism, technology-fetishism, and mass culture. It's gay and retarded and 99% of everything is shit.
>>129097284see: >>129097238Are you sure you know how to look? You're checking music review sites and arts & culture articles about contemporary classical?
>>129097284If you're serious in wanting to discover modern/contemporary classical, peep this blog I came across yesterday. I'm sure it contains a wealth of information.https://classicalmodernmusic.blogspot.com
>>129097244Not strictly classical but popular music in general like ambient, art pop etc. People who would be considered "classical" if this was a hundred years ago but the divide between high brow and low brow has long since dissolved
>>129097289>Dvorak moved to the USNo he didn't. He died in Prague. Are you thinking of Rachmaninoff?>Stravinsky moved to the USHey man at least he was a Christian.
Richter's Innsbruck WTC just clicked :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHLbNhFdoeo&list=OLAK5uy_lh3gJ0CxtLK6o11AJ49JORIG7CASSuRuM&index=7I don't know if I'd go as far to say it's better than his more famous recording, but I can at least appreciate its greatness.
>>129097315Yeah now everything's low brow. Great job.
Ah, LA, one can't walk down the boardwalk without the symphonies of Schoenberg or the concertos of Rachmaninoff springing to mind (Both LA natives, Go Dodgers!). Truly the city of classical music.
heard the postman whistling Schoenberg this morning
>>129097111the worst part of it isn't even that it's particularly academic (the peak of serialism was the midcentury). this kind of thing >>129097238 is hardly academic. it just rejects lyricism while retaining the studied austerity of the 20th century
>>129097341America is the last country on earth I would ever associate with classical music. Ethiopia has more in common with classical music - probably due to nature - than America does.
A lot of contemporary classical music is very good but youre all a bunch of tasteless and ignorant retards
>>129097297>see:See what? Some pseudo-tonal late Scriabin-esque copypaste miniatures minus the contrapuntal skills and adding a whole lot more droney left hand banging with a whole lot less grace? We regret once again clicking on a female link. If you must listen to nonsense like this, we suggest Hamelin over this 10th rate female. Specifically the Barcarolle might interest you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STLGIapdzoQ&list=PLsUQ1iTYBB1XUmeXECgMzX5QE265ZxOjG&index=19
>>129097350>it just rejects lyricismSo it's garbage.
>>129097353You're going a little far with this one anonhttps://youtu.be/izQsgE0L450One of the most famous classical pieces out there, composed by an ethnic American.
posting more contemporary classical, this time for violin and pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHy9Ba8eUQs&list=OLAK5uy_ki1I3bLkn8xTZ5a4HXXmBoWvBtup6OCkU&index=1>A Renaissance artist for our times, Lera Auerbach is internationally renowned as a composer whose exquisitely crafted, emotional, and boldly imaginative music reaches a global audiences. Her 24 Preludes for Violin and Piano is a cycle of compact but ‘meaningful and complete’ works that follows the key scheme of Chopin’s 24 Préludes, while exploring stark contrasts that range from primordial darkness to naïve innocence. Using a highly original tonal language with clear references to classical traditions, this pioneering work fully represents Auerbach’s ability to put music at the service of a broader expression of human need and fallibility.>>129097365how about we support both
>>129097341A Jewish and a Russian composer. Nothing more American.
>>129097372Cheesy slop.
>>129097286>African countries which are STILL to this day colonized.
>>129097376These contemporary composers sure love their Bartok.
>>129097365>We regret once again clicking on a female link.You write like Gollum
>>129097384Alright anon what Ethiopian music is better kek
>>129097341Don't forget Stravinsky.
>>129096320LMAO
>>129097376>how about we support bothWe would prefer neither, although Hamelin is at least acceptable quality, probably because all the esoteric pianst-composers rubbed off on him during his time memorizing and playing them endlessly. This Lera character is of a droney nature who can't seem to help herself pressing the same notes over and over again for the course of an entire piece, for this latest case she does so for both hands instead of just the left. We do not respect this level of compositional skill here. >>129097411We would ask that you keep the female hysteria to a minimum here.
>>129097424Another Russian. Hardly representative of America.
What was that Mozart composition, Licken meine arse or something?
>>129097454America is and always has been a nation of immigrants.
>>129097392Anon is not even aware that the Europeans and Americans are still extracting resources from other nations in exchange for printed paper and "democratic values". I mean, do you even know what happened just a couple of days ago? Are you living under a rock or something? It's still colonisation, no matter how the imperialists try to frame it.
>>129097363Post some. So far all you ever post to us is minimalist slop, kitsch nonsense, or unlistenable atonal garbage that we have had nearly 100 years to figure out is never going to sound good.
>>129097420https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u2z2MQohOA
>>129097484Settlers, not immigrants. And Russians don't really have much to do with America honestly. Poles more so.
>>129097488We did the same thing to South Korea but it's a prosperous country.
Why hasn't the rentry been updated since 2018
>>129097515>>129097515>WeYou didn't do shit. Your capitalist overlords and their puppet government caused division and war everywhere they went. And South Koreans are on the verge of extinction with no sovereignty. Meanwhile North Koreans have nuclear weapons.
>>129097551North Korea is a protectorate of China. Different master, same game.
>>129097551Correct. Amerimutts and their imperialist global financial culture terror is hated here.
>>129097561It needs no protection, it has full sovereignty, unlike South Korea. Stupid little chud.
>>129097580>China's economic assistance to North Korea accounts for about half of all Chinese foreign aid.lolNorth Korea has a 1400% trade deficit with China.
>>129097602>>129097580>>129097561While we are more tolerant of off topic posts than some, we find this discussion to be very boring and not one "outside of time", but rather very much inside of time. We suggest a more philosophical discussion next time, and to leave the modern politics and economic numbers at the lowbrow door of /leftypol/ and /pol/.
>>129097602>>China's economic assistance to North Korea accounts for about half of all Chinese foreign aid.You pulled that info out of your ass. Chuds are impressively stupid. It's funny how you pretend America cares about its vassal states. SK would get dumped and squashed if (or rather, when) US empire finally dies out.
>>129097656You think China cares about their protectorates?
>>129097681Now why don't you take that and your rampant low IQ bigotry over at >>>/pol/
>>129097704I like China actually
>>129097704>>129097681>>129097656>>129097730We would prefer if you both leave for >>>/pol/ together.
>>129097730Nobody cares.
>>129097736Correct. No on cares about this very poor conversation. We do care about the absolute state of our female moderator, and wonder where she is right now. We do no ask for bans, but this entire chain ought to be deleted, as it is highly uninteresting.
/classical/ ~ semantics, politix, religion (and nocturnal emissions)
>>129097757>We do no ask for bans,That's unavoidable if the chain is deleted
>>129097787Incorrect. Ever since the sharty cuckset our glorious female mod has learned at least how to delete posts instead of just instantly banning things. In general they are much more hands off, which we prefer. We are hoping in the future she can also learn to hire someone with a chin for a janitorial position. As pic related failed to meet those requirements. Then she can learn how to actually moderate properly, such as by doing things like punishing people that aren't just whatever offends her and her discord clique of janitors. If you can't tell by basically every thread, she is absolutely awful at her job. Although this general is less spammed by her clique than others.
>>129097871We would prefer you find more entertaining ways of making this comment.
I don't hate niggers when they do nigger things for the same reason that I don't hate dogs when they bark and bite.
>>129097877Now we would prefer you to be banned here for being boring and of low intelligence.
>R. relates that it was maintained in the Musikalische Zeitung that he (R.) was no true musician; the proof of that could be seen in his never having ventured into the field of the symphony. “Well,” R. says, “I should like to know who has ever written a symphony, except for Beethoven! How idiotic to make a generic term out of one man’s most individual characteristic, as if everybody had to write symphonies like that.”
>>129097964I like the part of Ride of the Valkyraes where the big horns come in like "Bwaaa bwaaa bwaa bwaaa bwaaahh". What other music should I listen to by him, does he have any good symphonys?
>>129098062The Flying Dutchman Overturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P4Risj_WyM
>>129098125Is this actually from Wagner?
>>129098230do you look like a rat?
>>129097964Life without Wagner is like a woman without a vagina, "useless".
Classical music is fundamentally tied to mathematics which is apparent from the earliest isorhythms of western music. The first composers were mathematicians.
If Chopin's Preludes were twice as long, they'd be the greatest piano work of all-time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXYIteAfNs
>>129098442physics actually. a lot of advanced mathematics is just wankery not tied to the real world.
We need a new high budget, high quality Roussel symphony cycle NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00n4z_AuLiI
>>129097081Back in Mozart days the king would come up to you and ask you to do it and give you the money. No one is being paid to write symphonies therefore there are none
>>129097090based
>>129097309Listened to a few works from there, and it was a bunch of hacks reaching into their pianos to tap strings and then add some atonal minimalist notes afterwards. The modern classical scene is diseased and rotten to its core, there is literally no good music coming out.
now playingstart of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 1 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJP-AS-ZDtY&list=OLAK5uy_lgt8NFzmgeW00wiLhhWhNgKrB8HPUQvWM&index=2start of Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G Minor, Op. 40https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8rx53KOyjQ&list=OLAK5uy_lgt8NFzmgeW00wiLhhWhNgKrB8HPUQvWM&index=5Rachmaninoff: Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, Op. 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQziX6yDptE&list=OLAK5uy_lgt8NFzmgeW00wiLhhWhNgKrB8HPUQvWM&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lgt8NFzmgeW00wiLhhWhNgKrB8HPUQvWM
>>129098745>bunch of hacks reaching into their pianos to tap strings and then add some atonal minimalist notes afterwards.kek basedThanks for giving some of it a try.
Do I have to name my concerto after a scale or is it optional?
>>129099121>Butchered version of the fourthNot listening!
>>129099177Optional ofc
This is such a wonderful piece, of everything Alkan I've listened to I love his symphony and the sonatine the most. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZZi_Uw-2yU
>why aren't people still composing mu- ach!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBkTkxKDduc
>>129082728You say this but there was the whole baroque era
Hurwitz is a troll
