remember when millennials ruled online music discourse and terms like "hipster" and "meme rap" were everywhere? what the fuck was that about
>>129171773Nobody talked about "meme rap" outside of here
>>129171824not really. in any case though i'm mainly talking about this board
yeah, see, it used to be that different generations would have different interests and preoccupations, and they would also use a distinctive vocabulary to talk about those things. I know nothing has changed since culture ended in the mid 2010s so zoomers might not realise things like that would slowly alter over time, but I assure you its true.
>>129171861Its called having board culture. Those terms were a natural reaction to the ever changing zeitgeist
>>129172122OP has a point. /mu/ was characterized by accusing artists and their fans of being "hipsters" some 10-15 years ago. Usually made no sense in retrospect. It was usually actual hipsters using that word the most too
>>129172111you guys sounded like faggots who desperately wanted to be pitchfork writers
>>129171773we used to have fun
>>129172278insults are mostly projections. you can understand a lot about a person just by understanding what they use to insult another person .
>>129171824they talked about it, they just didn't use meaningless labels like "meme rap"
>>129172326Yeah exactly. "Hipster" was the favorite word of every cynical P4K-worshipping hipster back then. It was ridiculous lmao
>>129171773Charli xcx - Brat is the new cool.
>>129172396okay so I know to avoid it then
>>129172309Its fascinating how anti-intelectualism your generation is. Ive seen countless examples of this generation finding creativity, curiosity and intelligence as threatening and something that should be shamed
>>129172450more like millennials got high off their own farts and thought their shit didn’t stink (it does)
>>129172469Its fucking crazy how backyards your entire generation is.
>>129172487we are the future, old man
>>129171773We were the culturally influential young generation for a while, like most generations for a short period of time? Especially amplified by the early internet. I don't get what you are confused about
>>129172492You're all incels who won't have children. Doubt it.
>>129172508better than spreading the disease like your generation did
>>129172492what future? you're just a castrated rehash of the past.
>>129171773this was just unc things wh ocares
>>129172512Whatever man. Anti-natalism is just a copium pill for people who can't accept they're losers.
>>129172450extremely rich coming from the generation who loved spamming the words "pretentious" and "hipster" in response to "creativity, curiosity, and intelligence" in the art world
>>129171773Meme rap is everything zoomers like and it's still true
>>129172560>it’s all about status for our generation K
It's really funny every time I see the word "hipster" on here it's obvious zoomers have no idea who was using it, who was actually seen as hipster, who would be offended by it, and what it even referred to
>>129172731Alright enlighten us old mate
ITT: millennials trying to act like they didn't just really enjoy hating music and trying to look tasteful
>>129172731>>129173090He's referring to this gaslighting copypasta:“Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “hipster” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “hipster” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!” - so you project those feelings.Suffice it to say, no one self-identifies as a hipster; the term is always applied to an Other, to separate the authentic Us from the inauthentic, “ironic” Them.tl;dr If you think you are a hipster, hate hipsters or even believe in them you're a pleb
>>129172731Every time I see them talk about the 00s/10s, it feels like an elementary or middle schooler's interpretation of the world. Everything is so simple, black and white. They don't know what they don't know but will gladly tell you the one correct way to think about the past.
>>129173139i mean yeah. we were in elementary/middle school in the late 00s and early 10s. what an astute observation
>>129173120Fuck you beat me to it
>>129173177The observation is that your viewpoint remains stuck with that childish interpretation of the world with no ability to reflect and refine it based on life experience since then
>>129173180This pasta, if you ask me, nailed it:/mu/ has no interest in music other than as social capital. They consume enough music that their ability to appreciate the art becomes atrophied and the main goal is to listen to more obscure stuff.They are remarkably in love with off-kilter pop music for a board full of people who take pride in their passion for experimental music, and arguments devolve into interminable baiting between "it's boring" / "no, it's good" / "no, it's shit" because nobody has any basic knowledge of music theory or ability to articulate their opinions beyond "feels."The few informed listeners of academic music spend their time signaling to the rest of the board and leverage their taste for fifteen minutes of online pseudo-notoriety./mu/ consists of people who aren't as weird as they like to think but use their ample free time and piracy to invest in a hobby that makes them feel special or sophisticated, allowing them to compensate for their lack of social skills and failures in concrete or academic pursuits.The biggest irony is that the vast majority of /mu/ is a hivemind ruled by a handful of online tastemakers mostly concerned with maintaining a balance between supporting "alternative" pop that will appeal to misunderstood teenagers and maintaining street cred among bored college students who constantly seek out "experimental" music for their mild amusement, negating the cultivation of individual taste or critical thinking in relation to music.It's a feedback loop of posturing, masturbatory attitudes, and enough layers of irony to suffocate any hope of meaningful conversation. This last element--irony--is vital to allowing /mu/ and similar collectives to ignore the reality of their situation and disregard posts as this one with little more than tongue-in-cheek one-word responses. One-word critiques of albums: "This album is boring" and nothing else.Deep down you all know you're going nowhere in life and this is all a farce
>>129173251It's over shut the board down
>>129173301This pasta is 13 years old. It did rattle some /mu/tants but others persisted. You can have the wittiest lines and others will still act like nothing happened. Something something agility of tongues or virtuosity of lying something something.
>>129173251this is exactly what i was referring to when i made the thread>/mu/ has no interest in music other than as social capitaltrue today but it was even more true a decade ago. that's really all i was getting at when i singled out millennials specifically
the real truthnuke is that niggas who spend too much time worrying about generational labels are some weak ass bitch ass motherfuckers if y'all picking up what I'm laying down. that shit ain't real, just another way for the oligarchs to divide the people. fight over gender wars, fight over culture wars, fight over generational differences, but never fight the real enemy.
>>129173251Tastelet cope>you only like the music that you do because it's cool
>>129173362As I mentioned in another thread, a big part of the problem is the same albums are discussed ad infinitum. You can only retread the same points so many times until exhaustion.
>>129173404Zoomers are on the side of capital thoughever
>>129173404I really don't subscribe to generational astrology because people are ultimately products of their place and time. Ecclesiastes 1:9 applies very much here.>That which has been is what will be, >That which is done is what will be done, >And there is nothing new under the sun.
>>129173413That was actually a reasonable assumption to make on pre-2016 /mu/
>>129173465Especially given all the needless hostility towards metalheads during that era. It's like every /mu/tant wanted to outdo Dr. David Thorpe.
>>129173251/mu/tants were, for the longest time, stuck in a cycle of pretending to like music that made them look cool while also accusing others of doing the same - this was the worst board on the site for years for that exact reason
Low quality discussion and the discussion of the same albums over and over was never the fucking problem. This was the case during peak /mu/ aswell. Low quality meme threads were also never the problem, it was all low quality meme threads during peak /mu/. I hate this revisionism that portrays old /mu/ as this high quality bastion full of discussion. It was always the spam of the same old albums, /mu/core, the same music memes, the same low quality bait threads, bigotry and pretentiousness. But they were our meme albums, /mu/core meant to mean something even outside of /mu/, it was our memes that we created and our unique bait threads. The board had culture and the culture progressed and gained new things every week until it didnt anymore. Why? Because we got older, our music scene died, culture shifted, the internet as a whole changed.
>>129173527>I hate this revisionism that portrays old /mu/ as this high quality bastion full of discussion. It was always the spam of the same old albums, /mu/core, the same music memes, the same low quality bait threads, bigotry and pretentiousness.That's not how the first 2 years of the board were
>>129173251/mu/ is interchangeable with every other board on this godforsaken wasteland in this regard. it applies to the likes of /v/, /tv/, /a/, and pretty much every other board, whose denizens are primarily concerned with fitting in and acting like they've got a superior taste over normalfags or other appointed lessers."high school never ends"
>>129171773Meme rap is a Zillennial meme
>>129171773>>129171773reminds me of that novel that always gets quoted:"The seething din of millennials faded into the warming night, their cries of "the Beatles fucking suck" and "Boomers are to blame for all my failings" were dampened to silence by the mist, and drown by the morning dew.But they'd be awake by early afternoon, only to start the plaintive ritual again; the melancholy wailing bouncing off the backlit screens and cereal boxes surrounding them, while members of other generations, working, raising families, contributors all, heard nothing of it. The local flora turned as deaf an ear as the fauna, and the cloudless sky, too; and so continued the spiteful blameful opera voiced by the directionless adherents of America's voluntary class of malding malaisial millennials."-- Magnus Olympus, from The Saddest Clowns in the Worldmillennial generation? no ma'am, not even once
>>129173120That pasta is more right than wrongThat era is long gone after 2012-2014 though. We've all flattened into one flavorless paste of an internet
>>129171773Its kinda crazy how meme rap like Lil B' Kreayshawn Migos and Deathgrips not only became mainstream but fostered offspring.Goes to show how far from grace music fell.>>129173552I thought most people here were just curmudgeons, guess just me.
>>129173527Yeah, no, old /mu/ was definitely better and much more varied than nu/mu/. The definitive death of the board came after poptimism became the norm in music reviewing, so people with terrible, generic taste felt welcome to talk about Sabrina Carpenter, k-pop and Olivia Rodrigo and were accepted for it. Before, you used to have users with extremely unique taste and you would get mocked for being generic (a "pleb", as the uncs used to say), and that made the board elitist in a way that was actually positive for the discourse, instead of rewarding mediocrity and fitting in like it happens in nu/mu/.There's also the fact that things like good generals (bleep), and threads (sharethreads), were common and not dominated by one or two faggot mods. Add to that the fact that this place was actually always on the cutting edge in regards to new music (pioneering Death Grips, Yung Lean, etc., back when nobody knew who those guys are), and you can see how low /mu/ has fallen since about 2019 onwards.
>>129173548But the first 2 years of the board weren't really the peak of /mu/, were they? I'm pretty sure when people here talk about the peak of /mu/ its somewhere in the timeframe of 2009-2014 when it had the most activity and cultural impact. Especially 2011 & 2012 were insane on this board and it was definitely a shitshow back then. And that was 15 years ago, so if you want to say now that it was already shit back then, then idk why we are talking about it now still 15 years later.
>>129172623The fact of the matter remains that the original /mu/tants cared about music history and discovering music outside of the normiesphere which is on complete contrast to this generation that demands everything in their life be curated to fit the rym/reddit hivemind. Its a total embarrassment and a disgrace to this board
>>129173655Didnt say it wasn't better, of course it was better look at this site now dude. But low quality discussion or the discussion of the same albums over and over just isn't the cause of this downfall. That idea is bullshit. The original people who felt at home in this whole online zillenial hipster music scene just got old and moved on and all that was left behind here is the wpop, kpop and niche /metal/ or whatever guys. And thats why it sucks here now, and we are the only people from back then left that feel like this could come back just by i guess starting better threads? nah.
>>129173704>But the first 2 years of the board weren't really the peak of /mu/, were they?They were11 and 12 it was already over, overrun by children
>>129173766Well then I sadly have to tell you that 15 years have passed even since that shitty periode of /mu/, and that the children from 2011/12 are now grown adults with kids themselves. Time to move on if the /mu/ you yearn for is even further back than that lmao.
>>129173746You're a glorified art hoe
>>129173577qualitypost
>>129171773Remember how everyone calls each other chuds, incels, troons, and foids now instead of discussing music? What the fuck is up with that?
>>129174086Pleb/patrician dichotomy was far superior. Seriously. At least it was a taste based hierarchy and not identity shit.
>>129173877aka a hipster, you know that thing people on /mu/ used to call each other. always was always will be
>>129174086i'd take that over 2015 Carly Rae Jepsen feetposting any day
>>129173251>The biggest irony is that the vast majority of /mu/ is a hivemind ruled by a handful of online tastemakers mostly concerned with maintaining a balance between supporting "alternative" pop that will appeal to misunderstood teenagers and maintaining street cred among bored college students who constantly seek out "experimental" music for their mild amusement, negating the cultivation of individual taste or critical thinking in relation to music.Bro where do you get this shit from lmao this sounds like nonsense, I don't think there is a single person like this
>>129174265You weren't there during those days and it shows. The patrician/pleb in-group/out-group dichotomy was very real and loads of /mu/tants eagerly strove to be included.
>>129174265what a funny way to out yourself as a complete newfag. that's a perfectly apt description of what /mu/ was like before 2016
>>129172450Intellectuals are worthless scum of society
I always liked the term poser more than hipster
>>129171773Is that the guy from Salem?
>>129174448Why? Don't tell me, "thinking is gay", "education is gay", "real men are slaves to the system"?
>>129174468The university intellectuals also play an important role in carrying out the System's trick. Though they like to fancy themselves independent thinkers, the intellectuals are (allowing for individual exceptions) the most oversocialized, the most conformist, the tamest and most domesticated, the most pampered, dependent, and spineless group in America today. As a result, their impulse to rebel is particularly strong. But, because they are incapable of independent thought, real rebellion is impossible for them. Consequently they are suckers for the System's trick, which allows them to irritate people and enjoy the illusion of rebelling without ever having to challenge the System's basic values.Because they are the teachers of young people, the university intellectuals are in a position to help the System play its trick on the young, which they do by steering young people's rebellious impulses toward the standard, stereotyped targets: racism, colonialism, women's issues, etc. Young people who are not college students learn through the media, or through personal contact, of the "social justice" issues for which students rebel, and they imitate the students. Thus a youth culture develops in which there is a stereotyped mode of rebellion that spreads through imitation of peers—just as hairstyles, clothing styles, and other fads spread through imitation.
>>129174468No one is immune to propaganda. Read Gustave Le Bon's book on The Crowd.
>>129174423>>129174327Yes I'm kind of a newfag (like 4/5 years) I thought you were talking about the state of the board today
>>129174468I wish i was this naive again.
>>129174483Anyone who uses "oversocialized" as an insult is not worth taking seriously. In fact, you'd probably have a better job inatead of posting on 4chan in the middle of the day if you were "oversocialized" enough to make it through an interview.
>>129174572It's from a Ted Kaczynski essay
>>129174572t. Oversocialized NPC
>>129174465yes
>>129174572>t. guy posting on 4chan in the middle of the day
>>129174468They hurt people in deep Dunning Kruger feelings.
>>129174483This is very accurate and well written so I'm going to assume it's copypasta or AI.
>>129174327the pleb/patrician thing was mostly harmless banter and a way to weed out a casual listener vs someone who takes the hobby seriously. there weren't strict rules dictating what someone should listen to and everyone was encouraged to be an individual. i think your perception of the way /mu/ used to be comes off as shallow and naive
>>129174572You are a retarded shithead. Oversocialized faggot
inter-generational warfare is retarded, we all know our real enemy is the boomers
>>129173465>>129173504its incredible to me that you people literally can't comprehend that people genuinely enjoy discovering new and different kinds of music underground or otherwise and that people find fulfillment in doing so. you people are so pompous in you're broad generalizations because you're jealous fags that other people are more knowledgeable and have better taste than you. and imagine still being buttblasted that you got trolled for your taste on a internet forum over 10 years ago. get a grip losers, you will never be patrician
