Chad Schumann editionhttps://youtu.be/arV8Rnj1Ip8This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129225925
>>129236173don't make me tap the sign.
>>129236181>>129236198get a room.
Finally some actual music discussion
I rewatched the Quantum of Solace Bond film and the scene juxtaposing action with a performance of Puccini's Tosca in modern design was super sick -- made me wish they showed more of the opera! Anyhow, gonna listen to it and more Puccini.
Any good AI classical YouTube channels? Looking to listen to new music instead of just the old stuff
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GLrRLJu2BE
reposting cuz' last thread got flooded:on the piano v. pianoforte debate, here's a nice comparison: let's use Schiff's Schubert D.960from his first cycle on Decca with a reg. pianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzgXmSvgFeg&list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098s&index=60from his new ECM set on fortepianohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxjtirz6wZo&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=17idk the fortepiano sounds like it's being played on a synth/MIDI or somethin', plus there's less color. but at least people can make up their own minds. actually, while I've got it open, let's compare the D. 935, No. 1 Impromptudeccahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavxnkTAVrM&list=OLAK5uy_nsltih8wVLi9KNjAYQOcScithe3hn098s&index=87ecmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK12pgQ7Qv0&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=13easy choice for me but ofc one's mileage may vary
>>129236256More of a theremin guy myself, don't really care about anything in your post
>>129236292Pseudosloppa post
>>129236292but isn't that as lazy as me responding "you only prefer the fortepiano because it's contrarian!" which of course you'd respond with "oh no, see, I *actually* prefer the sound of mind"you get meanyway I only made my post so others can make up their own mind, I don't want newcomers to think they have to like the fortepiano to fit in or be patrician or w/e -- you force me to provide counterbalance!
>look up review for Wagner recording that came out in recent years, this case Parsifal in 2017>without a doubt, review ends with something like "while this was fine, it doesn't begin to compare with [hiss recording] from 1962"every time
>>129236323I posted side-by-side recordings of the same work by the same pianist (with the fortepiano performance having the benefit of age and wisdom!), it doesn't get more unbiased than thatbut again, I was only providing a counterbalance to your posts.
>>129236347That's not bias, that's my opinion.
Damn, Leontyne Price is still alive at 98 years old
beethoven
>>129236547The Missa Solemnis
>>129236554truoff the dome top 10, 1-26-261. missa solemnis2. string quartet no. 143. symphony no. 94. string quartet no. 155. piano sonata 29, 'hammerklavier6. violin concerto7. symphony no. 38. piano concerto no. 5, 'emperor'9. string quartet no. 1310.violin sonata no. 9, 'kreutzer'
>>129236579correction: swap out #10 for the Piano Trio No. 7, 'Archduke' -- sorry, Kreutzer Sonata
not interested in classical because I want the exact specific recording and not whichever random orchestra and sometimes the exact specific recording is ultra rare and borderline impossible to find. Half the audience for this stuff just listens to shuffled playlists anyways, so how can they claim to have discerning taste? In my opinion discerning taste means picking for yourself and being your own curator, which is simply too tall of a task when there is this much difficulty involved.
>>129236653What's the 'exact specific recording' and why does it have to be hard to find?
What do you guys think of Haydn's The Seasons?
>Could have had a thread dedicated to Kazuhito Yamashita>Instead we got le epic maymay old country for no men faceThis general gets worse with each iteration
>>129236890Pretty good. Not as good as his The Creations or best masses, obviously, but for a secondary work for variety, it's nice.
>>129236897I'd prefer Akio Yashiro
>>129236897Chad Schumann
>>129236790more than once I was looking through various websites looking for music to listen to, and there was orchestra music I was interested in trying, but then I couldn't find that anywhere not even through piracy. Totally killed my interest. Same with comic books, you heard there's a new book out that's supposed to be good and go to the store and they say sorry we've only got issue 3 and 4. I just heard it was new last week and I already can't get a copy? Old outdated media format not intended for the modern era, no attempt made to adapt, its on them.
Always get goosebumps when this one comes uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCQREblQzFE
Are we David Hurwitz fans?
The best thing Liszt ever did was write transcriptions for actually good music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9sWSZJlkcM&list=PL0tkG0S-_tkVzi8EDlnu8c5UBZv2eEAeY&index=3>>129237099We hate that eceleb here.
>>129236998Just listen to Beethoven, Tchaikovsky symphonies, or any of the big names. The famous conductors like Karajan. Soon you'll be hooked and know what to explore and how. Since you're here, you still want to get into the music, so might as well just ask the questions straight away instead of wobbling around.Dave Hurwitz's channel has a bunch of videos specifically for newbies. Composers, pieces, musical structures/forms, orchestras/recordings recs etc. anything you're curious about. Here:>beginner symphonieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUkpWt4ZQRs&list=PLAjIX596BriH_zrQze2Baqz0RwtqxR5SS>beginner basicshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKw3q36EPUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcvYwUrPQ0&list=PLAjIX596BriH_zrQze2Baqz0RwtqxR5SS&index=9
>>129237123thank you metalimbecile
>>129237099I prefer the word disciple.
>>129237123Late Liszt is the greatest romantic composer.
>>129237180Better than midtner for sure
Footwork needs to become standard again in keyboard instrumentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUbKE_INQgQ
>>129237152thank you metalimbecile
>>129237180Greatest embarrassment perhaps, although Wagner has him beat in that regard in my opinion. Realisticaly what does late Liszt offer, a bunch of whole tone, parallel fifth, and other assortment of gimmick pieces?
>>129237196Correct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDl-v_sD2uM
>>129237215no one wants to hear your shenanigans here, metalimbecile.
>>129237215if not late Lizst then who?
>>129237235His contemporary Alkan.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ZNMQ4neJM
>>129237170enough with the garbage spam, metalimbecile.
>>129237252why are you retarded?
>>129237264Whoops meant to reply to >>129237152
>>129237267samefag.
>>129237252>>129237261>>129237267metalimbecile, we get it, you're super cool. now, why don't you head back to >>>/metal/ and leave this general alone?
>>129237284it's futile. you're asking a rat to return to a sinking ship.
>>129237284When are you going to stop replying to random people about your /metal/ boyfriend? Might I add its increasingly obvious that you are also from there and you two have some sort of /metal/ rivalry no one here gives a single flying fuck about. Both of you should fuck off and die.
>>129237303dear moron, I see you're struggling with basic pattern recognition here, but he's the only one flooding threads with random replies and intentionally trolling the entire general. in case you haven't noticed, his shlocks are: medtner, alkan, fortepiano, romanticlown, pictures with facial paintings, and all the spam you see, it's all him seething and replying to himself over and over.
>>129237334Thank you baby metal boy
>>129237334Dear /metal/ tourist, why do you pretend like we don't know you are the spammer here who has done nothing but start religion bait or flood the thread about Chopin, golden age pianists, Marias Callas, hating anything besides romantic era music, and now your epic battle with your /metal/ boyfriend? That same boyfriend who you riled up enough to post your entire /metal/ incel chud history for us to see, yet you'll still sit here pretending to be one of us like the poseur you are.
>>129237350>Dear /metal/ tourist, now why don't you take your blogposting to >>>/metal/ and leave this thread?
>>129237349>>129237360time to go back to /metal/ imbecile schizo
>>129237360take it to >>>/metal/ metalimbecile
>>129237378Thank you metalimbecile schizo.
>>129237180Liszt is shit
>>129237396take it >>>/metal/ and leave this thread metalimbecile
>One day at Wagner’s Villa Wahnfried, Liszt -- who was probably the greatest pianist that ever lived -- was playing the piano. Wagner suddenly got on his hands and knees, crawled up to the piano and said “Franz, to you people should come only on all fours.” When asked about his own ridiculously clumsy fingering at the piano, Wagner would reply: “I play a lot better than Berlioz!” (who could not play at all).
Bruckner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dET_Q446dM
>>129237427We're all cattle to Liszt
>>129237633Thank you metalimbecile schizo.
>BOOM BOOM BOOMME ANTON BRUCKNER>BOOM BOOM BOOM
The *real* Big 3 B's>BrucknerGreatest contrapuntist>BergGreatest Mahlerian>BoulezGreatest serialist
>>129236907What are Haydn's best masses?
Where is this melody from?https://youtu.be/GzBOSnFks6U?si=zNcO5q0UxnLGDyDO&t=83I know this piece but can't put my finger on it. It's so frustrating.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's Turandot conducted by Zubin Mehta.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFh0-oVq72Y&list=OLAK5uy_mwggE6GcH2bQ3npLCi0Mj1rPaAt2hRBgY&index=1>Joan Sutherland is not usually considered a Puccini singer, and in fact she sang the role of Turandot only in the recording studio. But for that assignment she had exactly what was needed: a voice that seemed to have no upper limits and a personality that concealed vulnerability under an air of icy detachment. She also had an ideal set of colleagues, notably Luciano Pavarotti, whose "Nessun dorma" has become practically his signature tune. --Joe McLellan
Popper's cello etudes are sweet and charming, like Bach's cello suites. If anyone is interested:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5adm_A9DFV0&list=OLAK5uy_n91THXcQLZorPtTN0z2ZaJJyUGMnf2lU0&index=2
>>129237794The left hand is supposed to have a clear place in the sound, during Schumann's time he would have probably played on an actual fortepiano which would have MORE articulation than even an Erard - which is what that performer used - because a true fortepiano has timbral differences between each register (growling bass, warm mid, and bright highs), as well as shorter sustain.Nor is a lack of articulation ever a sought-after effect; after all, no one creates pianos where each register are placed atop of each other to be as muddy as possible. That would be absurd, articulation is ALWAYS sought after, although projection carries a higher value for concert performance.
>>129239122oh, pseudslop is back on the menu
Brahms violin sonatas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXoVzEQVJSg&list=OLAK5uy_kAIQc6Wyk2TY64j3HLmEORc1e_fjwLK48
>>129238988Thats pictures bro
>>129239187Doesn't get better than that.
The Five Greatest Chopin PianistsAlfred CortotVladimir AshkenazyClaudio ArrauIvan MoravecArtur Rubinsteinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkzAB5ai1DEDave has spoken.
now playingstart of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 1 in B-Flat Major, BWV 825https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLESCuaQP7w&list=OLAK5uy_mFYSggKnQcNqp3uEHfp1ff-67dhN8-_ZU&index=2start of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 2 in C Minor, BWV 826https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVkOPNle33Q&list=OLAK5uy_mFYSggKnQcNqp3uEHfp1ff-67dhN8-_ZU&index=9start of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 6 in E Minor, BWV 830https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2v_kIBIAfE&list=OLAK5uy_mFYSggKnQcNqp3uEHfp1ff-67dhN8-_ZU&index=14https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mFYSggKnQcNqp3uEHfp1ff-67dhN8-_ZU
>>129239246When you include prolificity of output, yeah, that's a tough list to bet. Maybe I'd do Nelson Freire instead of Cortot myself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI5dMK-yEn8&list=OLAK5uy_naE2DicDR9VBxpjc8e_rr91gvKBYwgIHo&index=13
>>129238492Missa in Angustiis "Lord Nelson Mass", Mass No. 14 "Harmoniemesse", and Mass No. 10 "Missa in tempore belli", among others depending how much you like them, but those three for surehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sztRAm-_RM8&list=OLAK5uy_kwbmEZO0naVpqoHcfOfPVs2uEGkd_1W-E&index=48There are probably better individual recordings of the three I listed (some big names have recorded them), but this set contains all of them and is performed still very well (it's Rilling after all!)
>>129239226I prefer Medtner's honestly, but Brahms is always good. >>129239246Thank you for the eceleb advertisement.
The first step in listening through Janowski's Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7ybSdCwQE&list=OLAK5uy_kwGcUdoEr9sMWgiCGbiNzqYs7QmWov5JA&index=1
>>129239317This is recording-quality bias, Koczalski and Rosenthal should be on the list instead of Ashkenazy and Arrau, with no questions asked.>Nelson Freire instead of Cortot myself.Absolute pleb taste.
>>129239455Can't really trust the input of someone who listens to the same three recordings from almost a century ago. Like what you wanna like, but when it comes to discussing the best recordings, you don't really have standing because you hardly like any! nor are willing to even try any
>>129239498Hes had a lifetime of listening to black metal though and thats why he prefers the HISS, it reminds him of the white noise in his low fi black metal recordings he loves so dearly.
>>129239518No need for any of that, anon. Though I will say if it turns out the primary reason he likes those old performers is because they're the favorite Chopin performers of some black metal musician or w/e, that would indeed be a cataclysmic fissure I would not be able to come back from.
>>129239498>nor are willing to even try anyI have tried many, and I don't dislike all of the modern sets otherwise I'd take off Moravec as well.The problem with (You) is that you don't really pay much attention neither to the music nor the interpretation. Perhaps that's why you have so much time to post all those recordings you listen here after all.>>129239542You are replying to a literal ragebait.
>>129239614the only retard who could possibly be enraged by that is the one who keeps spamming his overrated hissy recordings
>>129239542You think I'm joking but I'm not, he used to intentionally prefer low-fi recordings over clean ones. As for black metal musicians talking about specific performances, that would be rare, but hilarious. I know of one though, he preferred Fartwarngler's 1944 Bruckner 9th. Norseposter disliked that artist though (too much dissonance and clean production for him).
>>129239634or we simply want to keep on topic instead of schizoposting you lowbrow /metal/slopper
>>129239665return to >>>/metal/ schizotard
>>129239687Thank you baby metal boy
>>129239673Anon the hissfaggot IS the metalslopper stop inverting things
>>129239727>>129239730perhaps it's time to return to >>>/metal/ schizotard?>>129239736>fell for the falseflag
okay guys, relax, relax, you made your points
>>129239774the general is worthless with the /metal/schizos running around. it shall be fixed no matter the cost.
>>129239857>quarreling morons. >he STILL hasn't realized it's almost always one anon replying to himselfanon...i have some bad news. if you want to see the exact mechanism behind this schizoposting, do check out /bleep/, or archives showing amount of posters, it's one single schizo
>>129239424This recording is magnificent, I'm super excited to listen to the rest of Janowski's Wagner and whatever other opera recordings he may have. Might even explore his non-opera stuff, revisiting what I've already heard from him (like his Bruckner)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkMEKoChKqo&list=OLAK5uy_kwGcUdoEr9sMWgiCGbiNzqYs7QmWov5JA&index=11
>>129239884>>129239788>continues say "/metal/schizos" despite being from there himself>claims his own posts are actually someone else replying to himselfWhat listening to low fi black metal and Chopin does to the autistic schizophrenic mind of a mfer.
looks like the psych ward came here by itself after all.
Peter Grimes! Peter Grimes! Peter Griiimes!
>>129239978>that imageO_O
>>129240070Apparently low fi black metal and HISS Chopin recordings induce psychosis.
>>129240131they must've induced psychosis on you, likely due your popmusic obsessions. matter and anti-matter have clashed.
now playingstart of Faure: Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgOhqoMneOs&list=OLAK5uy_l2CCwWiz73InYW_-mvYoj9l3327gs3r8k&index=2start of Faure: Barcarolles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlC1cPflD0&list=OLAK5uy_l2CCwWiz73InYW_-mvYoj9l3327gs3r8k&index=14https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l2CCwWiz73InYW_-mvYoj9l3327gs3r8kThe pianist, Evelyne Crochet, has one of the very best sets of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier -- colorful, expressive, incisive. So I'm excited to see how she handles Faure.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DflY4Q8wXSk&list=OLAK5uy_kN7dPnxVZu0U-eJryzHcJ5qJjAvQdpfTE&index=7
>>129240208Schizophrenic post.
>>129239345My church sang that setting for the kyrie for Mass fairly regularly. Not fully orchestrated though, not that big a church.
>>129240315Nice. How'd you and the rest of the church like it? And what's your favorite thing you've sung so far with them?
>>129240115To be honest it worked better than expected, probably because of the outfit. Maria "Juggalo" Callas.
>>129240268spoken from the depths of psych ward
I like lesser-known composers with medium-to-long symphony cycles. Weinberg, Bax, Alywn, Wellesz, Villa-Lobos, Norgard, Atterberg, Hamerlik, Holmboe, Hanson, Roy Harris, William Schuman, Malcolm Arnold, Langgaard, Pettersson, Glazunov, Havergal Brian, Hovhaness, and these are just the ones off the top of my head but there's some more. Anyway, recommendations for any I might have missed? I know about Segerstam's symphonies and I plan on listening to some of his soon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt0rwwLjyFE
>>129240436I was never a member of the choir. A few talented singers came through. I think we even had a countertenor at what point. And we always had a good organist. We had a performance of Allegri’s famous miserere for a Requiem Mass, and the soprano did very well.
now playing, now that it's fully out, let's go through the entirety of Noseda's Shostakovich cycle, from beginning to endstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 1 in F Minor, Op. 10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONg96nS19tc&list=OLAK5uy_lgEHpGxd-Oa4iucfZCuamyfJ9Q8LErEgo&index=2start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 15 in A Major, Op. 141https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rvFscg5Pxc&list=OLAK5uy_lgEHpGxd-Oa4iucfZCuamyfJ9Q8LErEgo&index=6start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 2 in B Major, Op. 14 "To October"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mll7E7I40mE&list=OLAK5uy_lgEHpGxd-Oa4iucfZCuamyfJ9Q8LErEgo&index=10start of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 13 in B-Flat Minor, Op. 113 "Babi Yar"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wef3OZ2X0PM&list=OLAK5uy_lgEHpGxd-Oa4iucfZCuamyfJ9Q8LErEgo&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lgEHpGxd-Oa4iucfZCuamyfJ9Q8LErEgo>The culmination of an extraordinary 9-year collaboration with the London Symphony Orchestra's Principal Guest Conductor, Gianandrea Noseda, LSO Live proudly presents Shostakovich: Symphonies Nos 1-15. A complete symphony cycle offers not only a comprehensive journey through a composer's artistic evolution but also a unique glimpse into history, revealing the world as they experienced it. Few composers embody this more than Dmitri Shostakovich (1906-1975), whose career was profoundly shaped by the political pressures of Soviet Russia. His symphonies are known for walking the line between outward conformity and hidden defiance, often infused with irony and coded resistance. Renowned for his mastery of Russian repertoire, Noseda brings a rare depth of understanding to this recording, shaped in part by his work alongside musicians who personally knew Shostakovich. This new interpretation of the complete symphonies showcases his signature dynamism, insight, and flair-earning it's place among the most definitive recordings of our time.
>>129240527Ah my bad on that assumption. Very cool your church does those kinds of performances, I'm envious.
As a colossal fan of Scriabin this is a very welcome discovery.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpViIxoAEdk
>>129241010You may also find interest in Feinberg.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Yq1mboo_o&list=OLAK5uy_mSDE3jrVHAL46Jk8uEEBj7UHZBmU-1J5A&index=2Sorabji and Szymanowski will be something to look into.
>>129237152>How to listen to classical musicCan I get the run down so I don't have to listen to 46 minutes of some boomer ranting
What is the best Kyrie?
>>129241529His videos are pretty entertaining and interesting even for experienced classical listeners. I don't remember what he says in that video exactly, but you had questions so those will be answered, and if you understand classical forms, you'll understand the music much quicker. For example, scherzo/minuet pieces usually follow a very basic scheme of ABA' structure, initial theme A, then contrasting section B, and return of the section A (usually a bit different). Listen to this minuet by Beethoven:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TTqFAo1gtkAt 01:06 you'll notice how the mood/theme changes. After a while the initial theme returns, but it's slighty modified and ends with material from the B theme(already diverges from the form. most pieced do).Now, this is a very short and sweet example. Sonata forms are a bit more complex, especially those of the romantic era will take several listening to grasp. Sweetest example of sonata form is this sonata by Mozart:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJbkdKa9JxgTwo contrasting themes, a lot of tension, then the two themes return, but they are now more stable if you listen closely.You might want to look up about these forms so I don't have to type it all out. There are excellent videos on youtube.
>>129241538We love Durufle's meditative offering here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21VD3ovFWMM
>>129236155I was listening to a DVD commentary and I noticed that Anglo Catholicism is like Protestantism with saints. It's very... unexpressive. And seeing that a lot of classical liturgical music comes from the branch of romantic Catholicism, you can see the difference. I feel that when it comes down to smaller communities, religion is more expressive, or if it comes from a culture where expressiveness is cultivated. Arts and sciences tend to flourish. Is that a generalization? Yes. But most of the major composers were Catholic.
>>129235868>>129236256wasn't involved in this argument so i'm losing some context her, but not all fortepianos sound the same, there's pretty significant sound differences between models also, Schitt sounds like a MIDI by default, especially in his newer ECM recordings. he's a shit pianist for a reason, but he got significantly worse at he aged. you can hear those qualities on his WTC on ECM, played on a modern piano, and it's disgusting
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>>129242147Most of the major composers (let alone scientists) were irreligious, they had to put on the mask to fit in with the rest of the society and the law. When those laws and social pressures were lifted, suddenly no one in the upper class cared about religion, which is quite telling. Social pressure and dogmatic theologies did not allow free speech, and by extension free thought. People like Bruno served as an example, and the intelligent and educated people just went along with the herd.The point is, religion did not have any relevant influence on music or science. Other parts of our culture, that shaped those religions in the first place, did. Just as climate can shape our languages, environment shapes our thoughts and minds and thus culture. Economy (agrarian, urban), settlement patterns (nomadic, village), political organizations (tribal, imperial, feudal), communication and literacy (trade routes, cities, schools) affect how centralized church authority becomes, how ritualized or text-based worship is, if religion leans mystical or institutional. There's no valid reason to believe that some two thousand year old fiction had any real influence on those cultures, most people did not even read the bible. It's a cope. I don't think religion should be mentioned where it doesn't belong.
>>129242377Source: I can read dead people's minds, trust me bro.
>>129242377>religion did not have any relevant influence on musicNorseposter IQ strikes again. Dat dere black metal anti-Christianity influence really did imprint on you heavily. >>129242425Hes just an anti-religious zealot no different than the religious zealots he hates. He and that desert fairy tale lover should have a low IQ get together while we watch.
>>129242425Your source: some scribbles on piece of paper from the repressed individuals>>129242448>>>/metal/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBfnlrKjizgThis may be a meme piece but the tune is actually really catchy, especially with the playful upbeat bassoon. Been stuck in my head all day.
>>129242737>This may be a meme pieceSo is everything Liszt wrote, but people still love him.You a Strauss fan?
>>129242790Strauss has his moments but personally I prefer the Brahms fog.
HISSFAGS DO NOT REPLYbest recordings of Schubert's moments musicaux and Impromptus?
Why hasn't someone invented the saxophone of oboes yet? i.e. a double reed mouthpiece but with a metal body.
>>129242829https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR6tcJJfh-c
>>129242829https://youtu.be/o0HCjZiafTs
>>129242887>>129242902can your hissnigger ass not read?
>>129242912This is a hiss general.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTku00mU7ME
>>129242933nigger faggot
The problem with avant-garde and contemporary composers is not that they sound like shit, it's that there aren't any hiss recordings of their works.
> Abstract>This work presents a statistical study of vibrato parameters in soprano voices. More than one hundred recordings of the same tone sung by 75 artists have been analyzed. Vibrato rate and extent, tone length and intonation, together with their correlations are the main parameters under examination. The study shows a clear decrease of the mean vibrato rate during the last century (-1.8±0.3 Hz/century), together with an increase of vibrato extent (56.4±0.3cent/century). Vibrato rate and extent show a statistically significant negative correlation (r=-0.62). Vibrato rate increase near the end of the tone has been observed too, in agreement with previous measurements, together with a mean increase of the pitch of the tone. A small positive correlation has been also found among note duration and vibrato extent. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21895105/
>>129242737normgroids will eat it up but it's a very amateurish piece in my opinion. there are many points where Pilney just inserts random quotations to maintain the character because he's too stupid to use conventional forms and understand the style of each composer in depth.
>>129243026Good, fuck vibrato and fuck romanticism.
>>129242933>>129242902>>129242887Norseposter, aren't you the one who declared others of trolling the general? You do know you don't have to reply with garbage to every post made, right?
>>129242821what about the Reger tar pit?
>>129242377This and they were also secretly left wing because right wingers are incapable of creativity
Why do you never see that many alto clarinets when alto saxs are popular
>>129243282Most of the clarinet variants are popular in like Turkey They get the tenor clarinets and all that cool shit
This guy is setting off my gaydar and I haven't been wrong yet
>>129243323post better bait. He had a wife and children.
>>129243277And they were also all secretly gay even if they were married with kids, case in point >>129243323
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwCtMcfRnU&list=OLAK5uy_nz0XWqtFq7IwqTyZH-BESvL6Ckd3eZcdM&index=11
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWwMyuU-fPY&t=595
Was going to listen to some operaslop tonight, but decided to be a better person and listen to real music instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVpfl-UlKaw&list=OLAK5uy_mEU4OpJJ-cle4DVx1rcbQDA1taGTU0DGoThere sure is a lot of heavy breathing in this recording though, holy shit.
>>129237180Thanks anon>>129237215>>129237252>>129237123>>129237396Fucking faggos, all of you, but Alkan is good for sure. Most of you should probably think about killing yourselves for your shit opinions.
>>129243612>all of youAll me :)Liszt wishes he could have created the Symphony, the Grande Sonata, the Sonatine, the Concerto, Le Festin d'Esope, En rhytme molossique, and so on. All he has is transcriptions of actually good composers, programmatic formless slop, miniatures, and gimmick pieces.
>>129243669fuck off, retard.
>>129243688>>129243688Liszt and his self-sufficient melodic tripe turned to the so-called "thematic transformation" because all he could offer was repetitions instead of proper development. The rest of his late catalog is a series of gimmicks from whole tone, tone row, parallel fifth and all the rest of the party tricks one can think of. He began his career as a virtuoso gimmick, and ended up as a harmonic gimmick. Case closed.
>129243861(you)
Just learned about piano temperament and how chords are never really in tune and its ruined piano music for me
>>129243669Not true, he also had a piano
>>129243892wait until you learn that even the diatonic scale can never be in tune.
>>129243861You sounds retarded and I didn't even read your post either
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9B4U7pssmc&list=OLAK5uy_lF0Ohv5dmJkzzvmPqFeaxWccZSvtaA1GY&index=6
>>129241439>FeinbergOh I'm definitely into that, will check the rest of his works>SorabjiI remember listening to him a very long time ago and not really feeling it, trying it again now I get it, kinda makes me feel old because I can really tell how my ears changed because of how much I exposed myself to new music throughout the years lol>Szymanowski Liked the 3rd piano sonata and Metopes, not so much the Violin concertos (didn't listen to them fully, will try again later) definitely listening to the rest of his stuff, nice recommendations
>>129243892Wait until you find out that under the equal temperament tuning system there is no qualitative difference between any of the key signatures, they become just transpositions.
>>129244189Thats not true d minor is so sad
>Bb-major has no feel. D-major has a feel, F-minor has a feel, Eb has a feel, but Bb? It has no feel.
>>129244813Its a clarinet joke
Strausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCP95VyXycg
I hate how terrible recording tradition in classical is. Your release should NEVER have any noises from the audience, no clapping no coughing etc. Also too many recordings have humming noises from musicians or whatever that also break the immersion. Shit that wouldn't even fly in pop music recordings yet for some reason persists in classical to this day
>>129245820I unironically agree
>>129245725Strauss' late works are so good.
>>129245820>>129245833i was listening to a great recording of Schubert's impromptus and halfway through the pianist just began breathing very loudly and I thought the same thing kek
>>129237180Late Liszt isn't even the greatest Romantic composer for the solo piano born in the first half of the 19th century, let alone the greatest Romantic composer full stop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pgtruVBIMk3:30>you have to play softly reeeeeeeven most digital instruments have an obnoxiously wide dynamic range with no easy way to adjust it so it doesn't feel comfortable to play it like that in a casual home environment with construction work going on outside etc
>>129246322Chopin isn't Romanticism
>>129245820Unfair comparison because that's live v. studio recordings. In a live rock bootleg, audience noise would absolutely be acceptable. You just need to do a better job of selecting studio recordings if it bothers you that much.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Tristan und Isolde conducted by Marek Janowski.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpS7vCN98pc&list=OLAK5uy_lud3N8dtB6JyvFIVopu14oVaLn7yKLeJo&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcvF1LV05QI&list=OLAK5uy_lud3N8dtB6JyvFIVopu14oVaLn7yKLeJo&index=14
Douche damn jolie
>>129246393I wasn't talking about Chopin. I should have emphasized that late Liszt isn't even the greatest Romantic composer for the solo piano born in the first half of the 19th century and active until its end.
>>129245820Then don't listen to live recordings or retards that hum while playing, you retarded faggot. You're still left with thousands of recordings. You have live recordings in every genre, by the way.
You guys usually have good opinions, whats a good recording of Dmitri Schostavich's Waltz number 2
>>129246642https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK1aVBZO05M&list=OLAK5uy_kI_dSFfT5YevyS5ATtB8amVvh5YDwBVr8&index=2
>>129246651Its alright but if feels like it was recorded for a dance class. Got anything with a little more oomf?
>>129246671sorry I linked the wrong Waltzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaKdPgkTZ7M&list=OLAK5uy_mK8FpkuUclJOOLV8xB5OaehciS05QuBnQ&index=13if that one is no good, then tryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s8QDizuokU&list=OLAK5uy_nBsSH9SzUqAx0hWRJbQ0VSUQf6FqFPn_U&index=8
>>129246686thanks,these are good
>>129246686I don't understand how this waltz is Shostakovich's most popupar piece. It's so generic.
>>129246726Movies.But also, while it's not a great piece to listen to as a great formal work of art, it's a great piece to listen to for emotional evocation and thinking. You put it on and imagine you're a Czar or you're stealing your enemy's Natasha at a fancy gala, w/e
>>129246736>imagine you're a CzarWha if I'm trans
>>129246726What else should I check out by him
>>129246751https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L__jruvYuCghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5zeKuxdz4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9w-zZGI2aothen once you fall in love with those and want more, you explore everything else he composed
>>129246765alright, thanks
>>129246748oh, easy, then see >>129246464 and >>129239424
feels like a Mahler 4 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EftyBs5XpHU&list=OLAK5uy_lvKDoFyoy0c9hRluR9XJisRpQIgbnH6r4&index=1
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWfunjkRnx4I like Davis for Mozart's choral works, what do you guys think of him?
>>129246844Anything with vocals conducted by Colin Davis is almost certain to be a winner.
>>129246726It appeals to the lowest common denominator.
>>129247078...it's a waltz, it's supposed to, that's what dance music is.
People here will disparage a Shostakovitch waltz as being for the "lowest common denominator" and then go listen to 3 hours of operaslop, LMAOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5WI5hfQQQ8
>>129247095Chopin elevated the waltz to high art, Schostakovich chose to dumb it back down for the masses.
>>129247116Chopin is literally the most popular composers among the "masses", you are an idiot.
Be a good lad and fetch papa some HIP Bach (with historically accurate performers).
>>129247116It's part of a Jazz Suite, and it's not his only waltz.
now playingstart of Shostakovich: Symphony No. 4 in C Minor, Op. 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbyvoGyBIL4&list=OLAK5uy_lgEHpGxd-Oa4iucfZCuamyfJ9Q8LErEgo&index=24>London Symphony Orchestra Principal Guest Conductor Gianandrea Noseda continues his survey of Shostakovich with the monumental Symphony No.4. Extravagant and challenging in equal measure, it's a work of epic proportions, requiring over a hundred musicians - including large percussion and brass sections. Owing to Soviet censure, the work went unperformed for almost thirty years after it was completed, until in 1961 it was revealed as one of the significant milestones of the composer's output - the work that solidified his reputation as a master symphonist.
>>129247142https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=O0NJBgXqSF8
>>129239246Is that the jewish guy who blows punks under the Brooklyn bridge?
>>129247511go back to /pol/, retard.
>>129247511Correct.
>>129247565I mean, its a fair thing to ask. Someones outlook on life reflects their outlook on art
>>129247608Yeah, gay people are statistically more likely to listen to classical music. We listen to gay music
did you peep yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-PL7CkUP6o&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=21
>>129247625Midwitz is such an ugly fat product of incest that not even gays would be interested in him.
>>129247608don't throw stones when you live in a glass house, anon. if I recall correctly, you're a christ-cuck who works some bullshit job in an office. you are literally lower than a fucking peasant.
>>129247669Jeez, calm down, anon.
>>129247636as if you're any better.
Went to read Brendel's defense of Liszt just to challenge my beliefs on the composer, and then read this:>A word about Liszt's form. One must not expect perfection in the Classical sense. The sonatas of Schubert, when measured by the yardstick of Classical form, already reveal nothing but flaws and shortcomings. There is something fragmentary about Liszt's work; its musical argument, perhaps by its nature, is often not brought to a conclusion. Lol, even his defenders realize Liszt was a hack.
>>129247672no. go fuck yourself.
>>129247679...only in the classical sense
>>129247678>no uMidwitz would sacrifice several goyim foreskins to have my hair.
>>129247687Aka the only sense that matters. We don't respect pop sense here where every piece of formless slop shat out in the romanticlown period is redefined as "progressive" and "inspiring".
>>129247690nobody wants your pubic hair.
now playingScriabin: 3 Pièces, Op. 2: 3 Pieces, Op. 2: No. 2. Preludehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RAqCbr3OM&list=OLAK5uy_nOvJGKcRxDELanhd0lQZmDLA4yKRq2RC0&index=2Scriabin: 2 Impromptus, Op. 14: No. 1 in B Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdCzF60SKS0&list=OLAK5uy_nOvJGKcRxDELanhd0lQZmDLA4yKRq2RC0&index=3start of Scriabin: 24 Préludes, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JFwyAVCxZE&list=OLAK5uy_nOvJGKcRxDELanhd0lQZmDLA4yKRq2RC0&index=8Scriabin: 2 Poèmes, Op. 32: 2 Poemes, Op. 32: No. 1 in F-Sharp Majorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz5_EU1k0ZA&list=OLAK5uy_nOvJGKcRxDELanhd0lQZmDLA4yKRq2RC0&index=33among some other pieceshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nOvJGKcRxDELanhd0lQZmDLA4yKRq2RC0>Scriabin's unpredictable imagination awakens and delights the senses, his music floating away whimsically only to dive back down to earth with terrible purpose - all masterfully captured in Klara Min's performance.Scriabin performance doesn't get better than this.
>>129247701To be fair Midwitz has no little hair that I'm sure even transplanting my ass hairs onto his shiny head would be an improvement to his generational incest created aesthetic.
>>129247714sounds like Dave pissed on your cereal.
>>129247712>female performerNot listening!
>>129247719We don't respect your eceleb daddies here. Find a different idol to worship.
>>129247720ttakes a lot of effort to compose those posts anon. Don't know why I even bother anymore...
>>129247728how's the job search going?
>>129247669I've never been hit with a "You're a normal functioning member of society" as an insult before. Are you gonna make fun of me for not being a virgin next?
>>129247748Seems like I pissed on your cereal.
>>129247732Every so often I listen to your links thoughever.
>>129247762Thanks <3
>>129247751don't lie. you are not a "normal functioning member of society".
>>129247751thanks productive normie sexhaving sister
Besides Gould, what are some top tier humchad performances for humpilled hummaxxers like myself?
>129247802(you)
>>129247802Fazil Sayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiKQWPZs0zw&list=OLAK5uy_mcFA6ifiqdlOhtt3tOGVHSMVEvXHcdnbA&index=46
>>129247813>3:59he didn't hum in tune. it's a no from me.
>>129247813Based, will be listening to his performances in the future.
>>129247802Zimerman was a bit of a humchad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQn34klqSQI
>>129247679>>129247699>>129247690>>129247720>>129247756time to head back to /metal/ imbecile
>>129247748>>129247719>>129247701>>129247678>>129247625time to head back to /metal/ imbecile
>>129247928His endless shitposting and pseud rambling is seriously so tiresome.
>>129247078>>129247511>>129247142>>129247128time to head back to /metal/ imbecile>>129247946thank you schizo
>>129247947It is. And now he's foaming and spamming kek
>MFW my favorite eceleb youtuber was insulted and its time to start up the 8 hour spam-a-thon againVarg Vikernes (my other favorite eceleb) please save us!
>>129247783>>129242988time to head back to /metal/ imbecile>>129247960>>129247955>>129247947time to stop replying to yourself falseflagging /metal/ schizo charlatan
Strauss (the good one that we prefer here).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2FZCz-PQfE
>>1292477514chan-browsing christ-cucks are not "functioning members of society". at most they are "somehow-miraculously-surviving members of society"
>>129248472Based
>>129246640>>129246398are you niggers new? the thing he is complaining about is how even in studio recordings you will hear the performers breathe and hum a lot, while in any other type of music they would have stopped the recording and started over. This isn't a rare occurance either, multiple studio recordings are afflicted by this (ESPECIALLY string quartets, holy shit)
>>129247116>Chopin waltzes>High art>Higher than shostakovichthis fucking general
>>129248472I wouldnt consider myself a "4chan browser", this thread is basically the only thing i browse on this shithole these dayshttps://wwe.youtube.com/watch?v=zEHStTA9xDY
>>129248500Don't take bad faith shitposts so seriously, Iass, the clowns you are replying to are a bunch of 4cuck addicts themselves. Le "christ-cucks" such as Medtner and Durufle created much finer art then they ever have or will ever. Nor do I believe any of them could ever write something as intelligently spoken as Medtner's book despite claiming to be more intelligent than the religious. Not that I am a desert fairy tale believer myself (nor do I respect it on any level honestly), but the anti-religious loonies are living in a past age where they have to "own" religious people to feel secure in themselves. Basically just losers spouting the current zeitgeist no different than actual religious zealots calling you a "sinner who will burn in hell". In absence of religion, the masses will inevitable form a new dogma to screech at you, the beliefs change, but the genetics that drive their actions don't.
the 10 /classical/ commandments:1. opera is good2. chopin is mostly just alright3. there is usually a better recorded alternative to any given great hissy recording4. there are many great serialist pieces5. Glenn Gould fucking sucks6. Mozart, Bach, and Beethoven7. all repeats must be taken. no exceptions8. respect Beethoven's metronome markings 9. Hurowitz is clueless and senile10. the fortepiano sounds like dogshit
>>129248580>lass
The 10 /classical/ commandments (Fixed):1. Ppera is slop.2. Chopin is mostly just alright.3. There are always better recorded alternatives to any given great hiss recording.4. There are no great serialist pieces.5. Glenn Gould is a legend.6. Haydn, Bach, and Beethoven.7. Zero repeats should be taken. No exceptions.8. Beethoven himself said not to respect tempo markings.9. Hurowitz is clueless and senile.10. The fortepiano is superior to the grand Piano.>>129248609
>>129248500To be clear, as a nemesis of christcuckery, I have no problem with you Mahoanon. The only problem here is the dumb metalslopper that just replied to you and is probably falseflagging too as he has done for the past 10 threads.
>>129248580You are as much of a loser as everyone else in this convo
the actual 10 /classical/ commandments:1. opera is great2. chopin is mostly GOAT3. there is usually NO better recorded alternative to any given great hissy recording4. there are some great serialist pieces5. Glenn Gould is not a musician6. Schumann, Mahler, Chopin7. all repeats must be taken. no exceptions8. respect Beethoven's metronome markings only at the beginning as per Beethoven himself9. Hurwitz is usually right10. the fortepiano can good
>>129248649>as a nemesis of christcuckeryWhat a lifetime of black metal listening does to a 4cuck addict. Norseposter never fails to garner a laugh from any reasonable person.
>>129248609adding an 11th commandment to this:avatarfaggots and people with folders for specific anime girle should be raped to death
>>129248678didn't ask metalslopper >>>/metal/
>>129248609>the fortepiano sounds like dogshitWhile true I'd still grant it its aura, it's a historical artifact, not merely a bad instrument, which gives its defects a "kintsugi" like quality, yes its ugly, but that's what makes it beautiful.
>>129248655Sorry lass, but I don't run around calling myself a "nemesis of christcuckery", nor am I as embarrassing as that one desert fairy tale lover that suggested to skip reading the Greeks entirely and focus on German protestantism. We have standards here.
>>129248695>yes its ugly,It isn't. Chopin's pleyel 47 is arguably better than any modern grandshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQDjQp1r4hcOr maybe it's just Koczalski that makes it sound better than literally any modern recording
>>129248720>pleyel 47 is better than any modern grandsCorrect. >it's just KoczalskiIncorrect.
>>129248745not like a metalslopper would ever hear interpretative nuance
>>129248720It sounds nice, "forte-piano" is very broad though, it includes some very different sounding instruments, some closer to the sound of a harpsichord than a piano, I like the wooden the quality of the sound
>>129248770The wooden quality*, anyway
>>129248770Yes, the older ones aren't good. Pleyel fits Chopin's inward character and intricacy, although early steinways are probably better overall. You can tell by older recordings, those were the best overall.
>>129248765Not like a low-fi black metal tard would ever pick anything besides white noise HISS.
>>129248719That guy is a loser too, but you are a bigger one
>>129248900>that guyThere were two people mentioned in the post, Iass, I know your memory "aint so gud", but do try to keep up.
>>129248900>>129248925Shut the fuck up
Digital Glenn, the Gould Edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuY20YN6F4k
>>129248982don't post Gould here
Gould plays Webernhttps://youtu.be/3tf8bhi1ovQ
>>129249072>>129249052
>>129249052This is a GGGeneral, friend. We don't take repeats around these parts and respect articulation with correct notes.
>>129248491They explicitly cited "noises from the audience, no clapping no coughing etc." that's what I was replying to. As for the breathing, depends on the performer -- it bothers you that much, you just listen to a different recording from another musician/ensemble. For hums, there's only like two pianists who do that anyway, and maybe one cellist.
Reminder that the one and onlyGLENN GOULDOULDwas chosen to play the Well-Tempered Clavier for the Voyager Golden Record, which was then sent to space.Thousands of years from now our species will be extinct, but the best pianist of all time will still represent our human SOUL to future alien civilizations.GOULD WILL OUTLAST RICHTER, SCHIFF AND EVERYONE ELSEGOULD IS ETERNALPRAISE GOULD
For today's opera performance, we listen to Benjamin Britten's Peter Grimes (it's in English!) conducted by Richard Hickox.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu5fj6yCYZ8&list=OLAK5uy_lmAV9-ro1kK2bx9Tmb689Z7j_xHWy5SGQ&index=27There's an Amazon user review whose complaint about this recording is Hickox beautifies the work more than the user deems appropriate for the dramatic, desolate work, but that's only a bonus for me at this point, since I'm not familiar with the work already, so it only serves to appeal to me more, and once I'm a fan, I can go for a more accurate, closer-to-the-essence of the piece interpretation, which is presumably dry, gloomy, and morose. Hickox likes his lyricism! Part of why I enjoy his recordings of vocal works.
Things hated and condemned here:>HISS>Crackling>Volume cutting in and out>Shrill highs>Muddy bottom end>Missing frequencies>Audience coughingThings loved and condoned here:>Humming>Breathing>Chair creaking>Mumbling>Page flipping>Music from the studio next door>>129249142HEIL
The memespammer has convinced me to indulge in Gould's Bach today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xJdEc4eRNw&list=OLAK5uy_keWvxGmwrAzKnB28btqo4Fgh6mSGIp9hA&index=47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHz-j2hC8L0&list=OLAK5uy_mPbty31654xLaVxCzaRaww9AWX_1QfcUk&index=14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhvNn8W-6Po&list=OLAK5uy_nHkB3uEa9oGJ4mp4XHcEEymwoiTFkZ4Ws&index=18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43sTxRVpRBM&list=OLAK5uy_meLBGOX9UBGW-6AvhpCRHgjMxuQ33L0Pc&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n99B37SL35U&list=OLAK5uy_lkmaLAZU55jeTHmwoDWi43v9fJD82FgJ8&index=4
>>129249187Based. One of us.
>>129249187>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n99B37SL35UWhy did he record it on a circus organ Is this the best available in canada
>>129249226In seriousness, I personally prefer a pianistic, overtly beautiful and lyrical approach to my Bach, but Gould is nice for the occasional change of pace. And his Goldberg's are essential.
>>129249143https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApaCckhkGFE&list=OLAK5uy_lmAV9-ro1kK2bx9Tmb689Z7j_xHWy5SGQ&index=6Damn, I'm sold on the piece now.
>>129249143>>129249252So, listening to this, even though it's in English the words and plot are still incomprehensible without the libretto, which leads me to ask is this the case for operas in other languages too? Bach, Wagner, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Verdi, Puccini, Strauss, Debussy, et al.; you still need a libretto when listening to them if you want to know what they're saying even if you speak and understand German, French, Italian, Russian, whatever, right?
>>129249245>I personally prefer a pianisticThen you prefer a Gould performance. What you mean to say is you prefer a distorted Chopin romanticism that really wishes the piano was a bowed string instrument instead. Which is fine, but it isn't pianistic; staccato is the piano's forte above all other instruments.
>>129249299this general has the most retarded opinions known to man
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RELwL3XHmOk&list=OLAK5uy_kcULeo1okFHzXpGwJW2xwQyxJoVv4-ncU&index=9
>>129249299I chose that word specifically because Gould was trying to keep his Bach close to the harpsichord roots.>The Fifth Partita was “the worst Bach recording I’ve ever made. It was also the most pianistic. It was perhaps the one that the connoisseur of the piano would like best. It’s the one I like least because it’s least Bach, it’s least me vis-à-vis Bach in any case; it’s full of all sorts of dynamic hang-ups, it’s full of crescendi and diminuendi that have no part in the structure, in the skeleton of that music.” --- Gould> What you mean to say is you prefer a distorted Chopin romanticism that really wishes the piano was a bowed string instrument instead. Which is fine, but it isn't pianistic; staccato is the piano's forte above all other instruments.can you stop being a weirdo?
>>129249280no, they're perfectly understandable when well sung. English is just a weird language that tends to sound very different when sung operatically (thought not always, just when the vibrato is heavy)
>>129249317It's just the one newcomer, /metal/-originating, spamming anon. Don't take him or his opinions too seriously.
>>129249187>the memespammer has convinced me to eat shit today! :D
>>129249335Hmm, okay. It also could be because of the English accents, which I considered a possibility. So someone fluent in German can listen to and understand a Wagner/Mozart/Strauss/Bach opera (Passion in Bach's case) without need of libretto no problem? Damn, I'm jealous then. Would be nice to understand the plot and poetry of an opera without having to read anything along, but I'm only fluent in English. American English!
>>129249354Hey, like I've said on other occasions, even Jed Distler has Gould as a reference recording on most Bach pieces (notably, not the WTC, but I'm sure it's still a 9.5/10 in his book), so that means there's something there to me.
>>129246797Man, I would kill for a Klemperer Mahler 10. Alas... shame he never conducted the 6th or 8th either.
>>129249370>even this retard has this other retard as a referente recording on most Bach piecesI could not give less of a fuck.
>>129249398I'm not saying you have to like it, just that it's worth a try, no matter how you feel about Gould on other composers.
>>129249359>So someone fluent in German can listen to and understand a Wagner/Mozart/Strauss/Bach opera (Passion in Bach's case) without need of libretto no problem?yeah, generally. of course some times you need the stage directions to tell you what is going on
Figaro, Figaro...
>>129249324Gould speaks there to mean Piano vs Harpsicord, yes. Now maybe you were just speaking in a piano vs harpsicord meaning as well (rather that is just a discussion of dynamics), in which case I was off-tangent. Although you must also take partial blame for using a more vague term like "pianistic" vs just saying dynamics. However as a whole beyond even Bach, Gould plays in a more pianistic manner (staccato) than what "the connoisseur of the piano" would like, because Chopin distorted the entire purpose of the piano for so many by wishing he was a cello player instead. >>129249317Name how I am wrong, everything about bel canto obsession would have been done much better in string quartets over using a percussive instrument with no vibrato. Chopins ideology is backwards and counter to actual pianism.
>>129249409that's like going into a restaurant and saying crack cocaine is worth a try just once
Most pianistic composers:BartokMessiaenProkofiev
>>129249299>>129249419thank you charlatan metalslopper. any more of your misinformed contrarian opinions would just enlighten us all, but please, take it to >>>/metal/ instead?
>>129249510I think metal drumming africanized his taste
Shostakovichhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvc3KAQGef8&list=OLAK5uy_mQVuvfv09VxFXQTxVvh1VaRowBKp_M-yo&index=13
>>129249510Uh oh, looks like I upset mr black metal fanatic Chopin lover. You going to have another 8 hour melty over it?
1 more till bump limit
>>129247712>>129247720Women don't understand Scriabin.
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>>129249707Did you peep the recording? It's very good. Best recording of the Preludes I've heard in quite sometime.
the Vagner meme
>>129247751>animeposter>normal functioning member of society
