From a technical standpoint this debut is 100x more impressive than fucking Kill em All and whatever the fuck Slayer released. Yet no one ever talks about this album or how well written and played it is, why??? Those guitar riffs, solos and fucking drumming is insane.
>>129243265more like Megadong cuz my weiner is huge
>>129243265production sucks very hard and most of the songs aren't that great. I really wish they would have re-recorded at least skull beneath the skin for peace sells or something.
>>129243401yeah but what did you think about my big dong pun?
>>129243265Great title track and Mechanix, rest is a bit whatever, he should have recorded Jump In The Fire and Phantom Lord here too
Guys who complain about this production need to listen to Triumph of Death and The Return...... and shut up.
>>129244219https://voca.ro/1jkzwgyhrpOr
>>129243265It came out after Ride the lightning and Hell awaits
>>129244263not listening to whatever that is
>>129243401>>129243770You're telling me the drums alone on stuff like this is worse than shit like Metal Militia or Hit the Lights?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJnN9E_X3Mhttps://youtu.be/5IjUdfQuFTk?si=2oqPtdFcessFhIpV
>>129244580Dear christ I've never heard the original mix, it sounds awful. I wouldn't even call it charmingly rough, it's just bad. It certainly puts into perspective what the remixes did
>>129243265falls off hard after track 3
>>129245447The drums actually sound better here imothe remaster they sound very flat and weak
>>129243352Thanks Junior, very cool
>>129243265>From a technical standpointOf course. Every musician that's been in Megadeth blows both Metallica and Slayer out of the fucking water.
>>129243265the songs are weird. not sure how to describe it.
>>129245447The original mix sounds fine, this is just a big meme based on nothing like the AJFA mix complaints
>>129243265Gar Samuelson was a genius and it took way too long for people to notice
>>129243265it's underrated for sure but this >>129244277 is the reason it's not considered historically importantKIMB is the predecessor to... maybe atheist? it wasn't influential because the raw punky aspects and the technical aspects were at odds and nobody else but Dave wanted to play like that>>129245640Dave Lombardo is in the same league as any of Megadeth's drummers, and maybe if you melded Kirk and James into one guitarist you'd have somebody close to Dave but otherwise yeah, Megadeth's classic lineups mog every other thrash band
>>129243265Agreed, but the 2018 remix is truly THE definitive sonic version of this album. It sounds incredible.
>>129245640This, more or less.
>>129245798True. RIP
>>129243265>From a technical standpointshut up nerd
No one gives a fuck about technicality if it sounds like shit liek Megadeth. Also how did no one mention the god awful vocals? Dude has the shittiest voice in all of metal.
>>129245592After a second listen, I could agree with that, with that caveat that they sound better in isolation. They have more of a room sound, which I'm partial to, but the guitars and bass don't really have that, which makes it sound bad to me. An Albini job, this is not.>>129245729I wouldn't say so, I like Justice a lot and I've never had a problem with the sound. 80's metal always buried the bass anyway, it was the style of the time.
>>129243265The production at the time made it nearly unlistenable The remasters didn't come out until much later I mean it, it's bad
Same reason SFSGSW is hardly ever talked about: being massively overshadowed by the album after it.
>>129243265The bassline for Looking Down the Cross is insanely great compared to what else came out at the time (Metallica started mixing out bass after KeA; Slayer, with RiB).
>>129245682Dave hadn’t really found his voice yet. Hetfield’s drunk viking howling is pretty straightforward and he had it down for KEA.
>>129247422dave's vocals were pure sovl. the guy said "fuck it, I'll just sing" and went on a personal suicide mission to out-metallica metallica. he is determination personified.
>>129247422It's very unique within the scope of metal, he sounds like some kind of snarling Rake-like creature. Compared to his thrash peers who were mostly just dudes yelling (or the Halford impersonators of metal at large in the 80's) he had something cool
>>129243265Every Megadeth album was above any Metallica record. Mustaine won, he effectively got the upper hand in the music quality... and then it got funny when somehow Megadeth ended up with at least 3 musicians way out of James, Lars and Kirk's league. Insane how stacked Megadeth was at its prime when you think about it.Hell, Slayer isn't even the good Slayer since the other guys gave the name up and went to make motherfucking Thundersteel shortly after. Slayer is just dave lombardo doing the heavy carrying of a noodle mumbling Kerry King ffsThat said, I preffer young messy megadeth; pure personality at its raw finest.
>>129243265>From a technical standpointthe jokes truly do write themselves when it comes to metal dorks
>>129245447tasteless, kimby is about as good as it gets
>>129252995The album is basically jazz fusion
Megafags are truly unable to shut the fuck up about sucking mustaine's cock
>>129256042You really replied to prove that anon right huh
>>129252941>Every Megadeth album was above any Metallica record Mustaine wonKek, the only thing mustaine won was at whining and fantasizing about how he was never kicked out of Metallica
>>129243265its one of their best, very over shadowed by RIP. The only dud is the cover of Boots but otherwise one of the best metal albums of a packed era.>>129248488SFSGSW is better.On the topic of their first few albums, why is Peace Sells so highly rated? It's quite boring and slow, not many standout songs other than the title track. i aint superstitious is like Boots but worse in every way, i can only say like 2 good songs on that outing
Megadeth and Dave retired and not a peep from MetallicaKWAB to the end
>>129243265cause people have shit taste, what else is newcase in point, the retard itt who thinks the remaster is an improvement
>>129244580maybe I listen to too much black metal but I think this sounds way better than the remaster in general
Most bands debuts are compared against the rest of their discography. A lot of metal bands have bad debuts or debuts that just get dwarfed by their other albums. Metallicas not unique. Pantera, Death, Carcass, Converge. Its common. Megadeth has gotta be the only band who can't be listened to and thought of except for with regards to how they compare to another band. And if you're comparing Kill Em All to Business, well, they're bith Mustaine's albums. Metallica ripped him off big time for sure. But the albums they made next are way better than uh, anything Dustaine ever made. And yeah Metallica sold out and decided to make shitty pop metal after Cliff died. But they had that luxury because RtL and MoP literally conquered the genre.
>>129256997The Peace Sells riff was used on MTV for years so it's baked into people's brains from that time period, which happens to be most of Megadeth's listeners
>>129252995>>129256451>people who are a fans of music genre which values technicality...appreciate technicality????/mu/tards love trying really hard to sound smug kek
>>129258451>But the albums they made next are way better than uh, anything Dustaine ever made.I didn't know 12 year olds were allowed here>because RtL and MoP literally conquered the genre>when darkness descents and schizophrenia existlol lmao eventhe only thing metallica ever conquered is charts, musically they are just a metal coated katy perryload, reload and even ST anger have better material than any metal these clowns every attempted to play, sans the dave leftovers they tried to scramble together to have any legitimacy as metal writers
>>129258537You're being mocked for calling that trash album jazz fusion retard
>>129256442gee i wonder why
>>129256474He got better band members than Metallica, anon. Marty alone leaves James and Kirk in the dust.
>>129256997>why is Peace Sells so highly rated?It's the perfect angry song. It has simply everything.
>>129257496The remaster is way better but the original mix is fine
>>129260464the only ones that could go toe-to-toe with Megadeth musicianship-wise would be Jaymz and Jason. Kirk, Cliff - too sloppy. and let's not forget that Dave has put a Megadeth-worthy lineup together about a dozen times over the years.
>>129261167And... somehow Dirk is still extremely underrated
>>129244580>>129245447What megadeth albums is the original mix better on?
>>129262011Youthanasia?
>>129262011RIP obviously. Also Countdown and Youthanasia, but who cares about those. All the other ones the remasters are better
>>129262469Youthanasia has the best sounding vocals on Dave, it's a big deal.
>>129262011KIMB is the only improvement over the original. The rest were done very badly.
>>129262971The original mix of Peace Sells is bad. It's worse than KIMB which sounded fine just a bit too classic-metal for the heaviness of the material. Peace sells sounds muddy, tinny, and thin, and there's weird audio clipping towards the end of Wake up Dead that sounds like the tape got damaged or something, the remaster saves it. The one exception is the title track which actually sounds fine on the original, but was remastered badly with the drums being way too quiet and bass too loud
>>129263677the original peace sells sounds fine, not sure what you're on about. the remix sounds overly processed and unnatural, plus dave's vocals sound shrill on it. I prefer the grittiness and weight on the drums of the original over artificial clarity.
>>129262549No it doesn't, his voice sounds goofy and blown out on that, made even worse that he tries to play it straight by going full on pop metal. The big vocal climax on Addicted to Chaos is impossible to take seriously as he fails to hit the high notes. The actual answer for best sounding vocals is actually the obvious pick, it's just RIP
I strongly dislike "remasters"
>>129262469RIP remaster isn't that bad desu, the drums sound so weak on the og mix
>>129263677>>129263775the 2nd peace sells remaster fixes the 2004 and og versionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FNl1zfNThghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w5e61w8rEEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVARJKf3Teghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fas1dkyd-5w2004 version sounds so lifeless, and drums were fucked up
>>129261167>>129260464I think he should've tried to at least do a collab with james
>>129264375No way. Listen to the difference in clarity with the drums in Bad Omen, 50 sec mark. 2004 remaster mogs
>>129265069I like the echo of the drums in the 2011 better, gives it a natural dynamic sound
I'm convinced anyone who complains about the original masters of KIMB or Peace Sells is using garbage equipmentespecially KIMB has a great combination of rawness and still being clear enough to (mostly) appreciate the technicality
>>129265122Fair enough. I prefer crisp, clear drums with good separation, like Rust in Peace
>>129243770Looking Down the Cross is actually the best song
>>129265182I listened to it a while ago. I don't get the complaints. Maybe listening to black metal has fucked me up.
>>129243265Show No Mercy blows this and Fistful of Metal away, and I actually like KIMB and FoM.
>>129243265>Yet no one ever talks about this album?????????????????nigger whatwere you born yesterday?
>>129243265KIMB sucks and I say that as a Megadeth fan. The production is paper thin, the lyrics are juvenile, and there are barely any hooks.
>>129265733Now if you want an album with shitty ass production, this is the one. You can't hear shit in this
>>129268036>and there are barely any hooks.You just admitted that you got filtered
>>129243265Most people are posers and can't get over the shoddy production and Dave's shitty singing.
>>129263865But Dave's voice IS (or was) goofy to the point of being cartoonish and that was what made it good and gave it all the personality. In countdown and Youthanasia we had that sustaining on the notes.
just a reminder to watch the Behind the music docu, it's wildhttps://youtu.be/R3l4kZk2GXc?si=3ntTVaM7ujYK-8H9
Amazing album. The riffs are amazing, Dave and Chris are killing it on solos and drums? That fill on Rattlehead when the song slows down is so fucking good it's unreal. Gar was just incredible.Also I love the OG production too. Never heard the remasters and while I noticed some audio flaws on the originals, it still sounds great to me and I don't need anything else. The only reason this album was lacking attention was because it came out too late. Too much to catch up to. Sill better than most stuff from that era, the energy alone is fucking peak.
>>129268706I absolutely love the production on this album and wish it made a comeback.
>>129268706>shitty production and a bunch of madlads ripping it like madSOULOUL
>>129243265Idk but music is more than mere technical prowess
>nooo the production is not shit, you're all just posers This coping level is truly outstanding. It would even make Mustaine blush
>muh production
>>129263677>The original mix of Peace Sells is bad. It's worse than KIMBAbsolutely not. >there's weird audio clipping towards the end of Wake up Dead that sounds like the tape got damaged or somethingIt sounds like clipping on the solo track. It's still there on the remaster but they managed to 'clean' it slightly. But it's not worth having those tinny drums and tinny bass. All Megadeth remasters suck, especially RiP.
>>129243265last rites / loved to deth is killer... can't believe it was used for an apple commercial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbuFaFSxeFI
>>129273868I acknowledged it was shit while calling you a poser.
One of the weirdest stories I've heard about Megadeth is that Dave fired the guy before Gar because he was pretending to not be black
>>129274156It's amazing how much pop cultural inroads they made. Long before Apple, the bass intro to Peace Sells was used on MTV between scenes. And ofc Dave himself hosted the '92 DNC in support of Bill.
Are the remasters of this album worth it or did they both them? I know a lot of remasters can be if-y.
>>129279160>both*botch
>>129272596And the execution is still great beyond that in Megadeth, even Risk is good on its own.
