>In his video, FINNEAS argued that many conservative arguments surrounding school shootings revolve around the “un-fucking-believable argument” that the right to bear arms must be protected even at the cost of children’s lives. “Every argument I’ve seen for why Alex Pretti’s death was justified yesterday is like, ‘Well, he had a gun.’ Shut the fuck up! You’ve spent 30 years straight telling us that children have to die so that we’re allowed to legally carry weapons everywhere in the United States,” FINNEAS contended.
>>129246732When will the sex tape of him and Billie leak?
>>129246732isnt there already a thread up about this
He will be shilling for Democrats in a few months when the midterm elections start heating up, despite the Dems routinely voting to fund ICE.This guy is the epitome of 1. a performative male, and 2. counterfeit radicalism. Makes sense he's friends with Hasan and Mamdani.
>>129246732Why is it that only liberals care about school shootings? I've been active on the American far-left for nearly 16 years and I've never heard of any anarchist or Marxist bitch and moan about school shootings. Ever. Liberals love to throw it around as a wedge issue.
>>129247005Real leftists understand the need for working people to be armed.
>>129247005A liberal says Republicans are the problem.A radical says capitalism is the problem.
>>129246913This.
lol
Why isn’t he in Minneapolis with the general strike?
>>129246812Hopefully never, I don't wanna see that dweeb dicking down his double D-cup michael jackson-looking sister EVER!
>>129246732it's so funny how much rightoids screech about schools wanting to turn their kids trans but when it comes to them having their faces blow off by an incel they couldn't care less
>>129246732After the Parkland shooting, students were required to use clear backpacks. This policy was extremely unpopular with students. After all, they argued, it wasn't they who shot the place up. Why should they be punished and have their rights restricted because some asshole they had absolutely no control over committed a heinous crime?
>>129250925Which mean, what exactly?
>>129250925law enforcement can only be reactive in a free state. collective punishment is unjust. punishing people for shit they didn't do is fundamentally unjust
>>129246732Why would anybody pay attention to an entertainers opinion on politics? Why did you even bother posting this here? Besides, let’s not actually pretend everything happening right now is just two factions of authoritarians shit throwing at each other.
>>129251024
>>129247027Holy shit this. Gun control is reactionary af.
>>129251106>Gun control is reactionary af.And?
why do school shootings happen exclusively in white schools you never hear of black kids doing this
>>129251234they shoot each other after school
>>129251234Their schools have metal detectors.
>>129251234Black schools have shootings all the time but nobody cares about them so it's not reported on lol.
>>129247005Gun control is the issue liberals use to show moral superiority. Just like how the right uses anti-abortion politics to appeal to emotion.
>>129251234because unironically it has to do with socio-economic factors. Shootings result from incels and they only come from middle-class and upward homes. You never hear of poor people having dating or lack of friend troubles.
>>129251278This. Gang violence in schools is very common in sone cities.
I mean we've always had guns but school shootings really only became commonplace since the 90s or so. It's more cultural changes than anything that explains it.
My wife Umji
>>129251431I believe Paul Harrell (RIP) did a really solid video on mass shootings/gun laws and the availability of 'more lethal' guns in correlation to mass shootings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ-j6eALGc
>>129246732You're telling me this guy is 28?He looks like he's early 40s
>>129251366facts is gun control laws didn't exist pre-1930s, Thomas Jefferson was once asked if a private citizen could own a warship and he said yes
>>129251489Rifles that can mow down crowds in a matter of seconds didn't exist in the 1800s
>>129251563fully automatic weapons also have a really expensive ammo budget so that makes them cost prohibitive for most people. actually even during World War I they had issues with ammo shortages because machine guns used a tremendous amount of ammo.
>>129251489The first Federal level gun control law was the National Firearms Registration Act of 1933 but all that did was require a Federal tax on machine guns as a means of controlling criminal outfits since the reasoning was that Al Capone or somebody wouldn't pay the tax. It was otherwise legal to own them until the 1986 AWB because a libshit Congressman inserted a clause that the government would not longer accept the machine gun tax, thus you couldn't legally own them as there was no longer any way to pay the tax.
>>129251447this is a thread about gun politics, not your waifu faggot.
>>129246913And it’s not like he and Billie have made protest anthems. They aren’t Joe Hill or even Joan Baez but woke-for-pay.
>>129246913>counterfeit radicalismloli guarantee you were saying "conservatism is the new punk" a couple years ago.
>>129252229Only Marxists and anarchists care about denouncing SocDems as fake radicals.
>>129246732>You’ve spent 30 years straight telling us that children have to die so that we’re allowed to legally carry weapons everywhere in the United StatesYou can legally carry a weapon, but if you're harassing law enforcement while armed, there's a chance they'll shoot you.This isn't a hard concept to grasp unless you're being deliberately disingenuous. I have no idea why people who have such room temperature IQ takes on the legal system are even given a platform as if they have anything of worth to sayHe also looks like a loser. He should just accept that his hairline has passed the event horizon
>>129252229>conservatism is the new punkThat's still unironcally trueYou think Republicans are actually conservative?
>>129246913>counterfeit radicalismI prefer the term safe dissident
>>129246913Finneas killed Rosa Luxemburg.
>>129246732Is this Giggens?
>>129246732>this thread is music related because literally who D list trust fund musician has [political opinion]Tu quoque jannies...
>>129252318nothing in that post indicates they're either of those so wrong.>>129252344conservatism in the classical sense of the word doesn't exist anymore. both american political parties are heavily authoritarian. the only difference is their reasoning.
>>129246732apples and oranges retard. anyway the argument is over, it's time for good to wield power lest evil creeps in.
>>129246913More proof the American left needs to fully divorce itself from the Democrats. Don’t let them turn the Minneapolis uprising into a voter registration drive like they did in 2020 during the George Floyd uprising.
>>129246732Why is he not putting his body on the line in Minneapolis?Why are he and Billie not making political music about this time in history when they’re so passionate about being anti-ICE?Poseurs.
>>129246913>not wanting the government to murder its own citizens is somehow a radical positionI can't believe I had to write that. What a world we live in.
>>129252720MS-13 gangbangers aren't citizens though.
>>129252720If people go out of their way to harass and assault law enforcement, eventually someone will be killedIf you actually cared for these people's lives, you'd be convinced them to stop harassing law enforcement. Anyone encouraging them at this point more likely than not wants more "sacrifices" to push their political goals
>>129252744to be fair I think these people kind of want to be shot, they hate themselves and life and are secretly hoping for a dramatic exit
>>129252744Did you people watch the same video as I did? Please explain in great detail how Alex Pretti was "harassing and assaulting" law enforcement while he was on the ground and already subdued
Taysisters??? How do we respond???
>>129252931You realise these people aren't just randomly protesting in the streets? They're specifically going to the sites of where ICE are actually apprehending illegals and getting in the way.
>>129252944Why is he posting the Billboard chart?
>>129252720Did I say that? I said Finneas isn’t radical in the slightest given that he and his sister routinely campaign for Democrats despite the Dems being complicit in ICE terrorism. Why isn’t he joining the PSL or something?
>>129253017Billie and Finneas are obviously taking shots at Taylor with these
>>129246913I hate leftists so much it's un-fucking-real.t. liberal
>>129252958I ask again since you seem to be slow in the head: how was Alex Pretti "harassing and assaulting" law enforcement when he was on the ground and subdued?
>>129253085For what reason? Seems pointless.
>>129252229I guarantee you need a noose around your neck
>>129253085>>129253141Probably for being a billionaire, despite the fact Billie and Finneas are both filthy rich themselves and make their money the exact same way Taylor does (worker exploitation and copyright law). This is just porky-on-porky violence.
>>129253157you won't do shit except screech in front of your computer incel
>>129253141Probably to call out the fact that she's built a career on being this politically savvy spokeswoman only to remain silent on issues that don't directly affect her and her brand of white feminism
>>129253108As I said, if you have countless instances of people showing up to disrupt law enforcement while armed, sooner or later someone will be shot. That's simply a fact of life.The people who are encouraging this sort of behaviour are specifically hoping that people get killed as a result in order to push their agenda and get law enforcement out of their sanctuary cities.
>>129253141They want Taylor to be as performative as they are by speaking out against ICE.Unless you’re making political music — or better yet, going to Minneapolis to join the strike/protests — such “ICE are bad mmmmmkay” posts are worthless.
>>129246913>you can't vote for the slightly worse option unless you agree with them on literally everything
>>129253157Nah, he's right, people like you typically hop from one extreme to another, while principled liberals have been trying to save this country for a decade to the deep chagrin of retarded leftists.
129253182Ok, leftshit
>>129253199>such “ICE are bad mmmmmkay” posts are worthless.They're "useful" if your target audience will respond positively to branding yourself as being anti-ICE.
>>129253199What's the utilitarian difference between making political music and calling out ICE on social media?
>>129253247Protest music lasts and has a cultural impact. IG stories do not.
>>129253219What have liberals actually done? Give examples and don’t deflect to: “yeah but what have leftists actually done?”.
>>129253198At the time we have no idea what motivated him to go there.I ask again for the 3rd time since you are obviously avoiding the question: how was Alex Pretti "harassing and assaulting" law enforcement to such a degree AFTER he was already on the ground and subdued that his life had to be ended?
>>129253306I said utilitarian. All of these posts' goal is immediate mobilization. If an IG story leads to a donation link, a legal aid contact, or a protest location being shared right now, or general fucking awareness, it has more utilitarian value than a song that sits in a spotify playlist.
>>129253219Look no further than Molotov-Ribbentrop. Or how fascists started off as anarchists.
>>129253392Yeah are Billie and Finneas sharing protest locations or donation links? Or just video rants of “ICE is bad?”Again, they’re so performative it’s laughable.
>>129253409Is this what your whole argument hinges on? If they share a donation link in the next 24 hours they're not performative anymore?
>>129253333>how was Alex Pretti "harassing and assaulting" law enforcement to such a degree AFTER he was already on the ground and subdued that his life had to be ended?I don't know why you're acting as if people don't make split second decisions in high stress environments especially when they realise that their target was armed. I don't have any sympathy for these people who are actively interfering with law enforcement, no matter how many times you ask me>At the time we have no idea what motivated him to go there.He had his rib broken in the previous week from getting entangled with another anti-ICE protest. It's quite obvious why he was there
>>129253223What you need to understand is that these people flat out disagree with Finneas and Billie's message on principle. All this whinging about their methods being "performative" is window dressing to make their arguments seem more reasonable. First it's why are they just sharing videos and not links to donations. Then it's why aren't they donating their own money instead. Then it's why aren't they at the protests. It's not that they actually care.
>>129253552>What you need to understand is that these people flat out disagree with Finneas and Billie's message on principle.I don't know why this would be a surprise considering their message is terrible.
>>129253552>Then it's why aren't they donating their own money insteadNever happened. Her fans literally paid for it via increased ticket pricing on top of what they paid her. She even apologized for the "confusion" after getting called out.
>>129253504>I don't know why you're acting as if people don't make split second decisions in high stress environmentsThe officer that killed him took a step back and shot him. That's not exactly split second. He shot someone who had already been beaten to the ground by several other officers. Not to mention I have watched countless police body cam videos over the past several years and I have never seen an officer use lethal on someone that was already on the ground. To ask you for the 4th time since you REALLY don't want to answer this: why is lethal force justified on a subject that was already plenty subdued on the ground?
We need to put celebrities in concentration camps where they can be allowed to continue making their music and movies but don’t have any civil rights
>>129253689>why is lethal force justified on a subject that was already plenty subdued on the ground?A person who may have still been armed, you mean? >The officer that killed him took a step back and shot him. That's not exactly split second.You have no idea what's going through another person's head in that sort of situation and it would be better to stop assuming that you do. Mistakes can happen, but pretending there is some sort of actual malice behind it is dishonest.>To ask you for the 4th time since you REALLY don't want to answer thisI'm giving you my answers. You're just freaking out because I'm apparently not giving you the exact answer that you're hoping for. What answer that is, I have no way of knowing, but you'll continue this farce until I apparently provide it.
>>129253552Donating money to charity = class-collaborationismWhat about that do you not understand? Billie and Finneas have a class incentive to side with basic bitch liberalism over actual radical leftism because they don’t want their class positions to be threatened.
>>129253732Ok so according to your logic, with the bar being extremely low for using lethal force, you would have had no problem with Biden killing every single J6 protestor that were storming a federal government building, correct?
Finneas supports the Minneapolis mayor, doesn’t he?
>>129253792/leftypol/
>>129253783Alright, well let me get out of the way first that I'm not an AmericanSecondly, and let's be frank here: those protestors weren't armed, were they? If they were, they might have actually accomplished something. Your comparison immediately fails right there and then because you're not comparing similar things. In fact those protestors were far more civil than what you see at these anti-ICE demonstrations, aren't they? You've even messed up the numbers too.If you're going to do a comparison, don't embarrass yourself with one so terrible next time
>>129253780Liberals have done more to save Americans from Trump than anarchists with Molotov ever will.
>>129253810>I'm not an AmericanI had a strong suspicion you weren't. Thanks for telling me so I don't have to read the rest of your post.
>>129253862>Thanks for telling me so I don't have to read the rest of your post.Why bother wasting my time with your terrible takes for so long and then try to pull this card instead of engaging with the actual content of my post? Or do you think that that Americans are the only people who have the capacity to have opinions on events over there?
>>129253247Anyone can take ten seconds to call out ICE. Zero effort needed. Taylor will call out ICE tomorrow. Wait for it.
>>129253857Liberals and Democrats are the reason Trump came to power in the first place. Again, the American left needs to fully divorce itself from the Dems.
>>129253783Why are you wasting time arguing with rightoids? They're not human beings and wasting people's time is all that they have, you're better off debating the wind
>>129254009I think it's rather impressive that you can write something so out of touch with reality while simultaneously trying to imply that you have more morals or humanity than other people
FINNEAS would probably have the government take away everyone's guns. But also I don't want to hear another conservative obsess over the ATF, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc after what's happening now
>>129254120>But also I don't want to hear another conservative obsess over the ATF, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc after what's happening nowqrd?
>>129254120Sounds like you're comparing two completely different things, there
>>129254137They are both notable examples of the feds coming after gun owners. Any conservative will be able to rant about those incidents if you get him started. Also in both of those incidents the civilians fought back. Now we have a federal police force killing a guy and justifying it by saying he has a gun, even lying about him pulling it on them
>>129253804This screenshot describes the situation perfectly.Every single time there’s a mini-revolt in America, the Democrats always swoop in and make the revolt all about them. They prop up “voices of reason” like Finneas and Billie, like Mamdani, like AOC and the rest of the squad, etc. in order to tame the rebellion and ultimately get more people to vote for Democrats on the basis the Dems will “fix” the problem that lead to said revolt. Again, I’m 110% sure Finneas and Billie will be obsessively telling everyone to vote (for Democrats) in a few months with the midterms overhead. Because that’s what they have a class interest in doing.Notice how Finneas and Billie will only post things about how evil Trump and ICE are, but they will never post anything in support of the comrades on the ground actually fighting off ICE? It’s for exactly this reason.https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUCKXzGjF3c/
>>129254211You're comparing completely different things with each other. I can understand why you're trying to draw a link between them but you should trying to draw up comparisons between such different situations
>>129254259They don't have to be the exact same situation. If fact, this situation is much more damning for the feds because the victim was not threatening them, never pointed it at them, never fired a shot
>>129254305these are what Finneas wants to go to bat for. i wonder just how little self-awareness he has.
>>129254350>If fact, this situation is much more damning for the fedsNo, it really isn't. Even ignoring the fact that this guy was already known to the feds for violent conduct at other protests.The main difference is that the Waco incident involved a group of people who wanted to be left alone whereas this individual was actively seeking out ICE agents to interfere with their duties
>>129254368>already known to the feds for violent conduct at other protests.The agency had his name but no record of any incident. The one incident you're talking about was when he yelled at some agents earlier this month, and they tackled him and broke his rib. Another totally proportionate use of force according to bootlickers. When I see these small-government conservatives defending a federal police force that can go anywhere in the country, arrest people without warrants, and kill lawful gun owners who aren't even threatening them, they lose any credibility to me.
>>129253669I normally don’t respond to /pol/ threads, but I see some people online saying Billie lied about donating her money via upcharged tickets which isn’t accurate. Yes, it’s true that the donations came from “change maker” tickets that had a higher price. But the tickets were premium seating tickets that would have been much more expensive anyways, not random nosebleeds that she added a fee to. Did she literally donate 11.5 million from her bank account? No. Would she have kept the 11.5 million if she hadn’t donated it? Probably not because a significant portion of it would have gone to her label, touring partner and taxes. But her fans did not directly pay for the donations, the tickets would have cost the same either way. Anyways, just wanted to clear that up because I think Billie is one of the few celebs that believes what she preaches and isn’t doing it for clicks and clout.
>>129254468>Another totally proportionate use of force according to bootlickers.Sorry, but enforcing the border is the absolute minimum that a government should be doing. You cannot call someone a bootlicker for wanting the most basic semblance of law to exist. Even the most ardent libertarian will still agree that illegal aliens shouldn't be in the country to begin with. You seem to be confusing libertarians with actual anarchists.>kill lawful gun owners Except let's be real here, it wasn't the "ownership" of the gun that was the issue here. And you know that yourself perfectly well>they lose any credibility to me.If you're the anon who somehow thinks that this was less justified than the absolute mess that was Waco, that's irrelevant because you don't have actual sensible standards. You believe in the opposite of common sense.
>>129254540>Except let's be real here, it wasn't the "ownership" of the gun that was the issue here. And you know that yourself perfectly wellThen maybe it was the fact that he was legally carrying the gun. The same right wingers who like to march waving guns around are going to believe the bullshit DHS narrative that carrying a gun at a protest is suddenly illegal? There was no justification for killing him. The government knows it which is why they've been lying through their teeth since the moment it happened
>>129246732The correct conclusion to draw is that rightoids are inborn murderers kept in line only by fear, school shooting total deaths are trivial compared to what they all want to happen, and that 2A rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and shall not be infringed
>>129254627>Then maybe it was the fact that he was legally carrying the gun.Carrying a gun while interfering with law enforcement. You're deliberately leaving out details>carrying a gun at a protest is suddenly illegal?First off, let's be clear: this isn't "a protest". They're interfering with ICE while they arrest people. That's not how protesting works.Secondly, it's not that it's illegal to have a gun, but having one on you while interfering with law enforcement only increases the chances of the situation escalating, which it did in this case.>same right wingersYou should stop this immediately considering you can't even articulate what the actual ideals that right-wing people actually hold>There was no justification for killing him. For all they knew, he had additional weapons. It's not hard. Again, you're making this sound like a deliberate and intentional murder to fit your narrative rather than a mistake in the heat of the moment. You won't accept anything that differs from what you've decided days ago
>>129254663This is easily the most sociopathic post in the thread so far. Rather than other people, you should consider reconsidering how you view other people because the lens by which you judge other people is incredibly distorted.Either that, or you're not intelligent enough to actually understand how other people think, whether it be a lack of emotional or just regular intelligence
>>129246732Americans must be having a hell of a month, and it's only January!>>129251234One is bullied loner, and the other one is gang related violence. The former gets more views
>>129254697Kek why are you doing the whole optics game on 4chan, you forget where we are? You can dispense with the sophistry, we all have seen what you are for years now on here
>>129246732Dude probably lives in a gated neighborhood where guns aren't necessary. He's sheltered.
i guess were doing 2020 again and having a bunch of retards larping themselves to death lmao
>>129254846>>129254697>>129254663Lets not that everyone doesn't want their political enemies dead, especially in America
>>129246732Why is this dude's eyes so far apart ?
>>129251091Mass shootings happen in brown countries constantly. Sometimes even in schools. It's just that nobody cares when it happens to them (and honestly who can blame you for not caring).
>>129250925Its because its a pro-male sentiment. Turning your kid female is castration. And incels wouldn't blow people's faces off if they were allowed to end their celibacy by their own choice and not have to resort to paying hookers. I dunno why thats such a hard concept for leftoids to wrap their heads around. Its Foucault's "panopticon" applied to heterosexual male sexuality.
I hate it here.
>>129253219>that imageI swear you got that from r/ultraleft.
>>129254481>I think Billie is one of the few celebs that believes what she preaches and isn’t doing it for clicks and clout.Correct. She believes in liberalism and acts like a stereotypical arrogant liberal. She is not a principled radical in any way and the causes she champions are things the vast majority of white liberals also champion.
Nice music discussion
>>129253804>>129254240The American Left has pretty much liquidated itself in the name of anti-Trumpism. Faced with the threat of Trump, it became little more than the “radical” wing of the Democrats. In the end, it failed even to constitute itself as a Left. Like the remnants of the New Left in the face of Reagan and neoliberalism in the 1980s, the Millennial Left found itself completely overtaken by the changes within capitalism represented by Trump. Today, even the talk of a “dirty break,” which — despite its regressed character and questionable premises — registered at least some awareness of the need to organize a politically independent force for socialism, seems to have vanished. Now the goal is simply to put pressure on the Democrats — a goal that is, from the perspective of the struggle for socialism, fundamentally no different to getting Democrats elected.
>>129246732>You’ve spent 30 years straight telling us that children have to die so that we’re allowed to legally carry weapons everywhere in the United States,” FINNEAS contended.this was NOT a thing until the last couple of years
>>129247171The American people are the problem.
>>129254240>Notice how Finneas and Billie will only post things about how evil Trump and ICE are, but they will never post anything in support of the comrades on the ground actually fighting off ICE? It’s for exactly this reason.They would lose all their brand endorsement deals if they started advocating political violence.
>>129247005Moral blackmail. Way more people in America die due to lack of healthcare than from school shootings.
>>129253085These self-important retards don't understand that the "speaking up" part already happened before the election. The American people want the illegals gone.Fuck these gated-community rich motherfuckers. I wish leftists would take all of their money.
>>129255458What brand endorsements do they have?
>>129255484Plus, ICE was terrorizing people only a few days after Trump took office last year. But due to the midterms it's now a hot topic for celebrities with DNC connections.
>>129246732I'm supposed to care?>>129251447The only time I support kpop fags derailing a thread.
>>129254240Billie did have a voter registration booth during her 2024 tour and fiercely campaigned for Harris/Walz. Trump still won in spite of it all, largely due to the zoomer male vote.
>>129253108crazy how a few years ago you guys were calling for rittenhouses head for bringing a gun across state lines and shooting a jewish child rapist
>>129253182this is what sex havers talk like
>>129255867I 100% believe that all the last minute celebrity endorsements Harris got hurt her more than helped her, especially amongst younger male voters. At the time, there was a big disconnect between the average American and the dems, and bringing on a bunch of rich celebrities that the average man views as spoiled and dumb was not a good idea. The kind of people that would be swayed to vote for Harris by them were already gonna vote blue. Doesn't help that celebs don't have anywhere near the amount of cultural and social influence they once did, mostly due to social media removing all the mystique from them and showing the world they're as stupid and ignorant as the average person, maybe more in some cases. Not like Harris was gonna win anyways, but it was worth a hail mary I guess. You could tell a lot of the singers and actors that endorsed Harris were just there for the paycheck and knew it was a doomed effort based on their body language too.
>>129253219>r-slurwhy do liberals become ableist bigots when they're anonymous?
>>129255947>I 100% believe that all the last minute celebrity endorsements Harris got hurt her more than helped her, especially amongst younger male voters. At the time, there was a big disconnect between the average American and the dems, and bringing on a bunch of rich celebrities that the average man views as spoiled and dumb was not a good idea.I'd add to this and say that it makes even more sense when you consider how Harris was partying with Beyoncé in Atlanta when Hurricane Helene was destroying southern Appalachia. I strongly believe Hurricane Helene is what got Trump re-elected: working-class Americans realized the Dems don't give two shits about them all while they're more than willing to pander to rich celebrities.
>>129253804>>129254240>>129255420shut up chuds
>>129256010>not a democrat>must be a "chud"Read some theory, please.
>>129255947kamala is brat
>>129256023>Readableists are first against the wall
>>129256010I will believe Billie and Finneas are leftists when they stop endorsing Democrats and start praising the anarchist comrades fighting ICE agents in the streets.
>>129256047racist
>>129252333Too bad they shot him after they took his gun. Dont shill for these ice members, most of the guys at the protests are untrainable retards.
>>129246913You do realize Finneas and Billie's uncle is former member of Congress Brian Baird and they have deep DNC connections, right?
>>129255487Gucci and Nike.
>>129256086>Dont shill for these ice membersIf the choice is between people getting rid of illegals and people who are putting their lives on the line for illegals and open corruption, it's not a hard choice
>>129246732luxury beliefs
>>129256000Funny how you ignore the fact that regions which got hit by Helene had enough people actively hostile towards FEMA because of bullshit they read on social media. How do you expect FEMA workers to react when they hear that roughly half of the neighborhoods in some of the town they had to serve were full of self-proclaimed FEMA hunters?Gaslighting local populations on this level was certainly effective in an election year, plus it gave Trump the perfect excuse to defund FEMA and "kick it down to the states." Too bad many states in areas that are most likely to get hit by hurricanes don't have the means of handling their own disaster relief. Isn't that a big reason why FEMA was established in the first place?
>>129256640If your politics are defined by your personal grievances then maybe you should take that as a sign to grow the fuck up and touch some goddamn grass for once in your life. Internet ragebait content isn't real life, retatd.
>>129256898It wasn't just poor people in the regions Helene hit. It was working-class Americans throughout the country. The fact that Harris was partying with Bey when hillbillies were seeing their entire lives ruined by natural disaster was all the evidence Americans needed that Harris didn't give a shit about them.
>>129256911>your personal grievancesSorry, but the average person will almost always vote in the way that they perceive as making their own life better. People don't typically vote in order to make their own living standards worse.So if the choice is supporting protestors who want to abolish ICE and are on the side of illegals and criminals and the other is the agency in charge of removing illegals from the country, I will always support the latter. A society in which the former are allowed to run around and do what they want is a far worse society to live in.>Internet ragebait content isn't real life, retatd.True, but I'm also not the person who died on behalf of illegal Somalians so I have that over him
>>129254481>But the tickets were premium seating tickets that would have been much more expensive anywaysShe still milked her fans and wrote it off as her own charitable donation.
>>129246913He's too rich to be a legitimate Marxist. If the working-class revolts they'll put his head on a stick and he knows this.
>>129257155>If the working-class revoltsI think it's sort of funny that people still pretend that this is how Marxism typically works
>>129257155More like, the petite-bourgeoisie always sells out the working class and sides with the big bourgeoisie.
Do you think he likes to watch her sister getting blacked?
>>129246732can't we just go back to the 90s democrats who were actually sane?
>>129257540They were still trying to ban music and video games with bad words and scary imagery in the 90s and 00s. This censor-hungry faggot in picrel was Al Gore's running mate, how soon we forget. I'm a lifelong registered Democrat (lol) and even I can look back and see they were never on the common man's side. For most it's simply "well, I'm not going to vote Republican, so I'll vote for this guy who also works against my interests, but says Republicans are big meanies."
>>129255947>>129256000Harris was never serious about winning anyway, girl Mondale basically.
>>129255577>But due to the midterms it's now a hot topic for celebrities with DNC connectionsi don't think this is going to help them at all, if anything it'll probably backfire the way Monica Lewinsky ended up costing the Republicans seats in the 98 midterms
Everyone signed to Interscope is a DNC plant because the founder of the label is a longtime big DNC donor.
>>129257612There were SJWs then too, they were always ranting against a strawman Southern Baptist boogeyman.
Ok but seriously how do we (legally and nonviolently) get ICE out of Minneapolis? Their violence needs to be stopped.
>>129256640Oh I didn't know these specific ice members actively making the protests worse were integral to the operation... I guess it's okay they can't follow their basic training then.
>>129255266Even Democrats don't want illegal immigrants. Even socialists like Bernie know you can't have social welfare programs with uncontrolled immigration. Waltz is right that the raids should be done at night>What about the children There's a good chance that many of them are child trafficking victims. Thats why they perform paternity tests in the kids and their "families".
>>129246913What other solutions do you propose?
Just imagine sheltered rich white liberals attacking cops and in some cases getting shot at for illegal drug cartel members. Just imagine that.
>>129259569You can’t. Read How Non-Violence Protects the State by Peter Gelderloos.
>>129253783a chick got shot in the face for trying to open a door on j6 dude everyone knows this
>>129258541That, and Billie and Finneas have family ties to the DNC through their uncle Brian Baird. He is close friends with John Kerry, if that means anything.
>>129259809Do Mamdani and Hasan Piker want open borders?
Look at a map from prior to 1848. They didn't cross the border, the border crossed them.
>>129252944>oh no my song that’s been out for two months is only number three on billboard after having spent five weeks at number one!!!!Anyway
>>129260131Building a strong, competent American left that is entirely autonomous from the Democrats and that isn’t constantly shilling for “good” Dems like Mamdani or AOC.
>>129260198Also, create better and stronger mutual aid networks. Streamline, clean house, bulk up security, find ways to be consistent. Build new institutions to counter elite ones. This is what the left was attempting to do in the 60s.
>>129260178We all know Hondurans are totally native to Minnesota right?
>>129246732Its really amazing how 1 million manhours of social media discussion is about this. Its seriously not that weird man. OK you bring a gun to a place but are annoying enough to be assaulted (probably lady next to him said he hopes the ICE guy mother dies) and he helps her rather than get off the street as ordered.Well, having a gun on you, when you get to that level exponentially increases your chance of being shot by 100 fold. That is just common sense.Nobody EVER said we want to infringe on peoples second amendment rights but as Outkast said don't bring the condom if you don't plan to bang.
>>129260198Kek, look at Finnneas’ IG stories and you’ll see he’s posting more about Ilhan Omar being attacked than about ICE. He is most certainly a Democrat shill.
>>129260151Based anarkid!
My dad is a weird fucking liberal.>Hates blacks>uses racial slurs all the time>also hates cops>sides against the police no matter the situation>Always told me that it would be fine if I was gay. So long as the guy is white.>he hates the idea of race mixing.>is a card carrying democrat.I just... dont know with this guy. He's so old, he might still be a KKK democrat and hasn't figured out there was a swap.He was constantly racist about Obama, but still voted for him.He also isn't happy about my asian GF, but "at least she's not black"
My prediction is that Finneas will quit music and run for Congress in the next few years.
>>129253392Don’t post donation links. Post infographics teaching people how to perform de-arrest and how to protect themselves during violent protests.
>>129261470People's voting preferences can happen for oddly idiosyncratic reasons. There are people with liberal/libertarian beliefs who vote Republican because they prefer Republican economic policies ie. I pay too many taxes gimme my fucking money back and some who vote Democrat because they think voting the other way will result in Pat Robertson coming back from the dead and banning them from weed/gay sex even though they would probably also prefer not having their money stolen from them. My guess is that Finneas is in the latter camp.
>>129252184Fuuuukkk, I shoulda gotten her Fortnite outfit when it was last in shop...
I’m reminded by how Kehlani got cancelled hard for speaking up against US imperialism. She was literally being labeled as a terrorist for the stuff she was saying. Meanwhile, Finneas and Billie do the bare minimum (sprinkled with some Democrat truisms like whining about school shootings) and they’re propped up as “heroic”. Really makes you think.
Fuck liberals.
If Springsteen can drop a protest song, why can’t Finneas?
>>129255458Billie is so huge and has been for years that she doesn’t need to work with corporate brands anymore. Hell, she could easily leave Interscope and become an independent artist on her own label where she can make as many pro-Palestine, anti-ICE songs as she wants.
>>129259569Literally just stop protesting and let them do their job. Even your governor and mayor are telling you to chill tf out. The only deaths have been people poorly protesting. Youre literally just protecting child traffickers and scammers. Most immigrants (legal or not) are actually safe (unless the affiliate with gangs).
>>129260176Piker might because he's bourgeois. Mamdani probably understands controlled immigration is the only way (or he will when he realizes the public schools have too many damn kids).
>>129263372>Hell, she could easily leave Interscope and become an independent artist on her own labelLol. No. They'll destroy her.
>>129260439Ice still fucked up though. They removed the gun, then shot him multiple times. The threat was gone. Literally just tell him to put his hands behind his back, and arrest him like normal. If he reaches for a hidden gun, then you shoot him. This is what happens when you give retards 3 weeks of training and throw them into a city with a history for violent protesting.
>>129251234it's part of the after-school curriculum for them
>>129263734Why? She’s one of the most streamed artists in the world. She’ll survive and probably be bigger.
>>129246913Mamdani supports KKKops.
Who is he even talking to? It's not like any conservatives are Finneas fans. He's just talking to a bunch of libtards.
>>129263854You have no idea what you're talking about and no idea how the industry works. Even Taylor does not dare go independent.
The Eilish siblings are in their 30s and it’s been a complete cover up to make them seem more prolific by writing their ages as way younger. Nardwuar picked this up in an interview when he gave Billie a Lizzie McGuire sleeping bag and Billie was shocked and barely could play off how Nard caught her. No zoomer that age would’ve been familiar with something that was well ahead of her time. Also Finneus always looked old as fuck even when he was alleged in teen years for stuff. Look it up,they’re frauds
>>129264224we always knew that since 2019, that Billie is at least 5 years older than she claims. she was born in 92 or 93. as for Finneas he's the most obvious Millenial hipster i've ever seen.
>>129264224>>129264328They're just aging badly, they're Irish.
>>129263948He's clearly doing this to pander to his liberal fans and music critics so they can call him and Billie "brave".
>>129264194Explain it then. Why would it be disastrous for Billie to dump Interscope and go independent?
>>129246913Source on Finneas being friends with Zohran?
leaked:
>>129265107CONFIRMED KIDNAPPED
>>129265107Fake, ICE agents aren't white.
>>129265063The sheer amount of money required to prop her up and market her, produce and copyright her music, fund her tours, fund her merch, establish publishing and distribution deals, establish brand deals, and many other things. You think she has anywhere near the money to fund that? Are you really so naive that you think she and her brother will just be able to make some songs in his studio and upload them to Spotify and Apple music and make even 1/100th of the money she's making now? Also other labels with other artists competing for screentime and attention, and trying to take down competition which is well documented. Even Taylor, who has much more influence, money and connections than Billie will not go independent because she'll hemorrhage money. Labels and multi billion dollar companies backed by even bigger music groups. The only artist who could go completely independent right now and actually be profitable if she really wanted to is Beyonce, mostly because of Jay Z and his resources, but even she won't because she would not make as much money as she currently is. Also, she got an unheard of deal with Interscope at 14 from her debut single, it's no secret that her family has huge ties and basically gifted her the deal and a lot of perks that other pop stars would kill for. She would never ever go independent because she would lose too much, the first thing being all of the distribution and publishing rights to her songs, which interscope completely owns.
>>129265293Money isn't everything. Political principles matter, and Billie is pretty damn principled.Plus, how do you think she got so big in the first place? It was entirely viral and grassroots. The industry was TERRIFIED of her because she was able to gain a huge fandom through streaming and social media with barely any push from the label. Her rise to fame is proof labels are obsolete.
>>129265317Her rise to fame came after she had already been with Interscope, the second biggest label in the world, for over 4 years. You are delusional and have no idea what you're talking about.
>>129265338She signed to Interscope in 2016 after looking at multiple label deals and choosing the one that would give her and Finneas the most creative control. Interscope wanted her to record in a real studio but she defied the label and kept recording in Finneas' bedroom. Plus, Interscope refused to promote her to radio. She gained a huge following ORGANICALLY based on streaming. Zero payola. She doesn't need Interscope, Interscope needs her.
>>129265347Interscope is pretty known for giving their artists creative control and allowing them to record in any studio they want, they're not like Atlantic who are awful when it comes to that.>Plus, Interscope refused to promote her to radio. She gained a huge following ORGANICALLY based on streaming.It's pretty well documented that Interscope paid a lot to promote her through playlisting on Spotify and Apple Music. Nothing wrong with that, but it's the truth.>She doesn't need Interscope, Interscope needs her.She's not even their highest earner, or probably their second highest either for that matter. I mean, you could go on with your fantasy that Billie will somehow become independent, have enough money to continue affording her lifestyle, and become so big she'll take over the entertainment industry, but I highly doubt she'll ever leave Interscope. She's free to prove me wrong though, but I don't think it will happen.
>>129263854Labels destroy artists' public persona if they leave/do one over. Look what happened to Michael Jackson when he bought the world's most lucrative publishing catalogue and refused to sell it to his label...
>>129265478And what could Interscope do to destroy Billie? She's one of the least problematic artists out there. She doesn't do drugs or anything.
>>129264224This. Billies mom fucks up too and says "omg you live Lizzie McGuire" and Billie has to play it off and use black slang to seem zoomer. Nardwuar does his research by asking family/friends about the artist and Billie's family had bad opsec.
>>129246732This nigger is a retarded fag.
>>129265317Dog read her wiki. She got signed when finneas' band got signed. She was never independent. You fell for more astroturfing. It's pop music .. nothing there is natural. Everything in the major label pop music scene is calculated. Always has been.
>>129265485Anything they want. Even if you think Billie is some kind of saint that has no skeletons in her closet, they could still slander her, make things up, expose whatever bits of dirty laundry they have on her and exaggerate how bad they are. Record labels are not friends with artists, or particularly care about their art. They're there to make money and they know if someone sets a precedent to go against them, they do everything they can to bury them. And it wouldn't just be a single record label, it would be pretty much all of them united. Interscope is owned by Universal Music Group, who also owns Republic, Capitol, Def Jam, and a bunch of other labels. All of them would roll her over if she ever did anything against their interests.
>>129265063>>129265317>>129265347>>129265485https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L-oNQWx48AShe was a corporate puppet from the beginning. Apple Music invested an ungodly amount of money to promote her specifically for the purpose of promoting their Platoon agency. The anti-industry schtick was all smoke and mirrors.
>>129265485Literally just make shit up about her and pat their tabloid connections to spread the fake gossip. The entertainment industry has full control over the entertainment press. One bad picture and some false rumors can completely destroy a celebrity's public standing. Interscope built her up, they can tear her down. Simple as. And Jimmy Iovine has never been known to be a nice guy
>>129265485I could literally just pay some kid and their scumbag family to say Billie molested them at a backstage meeting. Literally one picture of Billie and the kid posing or hugging and boom, the public will think Billie is a diddler. The timing matters too, if she's in your when she'd have to go to trial, her lawyers will tell her it's cheaper just to settle out if court (because paying someone 500k is cheaper than cancelling a multimillion dollar tour that's already been paid for) and boom. Everything is destroyed. That or we could just dig up an old video of her saying the n word.
>>129265568>if she's in your*On tour
>>129257037>illegal SomaliansThe vast majority of Somalians living in the city is at least 90%.>claiming to care about corruptionFormer Florida governor Rick Scott was directly involved in scamming copius amount if money from Medicare, and yet he is currently a sitting Republican enator for the state of Florida. Nobody on the right seems to give a shit about that, and suddenly I'm supposed to take you seriously when you act like you care about this?Get fucked you miserable faggot.
>>129265568>>129265577They would need more evidence to do that.
>>129265602Not really. They could also just get another artist on their roster to say bad things about Billie (she's abusive, controlling, sex addict, creepy with her brother, etc.)
>>129265600While the vast majority are there "legally", that's all going into question. And the admitted scamming isn't helping. Refugee status is easy to prove AND easy to take away. The fact that the autism rate went up with the influx of Somalians doesn't help, either. They thought they could get gibbs and didn't realize the gibbs were drying up.
>>129263931As he should.
>>129265600>The vast majority of Somalians living in the city is at least 90%.Did you have a stroke before finishing to write this?Firstly, legal migration can be just as much of a tool for corruption as illegal migration depending on how it's handled, sure. Secondly, you literally have no idea how many illegals are even in your country because of the lack of documents. And if there really aren't all that many illegals around, then why has so much effort been put into trying to thwart law enforcement from getting rid of themIf the argument ends up being that you have to get rid of nearly every Somalian to clamp down on corruption, that seems like a win-win in my books>muh FloridaI'm not a Yank, so this retarded "muh both sides" whataboutism doesn't work on me. Lock him up too, I don't care. America is a country that is as corrupt as any third world country in the rest of the world.
>>129263750>a city with a history for violent protesting.Sounds like a problem with the city
>>129246913TRVKE
>>129266166>America is a country that is as corrupt as any third world country in the rest of the world.As an American, I agree. But most/all 1st world countries are just as corrupt. Every power structure is corrupt. Americans just don't have laws forcing them to hide it. We're fairly transparent. All your shit is going on behind closed doors and the people who expose it get silenced.
>>129266171It's all a psyop. Ice shot one of their own. The guy was a literal fed and professional agent provacateur.
>>129266395Proof of this?
>>129266386>But most/all 1st world countries are just as corrupt.Not that I disagree, but as someone from a much smaller European country, I feel like the sheer scale of corruption in America is sort of insaneIt feels like every few weeks, another multi-million or even billion dolllar scandal comes out with almost no consequences for the people involved, which would be enough to completely bankrupt a country like mine in half a year.The voter ID issue though seems to be almost a uniquely American issue. Pretty much every first world country and even most of the developing world have the decency to have actual voter ID laws. Without those, you're literally incentivising illegals voting in your systems
>>129266401Do your own research. I'm not here to spoonfeed you, zoomerKidding. I'm talking out my ass. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this VA nurse who apparently might have been unlicensed and apparently was seen doing similar shit in the 2020 Floyd protests isn't a professional instegator or agent provacateur Also the Pretti Good thing kinda feels psyop-y.
>>129266427Again, you only hear about it here because we have transparency and a (mostly) free press. Your shit is behind closed doors and non-state-funded news is basically illegal.
So is he in Minneapolis with the protesters or not?
>>129263931No shit?
>>129255954They wear a mask for everything (hide their racism, homophobia, etc), but then figured calling republican voters retarded was fair game with the logic of "Actual retards can't figure out the internet anyways" and the whole "Don't say the R word" movement ultimately going nowhere. They threw cripples under the shortbus and just say any disability slur.They ultimately are for eugenics.
>>129252958>You realise these people aren't just randomly protesting in the streets? They're specifically going to the sites of where ICE are actually apprehending illegals and getting in the way.Didnt it come out that ICE was just fucking around and the person they claimed to be looking for was already in custody?
>>129253810The people who were attempting the coup at jan 6 were armed:https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-capitol-attack-rioters-had-weapons-including-firearms-2025-01-16/
>>129257612> For most it's simply "well, I'm not going to vote Republican, so I'll vote for this guy who also works against my interests, but says Republicans are big meanies."I would revise that to being people would prefer vote for the imperfect vaguely leftwing party than the party of the orange retard who is best friends with epstein and regularly threatens to wage war against and invade multiple allied countries (greenland, canada, Iceland, and maybe mexico).
>>129265600>The vast majority of Somalians living in the city is at least 90%.>>129266166>Did you have a stroke before finishing to write this?He's saying over 90% of them are american citizens.
>>129266166>And if there really aren't all that many illegals around, then why has so much effort been put into trying to thwart law enforcement from getting rid of themBecause ICE and border control in general is currently acting like the gestapo. a few quick examples:They are violating the 4th by having it being their official position that they can break into your house without a warrant: https://reason.com/2026/01/26/leaked-ice-memo-claims-agents-can-enter-homes-without-judicial-warrants/The vice president supported that: https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2026/01/22/vance-defends-ice-memo-telling-agents-they-can-raid-homes-without-a-judges-warrant/They have started going door to door in some places demanding papers from people in houses:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/08/jd-vance-promises-aggressive-immigration-enforcement/88086884007/They've detained citizens even after recieving evidence that they are citizens:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/09/maryland-woman-us-citizen-released-ice-custodyThey've pressed charges against citizens who they shot (which were dismissed by the prosector or judge because they were lying): https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/21/us/marimar-martinez-shooting-case-what-we-know
>some literal who said a thing about politicsMusic?
>>129270342Someone had a monkey paw and said "I wish the boards didn't become /b/", and it curled... now every board is /pol/
>>129269049Too cowardly to do that.
>>129246732I don’t care about his politics, he’s always been an ass producer.
>>129264810Liam and Noel did lots of drugs and are aging quite nicely
>>129272002He's a technician. He's very good at giving industry people what they want.
this timid centrist rich boy and his sister aren't "left" wing by any stretch
Can we talk about how ugly he is? Is it because he's a ginger?
>>129257540The 90s Democrats were pushing the same shit the Democrats of today push, they were just hiding it better. The Democratic Party today is the inevitable result of what the Democrats of the 90s were trying to push. Advocating for what the 80s and 90s Democrats wanted would just put you in line with the Republicans of today.
>>129277490This.
>>129246913Finneas should read up on CPUSA’s Popular Front and how it inadvertently lead to McCarthyism.
>>129277946cool story, bro. 90s Democrats were timid middle of the road neolibs nobody actually thinks they were "left" wing except maybe Glenn Beck.
>>129252435Keep this shit in leftypol.
>>129265374You sound like a fucking faggot.
>>129269986You're a gay nigger.
>>129246732Shit take from shit people. Pretty should have not spent the last week starting shit with the police and resisting arrest while packing for at least 3 times on camera, it completely throws off the peaceful martyr narrative the left needs so much to push their interests. ICE needs some crowd control competence because that was a shitshow of a detainment. Whomever is still pushing "but muh contradictory republicans" is a shill and it's lying and everyone saying "muh faxist execution SS" should be told to shut the fuck up.
>>129246732Self-righteous imbecile. Moralism isn’t socialism.
>>129281681>ICE needs some crowd control competence because that was a shitshow of a detainmentThey could use better PR, would help if they showed a picture of MS-13 members and said "This is what we fight to remove from your city."
>>129282296They do that retard. And leftists don't care.
Awooga
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Why aren't Billie and Finneas in Minneapolis like Morello and Springsteen?
>>129246913not an american but... which parties don't vote to fund ICE?
>>129284014He needs to stay in LA for the Grammys on Sunday.
