Wagner?
my name is wagnerwhat's up
>>129289169It will fuck Fantano he can't play instruments for shit. Get obsessed with Piano and mog him, he aint worth a shit he is a hack and a traitor (he was from here).
>>129289169Critics know nothing and do nothing but have opinions about everything.
>>129289169Wagner's politics are kinda hard to nail down. Schoenberg, the most revolutionary musical mind of the 20th century, was a right winger, as were Webern and Richard Strauss. As far as I can tell composers who made more challenging and experimental works at the beginning of the last century tended to be on the right, while those who played it safe tended to e on the left (e.g., Prokofiev, Shostakovich, etc.). Fantano's statement shows that his frame of reference for music begins in the 50s at the earliest
>>129289169it was a ragebait tweet from a moron but it is a pointless argument because you will either be unable to convince someone with this opinion that whatever you're talking about is good art or alternatively they will bog you down in endless arguments about what being a 'conservative' means as it relates to whichever era the person you bring up is from
>>129289293I highly doubt that any artsy pseud nonsense that Fantano likes is better than Wagner.
>>129289278>"Incomparably fewer in individual numbers than the lower races, the ruin of the white races may be referred to their having been obliged to mix with them; whereby, as remarked already, they suffered more from the loss of their purity than the others could gain by the ennobling of their blood"What would you call that? Left wing?
>>129289293I don't think you have to go that far. He said>"the next great music" has never come from the right ever. Arnold Schoenberg alone disproves him, and unlike Wagner whose politics were all over the place and varied at different parts of his life, he was extremely right wing the whole way through. But you ware right about Fantano trying to dispute it in that way. Someone brought up Kerouac, and he tried to dismiss it by claiming that the man's interest in drugs meant that he wasn't really a right-winger, so it's clear it's he's not actually serious.
>>129289273Ruffi is the only exception
>>129289371In the 19th century there were likely some leftists that held that position. Racism wasn't inherently left or right wing back then. Think of someone like Jack London who was a dedicated socialist and a vicious racist.
>>129289392I would argue that racism is inherently right wing, because it's a defense of particularity and hierarchy. "Socialism" can mean a lot of things, some of which are right wing, some of which are left wing, and some which are neither. Mussolini was originally a socialist and the NSDAP was literally the "National Socialist" party.
>>129289169I feel like liberals are the same these days, that new bruce springsteen song was trash
>>129289169who? (I know who Fantano is)
>>129289434Believing that natural hierarchies exist is not mutually exclusive with the belief that economic and social hierarchies should be abolished. You have to remember that eugenics was popular with people on all sides of the political spectrum until WWII. In the US it was strongly associated with progressives.Mussolini was a leftist when he was young shifted rightward, and the official name of the Nazi party doesn't mean they were aiming for anything resembling socialism.
>>129289477>Believing that natural hierarchies exist is not mutually exclusive with the belief that economic and social hierarchies should be abolishedIt kind of is though, if you're being intellectual consistent at least. If you believe that natural differences between races should lead to hierarchies, why would you believe that natural differences between individuals within a race (i.e. intelligence) should lead to hierarchy? Maybe you would think that a particular instantiation of hierarchy is unjust, but that's not mutually exclusive with being right wing.>the official name of the Nazi party doesn't mean they were aiming for anything resembling socialism"Socialism" is a term without much real meaning. It can be used for all kinds of things, from fascism to a mixed economy to Soviet-style economics.
19th century conservatism and contemporary conservatism are so far removed from one another that no comparison can be made between them. Fagtano here is talking about contemporary conservatives, who do produce bad art
>>129289549That might have been what he meant, but the way he phrased it makes it seem like he meant something a little broader.
>>129289602not at all. you're just coping and being disingenuous
>>129289169so when was the last time fantano made a song?
>>129289549Metal is a fairly right wing genre compared to pop or whatever and it's a lot better than most other popular genres music IMO. I'd say most of the best popular music of the past half-century was made by apolitical people. As it usually goes.
>>129289169He obviously meant this in the realm of current popular music, not academic or film score music
>>129289851Even if that's true, the fact that "the next great music" in fact has come from the right in the classical genre should destroy his point that it couldn't happen in the future with popular music, no?
>>129289169It makes sense that artists who want to innovate and push for change and all that (shit that leads to interesting music) would have the same additude towards politics. Conservative art is usually boring because it is conservative, it's got no edge and it's got nothing new to offer so who cares. Just the nature of art.This is speaking broadly of course and there's loads of exceptions
>>129289787Metal is dogshit for teenagers and your point about the apolitical is irrelevant to this discussion
>>129290035It's no worse than rock or pop or electronic or whatever other popular music you like. If you're a classical only guy I respect that.
Once again dividing the American people. Cui bono?
>>129289758>"the next great music" will never come from the right. ever.This is phrased in a way that asserts he's talking about a set of politics beyond contemporary conservatism. The use of "the right" instead of something like "conservatives today" means that he's talking about a broader set of politics, and that "ever" means that he's talking about more than just the current moment. Whatever he meant doesn't matter. His actual words make a much broader point, and I choose to assume that he meant what he said.
>>129289465The guy that made the Ride of The Valkyries theatrical song.TARATATARATARATATARAAAAA TARATATAARAAA TARATA TAAAAAAAN!That one.
>>129290035>Metal is dogshit for teenagersPleb take.
>>129289169Triumph of the Will
>>129289169Underoathand most christian bands from Nashville
>>129289169the politics of wagner's time don't correspond to modern politics
>>129289169The tweet that destroyed /mupol/
>>129291099literally anyone in /prod/ or /gg/ plays better than Fantano. He didnt destroy shit.
>>129290035Shalom, Faggot
>>129290498Are there any metal lyricists that convey any thoughts in their writing aside from "I am very sp00ky and angry, by the way, I relate emotionally to characters from fantasy novels and am perhaps an ebin nazi"? The only metal music I've enjoyed was in languages other than English, but I assume the main thrust of the lyrics is more or less the same
>>129291119You're on a music board. You might want to go to /lit/ if you give a shit about lyrics you faggot.
>>129290801>SO THEY TAKE YOUR LIFE >BEFORE YOUR FIRST BREATH>YOU'RE A BURDEN IN THEIR HANDS Pray for the people who are killing the kids of tomorrowHow desperately Fantano needs Jesus Christ in his heart
>>129289278>Fantano's statement shows that his frame of reference for music begins in the 50s at the earliestthats when cultural marxism started infiltrating the arts and the academia. Since then art hasn't been about creating something universally beautiful but mostly about subverting the status quo. Of course leftist artists have thrived in such cultural landscape.
>>129291207Modernism started far earlier than the 1950s.
>>129291141You metalfags couldn't tell the difference between white noise and music. If they could compose anything of worth, they wouldn't bury it under 10 layers of distortion and tape hiss
>>129291336Are you deaf? Listen to this and tell me the notes are buried under millions of pounds of distortion.https://youtu.be/LBIFlz__1EY
All his favorite bands and artists would be demonized if they were to release music today
>>129291479... because they're too woke for trump's america
>>129291567Or they wouldn't gain any attention but if your using different timelines that side of music probably wouldn't exist
alternate universe where cavetown headlines festivals and average white people didn't only grudgingly start listening to rap music because rock got sappy and gayeverybuddy transgender flag hearts nonproblematic and socially conscious music yall i'm calling my opps comrade
>>129289169Imagine letting your brain get melted by the two party meme.
>>129291642>cavetownthat's not ever going to happen
>>129289169Who gives a fuck what Fantano thinks?
>>129290035>>129291119>>129291336You are too uninformed to take seriously.
>>129291119Eh the lyrics in metal don't tend to be very good. But lyrics in pop and rock music aren't very good either most of the time.
The white people brigade post
>>129291815Metal is about power, composition and spectacle. If your riffs suck, you suck. Songwriting and lyrics are secondary.
>>129291830Songwriting and composition are synonyms.
>>129291851Point being: Metal is instrumental before it is lyrical. You can create Metal without vocals. You cannot create Metal from vocals alone. Fuck that lame acapella "Metal" band Van Canto.
This is fucking stupid because anyone today who isn't far left is said to be rightwing. Rightwing now is what was leftwing only ten years ago, so rightwing art has always been around then and has been good.
>>129289169What is a "conservative?" Who are "they?"These words have no meaning without context. A conservative in a western country today would appear to be an ultra far leftist 100 years ago. A liberal 100 years ago would be considered an ultra far right neo-nazi today.
>>129289169He's not wrong you can't conserve the status quo and make some revolutionary piece of art
>>129291955>Rightwing now is what was leftwing only ten years ago?
>>129291119>>129291815Are you fucking retarded?
>>129289169Those words are just empty signifiers.>>129289278This is accurate, though.
>>129291119>Are there any metal lyricists that>Muh lyricsStfu and go read a poetry book, or go masturbate to dylan and cohen. You don't listen to metal for the lyrics, you mainly listen to it for the heavy distorted riffs and the aggressive drumming,or whatever atmosphere the ba d wants to create
>>129289434>I would argue that racism is inherently right wingCountries outside your western bubble are racist for different reasons than your rightoid boogyeman. Are you really going to tell me that southafricans racism toward whites is right-wing?
>>129291119>>129291336
>>129289392The most popular anarchist, Bakunin, was very antisemitic and a friend of Wagner.
>>129289169>damage a Van Gogh because stop oil>deface Stonehenge because climate change>spit paint through a straw>duct tape a banana to a wall>loot and burn down a black-owned small business because fiery but mostly peaceful resistance>"durr durr right stoopid muh pronouns"
>>129289169You did it. You found one exception. Big round of applause.
>>129289169Empathy is overrated normieslop. This guy needs to be shoved into an oven.
>>129298267>"the next great music" will never come from the right. ever.>okay maybe that one time but...>okay there are a few but...>shut up!!!
>>129289169>this thread again
>>129298296>Empathy is overrated normieslopYeah, I agree. *stabs you* Now what?
>>129290035Lemme guess you got your head shoved into a toilet in high school by some jock in a Judas Priest shirt growing up and now you're salty?
Are political ragebait threads the only threads besdies the generals that are active on this shithole anymore?
>>129298320Calm down Ahmed
>>129298320I'm still alive. I'm a zombie.
>>129298336Calming down is overrated normieslop. *continues stabbing you* Gonna cry? It's not fair, huh?
>>129298340FFFFFUUUUUUUU-
>>129289787>Metal is a fairly right wing genreConverge, Lamb of God, Machine Head and Aaron Turner from Isis just made comments condemning ICE
>>129297410This is the post that killed the left
>>129295654I guess it's more accurate to say that white racism is inherently right wing. Black racism against whites is the same kind of seething at upper classes that you'll see in communist thought, so it's different.
>>129298373Okay? I never said literally every metal band was right wing. Just that it's a more right wing genre than say pop or jazz or electronic.
>>129295654Whites are racist out of self preservationBlacks are racist out of resentment
>>129298373So? Most of those bands are entry level
