Hello friends!This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129336154
>ai slop of eceleb slopSlop poster.
>Hurwitz editionwell here's a thread I won't be posting on past this post
>>129346783When Dave speaks, I listen.
Hi dave
>>129346783I'd like that gif more if he were holding famous, renowned recordings.
This dude only plays the black keys on the piano, naw mean?
>>129346820Cursed post. Delete this post right now.
Tchaikovskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLuNIMlnDo4
>>129346820YOU JUST KNOW.
>5/12 of the population>responsible for the majority of the ringinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKJxoyLN__A
shhhhhh
>>129346884kek
>>129346820Dave looking like hes about the review the next opera "Kara Boga" featuring his own performance.
I saw Dave at my local concert hall in '93, told him I wanted an autograph and when he got close I socked his fat tubby face so hard it left him with that lazy eye for life.
>>129346802>ai slopsee the optometrist
>>129347119kek, based. would have done the same tbqhwy
Hurwitz is hated here.
>>129347253Correct.
>>129347253Incorrect.
>>129346886would
>>129347307Desperate.
>>129347311indeed
>>129346820>WHEN I SAY PALESTINE, YOU SAY SORRY
>>129346783I only listen to Keyboard works. Hate everything else.
>>129347555Well start listening to symphonies, that's the real classical.
This is the type of thread you get when you start it with eceleb slop.
>>129347603More like the type of thread where a seething tourist tries to make it all about the OP they dislike.
>>129347641>t. OP eceleb lover
>>129347599Unironically too long, I think I'm a pleb.
>>129347733Yeah, you're a major pleb if you can't into symphonies.
Saw Hurwitz hanging around under the bridge last night giving Oboe reviews for a dime bag.
>>129347555>tfw no kitty:(
>>129347119He only does so under Williamsburg bridge, wonder why?
>>129347555Trips checked. Keyboard only, or also keyboard with other instruments?
>>129348026Mostly solo keyboard but don't mind some concertos
>>129346755das rite
>>129346820These two fatties look like they both get along well at the local KFC, Dave is known for only ordering dark meat though, says he enjoys the flavor more.
I need some music to listen to during my commute. What are your favorite pieces that are ~40 minutes?
>>129348479Beethoven Violin Concerto, Brahms Violin Concerto, Mendelssohn Violin Concerto, Dvorak Violin Concerto, Tchaikovsky Violin ConcertoBeethoven Symphony 3, 6, 7, 8, 9; Brahms Symphony 1-4; Schumann symphony 1-4; Tchaikovsky symphony 4-6; Dvorak symphony 7-9; Mozart Symphony 38, 39, 40, 41Beethoven Piano Concerto 3-5; Brahms piano concerto 1, 2; Tchaikovsky piano concerto 1; Rachmaninoff piano concerto 1-4; Schumann Piano Concerto; Grieg Piano Concerto; Mozart Piano Concertos 19-27Tchaikovsky ballet suites (Swan Lake, Nutcracker, Sleeping Beauty)
This Solti Die Walkure is truly marveloushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF26mlQyfmY&list=OLAK5uy_kDN-hJrZ6m9oL1i_dfKxmcj00GyY16odc&index=11Doesn't get better than that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvmqhJ_xMPIYou can hear some Turangalila stuff in there (02:12 onwards)
>>129348819King and Crespin were both very good, yeah. >Doesn't get better than that.It does :) https://litter.catbox.moe/j334ydrqqlf8w8jn.ogg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7nQlg0Ns30They should add a laugh track after "Lache, Bajazzo"
>>129349434Very nice. Which is that from? I added the Krauss cycle to next if it's from that.
>>129349530Walter's Act 1 excerpt. He was slated to do a full Walkure, but the Nazis got in the way and he had to flee Germany before the project was complete. For a 1935 recording, it is exceptionally vivid. I applied some corrections to it (as I usually do)https://litter.catbox.moe/d195qhlsdfzvomt7.zip
>>129349556Sweet, thanks. No wonder it sounds remarkably clean for an aged recording.
>>129349477https://youtu.be/bm_Xx8OrKWg?si=X9RtNG61sS0Rifp4&t=182Like this.
now playingstart of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 7 in C Minor, Op. 30 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGHqGgV68vk&list=OLAK5uy_mNgiGxuBsfNyVjhuwmkjKOmJNQliVSljE&index=2start of Beethoven: Violin Sonata No. 9 in A Major, Op. 47 "Kreutzer":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otGc0LDU6fE&list=OLAK5uy_mNgiGxuBsfNyVjhuwmkjKOmJNQliVSljE&index=5Prokofiev: 5 Mélodies, Op. 35bis: No. 1, Andantehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvDHkRi53A&list=OLAK5uy_mNgiGxuBsfNyVjhuwmkjKOmJNQliVSljE&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mNgiGxuBsfNyVjhuwmkjKOmJNQliVSljELove Nicholas Angelich, I'll listen to anything featuring him, and Suwanai ain't bad either I guess. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I've always found Beethoven's 9th Violin Sonata spiritually purifying -- whenever I listen to it, I feel like a whole new man afterwards.
>>129348819for me it's Karajan's Walküre with Crespin
>>129349477pretty
what to listen to, what to listen to...
so... no one has any comment on Albéniz's Iberia?
>>129350366I've listened to it years ago and thought it was pretty good but it didn't leave a lasting impression on me.
>>129350366Totally and utterly mid. Still can't believe that made the top 50 list over basically anything else I could have imagined given 10 seconds of thought.
>>129350531They wanted more 20th century representation. Rzewski's The People United Will Never Be Defeated would have been a better choice.
Listen to Arnold Baxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTEH40yiaWMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwS20neKvVMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VvfeJJr52A
Verdi just sounds so goofy and camp, idk
>>129350559Albeniz literally died 9 years into the 20th century. If you want 20th century you had all of Rach, Medtner, Wyschnegradsky, Feinburg, Busoni, Franck, Ornstein, and Dupre to pick from. Fuck throw Sorabji in for some LGBT and diversity virtue signalling if you like. The list was a sad disgrace from a tourist.
>>129350625all I know is I mostly associate/remember Iberia from seeing it on a TC poll of "best 20th century solo piano work"
>>129350625One day you'll learn to appreciate Shostakovich's Op. 87https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQTm8zxJ9Y&list=OLAK5uy_nNwC27kwjNdl9s35fd9KUY8bDm59qP_t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKAVN5ZUdbwgod damn Berg was good when he was on
>>129350782that + Violin Concerto + Wozzeckoh and of coursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl1khcZzb-ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO8zFA7ecdUooooo yeah
>>129350782The blatant Tristan quote always makes me laugh for some reason. Beautiful piece though
Is there a tier list of Tristan und Isolde recordings?
>>129350662Maybe once I hit andropause I will. The only thing that could save them would have been a Gould reinterpretation to breath some baroque dance into them. Maybe I'll give it another shot tomorrow, Scherbakov your favored performer for this piece?
>>129350840>Maybe I'll give it another shot tomorrow, Scherbakov your favored performer for this piece?Much like most of my favorite pieces, I have a handful of go-to recordings for the work. Scherbakov is on that list for sure, and is probably the best recommendation for a first recording, next to Ashkenazy. Plus his piano tone is so gorgeous.
>>129350900Alright.Are you also a fan of Mendelssohn's fugues?
>>129350934I've never really liked Mendelssohn's piano music much. It's basically background music to me. But it is Mendelssohn, so it's worth trying and deciding on your own. Especially this piece,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb7MnRKOcps
>>129350819It's that easy.
>>129351033o wow, sick. Any others?
>>129351066I haven't heard enough of Wagner's other operas to bother making them. For Parsifal I like Kegel's and Kubelik's. If I'm watching it on DVD it's the Stein one.
>>129351033Bernstein, noooooooooo
>>129351076>I haven't heard enough of Wagner's other operas to bother making them.So you especially like the Ring and Tristan? Nice nice. Anyway, much appreciated.
>>129351033Oh yeah, forgot to add the 1928 Elmendorff one, that's a really interesting recording that showcases the super old Bayreuth Tristan. It's another "worth hearing" although it's cut and the sound is not that great.
>>129350625that one is even worse somehow
>>129350625>The list was a sad disgrace from a tourist.It's from the TC page of lists, not any tourist lolhttps://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/
>>129351033Barenboim genuinely in The Best for me
>>129351033you clearly don't take sound quality into it at all (you should)
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's La Forza del Destino (The Power of Fate, often translated as The Force of Destiny) conducted by James Levine.overturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e15CTaC2FRU&list=OLAK5uy_kSNgMXmGtLfAmDkbgODH_DjePk-drwiYY&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnuCYeLwxco&list=OLAK5uy_kSNgMXmGtLfAmDkbgODH_DjePk-drwiYY&index=2
>>129351163If Meier wasn't so meh it would be in worth hearing for me>>129351172Sound quality only matters for me up to a point. Obviously I would rather listen to a fantastic performance in great sound, but in the world of Wagner it's not always so easy. If it is completely unlistenable then it goes into "compromised" no matter how good the performance is.
The only Tristan I needhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp4eOHgnQsc&list=OLAK5uy_mtQPK4xU5QKEWtGa_8efjyRbwWmn9ZVYE&index=2>Hans Werner Henze’s Tristan — described by the composer as a set of “Preludes for piano, tape and orchestra” — is a raptly refined hybrid work comprising passages for solo piano and electronics and is a concerto, a symphony and a piece of music theatre all wrapped into one. >Henze’s engagement with the theme of Tristan stemmed originally from his plans to write a ballet for the choreographer John Cranko. He had already prepared three tapes with Peter Zinovieff, a sound engineer who was one of the pioneers of electronic music in London, where his work had a huge influence on the pop music of that period, notably on Pink Floyd. Among the pieces that can be identified in these tapes are polyphonic works from the Renaissance, excerpts from the Funeral March from Chopin’s Second Piano Sonata and the Prelude to Act Three of Wagner’s Tristan und Isolde. Henze then wrote the virtuosic orchestral parts on the basis of the electronic tracks. He had already begun an initial Prelude for piano solo and to this he now added two more preludes, so that the work finally grew to a total of six movements. The month of September 1973 witnessed a bloody military coup in Chile. W. H. Auden, a poet whom Henze had greatly admired, died in Vienna. And the following month one of the composer’s closest friends, Ingeborg Bachmann, died from the burns that she had suffered in a fire. Henze was plunged into a deep psychological crisis. He finally completed Tristan in Venice, where Wagner had died in 1883.
>>129351257Whenever I hear Henze I think of that funny story Hurwitz talked about where he made him butthurt and caused an incident in the music worldhttps://youtu.be/9uiB_Ui66fI
>The same sense of nocturnal despair is also found with Mahler, who in late July 1910 was working on the opening movement of his Tenth Symphony when he discovered that his wife was having an affair with Walter Gropius. He almost suffered a total mental breakdown but he believed Alma when she assured him that she would never leave him and so he continued his work on the score in Toblach. At the end of this extended movement he incorporated an extremely dissonant nine-note chord throughout which the trumpet sustains the note a. He died only a few months later in May 1911. i know that feel
>>129351278pls don't bully artists, they're sensitive creatures
>>129351281this mid art hoe had like 5 of the most important people in the arts wrapped around her finger, how did she do it
>>129351301Sexuality is the art of women, and in that, she was a master
>>129351217damn, I love Meier...
>>129351281what a cuck. imagine letting your women cheat on you.gesualdo would have fucking killed her.
>>129345745You are the one arguing like a retard. You are also a coward, TJ.>>129346019?https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kneller_Isaac_Newton.jpgDidn’t you realize that he is wearing a wig in most portraits?
Where are the Italian symphonists?
>>129351158>pollThat explains why it comes off like a tourist with mostly only famous composers on the list. Popularity contests never have any truth to them. Looking at the full 200 entries, its crazy that 5 Medtner pieces land in the top 200, and none of them are Night Wind, nor Tragica/Minacciosa. Instead they just pick the most lyrical ones; the tastes of popularity and the masses is the taste of grey and cardboard. 600 Bach pieces but zero (0) Buxtehude pieces, only one Handel suite, one (1) piece by Rameau, zero (0) by Couperin. But clearly we need 50% of the list being Schumann and Liszt slop. Just an awful list all around.
>>129351334Sir, please read the rules of /classical/: arguments may not carry over threads.
>>129351344>and none of them are Night Wind, nor Tragica/Minacciosa.They don't even warrant their own Wikipedia page, anon. Why can't you just be happy you have your own personal, idiosyncratic taste, which isn't representative of how everyone else ought to feel?
>>129351347Shove it up your ass
>>129351204>Metropolitan Opera audiences began an extraordinary love affair with American soprano Leontyne Price immediately upon her debut on January 27, 1961. She was by then an internationally heralded singer and an experienced, refined musician and artist. But more than anything, it was the sheer beauty of her voice that excited her listeners. What they heard was a vibrant, glowing, yet never metallic tone that called forth adjectives like velvety, soft-grained, and elegant. Her vocal production seemed effortless, free, and soaring, with plentiful volume and an amazing dynamic control. And the timbre of her voice was unique, personal, and immediately identifiable—she sounded like no one else. At the age of 90, in a charming interview for the documentary film The Opera House, she commented on her own voice, remembering when she heard the reverberations for the first time in the new Met auditorium, saying, it was “so beautiful you just wanted to kiss yourself!” This was not a prima donna’s vanity, but a mere statement of fact. And the audiences wanted to kiss her too, for hearing Leontyne Price live was an experience not to be forgotten.basedhttps://www.metopera.org/discover/archives/notes-from-the-archives/leontyne-price-a-legendary-met-career/
You are such a god damn pussy that you spam the thread to completion in order to avoid being challenged.
>>129351361Its popular opinion that Night Wind is Medtner's most valuable solo piece, if not his shining jewel of all his compositions, any fan of his music will agree with this, or at least acknowledge it as within his top 5. Its not even my own personal specialized take on the matter, its Medtner at his most uniquely Medtner in a perfected form. Minacciosa sure, too intellectual, modern, and dark for most plebs, fine, but Tragica is up there with Waldstein for a ear worm theme, but the plebs can't even handle that because its too violent. The total disrespect of everything Baroque besides Bach, and the total disregard of everything Classical besides Haydn and Mozart (who wasn't even as good as Clementi at solo piano, yet Clementi only has 1 (one) piece on the list while Mozart has 10~) is enough said about the largely ignorant opinions of the masses. Its a wonder people like Medtner is even on the list at all (Feinberg and Bortkiewicz for instance are not), I can only assume he made it because those who know, know.
Anyone else always skips the first prelude in C major when playing the WTC I
>>129351451You got some strong opinions for someone who started posting here around Christmas. And I don't even mean that as an insult, just an observation.
>>129351485No, it's so wonderful as the introduction to the whole thing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXF2aYAYp7c&list=OLAK5uy_m3Um_otuZExUggk6hwpMo_g_O0kr_r1PE&index=1<3
>>129346820Do you think that Hurwitz and his mother bond over the amount of black dick they have serviced?Probably an army of black guys between them…
If anything, my life would improve if I skipped the first 8 or 10 P&Fs from the WTC; I know the first half of both books far, far better than I do the second half, because I always start from the beginning but I don't always make it through.
>>129349609No woke shit
>>129351496I only have strong opinions in the small niche of keyboard music. Besides that I just see the same human patterns played out over and over again, I mean the choices in the list say it all: lyrical romanticism with zero care for any larger form, and then just picking pieces at random from "the canon" regardless of their relevance to keyboard. I think its a shallow list put together by people who probably spend all their time listening to symphonies and concertos. Tchaikovsky made the keyboard list yet not Couperin, if that doesn't prove what I said above to be true then nothing will.
>>129351557Tchaikovsky's The Seasons is actually bomb.comBut yes, you're always gonna find a romantic bias on any sizeable online classical group, I'll grant that.
>>129351033Pappano's is that bad?
>>129351557>>129351574Samefag pussy
>>129351613thanks schizo sister
>>129351557Or maybe the romantics were just that good.
>>129351617You are an open book, TJ. You are conflict avoidant. If I walked up to you and punched you in the face IRL, you would start arguing with yourself about music reviews. HAHaHA
watching the NBA on mute while listening to classical :)
>>129346783He might have deleted it because I can't find it but Hurwitz once made a video about 'The open definition of classical' where he claimed that the Beatles and practically every kind of popular music today should be considered classical because it will be old one day and all classical music is old. I'm not saying pop music has its place here and there but I don't think someone who only listens to Taylor Swift and Bad Bunny have the attention to listen to a symphony
>>129351574>you're always gonna find a romantic biasI wouldn't even mind the romantic bias if they at least were good at that. No Godowsky on the list either. Fucking Tchaikovsky on the list but no Godowsky's Passacaglia, the whole list is shallow and stupid. I'm telling you its garbage no matter what angle you look at it from, the masses have no taste besides tripe.>>129351628Yeah nothing like formless sloppery for breakfast lunch and dinner. They can't even pick the good romantics. >>129351617Guy is completely schizophrenic at this point, does anyone even know what or who "TJ" is?
>>129351659>>129351637>>129351613>>129351557false flag samefag
>>129351659TJ aka the sisterposter is /classical/ ‘s resident trans janny.
god damned newfags
>>129351667>>129351668>>129351682
>>129351697You are malding, haha
Claude Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JIS4jVui94Erik Satiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey0l-4aGn34Frédéric Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE1NE44w1CoAntonín Dvořákhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4kv2NxKXV8Johannes Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzo3atXtm54
>>129351954All fantastic pieces.
>>129351605It's decently conducted but very vocally flawed and in a way that actively bothers me. Domingo had no business singing Tristan. I am not sure why he even tried. His co-singers are about what you'd expect for the post-90s landscape: uneven and wobbly.If you are okay with the voices then it can probably be promoted to compromised, but I do not find its other qualities to be worthwhile enough to do so.
>>129352304I have to be the only person in the world who is okay with Pappano's Tristan
Eastern European classical is crack for manics. If it doesn't have highs and lows, I don't care about it. And France, they are the soul of Europe and mother of the USA. If it weren't for them we would be eating bangers and mash and shepherds pie.
For tonight's (final) opera, we listen to Strauss' Salome conducted by Daniel Gattihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2feAfWTXe4&list=OLAK5uy_mzOX7nqxJwOsPLok8PmhNA0EbpHyAWrQU&index=1>After the resounding success with Verdi’s Falstaff (Dutch National Opera, 2014) the Concertgebouw Orchestra and Daniele Gatti once again proved their operatic prowess at DNO in Richard Strauss’s Salome, a work which caused a sensation in 1905. The libretto was dark and bold, the music modern and the Dance of the Seven Veils too provocative for the bourgeois audiences of Vienna. Never before had the decadent Zeitgeist been rendered musically in such a confrontational way. Composers from various countries flocked to attend the premiere, and Strauss lived up to their high expectations. To this day, the work possesses formidable power, thanks to the demanding leading role: in this production spectacularly sung ánd acted by Malin Byström. Press quotes: "If you were going to see just one Salome in your life, this would be a good choice" ***** Shirley, Apthorp, Financial Times "What a magma of sound!" ***** Merlijn Kerkhof, Volkskrant "The level of precision and the way Gatti gradually increases the tension is almost unbearable… The effect is overwhelming and leaves the listener breathless." ***** Peter van der Lint, Trouw
>>129352549You sir are an intellectual titan!
>>129352582>quoting amazon reviews
>>129352619Hypes up the recording, and gives the post some gravitas. But mostly I just like how the post looks altogether like that.
>>129352582>a soprano sings with an orchestral accompaniment for two hoursoh Strauss, it's like you wrote music for me and me alone
>>129352654Why can’t you just post like an honest person?
>>129349434I think the most amazing thing about old Wagnerian singers is that they had this ability to sound so conversational during their singing. So much of the way Lehmann inflects her voice here sounds as if she could be speaking right next to you, and yet she is also able to project her volume so confidently, so naturally. The diction, too, is so natural. It really does lend credence to the idea that Wagner's works are supposed to be approached like a stage play. Such a beautiful, sensitive performance.
>>129352759I do!
>>129353029No, you have pretense.
who do you think conducts the very last bars of Götterdämmerung the best?
>>129353117I like to read about music and recordings, so I share text I come across for others to read as well.
>>129353132https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuFVKs5TD-8&list=OLAK5uy_lGZhqd0bh5p9Sf5Ty_5Sh-ATp5TgHOlmI&index=65
Anyone else notice that thread quality started deteriorating rapidly once the daily reminder stopped?
>>129349609>whenever I listen to it, I feel like a whole new man afterwards.Doesn't make any sense. >>129353820No.
Anyone here play the piano, and more specifically, as a self-taught adult? I've been getting into piano (first instrument ever) since a couple of months and I'm really enjoying it but I mostly just learn songs via Synthesia and refine their technique once they're memorized. Tried reading a couple of times but I always get super demotivated because of it. Any general tips?
>>129353820>daily reminder stopped?which daily reminder? I'm a tourist but curious
>>129354593Same here, but it was a long time ago>readingReading the score you mean? I think you can use the score only to see dynamic markings and still rely on synthesia for the notes, its annoying to read sheet music and you will probably commit way more mistakes that way, I personally wouldn't bother really, unless you really want to learn music that is not available in midi format, in which case you will suffer quite a bit in the beginning (as with any learning endeavor)
>>129354624Thanks for the honesty, that's what I would think but all google searches inevitably lead to scores of threads saying literally the worst thing you can do is learn via synthesia. I legitimately don't know how people do it (learn scores). I'm a very fast reader as well so I thought I would have an edge but oh well.
>>129354613https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/128380106/#q128392174
>>129352582I remember this, it's super slowly conducted, something only Wim Winters would enjoy.
>>129354644>how people do it1. print out this image2. put it next to your piano3. get Bartok's Mikrokosmos from imslp.org (or get another collection of beginner pieces, your local library might have some)4. use the image to read the music5. repeat until it is effortlessThere are no shortcuts, sorry.
>>129354644>scores of threads saying literally the worst thing you can do is learn via synthesiaIt's only bad because its limiting, there nothing inherently wrong with it, it's a different notation system, one that lacks the dynamics markings, you will be learning the same notes, unless you aspire to be a great amateur and not just play notes and enjoy the music it wont make any difference, what you shouldn't do is to try to learn the music by playing synthesia, it should be just a visual guide for the notes, exactly like the sheet musicAlso, what >>129354742 said, there's no shortcut, look at the sheet music, look at the image guide, play the note, repeat until you don't need to look at the guide anymore
>>129354593>>129354624>>129354644You absolutely need to learn to read music, forget about synthesia. Start by memorizing notes: treble and bass clefs - GBDFA (Grizzly Bears Don't Fear Anything) and EGBDF (Every Good Boy Deserves Food) or something like that. Look up videos on youtube, there are many. Then start going through Bartok's Mikrokosmos. That will teach you rhythm and sight reading. After you can sight read, start going through minuets from The Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach. And finally, learn Bach's invetions (as many as you can, and sinfonias). If you actually go through all that you will be an intermediate and able to tackle with a lot of the great stuff you like with ease.
Went to Augustin Hadelich's performance of his American Road Trip album last week. Really liked it, especially these pieces:- Daniel Bernard Roumain - Filter. Homage to Jimi Hendrix and an impressive solo violin piece all around.- Stephen Hartke - Netsuke. Starting from part 3.- Ives - Sonata No. 4. Presumably a companion piece to his third symphony but I was unable to hear that. Been a while since I heard Ives 3 though.- John Adams - Road Movies. Especially 40% Swing.- Copland - Hoe-Down.- Beach - Romance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOoEVrT8yDE&list=OLAK5uy_lSb2sNQnnnNoSgPhyNPN89o0IF5p9H5hc&index=14
>>129354658I thought it sounded fantastic, but it's my first Salome. Guess I'll try Solti's sometime soon.
For this morning's opera performance, we listen to Wagner's Siegfried conducted by Sir Georg Soltihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq5_u9JQ_XM&list=OLAK5uy_lpM85PPS7U9T6zTMBbuzgqe5kv6Lkt2L4&index=30Anyone else think these covers are rather meh and soulless? Disappointing for such a benchmark set of recordings.
>>129354875That's a pretty cool program. The only Hadelich I've heard is his Bach S&Ps set, which I didn't really care for. I'll check this out, thanks for the shout.
>>129354875>Jimi Hendrix>Hartke>Ives>John Adams>Copland
>>129355232Can't keep milking the standard repertoire for eternity, anon. And it is 2026.
now playingRachmaninoff: Preghiera (Arr. by Fritz Kreisler from Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, Op. 18, 2nd Movement) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJWJfsrfCEk&list=OLAK5uy_nUUKlEVtKN82v5-30EHOaOC4r8rLTxzrA&index=2start of Rachmaninoff: Trio élégiaque No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okr4BGu0wNg&list=OLAK5uy_nUUKlEVtKN82v5-30EHOaOC4r8rLTxzrA&index=3Rachmaninoff: Trio élégiaque No. 1 in G Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i53i4HVYLuE&list=OLAK5uy_nUUKlEVtKN82v5-30EHOaOC4r8rLTxzrA&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nUUKlEVtKN82v5-30EHOaOC4r8rLTxzrA>Called "a performance of a lifetime" by the LA Times, Gidon Kremer's recent collaboration with Daniil Trifonov and cellist Giedr? Dirvanauskait? features Rachmaninov's two Piano Trios. Both bearing the subtitle "Elegiaque," the first trio is a short, one-movement piece rich in Slavic sentimentality and the second is a memorial to Tchaikovsky. The album also includes Preghiera, Fritz Kreisler's transcription for violin and piano of the theme from Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 2.The greatest recording of this masterpiece? It's certainly up there. Certainly essential listening. As for the piece itself, I'd put Rach's Piano Trio No. 2 easily in the top 5 piano trios of all-time.
Feinberg's 4th is exquisite, what an ominous and menacing piece, and the main theme... I'm in love. Put me in the mood for a return to late Skrjabin, and I might as well keep the performer the same. As always for Hyperion/Hamelin duo, the artwork for this album is perfect for his music and utterly gorgeous, the painter Gaetano Previati has a number of pieces I enjoy beyond this one, especially his "The Chariot of the Sun" is among my favorites, it conjures up a fiery intensity unlike much else. Feinberg compared to late Scriabin... I think the mystery and eroticism that comprises Scriabin is replaced with a deeper descent into outright menace and malevolence. The floaty trills and cosmic wonder is striped away for more violent chords that give a sense of grounded claustrophobia and introspective existentialism. The two meet emotionally the closest at Scriabin's 6th I think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dejZeVo2xus&list=OLAK5uy_m7DhS1gGXwZl4pLIhiEOkpqcyD3pPs1NE&index=15I'm pretty close to closing in on the answer that Feinberg is better, but I don't like to be too hasty for declarations like that. Its lovely to see composers speak similar language, and yet their personalities showcase in such different ways.
>>129355338Hmm, I guess you've sold me on giving those Feinberg pieces a try. And yeah, that album cover is a winner, and is without a doubt a part of the cycle's success -- you see the cover, and you intuitively know it's gonna be quality, and it's suitable to a classic which will endure the test of time.
did you listen to it yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNPsnCZQj0
Anyone want to go and see the Seattle Symphony with me? Let's see what's on the front page for upcoming performances...https://www.seattlesymphony.org/?%40%40item_date=>2%2F7%2F2026>Xian Conducts Iris Unveiledlet's google that>Iris Dévoilée (Iris Unveiled) is a major orchestral work by composer Qigang Chen that blends Western symphonic traditions with Chinese instruments and Peking opera, exploring diverse "eternal feminine" aspects. The piece is set to be performed by the Seattle Symphony under conductor Xian Zhang in February 2026. Interesting. Gonna check that out right now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDK2_d_gAU0That actually sounds... wonderful.What else we got?>Xian Conducts Schumann & Beethovenooo which pieces>Nokuthula Ngwenyama>Primal Message>Robert Schumann>Cello Concerto>Ludwig van Beethoven>Symphony No. 4Beethoven 4? Weak.
>>129355245Embarrassing post.
>complain when contemporary musicians perform the usual standard repertoire>also complain when contemporary musicians perform something new and differentsigh
>>129355187That's why you use the OG covers with your own local playback.
>129355601>complain when contemporary musicians perform the usual standard repertoireDiscipline over the years have gone down and conductors have forgotten what a piece is supposed to sound like
>>129355190> The only Hadelich I've heard is his Bach S&Ps set, which I didn't really care for.I heard him three times live, including him performing actual Bach Partita No. 2 in D minor last September and he always knocked it out of the park. Like absolutely amazing, here's his Sibelius Violin Concerto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qovV8Okvs Also, he looks so happy playing his instrument. I go to my local conservatory a lot - students stage one daily performance Monday to Friday, and it's usually pretty good actually. But they almost always look so serous. I understand they are rated on this of course, but some students look really unhappy with their lives.Anyway, agreed: that Bach S&P recording (I assume you mean this one https://open.spotify.com/album/0FDL1ctBgpoWRQJSGjRX52) is unimpressive. > I'll check this out, thanks for the shout.You're welcome!>>129355232>>129355585People are writing pretty neat music these days, anon. Sure, not everything new is good but I think it would be so incredibly sad if everything worthwhile to say about classical music had already been said.
>>129356088>People are writing pretty neat music these daysno
>>129356232Since the rise of notation software, music is being written more neatly than ever.
>>129356088>it would be so incredibly sad if everything worthwhile to say about classical music had already been said.So go and cry about it, because no one has said more than what has already been said for at least 70 years.
>>129356271>70 yearsShostakovich was still composing in the 70s!>>129356088That's the recording, yeah. In that case, seems like he's better live! >I go to my local conservatory a lot - students stage one daily performance Monday to Friday, and it's usually pretty good actually. But they almost always look so serous. I understand they are rated on this of course, but some students look really unhappy with their lives.Very cool, I should look into doing something like this. I live near a major city.
brahms's 2nd piano concerto sounds like a bunch of mostly unrelated musical material strung together in a random order
>>129355338>I think the mystery and eroticism that comprises Scriabin is replaced with a deeper descent into outright menace and malevolenceHow does the latter not perfectly describe Scriabin's 7th, 8th, 9th sonatas and Vers la flamme? There's not a lot of "eroticism" in those works.>I'm pretty close to closing in on the answer that Feinberg is betterFeinberg's sonatas after the 6th become increasingly dissonant (in a bad way) and meandering. Like, how the fuck can you listen to his 7th or 8th and think they're anywhere near even the worst Scriabin sonata? It's just 20 plodding minutes of shapeless noise. Late Scriabin at least began condensing his ideas into 5-10 minute pieces that have a clear climax and resolution. He understood that you need moments of tension and release, not just constantly tense walls of noise.
>>129356361Interesting how you can confidently state something so factually wrong.
>>129356416>How does the latter not perfectly describe Scriabin's 7th, 8th, 9th sonatas and Vers la flamme?Because not even Skrjabin himself thought thought. In regards to the 7th "He intended the mood of the piece to be ecstatic, evoking images of winged flight, voluptuous rapture and overwhelming forces" and "He depicted bells, clouds, perfume, a ‘fountain of fire’". Even the 9th which he directly compares isn't nearly as outright menacing as the 6th>There's not a lot of "eroticism" in those works.I doubt you even pay attention to what you listen to then, especailly given the evidence above. Sensuality and eroticism is in every sonata he wrote.>Feinberg's sonatas after the 6th become increasingly dissonant (in a bad way) and meandering.Many would say the very same of Scriabin after his 5th, yet I am sure you would be in hysterics over that. I am assuming you are the same person as before that gets very defensive over Scriabin's late works?
Jesus.>>129356617>thought thought.thought that*
BachSatieJosquinPalestrinaMachautIvesBuxtehudeCorelliDebussyBartokStravinskythis is what life is about
>>129356821I don't like any of them except Bach, Debussy and Bartok. Palestrina is only good for studying.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Puccini's La Boheme conducted by Sir Thomas Beechamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtuZrm7o0XI&list=OLAK5uy_nDfVJtPM2cvEMrlHHsqz8EPN1tn1qlbns&index=1>Every so often in the recording industry, there's a miracle, and this is one of them. This 1956 recording was organized quickly in New York, not on the heels of a stage performance and not even with a noted orchestra. All the right singers were in town at the same time--some popping in to sing a few bars before heading for the airport--and the result is the single greatest recording of this oft-recorded opera. The leads--Victoria de Los Angeles and Jussi Björling--would make it special in any case. But Robert Merrill is excellent and Lucine Amara is a light-voiced, French-sounding, ultra-stylish Musetta. This is also the only full-length Puccini recording by the great conductor Sir Thomas Beecham. A classic. --David Patrick Stearns
>>129356243notation software is a chokepoint
>>129357147>Victoria de Los AngelesLooking at the cover, I woulda' bet this was the name of the studio or opera house lol. Dope name.
>>129356821based bbiaa anon
Anons, it's finally out! Yunchan Lim's Bach's Goldberg Variations, get it while it's hot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seVhYzZ3VTA&list=OLAK5uy_k1MeXvJCuzGuEraaLOiziGw_zQWt_xKDU&index=1>25th April 2025: Carnegie Hall has been sold out for months in anticipation of Yunchan Lim’s return to perform Bach’s Goldberg Variations. The whole world watched as a moment of musical history was made. 70 years earlier – and just a few blocks from Carnegie Hall – a 22-year old Canadian called Glenn Gould made a recording of the Goldbergs which was also destined for legendary status. Decca Classics is now proud to present the next chapter in the history of this timeless music and an extraordinary young artist.>The New York Times:“I assumed that the increasing depth of Lim’s “Goldbergs” during the concert might have been him settling in. But after, I wondered if he’d had the intention, or at least the instinct, to turn Bach’s journey into the account of a young man growing up.” Yunchan Lim:“To me, this piece is the journey of the human life told through music—Bach’s portrayal of existence itself. Performing a piece like this is why I do music.” “The first time I heard Bach’s Goldberg Variations was when I was eight years old and I discovered a box set of Glenn Gould’s Bach recordings. When I first listened to it, I was amazed by its grandeur and beauty, and it has remained close to my heart ever since. I’ve dreamt of releasing this piece as a live album from Carnegie Hall.”
Anyways, thats been a whole morning of Feinberg and Scribidi. Time for some elegance and dance, Ramaeu by Pinnock today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seja-5hLE7E&list=OLAK5uy_myHaBdl7J9tx_i8gqI_HY8TYu4HIfrxpM&index=3
>>129357267>I discovered a box set of Glenn Gould’s Bach recordings. When I first listened to it, I was amazed by its grandeur and beauty,Ehrm... based?
>>129356821Ives is garbage.
>>129357267>a box set of Glenn Gould’s Bach recordings. When I first listened to it, I was amazed by its grandeur and beauty, and it has remained close to my heart ever since.Shan't waste my time with this garbage then.
>>129357737It's one of the most influential and acclaimed musical albums ever. Not like he plays anything like Gould. Plus he was a child.
The final movement of Siegfried has the power to save the worldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_Dc1FpVDA&list=OLAK5uy_lpM85PPS7U9T6zTMBbuzgqe5kv6Lkt2L4&index=5>>129355682I like that cover more myself. I can see why Decca wouldn't want to use it today though.
the quality of this general is always directly proportional to the amount of posting regulars who respect Mozart: the less Mozart-loving, the worse the general
>>129357267One of the handful most important classical releases this year. I'll check it out tonight.
>>129358010Figaro, Figaro...
there's TOO MANY pieces I want to listen to, and not enough time in the day ahhhhHHHHHhhhhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVx_yzLhPt4
>>129358040that's Rossini
>>129358116Fidelio, Fidelio...
>>129358104Just listen to Beethoven and Chopin, you don't need anything else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxv8uVYHXFc
>>129358264spoken like a teenager who got into classical through anime and video game OSTs
>>129358287Weird projection.
now playingstart of Fauré: Cello Sonata No. 1 in D Minor, Op. 109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gVAFGii9qg&list=OLAK5uy_n0AGYCeWgd9yPDGRoTDS7grwdyAzSTSPs&index=2start of Fauré: Cello Sonata No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSZgh6I0TGw&list=OLAK5uy_n0AGYCeWgd9yPDGRoTDS7grwdyAzSTSPs&index=5Fauré: Elégie, Op. 24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pjdkOclNm4&list=OLAK5uy_n0AGYCeWgd9yPDGRoTDS7grwdyAzSTSPs&index=7+ some more standalone cello pieceshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0AGYCeWgd9yPDGRoTDS7grwdyAzSTSPs
Don't sleep on Mendelssohn's Piano Trios!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG4jj2kevgIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDoSynZBVg8
>>129358264Add Bach, and sure, if we're just talkin' solo piano music, I could be happy with strictly those three.
>>129358287Correct.
Any pieces or recordings with which you have a negative associated memory? The first time I listened to Richter's famous recording of Schubert's D.960 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lncNcNtGkJY), I found out my then-girlfriend was cheating at me, at that very moment! Needless to say, I've never listened to the recording again, even though I adore Richter and D.960, as we all do.
>>129358717cheating on* me, with some guy she met at the barwhoos
>>129358635if you are under 26 you shouldn't be here
>>129357147Fuck, Puccini wrote such gorgeous vocal melodies!malehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgjWJm4U3-o&list=OLAK5uy_nDfVJtPM2cvEMrlHHsqz8EPN1tn1qlbns&index=9femalehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6x-xDnsOMc&list=OLAK5uy_nDfVJtPM2cvEMrlHHsqz8EPN1tn1qlbns&index=9
>>129357267Gouldbros...we won
Trying to learn to read notation and it makes me feel like such a retard how slow I am. Wish I learned it as a kid but I just didn't think I would ever have to use it.
Never heard Mendelssohn before, where do I start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ595N9NZVg
>>129359196The violin concerto. Definitely not his Lieder ohne Worte, those are a snoozefest.
>>129359196Violin Concerto, Hebrides Overture, String Octet, Symphonies 3 and 4, the list goes on...
>>129358717Was it the one who noticed your emission? kekI can't really think of a piece/recording with a negative associated memory. The best I can do is Mendelssohn's violin concerto which was (coincidentally) just mentioned above. A person who I'm no longer on good terms with (sadly) introduced me to it, and I fell in love with it, I still cherish that memory and it is my favorite violin concerto.
Can anyone recommend a book with starter piano classics?
>>129358264And you can subtract Chopin.
>>129359958Like you subtracted your genitals?
>>129357134Completely acceptable and justifiable opinion, but can you deny the artistic beauty of the Marcellus Kyrie, Gabrielus mass, and sicut cervus?>>129357228I'm still here, Baroque is King, and Renaissance is Queen>>129357491To the uninitiated.
>>129359889When you say starter, do you mean for someone who is learning piano or for someone who can already play something like jazz piano and wants to expand into classical?
>>129360107Learning piano.
>>129360125The only ones I can recommend for a beginner that I would call "classics" are Schumann's Album für die Jugend and the Notenbüchlein für Anna Magdalena Bach. The only other major composer who wrote beginner pieces is Bartok with Mikrokosmos and Für Kinder, but those aren't really classics.
>>129357267well, anyone try this yet?
>>129360035But enough about Chopincel to trans pipeline.
>>129359958>>129360035>>129360321I love that 4chan exists so it can provide me with the experience of reading this exchange lmfao
now playingstart of Dvorak: Quintet for Piano, two Violins, Viola and Cello No. 1 in A major, Op. 5 (B. 28)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM4yDg6Iwro&list=OLAK5uy_kKn5z3YN3ehWKluBfu3UufUCUcnaf6tmA&index=2start of Dvorak: Quintet for Piano, two Violins, Viola and Cello No. 1 in A major, Op. 5 (B. 28)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlgjzfvEc_8&list=OLAK5uy_kKn5z3YN3ehWKluBfu3UufUCUcnaf6tmA&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kKn5z3YN3ehWKluBfu3UufUCUcnaf6tmA
kek
>>129360751Lmao, you make this?
birgit nilsson <3
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Macbeth conducted by Erich Leinsdorfopeninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E36NR1jLfI&list=OLAK5uy_kJuL5zTMT1AQivY9Qd_Ri3lZ6eTGIwaFg&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRiyoTkubNY&list=OLAK5uy_kJuL5zTMT1AQivY9Qd_Ri3lZ6eTGIwaFg&index=7
>>129361048Holy fuck, Leonard Warren could be Marlon Brando's doppelganger on that cover
>>129360751I only listen to Brahms, I'm clearly above the chart.
>>129360751That's exactly what I went through musically, except instead of Sorabji it was Schoenberg, tried Sorabji when I was still at Beethoven/Chopin and then forgot he existed later.
Is D. Scarlatti BABIAA approved? He was born the same year as Bach
>>129360751No Mahler?
damn gotterdammerung is insane
>>129362094Act 2 is the best argument in all of opera
For tonight's final opera, we listen to Dvorak's Rusalka conducted by Sir Charles Mackerras (almost opted for Neumann's whom you can never go wrong with, especially for Czech composers, but this one seems to be the most popular recording)opening overturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6OB2bfmEa8&list=OLAK5uy_md1s_x0pZ0fwKVjYK7HG8fscxoD36W9oc&index=2random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n7HsH-GjwY&list=OLAK5uy_md1s_x0pZ0fwKVjYK7HG8fscxoD36W9oc&index=14>Though Czech opera has often had questionable export value due to linguistic barriers, this first truly international recording of Dvorák's most viable opera--inspired by Wagner's love of mythology and Verdi's melodic drama--suggests that non-Czech artists can be more than just credible. As a water sprite who becomes human for love of a prince, Renée Fleming gives her best recorded performance so far with a dramatic heat and theatrical dimension (plus her customary vocal luster) that her Czech predecessors haven't always mustered. Ben Heppner is a robust-voiced prince, though this one- dimensional role doesn't inspire any special affinity from him. Dolora Zajick is a vivid, vocally commanding witch. The one substantial disappointment is Franz Hawiata as the leathery-voiced water goblin. Conductor Sir Charles Mackerras is less interested in creating surface excitement than in bringing out subtleties that help compensate for the composer's occasional lack of melodic precision, though the big moments are by no means slighted. --David Patrick Stearns>>129362094>>129362203It might be my favorite of the tetralogy.
>>129362094People love the grandeur and drama of Gotterdammerung, but my favourite thing about it is just how much miniaturist genius there is in it, like the transition of Siegfried's Rhine Journey to the court of the Gibichungs that can easily be missed:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAv3L6MhqlQ&t=239s
>>129362361My personal favorite is the quartet with Siegfried and the Rhinemaidens. So much playful writing from Wagner.
I am a 67 years old japanese. Lately I listen to Schuberts music mainly.It just fit my heart.
>>129359667Different ex.
>>129362496Is it true that Japanese dislike Wagner?
When you attend an opera, does the program have the libretto, ideally translated, or just a synopsis? I swear I read once there's also screens with translated subtitles for the action. Or what's the deal?
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoGIGTbniSE&list=OLAK5uy_mWc7ihEkty1WA6AVv5eZ6G84CZm0Z4EV8&index=1
>>129362643>there's also screens with translated subtitles for the actionThat's usually the case. Traditionally you either had to memorise the libretto beforehand, or it was performed in your language, or the lights were kept on for you to read the libretto during performance.
>>129362763Ah, thanks.>or the lights were kept on for you to read the libretto during performance.Supplied there or people brought it? Actually, it would be smart to sell prints of the libretto in the front.
I asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist, and she meowed,>ARRAUWW!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd7TEqgfK18side note, I spent a few minutes looking for the right Arrau performance to post, and came across this great channel with a pretty good selection; seems they like their Arrau just as much as I-- er, my kitty does. Check out their uploads.
>>129363117This Bruckner 7 conducted by Schuricht is really comfy. I don't get why their videos have such low views, they have a fantastic library and the quality is good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pL4vlh9PG8
>>129362643>I swear I read once there's also screens with translated subtitles for the actionI've been to two performances where this was the case so yes it does happen
People always say the Figaro act 2 finale is the longest continuous piece of music Mozart ever wrote. But what was longest instrumental movement? If i had to guess either the coronation concerto's first movement or Prague's first movement (17 mins with repeats)
>>129363380probably concerto 25's first movement or, if you count repeats, one of the adagios/andantes from the piano sonatas (the andante from K. 497 for four hands comes to mind)pic related takes all repeats in it and doesn't commit the usual mistake of playing it molto adagio
>>129363151Honestly that's probably one of the most detailed Bruckner 7s on record
>>129363425I generally try to avoid Bruckner from that generation but it does sound really nice.
>>129362283for me, it's Renee Fleming
Satiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmMTWbAKqYE
>>129363508Why would you avoid Bruckner from the best generation of Bruckner conductors?
>>129362534They have higher IQ, so almost certainly.
>>129364062Then why they make anime hm?
Can anyone recommend me 1980s/1990s Archiv Produktion releases of sacred vocal music? Some examples I already know about and cherish:Music of the Gothic Era (The Early Music Consort Of London / David Munrow)Buxtehude's Passionsmusik (Gardiner)Händel's Marian Cantatas (Anne Sofie von Otter)Schütz's Musikalische Exequien (Gardiner)De Profundis (Musica Antiqua Köln)Bach's St John Passion (Gardiner)
>>129364318They know only children and underdeveloped manchildren taking estrogen would enjoy his music as they transition into becoming Wagnersisters.
>>129364318To be fair tranime is at least much better than western cartoons.
>>129364318>>129364409>>129364495Why are you posting on an anime website, if you hate anime so much?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy995z2vwZY
>>129364523
>>129364523>>129364561>Whitu weaboo waifu warrior: TRANIME WEBSITE!!!11!!1!>Actual Japanese person who owns the site: This is not an anime website.Lol, how will they ever recover?
>>129364561>>129364578It's 4chan a.k.a. anime imageboard.
>>129364603Sorry lass, the literal Japanese owner of the site already declared it to not be an anime website. Weaboo warriors ought to stick to MAL.
>>129364611The owner's declarations have nothing to do with the history and foundational culture of the website.
Finally, some good interpretation and performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaSZpwtgclQ&list=OLAK5uy_nUjW9fYAAkO56G-8oFfLBmc_selkUIS5s
>>129364624>The guy who owned the site for half of its history and has directed its course for that half has nothing to do with its history and culture.Just another wacky weaboo wreck. Take the L.
>>129364640Yep, the guy is irrelevant. This is an anime imageboard to its core.
>>129364561>>129364578>>129364611That is literally a fake post, you can find the exact post number in the archive and the original post had nothing to do with the subject of anime. That newfags still get fooled by this is sadMozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzP-fz7rBLA>>129364523Based kurisuchad
>>129364653>That is literally a fake posTranime induced schizophrenia. >>129364647Sorry, but the words of the actual owner matter more than some random tranime weaboo.
>>129364664>Tranime induced schizophreniaAlright fag give me the archived post
>>129364664>words>matterYou're naive and your opinion is discarded.
>>129364676Take the L already weaboo loser. >>129364684True, what matters is actions, like owning and directing the history and culture of 4cuck.org for half its existence.
>>129364698>shifting goal postsI accept your concession.
>>129364708>goalpostsYou have no idea how to use this properly because you are ESL and spent your life on tranime instead of going to an actual debate class. Just lol.
>>129364718>uhh let me find more ways to justify my sophism and shift goal postsNaive indeed.
>>129364732>doubles down on his inability to handle the English language and debate terminologyHow about this my dear ESL weaboo loser, answer this question and you can "win" your epic online debate: What was the original goalpost I asked of you, and how was it shifted to a new place after you fulfilled the original request?
>>129364759Too long to read coming from a naive sophist, see>>129364732
>>129364763>immediately gives upLol, probably the best play. Although you know as "anon" you don't have a reputation to uphold right? You can just leave your embarrassment behind and pretend it never happened.Well, that is if I didn't know exactly what poster you are. Our beloved Chopindian.
>>129364698I didnt ask for a screencap retard, give a link.
>>129364779Bold of you to assume anyone's reading your fallacious posts on this anime imageboard
>>129364791Excellent post /metal/slopper!
>>129364792>/metal/slopperProjecting now? How about another essay no one's going to read? kek
>>129364791>>129364792>>129364799>goes from talking about tranime to metalHate this general
>>129364809As you should. There are only 5 decent posters here.
>>129364799>Projecting now?You on /classical/ posting Kurisuhttps://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/126201506/#126207902You on /metal/ posting Kurisuhttps://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/123456046/#123458219Curious!
>>129364809Tranime and metal are INHERENTLY linked together >>129364828HH (Heil Heks)Yes, we Chopincels know this.
>>129364828>>129364839Stay curious, over at your contaiment general.
>>129364828>>129364839Kurisu is an extremely popular character and the most popular character in her own franchise.
>>129364847>samefagging
>>129364847>I-It was some other ESL Kurisu poster that loves using debate terms they don't understand, spams midway through a conversations, and also posts HISS recordings of solo piano on /classical/Lol.Lmao.
>>129364828>>129364523>>129364759>>129364839>>129364847>>129364855>>129364874Makise Chris is from a vn, not an anime
>>129364953Who asked? Anyone remember asking which specific tranime format this weaboo waifu is from? No?
Winston is trans and has AGP.
Great thread.
Jite Gute
Wagner raped your minds.
>>129364395I'm confused, it should be trivial to find what else they released and check it out, no?
Midtner is tranime OST core
Clique
Glenn Gould was a faggot who died of AIDS.
Mahler
Mahler = God
Obtained Enslavement
Adam always has at least one song on every album that makes me contemplate something about music, this time as I replaying "The Failure of Transmutation" I couldn't help but notice the fantastic transition of the metal and ambient. At the 3 minute mark, the ambient is introduced into the fold of metal and allowed to play in the background, it is taken away shortly thereafter and it is not until 4:50~ that it comes back - this time as a stronger and louder element. The guitars in this appearance are playing the subservient role instead of the dominant as they were before, the ambient does not leave fully this time, but fades slightly to the background sometimes disappearing and reappearing in periods of 10 seconds or so, this continues until finally it takes the absolute center stage at 9:50~ as the song closer. Very nicely put together and never once feels disjointed or separate of each other, (even the closer contains some amount of guitar notes and drums, even if very minimal).When I say FAS's ambient is filler, isn't transitioned to properly, and don't fit that well, this is what I mean as a counter example. I don't think the ambient in FAS is bad by itself, in fact when all the pieces are taken by themselves they are alright, but they aren't very coherent. Ad Nauseam's Sonorist ambient sections are better as well, especially since they also double down to promote a hypnotic feeling the rest of the music is trying to achieve especially with the vocals.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS7pEffIhmw
What shitpost edish are you trying to spam your way to, lass?
Riffless metal has not yet been created, but in the future it will be, and then metal will finally be good. Until then we have Ad Nauseam.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma3cKFX9_0g
Teitanblood is a perfect aggro metal act, its at the perfect production line right next to the grimy world of war metal (but not being muddy to hell), the absolute shitstorm of trembly guitar feedback noise cutting through all the bassy picking like razorwire through a baldcuck's fat stomach, and the vocals are just unbelievable - literally I worship NSK; I often think metal is a truly underdeveloped genre, but these vocals are so fucking good that I can't help but admire him. How baldcucks can listen to the 90's slop with the montonous boring shit tier vocals is beyond me, NSK sounds like 7 different people at once, and the absolute cocky attitude he has is actual sonic masculinity, I could listen to him do his rapper laugh like 9 times per song and still love it each and everytime.Standard death metal vocals sound monotonous and disconnected from actual emotions.Standard black metal vocals sound effeminate and self-tortured.Need to inject strength/confidence into black metal, and variety/feeling into death metal. NSK reaches into both and pulls out the untouchable well of perfection. He literally reigns supreme over all over vocalists, by a mile.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvZOsAlmgroIts so good, I should just post this shit every fucking day because its an embarrassment to be listening to OSDM after a decade of Teitanblood's Death album existing. NSK and Hasjarl should make a band together, Synarchy of Molten Bones part 2: guitar feedback edition.
Already said many times before, its because of the development. Synarchy is all the fury, aggression, and violence of the most extreme metal while being constructed in a linear form. If it helps to understand, Mitochondria has a similar goal as Synarchy in a different subgenre, only with worse writing and especially much worse vocals.There is a gap. Between the underlying ethos of very extreme metal, and the higher aspirations of classical. If you notice, everything "progressive" in metal is based around taking away some of its violence, in exchange for more "depth" of writing. From ambient tracks, acoustic instruments, rock elements, etc. Synarchy reject this, it takes the depth of writing and applies it to extreme metal with barely even a hint of concession.For instance Fas is an album with concessions, all the ambient sections that share almost no connection with the metal is a concession that they lack the talent necessary to bridge the two together in order to create the feeling they wanted to share. Its a shallow approach to depth that while it does indeed give the result one might be looking for, its also a haphazard irrational composition with obvious "here is the metal part" and "here is the ambient part".Chaining the Katechon has no concessions really, but its repetitions without modulation or growth expose it for what it is: lacking ambition. Its content being "metal" as predefined by the social circles of music. One must have riffs, one must have drums, one must do x, and one must do y.Ehnahre showcase how one can have no concession while still implementing ideas that go beyond "metal". Never once does there ever feel like there are "sections" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zud-xcs4qxE, only one seamless stream of music. Bands like Blood Incantation could take some notes on what real progressive should be.
Serialism is the main way to atonality, and is part of Ehnahre/Jute Gyte style of composition.Sonorism is harder to describe in a short manner besides as a focus on textures, but once you hear Pendereki/Ligeti you'll understand right away; Ad Nauseam has a few very minor touches of it, but only in the non-metal parts.Integral serialism (every aspect of music is serialized from tone to note duration) is probably the end game of filters in music, even I'm buck broke by it from time to time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RQBiWq-LoA
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Gotta laugh at the impotent cucksical posting due to their frustration of THEIR general being dominated so badly. Your general, my choice. Another Jute Gyte BLASTING I'm afraid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eAZHnfe394https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eAZHnfe394https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eAZHnfe394https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eAZHnfe394
