>>129388239
How do the murdertard conspiracy theorists explain his suicide attempt by OD in Rome?

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>Bro is constantly acting like a depressed waster on drugs
>But nah he couldn't possibly have killed himself it must've been Courtney Love

>Guy sings songs that go like "i hate myself and want to shoot myself"
>Guy shoots himself
>Retards be like "must have been murder"

>>129388298
Yeah but he also sang about how he didn't have a gun what now hmmmm????

>>129388289
she's ugly so yes she killed him

That poor man was a good-looking multi millionaire in one of the most popular bands of all time. Time to eat a bullet like a retard fag

2pac pretending to be dead is more realistic

>>129388253
Feelings

>>129388239
>KURT DIDNT KILL HIMSELF
>MICHAEL JACKSON DIDNT KILL HIMSELF
>CHRIS CORNELL DIDNT KILL HIMSELF
>CHESTER BENNINGTON DIDNT KILL HIMSELF
All of them were murdered by rich people and politicians trying to hide their shit

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>dailymail

I thought he just killed himself when he finally listened to the absolute dogshit music they were putting out

>>129388413
I don't get it, how does a high profile murder help hide anything?

>>129388298
the murderer knew that's what it would look like

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Wow

>>129388413
I don't think his passing was due to some psyop, i think what happened is way more simple (but not suicide)

>>129388457
So, they died about 5 minutes AFTER being shot instead of instantly?

Yeah that is classic murder I tell you what, we know ONLY murder victims hold on!

Next month they'll be reporting that Elliott Smith too was killed or some shit as if we didn't already know

>>129388454
>kill your enemy before he exposes you
>convince everyone your enemy killed himself
>no one finds out what kind of shit you did
Are you a retard or did one of the murdered people make you seethe? Cause I'd respect you more if you were a retard

>>129388498
Yeah Chris Cornell and Kurt Cobain had done it - they cracked the crooked banking establishments and were about to spill the beans! They nearly ruined the whole criminal enterprise!!!

>>129388239
anyone w 2 brain cells could figure this out on their own, why would a rock star with everything he could want kill himself?

Why do people get so triggered talking about how this might be a murder? There are a lot of objectively weird things about the case

>>129388413
These are four very different cases. Chester and Cornell aren't suspicious to my knowledge.

There were a lot of legal issues around MJ that spanned years, one of his doctors went to jail for manslaughter.
The Kurt one has been strange since the beginning

>>129388546
Because it was the CIA that killed him

People that belive idiot shit like this also believe the Soundgarden guy was murdered pedos.

>>129388253
Suicidal people can still be murdered dumbass

>>129388253
You mean the first attempt?

>>129388528
>some of the most famous musicians in the world knows about how 90% of all politicians, billionaires and celebrities are pedos
>this is hard to believe apparently
lol

>>129388239
His reincarnation is 31 now, so we should find him and ask him.

>>129388546
Why do people get so triggered talking about how this is probably a suicide when the victim in question has literally had multiple suicide attempts with increasing frequency up until his final attempt?

>>129388825
I'm not triggered, I'm open to either possibility. People seethe when you even mention it, as already happened in this thread

>heroin junkie successfully an hero's after failing only a few weeks earlier
80 iq schizos will say this was obviously murder

>>129388664
only assholes use shotguns

>>129388372
>a good-looking
wasn't a thing with him at the time - i know that blows zoomer minds but it's true, ask any old fuck
>multi millionaire
yup
>one of the most popular bands of all time
they sold about 1/3 of pink floyd total
less than half of led zeppelin's total
less than half of AC/DC's total
about half of U2's total
about 2/3's of Maroon 5's total

they sold about the same amount as The Black Eyed Peas
so while very popular, they were nowhere near the big boys

>>129388413
wtf?
no one says MJ committed suicide

>>129388479
>they
>one person
>they

you've got to stop this woke shit and use proper English, zoom'

>daily mail
you can find more reliable sources on /r9k/

one guy samefagging hard running damage control
we get it bro you hate kurt cobain

>>129388239
He tried to OD multiple time and was resuscitated by others
He said In Utero was a very impersonal album... as if he was giving a clue he was about to un-person himself

On the same album he wrote: on the bright side, suicide.

And I think some high school friend recalled that he said he wanted to become a legend like Hendrix and go out with a bang

Which he did

>>129388983
I don't think you've been on /r9k/ in the past 8 years. It's beyond dogshit

>>129388315
kek

>>129389065
A tabloid paper isn't much better

>>129388413
Probably.

>>129388239
Michelle Wilkins is a known scam artist.

>>129388239
based courtney.

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>>129388298
dude if you think about it, if someone is going so far as to killing themselve... doesn't that mean they are open to other fucked up things too?

maybe he loved courtny so much he wanted to stage it as a suicide so she could get away with killing him

>>129388543
>history of depression, mood swings, suicidal ideations
>such ideations described in his journals
>meltdown onstage in Rome in 1989 culminating in threatening to kill himself
>live performances become a mess from late 92 through early 93, barely perform in 93 due to burnout
>history of close call ODs through 93, including up to March of 94, possiby into early April according to friends in the Seattle area
>multiple fights with Courtney, one of which culminates in the police getting called and taking his guns and ammo
>the gun that kills him is easily traceable to the purchase on his behalf by friend Dylan Carson, a purchase Courtney didn't know about, and so no one she might hire would know about it
>last studio session is wasted for days waiting for Cobain to show up for one day, work on You Know You're Right, and dip, totally unusual compared to prior sessions
>Buzz Osborne at the final performance in Germany is told by Cobain he wants Dave and Krist out and he's sick of the band and might go solo
>Rome 94 OD after learning Courtney cheated on him with Corgan
>effectively the band was broken up at this point and Dave and Krist knew it
>refuses to join Courtney in rehab, drags his feet about going to a different facility for a week, gets into a fight with Krist who tries to drive him to the airport to go, stays a few days and jumps the wall and flies back to Seattle
Man, really sounds like a guy enjoying his life and band

>>129389789
Rome "OD" aka first attempted murder by being forced to drink roofied champagne by Cali and Courtney.
Left in bathtub and then dragged to bed.

The whole "airport" thing is wrong too.
Driven to Krists house for the "retreat" business.
Punched, ran off.
Left car there.

>>129388825
He didn't have multiple suicide attempts. Or any attempts. They were either fake self mythologizing (like the "attempt after getting dumped by a fat retard" line, which was itself a fake story) or in the case of Rome a literal murder attempt by Courtney.

>>129388955
Nirvana didn't get the chance to make nearly as many albums as those bands, so that seems like a crap comparison

>>129389840
>not even mentioning how courtney had the locks changed and gave the keys to carlson

>>129389840
>Rome "OD" aka first attempted murder by being forced to drink roofied champagne by Cali and Courtney.
>Left in bathtub and then dragged to bed.
Super weird then that they got him to a hospital so his stomach could be pumped!

>The whole "airport" thing is wrong too.
>Driven to Krists house for the "retreat" business.
>Punched, ran off.
>Left car there.
First, I didn't say that Kurt took that trip; leaving out that he eventually went by himself later is called "abrieviating the essentials". Secondly, from Heavier Than Heaven via what Krist told Cross:

>That Tuesday, reservations were made for Kurt to fly to Los Angeles, and Krist was enlisted to take him to the airport. When Kurt arrived at Krist’s house, it was obvious he did not want to go. As they took the 25-minute drive, Kurt sobbed and yelled and screamed. On Interstate 5, near the Tukwila exit, Kurt tried to open the door and jump from the moving car. Krist couldn’t believe this was happening, yet with his long arms he managed to hold on to Kurt as he drove, even as his car swerved. They made it to the airport a few minutes later, but Kurt hadn’t improved: Krist had to drag him by the collar, the way a schoolmaster might escort a ruffian to the principal’s office. In the main terminal, Kurt punched Krist in the face and attempted to flee. Krist tackled him, and a wrestling match ensued. The two old friends brawled on the floor of the crowded airport terminal, cursing and punching each other like two drunks in an Aberdeen bar brawl. Kurt freed himself from his friend’s grasp and ran through the building screaming, “Fuck you!” as shocked passengers looked on. The last Krist saw of Kurt was his blond mop turning the corner.
>Krist drove back to Seattle alone, sobbing.
So they were at the airport. Weird point to try to refute.

>>129390022
Dude, I'm Kurt.
I'm telling you how it went down.
Are you going to believe some Courtney grifters making a quick easy buck?

>>129390052
Bitch, I'm the wall behind him, you think I didn't see him splatter me all to hell?

>>129390086
Try not to be an edgelord.
Also, the only exit wound was the roof of the mouth.
And the ear, if you count it.
But that was cleaned up.

Not even mentioning the "wall" would've been a glass pane door quite a few feet away.

>>129388955
Numbers posters continue you out themselves as the biggest retards in a discussion

>>129388955
>wasn't a thing with him at the time
are you insane
nirvana's entire schtick was being radio friendly corporate sanitized rock fronted by a pretty boy

>>129390052
Krist is more anti-Courtney than anyone in this thread.

>>129388239
the idea that kurt cobain was murdered is a common right-wing conspiracy theory meant to insinuate that he wasn't being genuine about his stated views

>>129390192
Clearly you're not listening to what I'm saying.

>>129389789
>Rome 94 OD after learning Courtney cheated on him with Corgan
so it's also likely Courtney had him killed so she could inherit all his stuff. She'd get a lot less if they just divorced. They got married after Nevermind released so if they divorced she wouldn't get any of the music rights to that album.

>>129388413
excepting michael jackson, these are also common right-wing conspiracy theories, the white rockstar (whose explicitly stated liberal views are just a media coverup) got murdered because he was going to expose le ebil leftist pedophiles

>>129390098
>Also, the only exit wound was the roof of the mouth.
No, that was the entrance wound. 30 bbs and a broken piece of shell were found in his brain.

>>129390229
The drug and human/sex trafficking networks in the Pac NW at the very least.

>>129390193
strange how nobody else before or after has committed suicide in the prime of their career as a high profile artist.

>>129390238
>strange how nobody else before or after has committed suicide in the prime of their career as a high profile artist.
this literally happens all the time, rockstars are notoriously prone to offing themselves

>>129390235
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Only entrance/exit wound.

>>129390238
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

>>129390227
You're leaping from "possible and plausible motivation, ergo she did it" when the guy was already an eratic mess of a person from 92 on.

>>129390250
Also fake, just glorified witness killings.

>>129390249
You'd sound more credible if you weren't conflating the two like it was a matter of indifference. If the roof of his mouth were the *exit* wound, he'd have been shot from above and possibly behind.

>>129390276
Alternatively you can translate it as "the only place where blood would leak is where the point of entry was"
Instead of trying to argue semantics.

>>129390265
>celebrities can't kill themselves because they just cant ok

>>129389789
The fact that the gun was bought by Dylan for him pretty much proves that it wasn't someone else shooting him.
Dylan was too much of a simp to do anything on his own. People don't realise but those around Cobain were acting like betas around the alpha, he dominated them all

>>129390292
Pushback is expected.
They mythologize it so you don't question it and just go ooooo and aaaaaa.

>>129388955
Those bands all had decades before Nirvana to sell millions of records and then continued to sell after Nirvana too.
They had a headstart

>>129390296
That's what happens when attractive people know they're attractive. They learn early they can get away with pretty much anything and do whatever they want.

>>129390284
Except his face in the report was noted to be streaked with blood. If you're trying to say that he didn't die by shotgun but something lesser, you'd still have to explain how a killer shoved a bunch of shotgun bbs and part of the shell into his brain from the roof of his mouth.
>Instead of trying to argue semantics.
Is it some kind of unspoken rule that people insisting he was murdered also be entitled to the greatest possible leeway when they're wrong about details like the difference between entrance and exit wounds?

>>129390245
like who? I'm talking about them in their prime, not some geezer offing himself at 60 years old because his best days were long behind him.

>>129390365
Huh?
It seems you've got me mistaken.
>>129390296
>>129390329
This reads like Dylan or someone in that circle trying to excuse themselves.

>>129390258
i'm saying the motivation makes it a 50/50 possibility rather than a 90% probability he killed himself. There's just too much weird shit that I read about over the years that makes it a suicide.

>>129390250
how many of those were suicides?

>>129390386
>guy is known to be suicidal
>writes songs about suicide
>jokes about suicide
>OMG GUYS ITS A MURDER HE WAS GOING TO EXPOSE THE PEDOS
why are chuds like this?

>>129390422
>anon learns about dark humor

>>129388239
They're not presenting much new here that the other private eye hasn't already said many, many years ago.
Kurt wanted out of the band. You can hear him give up singing Heart Shaped Box as the last song of their last show.
He knew he was going to have to get out of all his contracts, pay the other guys for the rest of his life, and get nagged endlessly to get back together.
He was done with Nirvana. He was done with his marriage. That's a lot for someone his age.
Pictures of him shortly before his death backstage at some show with a fan, he looks extremely unwell, even for Kurt.
I think he took his own life before Courtney was able to. I do suspect Grohl wanted the admiration Kurt got, but I don't think he would have had him murdered to get it. He was a replacement for a replacement of a replacement, and I don't think Nirvana meant as much to him as it did to Kurt. I think Dave knew they would fizzle out, and he would start a band with all the material he had been working on prior to Nirvana, and during.
tl;dr it was suicide

Some dudes will look at all the evidence and still believe it's a suicide.
I bet you guys will hold to it when things change.
And maybe even change again.

>>129390382
>Huh?
>It seems you've got me mistaken.
Apologies if you're a different anon.

>>129390386
>i'm saying the motivation makes it a 50/50 possibility rather than a 90% probability he killed himself. There's just too much weird shit that I read about over the years that makes it a suicide.
I don't think there's any way to put numbers to the probability of whether he killed himself or was killed by Courtney. It's certainly weird that the gun didn't blow his head apart more (judging by the coroner and the fact that he could still be viewed before his cremation as recognizeable, just distorted), but then one has to explain why there were bbs all through his brain and part of the shell; anyone trying to shove them up there through his mouth would have to spend more time present when they should want to get away from a residence where people are coming and going looking for him (while hoping evident marks of such insertions aren't discovered by the coroner). And his morphine levels are wild, and I'm not convinced that the guy who was ODing with some frequency during the month prior had the tolerance to hold out, but I also don't know what kind of morphine test they ran or even whether they thought at the time to be clear about it. But, on the whole, you have a guy who was already from his late teen years not very stable, and who in his last three years alive was evidently becoming a mess (growing distant from his band, picking up the heroin addiction, performing mixed bag and sometimes awful shows, hating touring, dealing with trying to maintain custody of his daughter under media scrutiny, even burning out creatively--almost half of In Utero was written at the same time the Nevermind songs were in 90 and 91), which makes it hard to say he wasn't the kind of guy to do something impulsive.

>>129390522
No, I mean you're making up arguments in your head basically.

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>>129390517

>>129390522
Sounds like a lot of conjecture and speculation, anon.
Also, the "cremation" never happened.

>>129390533
I don't get what that has to do with my post.

>>129390548
i think he's saying people would see that pic of dumpy and say its proof he did the diddling and child eating or whatever

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>yep, this is a completely sane man in his late 20's, totally not violent and suicidal or even impulsive, definitely not mentally stuck in high school at all

>>129390566
How does that correlate to what I posted, then?

>>129390574
The issue with what you're doing is you're still trying to prove suicide.
And using what is essentially illegally obtained goods to be used as evidence.

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I think it was a suicide simply because all the roads to the future were starting to close for him.

At the last show in Germany he lost his voice. He went to the doctor who told him he could not sing like that again. So even if he went solo, he couldn't scream anymore, he'd have to learn a new style to sing.

He also admitted he was out of ideas and half of In Utero reflects that. It's a lot of filler plus some older golden songs written in the pre-Nevermind era.

Courtney was playing mind games with him, spreading rumours that she was cheating. In her mind, she was trying to make him quit heroin and toughen up to put her in her place. But Kurt was not very experienced in terms of relationships, he was devastated by the realisation that he cared more about her and she did about him. There are some lyrics on In Utero about 'that divorce' and it's not about his parents'.

Nirvana had exhausted its novelty capital. The unplugged was an attempt to try a new direction, test to see if a more acoustic style could work. And it did but then he later lost his voice, so this stopped being viable.

His diary shows he was more or less in jest getting concerned with aging, losing his hair etc. As he was approaching late 20s, all that pressure and touring was already making him look like he was in his mid 30s, he looked haggard and no longer so young. And he didn't want to fade away.

He was also scared about some guy suing him, something about the video for Heart Shaped Box. Apparently he thought he could lose everything, the house, the money. He might have been a catastrophising type and that made him see his situation in that time in much bleaker tones than you see it from afar.

>>129390617
Just more conjecture and more speculation.

>>129390329
Kurt was a good looking lil beta

>>129390617
Exactly, he probably also realized that he was nearly 30 and couldn't act like a pretentious retard anymore as he got older. Sometimes it's really hard for people to accept reality. Kurt simply never saw a reality where he was a real adult that had to grow up.

>>129390617
If not an AI copy paste, this is decent insight.
>>129390622
Post more new evidence. Change our minds instead of being a whiny turd.

>>129390574
so he was another anti-white white?
he would have love 2020-2925

>>129390617
Elton John lost his voice forever in 1980 and still (kind of) sang for decades.
he sounded like shit compared to the 1970s but he sure made a lot of money.
Kurdt could have done the same

>>129390528
Oh, so my point stands then. Of course you don't care about the difference between entrance and exit wounds or any details. "Semantics," cope.

>>129390538
Go ahead and look up the accounts of their studio sessions and read about the difference between every earlier one and the 1994 session or even the last attempted session with Endino. Go ahead and read up on how their concerts went from late 91 through to the end, hell read about how rough the first concert for the In Utero tour went. Go ahead and look up when the songs on In Utero were written and demo'd as a measure of his creativity--Frances Farmer, Dumb, Pennyroyal Tea, All Apologies, even an early version of Heart-Shaped Box sans lyrics--were all written before Nevermind came out. Go ahead and read up on his reactions to the tabloids in 92-93 and the messages he left a would-be Nirvana biographer. Go read what Dylan Carson related about his last month alive re: drug use and the gun purchase. Or, hell, put together any account of anyone near him from 92-94 who wasn't Courtney: Grohl, Novoselic, Smear, Osborne, his management, his minders like Amy Finnerty, Endino, Anton Brookes, Rob Morfitt, etc.
>Also, the "cremation" never happened.
Sounds like conjecture and speculation.

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>>129390671
You have no idea. His podcast would've been insane, yjk he'd have laughed his ass off at the CK assassination clip

>>129390329
>>129390627
>good looking
>attractive
this was NOT an element in the Nirvana story.
amazing how Zoomers can't understand this

/pol/'s here

>>129390701
He wouldn't be a podcast grifter, he would become a farmer and we wouldn't hear about him anymore

>>129390701
is that done by him?

>>129390726
he had it commissioned

>>129390719
>he would become a farmer
he didn't have what it takes

>>129390649
In order to have a productive argument you have to provide evidence, there's plenty of evidence for "homocide" and all the "suicide" nonsense is really just conjecture and speculation.

>>129390692
Yeah but he wouldn't have wanted to look older and bald.
And he had a doomier personality

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>>129390726
Yup. That's from his journals

>>129390695
Only "exit" wound in the sense that the blood and such exited it.
Not literally.

As to the rest, you don't know the full story and especially don't take one of the "killers" word as the truth.
That's just ridiculous.

>>129390701
Mostly a fuck you to Donald.
>>129390747
A fuck you to the KKK.

>>129390759
>i don't know what i'm talking about so just let me use technical terminology wrong when i discuss the autopsy report
Lol okay retard

>>129390773
Arguing in bad faith.
Talk about whiny turds.
With guys like you around, geez.

>>129390779
Arguing in bad faith would be like using a technical term in a particular context and whining "nooooo i don't mean that" when told how stupid that would be.

>>129390785
No, it's generally when an autist misreads something and then doesn't let you correct yourself and then tries to argue over you after that.

>>129390785
Hey man, if you want to correct yourself you can say
"Uh, did you mean to say exit wound?"

It's that simple, man.

>>129390794
>and then doesn't let you correct yourself
You didn't admit a correction, you doubled down on your misunderstanding of a technical term and said "ackshually, an exit wound just needs to be the wound where blood exits" like a dumbass:

>>129390284
>Alternatively you can translate it as "the only place where blood would leak is where the point of entry was"
>Instead of trying to argue semantics.

>>129390815
There you go.
You misread me.
You'll eventually get it.

>>129390833
This is Jeb Bush tier coping. "Just let me misuse it, please."

>>129390839
Not really, I amended myself.
That turbo autist won't let it go.
It's that simple.

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>>129390846
>Not really, I amended myself.
>That turbo autist won't let it go.
>It's that simple.

>>129390229
Nah Kurts death basically cemented heroin culture and did more harm to white people than the Beatles ever did.

>>129390854
>when you have defeated them, they resort to wojaks

>>129390858
>ackshually an exit wound is da hole where da blood come out of

>>129390863
>what I meant to say is, that's where the blood exited

I hate you fucking zoomer niggers so fucking much.

>>129390869
>now time for me to keep using the technical term without any purpose or argument in mind for the rest of the thread
>all those bbs and the shell in his brain, and the blood the coroner noted all over his face? bah, probably not relevant to whatever dumb point i was making

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>>129390916

>charlie kirk conspiracy retards here trying to prove he was murdered by a drone strike sent back in time by kim jong un

What's Buzz and Dale Crover's official stance, do they think he was rubbed out? Not sure I've ever heard their take.

>>129390939
I don't know. I know they both hate Courtney, and they don't have much good to say about Kurt, but when they dispute anything, it's usually just whether Kurt really had a stomach pain they drove his heroin use (they insist it was just a junkie excuse).

>>129388239
Why can’t people accept the idea that the depressed guy that bought a gun, attempted suicide, and isolated himself from his friends ended up killing himself?

>>129390939
They fired him from producing their album because of how strung out on heroin he was. I think they pretty much knew he was gone.

>>129391057
It's 2026
Everything is the result of a secret plot they are hiding from us

>>129391057
But anon, Courtney did that.

>>129388239
3 million views?

He was friends with Buzz Melvin

schizo bros... I apologize...

I'll choose who to believe depending how Courtney responds to this

>>129390617
>His diary shows he was more or less in jest getting concerned with aging, losing his hair etc
Do you have any of the pages in his diary about this you know of that you could share? I'd be interested in reading what he wrote

>>129388955
> wasn't a thing with him at the time - i know that blows zoomer minds but it's true
I’m a zoomer and this blows my mind

brocken </3 bros refuse to believe a suicidal junkie would kill himself

>>129391070
That sounds vaguely familiar, just sad. He could have turned shit around and still been rich and famous to this day. He just couldn't get over the childhood shit I guess.

most credible non-conspiracy but-still-kinda-conspiracy scenario i can remember hearing is kurt was having an affair with hole's bassist and was going to leave the business and run off with her but she got cold feet at the last minute and he offed himself over it
she also ended up dead of an overdose a few months later (27)

>>129388315
>"i swear i don't have a gun"
>"Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you"

bro...

>>129388239
The letter is too good to be forged

Go to bed cianiggers, it is eurohours and your target demog is sleeping anyways

>>129388457
>Michelle Wilkins
I don't trust women to be competent at anything.

>>129390229
>still going with the culture war bullshit
The people in power don't give a shit about whether someone is a left-winger or right-winger

>>129391805
yeah, I also don't remember him being thought of as this super-handsome guy.
Eddie Vedder was probably the far bigger sex symbol, just from the simple fact that Eddie's face was far more emphasized in their videos than the usually out-of-focus shots of Kurt in Nirvana vids.

>>129388253
>if you attempt suicide and live you become physically impervious to harm from others
big if true

>>129393342
Yeah Kurt was mostly thought of as either a trashy junkie or just a talented songwriter. No one mentioned him as being super good looking. Maybe because zoomers now look trashy as fuck and think its normal (esp the women)

Yo this is crazy.

>>129393377
you forgot it was only a month before his actual suicide you disingenuous cunt. this fucker just didn't want to live at all

>>129393377
>>129395576
Neither of which were suicide attemtps, you feckless morons.

>>129395588
source: my ass

>>129395645
Like I said, feckless morons.
Also source being now a study.
Common sense.
Which I'd say you probably lack.
Same with a sense of reality.

>>129395896
explain the letter

>>129390245
this is what the satanic pedophiles count on you believing

>Daily mail

>>129395907
Retirement isn't suicide.
And the last 4 lines are clearly someone else desperately trying to turn it into a suicide letter.

>>129390574
"kill the rockefellers" is so unbelievably telling and if you were paying attention to the fucking news right now you'd at least have your mind partially blown but somehow you're still stuck on suicide..

please for a second research "rockefellers" and look at how far back they go and what they and other wealthy families of bankers have done throughout history TO THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD


a lot of the Seattle scene were smart fucking dudes and they were trying to tell people about this shit in their music. there's examples if you search with this context in mind.

>>129396055
>the deep state was deep in his journals
>instead of just jailing him for drug possession or his jewish management dropping him and blacklisting him from the industry by pretexts

>>129391758
I have the diaries but it's hundreds of pages with scanned pages from the originals. It would take me hours to find where I read that.
You can find the files on the internet and dig through them

>>129390574
>No Rothschilds
Come on, Kurt. You had one job.

>>129390022
>That Tuesday, reservations were made for Kurt to fly to Los Angeles, and Krist was enlisted to take him to the airport. When Kurt arrived at Krist’s house, it was obvious he did not want to go. As they took the 25-minute drive, Kurt sobbed and yelled and screamed. On Interstate 5, near the Tukwila exit, Kurt tried to open the door and jump from the moving car. Krist couldn’t believe this was happening, yet with his long arms he managed to hold on to Kurt as he drove, even as his car swerved. They made it to the airport a few minutes later,
What happened in that conversation to make it escalate like that? I know he was bipolar but he already showed up to Krist's house knowing he was getting dropped off at the airport to go to rehab, he could've just as easily not gone over to Krist's and fucked off somewhere. Also makes me think the fight at the airport is what sent him over the edge, because iirc he asked Dylan to buy the shotgun for him after this and he signed a fan's autograph April 5th which was like 4 or 5 days out from that point, not a simple 1 day mix-up.

>>129397142
Idk after reading through the guy's diaries, he seems to me like he was a terminal case of main character syndrome
He couldn't help but turn his problems into everyone else's, like he really had to create a big stir about 'his case'

So if he already had reached the peak of fame, where else could he go, what else could he evolve into? The reverse. Destroying fame, destroying relations with band mates, acting like an unruly junkie, saying fuck it to everything then blowing his brains because that was the only major event he could create after he couldn't top his achievements in music

Really the only way out for him in that situation was literally out

>>129390633
This is nonsense. He was an independently wealthy superstar on course to both get divorced and get out of his band. Neither are pleasant experiences, particularly given he had a kid, but both make you want to see them through to the end. In Kurt's case, his end was breaking free of two situations he intensely hated to regain his personal and artistic freedom. As a multimillionaire with a perennial diamond superrecord under his belt, he could thereafter devote the rest of his life to making the least commercial music of all time, and he still would have been more than fine thereafter.

Courtney killed him because she would've missed out on hundreds of millions if he divorced her before he died. She's on record at trying to kill for much less money than that. Why would she be less likely to do it for much more?

https://gulfnews.com/entertainment/hollywood/courtney-love-settles-kurt-cobain-guitar-murder-plot-lawsuit-1.86208194

>>129397142
>What happened in that conversation to make it escalate like that? I know he was bipolar but he already showed up to Krist's house knowing he was getting dropped off at the airport to go to rehab, he could've just as easily not gone over to Krist's and fucked off somewhere. Also makes me think the fight at the airport is what sent him over the edge, because iirc he asked Dylan to buy the shotgun for him after this and he signed a fan's autograph April 5th which was like 4 or 5 days out from that point, not a simple 1 day mix-up.
The whole situation was a mess. The big intervention beforehand was everyone in his life saying that if he didn't go to rehab, they were done with him. Courtney said she'd divorce him, his management team said they'd drop him, and Pat Smear was the band representative there to tell him that Krist and Dave would walk. Everything looked like it was going to be removed from his life while in the worst headspace for an addict.

I've been saying this forever

>>129388955
>ask any old fuck
I'm an old fuck and you're wrong about this. Dude was pretty much a male model, all the girls thought he was hot. Same with Evan Dando

>>129392389
Kurt wasn't havibg an affair. He was getting a divorce. That's why Courtney killed him. She would've lost hundreds of millions in the divorce.

>>129397390
Making a lot of assumptions. Check the Nirvana Legacy site on the initial appearances of songs; songs that ended up on In Utero first show up in live shows as early as 1990 (Dumb and Radio Friendly Unit Shifter) and through 91 (Rape Me, Pennyroyal Tea, All Apologies), but Touretes dayes all the way back to 89. Both Scentless Apprentice and Milk It were derived from jams they recorded in Rio, so that leaves a handful of new songs written in 92 and on. His creativity was demonstrably shrinking and he was suffering severe burnout. This is ignoring that he didn't seem to be clear on what he wanted to follow In Utero up with, whether something like the Butthole Surfers, or something acoustic. And moneywise, his situation wasn't as secure as everyone supposes: part of the reason they set up the 93-94 tour and the possible Lollapalooza appearance was to reel in much needed money for himself and the whole team of people working around him.

>>129397390
She called the cops when she discovered he had a gun, despite him swearing that he doesn't have a gun

>>129397570
Courtney didn't care about his drug use. Nor did she want a divorce. She wanted the money, most of which she still knew was yet to come. This'd be true even if they didn't have a prenuptial, but they *did* have a prenup. Courtney, even keeping fifty-percent of the licensing rights from Cobain's share of Nevermind, would have missed out on hundreds of millions in the divorce. Probably more, given that with Kurt alive, *he'd* be picking who to license to. With Kurt dead, *she* picked who to license to, *and* got one-hundred percent of it.

>>129397719
Courtney lost control of his legacy, once the kid got legal rights, it was over.
She had a 16-year window to milk that estate until she had to hand it over.

>>129397719
You can say whatever you want, and it may be true that Courtney didn't really care about his drug use, but it is a fact that she threatened to divorce him at his intervention, and that she went from that intervention to a rehab clinic in L.A. for herself. Those are verifiable.

>>129388546
starting with the fact that a private investigator who courtney herself hired is the one who started the whole thing in the first place, seems kind of odd that in 30 or so years she hasn't sued him for his apparently malicious lies

>>129397708
They're songs. Even when they're autobiographical, they're not you. They're a thing you made. Men of many temperaments write angry, angsty songs.

And Kurt wasn't bipolar. He wasn't anti-doctor. He regularly saw them, bad though his lifestyle could be, and would take . If he were bipolar, he would've been given lithium or valproate or any other mood stabilizer at some point in the '80s. But he wasn't. Not once did a guy who was happy to inject himself with heroin try any mood stabilizer while alive. It's yet another bullshit pro-Courtney lie.

>>129397570
It's a shame they didn't know back then that interventions don't really work, it's fucked up in retrospect but it sounds like everyone in his circle was being sincere. But it's shocking that Krist still dumped him at the airport after he literally tried to kill himself in front of him (jumping out a car on the freeway is a suicide attempt). Dude needed to be admitted to a psych ward, not a detox center.

>>129397815
The guy wanted to milk the subject, make money off of that case, write the book, make the website, etc etc.
Not sure if it worked out for him, but he gave it a shot
I suppose she didn't engage publicly with what he said to avoid drawing attention to what she might have seen as his grift. It's like he was trying to get some money off her by making noise. Whether or not what he said was true. It's just common to try to get something from a celebrity

>>129395588
not according to his friends interview, he tried to kill himself after he made the hotel room all nice and romantic for courtney with stolen vatican candles, but courtney was tired and her puss sore from billy pounding it day before

>>129397825
You're ignoring the point. When you said,
>As a multimillionaire with a perennial diamond superrecord under his belt, he could thereafter devote the rest of his life to making the least commercial music of all time, and he still would have been more than fine thereafter.
That assumes he was still in a place to be productive, and his productivity had dropped substantially compared to what he was doing from 87-91; almost half of In Utero was made up of songs already at least two years old before they sat down to record, compared to Nevermind's much more recent compositions. He wasted studio time in early 94 (unusual for the band) to only work out one song, and then there's, what, Do-Re-Mi demoed in 94? And, again, regarding his financial situation, the postponement/cancellation of the rest of the In Utero tour as well as the Lollapalooza performance was going to put a dent in his income, and, again, Gold Mountain was threatening to drop him at his intervention, and Krist and Dave sent Pat to convey that they would not be continuing on with him as a band if he didn't go to rehab.

He was losing creative steam, the Rome OD killed their tour, his management was going to drop him, and the band was ready to break up, and his impulse was to go to rehab for a few days before hopping a wall to leave, fly back to Seattle, and keep doing drugs.

>>129397839
Absolutely. If I recall, his siter's said as much. In Krist's defense, though, it sounds like Kurt ran off to lose him and got a ride back home by whatever other means.

>>129397801
She didn't threaten to divorce him. This only emerged from Courtney after his death, but it's obviously a lie, since she had neither moral objections to drug use nor would she have personally benefitted from a divorce in any way. She would be not only Kurt's share of Nevermind and In Utero, but every licensing decision thereafter would be done by Kurt. Or if Kurt died, his grandfather perhaps, then Francis Bean. She's the third member of Nirvana because she's Kurt's widow.

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>Well, I can’t really speculate other than what he said to me, which was, he wasn’t at all happy about it, success to him seemed like, I think, a brick wall. There was nowhere else to go but down, it was too artificial for him, and he wasn’t an artificial person at all. He was actually, two weeks after he died, he was supposed to come here and he wanted to record a bunch of Leadbelly covers. It was kind of in secret, because, I mean, people would definitely not allow him to do that. You also have to wonder, he was a billion-dollar industry at the time, and if the industry had any idea at all of him wishing or wanting to get out, they couldn’t have allowed that, you know, in life, because if he was just to get out of the scene, he’d be totally forgotten, but if he was to die, he’d be immortalized. Don’t get me wrong on that subject, I’m not trying to state that I thought that he was murdered due to his wish to get out of the Nevermind hit record mindset. It was just an odd set of circumstances up to that point. So, I always kind of wonder about that end of the business, because when you’re a billion-dollar industry, you’re not a free artist at all, you’re just under a state of Mafia control. I mean, I even had my life threatened, basically twice, from that end of that establishment, because of some people wanting to put out movies with, including some songs that I wrote. I was basically told, for my own good, to say no, and I would say to them, "well, so okay, I wrote a song, and if someone wanted to pay me a million dollars to use it, I should say no?" And they said, "Correct." And they’d just say, "it’s in your best interests." So, I can’t say my life was threatened, but the tone of it was very, very uh…

>>129397946
He didn't need to be productive anymore. He could've spent the rest of his life at home getting high and still died rich as fuck unless he started spending like Nicholas Cage, which he wasn't doing. And there's no evidence he was feeling creative burnout. He had two new albums in development: one a duet record with Michael Stipe and the other a record of Leadbelly covers. He also never had a prior period of unproductivity. Nirvana released a really high-quality studio record every two years, and Kurt thought this was nowhere near enough. He wanted more, not less.

>>129397839
Kurt didn't jump out of a car on a freeway. This is a myth. It didn't happen.

>>129397994
>She didn't threaten to divorce him.
She did, *at the intervention that multiple people were at*.

>This only emerged from Courtney after his death
Duh, she wasn't going to announce to the press that she'd threatened to divorce him while he was still running around after hopping the walls of his rehab clinic. If you mean, "until much later after his death," that doesn't matter; the personal lives of even celebrities aren't like congressional records, they don't require transparency, whatever else you care to think of them. They aren't beholden to us like public servants.

>but it's obviously a lie, since she had neither moral objections to drug use nor would she have personally benefitted from a divorce in any way
Specious. She turned herself into rehab; she plainly failed to do anything like keep clean afterwards, but it's also an open question if things would've gone differently if Kurt himself made the goodfaith effort to stay at rehab and quit drugs. But further, a consequentialist objection to drug use can be made, and signs point to her making that objection: that further use would fuck up their careers, and they'd lose their daughter. Simple. And I would think that there are gains for Courtney through divorce: keeping her daughter, and not sinking with a man ready to throw his career out anyway for drugs. There's not much money to be gained by a guy wasting his wealth and doing everything possible to bomb it further in the future.

But you'd say that gives her more motivation for murdering him, to which I'd ask, why not wait during the Rome incident to be sure he was dead before calling the front desk to get an ambulance? What was she gonna do if he stayed at rehab and got sober?

>>129398043
Releasing an album of cover songs or planning to is a sure sign that an artist is wiped

>>129398043
Nah the project with Stipe was just verbal commitments, nothing material. Probably because he needed to have some kind of future projection. It's like those stars in Hollywood who need to have something to say when they're asked 'what you're working on, right now?'.
And actually it was Stipe who called him, because he heard he was getting erratic and attempted suicide. So it was his attempt to anchor Cobain in something, to give him a reason to hang on.

All this is moot, though, because Cobain lost his voice when touring in Europe, then they cancelled the shows and he flew back and started shooting dope again.

He was running out of road

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A lot have been said about him being someone that was in over his head about the kind of life he got himself into resulting in him becoming a junkie that nods off and drops his newborn child when he's holding it. Which impacted him greatly according to Love to the point in him probably feeling like an imposter or completely hating himself

>>129398076
Yeah no shit because Krist stopped him from doing it. Unless you think he lied about it.

>>129398215
Where? Where did he say this?

>>129398123
No it's not. Labels just don't tend to like them because it means they'll miss out on composition royalties. We'd see them much more often if there wasn't the pressure for the extra cuts from putting out originals.

>>129398043
You're looking at this too much in retrospect; Nirvana has the status it has now in large measure because of his death, there are no guarantees that Nirvana's sales would be where they are now if he hadn't died.

And again, he was in creative burnout. Stipe sent him plane tickets to work on that project for mid-March, and Kurt canceled on it before his intervention; there was nothing "in development," it was a last-ditch effort on Stipe's part to leverage Kurt's respect for him to help him out. He simply didn't have the material, and two-to-three songs written in 94 was substantially less than prior years. And he'd been wanting to do Leadbelly covers for years, he and Dylan Carson had already recorded some material for such a project years before. But an album of covers does not equate to creative activity--the opposite in fact.
>He also never had a prior period of unproductivity.
This is my point, that 93-94 were terribly UNPRODUCTIVE. Practically all of In Utero was written by late 92. He was slowing down and distracted by both drugs and tabloids coverage of his personal life.
>Nirvana released a really high-quality studio record every two years, and Kurt thought this was nowhere near enough. He wanted more, not less.
Again, this wasn't true by 94. There last studio session was spent waiting for him to even show up for two days, they ended up working only on You Know You're Right and coming up with a brief jam. This was deeply unusual for Kurt, and Jack Endino noticed this when they demoed songs for In Utero in late 92, see https://www.livenirvana.com/sessions/studio/october-1992.php.

>>129398240
Interviews with Robert Cross for Heavier Than Heaven.

>>129398263
The Unpligged special alone was a platinum record before Kurt's death. Nevermind by then sold ten-million worldwide. If Kurt had put out a Leadbelly cover album, it would have gone platinum just as fast.

If you put out platinum records, recording whatever you wanted, that year, you're not remotely unproductive no matter how lazy your disposition.

>>129398318
Unplugged was released *after* Kurt's death, and benefited from MTV repeatedly airing the episode after he died. Now, I don't doubt a Leadbelly cover album would've sold well on account of Kurt's named being attached, but this wasn't a fresh idea, this was an idea dating all the way back to 89, and, this is crucial, *NONE OF IT WAS IN DEVELOPMENT*. This was just something Kurt said he'd been thinking about doing, it wasn't an active project, just as the Stipe collab wasn't an active project.

>If you put out platinum records, recording whatever you wanted, that year, you're not remotely unproductive no matter how lazy your disposition
This is equivocating; this conversation was about the claim that,
>he could thereafter devote the rest of his life to making the least commercial music of all time
He was barely making (i.e., composing) any music at all in 93-94, which is the only sense of "productive" relevant. If he had committed himself to sobering up, things may have changed, but the case is as it stands, that by his death, he'd een unproductive. Two ideas merely floated around are not thereby projects "in development", and, again, an idea for an album of covers doesn't change that he wasn't coming up with new ideas otherwise.

>>129398484
Do Re Mi was "working" with Michael Stipe.
But it was more "write something like the Beatles."

Is this legitimate or just speculation?

>>129398532
Is what?

>>129398559
Are they opening the case again over new evidence or is the article just hypothesizing?

>>129398522
I don't think we can say confidently that it was meant for the Stipe project, but it's one of the only more or less finished songs of 94 he wrote.

>>129398600
Reading the Daily Mail summary, I think the only fresh contention is that necrosis of the brain and liver is a sign of OD, but everything else is oldhat.

>>129396207
instead of taking a step back, drive a few miles and look again

>>129398600
Sounds like the SPD are being stubborn.
Thats what the media scrutiny is for.

>>129398641
They also reveal that there wasn't any significant blood splatter.
Only some blood stains on the lower side of the shirt.
And contrary to what had been said online, the bullet did not exit the brain. Though I remember Courtney saying that she collected a piece of skull bone with some hair attached to it

So idk these accounts don't all match.
I suppose he leaned forward to shoot himself which spilled some blood on the shirt, then he fell back and took a while to die

Maybe his brain shot failed (it happened before to some who even survived such) then he just fell back and died later from the OD

Shills in full force, huh? Suddenly Nirvana and Cobain experts come out of nowhere when this is gaining traction hmmm….

>>129398760
Actually interesting hypothesis, although does that explain the amount of damage seen in the remaining brain and liver? Would he have been there long enough having died of an overdose to match the level of deterioration they're talking about

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>>129388239
>ctrl + f "el duce"
>0 results
Does /mu/ know anything?

The only thing making me consider the idea that he didn't kill himself was the fact he used a 20-gauge instead of a 12-gauge. I'm not suicidal but to me a 20-bauge is a pretty sketchy way to off yourself, it would be like using a .22LR to try and kill yourself, you risk the possibility that you don't die and instead suffer a fate worse than death and have to live the rest of your life horribly disfigured with brain damage instead. 12-gauge would be more likely to result in a clean kill, which is why it's the preferred caliber for most suicides. Murder is different, because if the 1st shell of 20 gauge doesn't kill your target you could always hit them with a second one.

>>129396246
if that was the case, then he definitely would have gotten murdered.

>>129398043
He also lamented before in interviews that he wished the other guys helped him contribute more ideas. Maybe he wouldnt have minded using Dave's songs here and there

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>>129398122
>she wasn't going to announce to the press that she'd threatened to divorce him
Yeah i dont know if she ever did but one thing I did notice is at Kurt's eulogy where she spoke on a prerecorded tape message was it seems she really regretted the tough love angle in the situation

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>>129399260
Yeah, that's what these new investigators argued, that most likely the heroin killed him first.

Though what they're trying to imply is that someone (somehow) forced Cobain to take a 10x heroin shot from which he OD'd. Then some one or others shot him (for what purpose? if he was dead) and wrote the last part of the 'suicide note' to make it look like suicide.

Idk there are lots of things that don't make sense in their theory.
If they made him OD, why shoot him? And what was the suicide note even written for, if he had no intention to off himself? And why would they feel obliged to modify it? How would that make any difference? Everyone would see he died from OD. No need to explain anything else.

On the contrary, the suicide note suggests they wanted to make it explicit that he killed himself, to avoid any ambiguities. But then what was the huge heroin shot for? Wouldn't it have been enough to just shoot him and make it look like he did it? Their 'alternative' account just doesn't add up

Still, it was useful because they revealed some new details, like:
- the bullet did not exit the brain
- there was no blood splatter
- only the lower side of the shirt had blood stains

Which suggests Cobain leaned forward to shoot himself after shooting heroin, this spilled some blood on the shirt, but the recoil from the gunshot pushed him on his back, where he lay there bleeding and died of OD after some time. It's strange but it seems it took a while until he died and it wasn't from the gunshot. So his plan of having a backup worked

>>129399404
He probably didn't want to destroy his precious face

>>129388239
I'm more open to conspiracy theories after all this Epstein stuff, but this one will probably never make sense to me.
Kurt was obviously depressed based on journal entries, interviews, and lyrics. Suicidal ideations were all over his personal journals, he had a history of suicide in his family, and if you follow the long documented self-destructive behavior in the last two years of his life, suicide makes a lot more sense than an elaborate murder scheme.
Top that with the fact that he was extremely bad off on heroin, and if you've ever seen someone spiral down that path, they shut everything and everyone else out and their life becomes nothing but junk until death.
And then there's the first suicide attempt (or first "murder attempt" according to retards) in Rome. So Courtney makes Kurt OD, and instead of watching him die and getting away with it scot-free, she decides to call 911 to resuscitate him, stage an intervention, check him into rehab, and then file a missing persons report when he escapes? Seems like a lot of unnecessary steps for a murder plot, even for a retard like Courtney.

>>129388441
this. when he realized what he had done, he then knew what it was that he must do.

>>129399663
Who speaks on a prerecorded tape message at their husband's "suicide"?

That's more suspicious than if she didn't speak at all!

>>129398768
God gives his most annoying posts to the most gifted no life faggots. Courtney literally tried to Cobain her first son in law to get the unplugged guitar back.

>>129400122
Probably because they realized the whole OD in Rome would've implicated them a hell of a whole lot easier.

>>129400041
Cry about it.

>>129400286
>known junkie ODs in a hotel, found dead by his wife
How so?

>>129400324
You know the whole "junkie" business is a psyop, right?
For your exact reasoning.

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ok now talk about Kristen Pfaff who was in a relationship with kurt cobain dying 2 months later under suspicious circumstances

>>129388413
4 people being murdered isnt a stretch to believe

>>129399404
Didn't he got it off a friend of his? Cobain was weird when it came to things. He drove some old Dodge Dart and his iconic green sweater was cheap and had cigarette holes in it. He was a millionaire but he just didn't care.

>>129400408
>Didn't he got it off a friend of his?
Not just a friend of his, but Dylan Carlson from the band Earth

>>129400032
Their theory also doesn't explain why Kurt would acquire a gun and buy shotgun shells that would then be used just days later to murder him. It implies this weird scenario where Kurt got those things for legitimate non-suicidal reasons, and somehow the perpetrator(s) found out about them and used them against him immediately.

>>129400564
It's very reasonable. Kurt hated cops and thought someone was trying to kill him. He bought the gun so he could protect himself without going to the cops.

>>129388239
I'm going to sound like a black conspiracy theorist. But this whole grunge push seems to be more than a commercial ploy, and I feel it's more insidious. Maybe racist intent. Despite racism, the average American has always enjoyed ethnic music that started topping the charts from the moment it was released to the general public. And there was hip hop in the 90s. Has anyone noticed how most nostalgic 90s movies don't feature the colorful clothes, crazy haircuts, and blaring boomboxes that were common at the time?

Michelle Wilkins interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg3BKxOh3Go

>>129398760
I assumed most of the blood in shotgun suicides is due to exit wounds?

>>129400032
Why didn't the medical examiner pick up on the necrosis of the brain and liver back in 1994 though?

>>129400032
>If they made him OD, why shoot him? And what was the suicide note even written for, if he had no intention to off himself? And why would they feel obliged to modify it? How would that make any difference? Everyone would see he died from OD. No need to explain anything else.
Better question: how would Kurt's alleged killers have gotten hold of the suicide note to begin with? Like, did Kurt happen to have a "music industry resignation letter" in his pocket or lying around his house or something that the killers just happened to find and modify? And the notion that the bottom of the note was written by Courtney imitating Kurt's handwriting -- how would she have gotten the original note to begin with?

So many things in the "murder theory" make zero sense when you try putting it together.

>>129400764
He spent his last days wandering around Seattle alone. That doesn't sound like the behavior of someone genuinely in fear of being killed. And why get a shotgun instead of a pistol or something more discreet that he could carry on him?

>>129401037
Blood must have come out of his front face wound and spilt on the shirt for a split of a second. Then the recoil pushed him on his back and the heroin must have made him faint due to loss of oxygen. Then the brain died.

They did pick those things up. These new 'findings' are based on these 'new investigators' most likely making a legal request to see the coroner's report.
The details were obviously taken from the report made on the dead body, before it got cremated.
Do you think they'd be able to conduct a second examination from his ashes scattered in different areas?

>>129401142
So you're not convinced of the new evidence?

>>129400371
https://youtu.be/Tz8HgrDJNsk?si=9UfiWDtOi6tqzHyi

Discussed here

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>>129401176
The "new evidence" is interesting for not having been made public until now.
It really puts things into a new light.
But it doesn't prove what they say, on the contrary, their claims are very inconsistent with what they present as new facts.

Now I'm more convinced he died from the heroin shot, not the gun shot. And the old myth that his head was blown off is now disproven. What they disclosed from the file is that there was barely any blood around. Cobain used small gauge shells possibly to not completely disfigure his face, either because he cared about posterity or to not shock his family.

And now the 10x heroin dose makes a lot of sense, it turns out that was his main plan. The gunshot was the backup plan, he'd make his brain bleed while being "lights off" due to the heroin effect. That would ensure that nobody would find him and resuscitate him from the OD, like it happened before

>>129399296
https://youtu.be/Tz8HgrDJNsk?si=9UfiWDtOi6tqzHyi

Discussed here

ITS OUT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhsOfeSC2Us

>>129401516
Ha, OF COURSE he's cashing in LOL but in the least potentially offensive way possible

250 posts and no one got it correct
Cobain was killed by some fucking tool nicknamed Wrench. Look it up

>>129401808
>>129399641
Try reading the thread before commenting, tuff guy. Also, it’s pretty clear Allen is taking the piss. But he’s still pointing the finery at Courtney :)

Why justice for Kurt matters: copycat suicides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5NqDy1KWK4

>>129401217
So what you're saying is, Cobain did kill himself, but the heroin killed him while the gunshot failed?

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>>129402112
That's what the new disclosed facts from the autopsy suggest.
The liver and brain had signs of oxygen deprivation, which is more consistent with a heroin overdose.
It wouldn't look like that if he died by gunshot before the heroin would have such effect.

This is surprising and even more so that few are noticing that these new facts completely flip the story on how it happened.

And yeah it seems his gunshot failed to kill him, but that's why he took a megadose of heroin. I suppose the gunshot was to make sure he would bleed while knocked out by heroin so that nobody could come and bring him back to life, like it happened several times in the past when he OD'd.

It was a clever method and who would have expected the gun to be just a backup plan ?

>>129402222
Dude, the killer shot him then shot his face off while he was overdosing. All you’re doing here is confirming Kurt could never have shot himself while being that high. And for some reason you’re writing out lengthy diatribes repeating the same shit over and over. Are YOU high? Is that you, Dylan??

>>129402263
He was experienced with shooting heroin and he quickly took the gun and pullled the trigger after injecting

You don't OD instantly, it takes a while.

>>129402263
While the high is almost instant, you don't get drowsy right away from heroin. I think he had at least half a minute to shoot his brain before he'd get too lethargic to be able to

>>129402379
But why would he, or anyone, do this? What'd be the point of wasting a perfectly good high before even having the chance to enjoy his lethal dose of heroin?

"To make sure"? That's why he took a lethal dose of heroin!

>>129402781
Well, would, if he *had* taken a lethal dose. More likely, it was either a non-lethal dose made attempted lethal or he was forced to take the dose by his killer.

>>129401808
Naw, dude.
Thats just the guy who cleaned up the scene.

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Kurt would NEVER

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>>129402781
Use very basic skills of deductuon here:
A gunshot to the head is going to hurt really bad, even if you only experience it for a split second. Or if you fuck up and don't die, or die right away, the overdose would still finish you off.
Heroin is a strong painkiller.
He wanted out, and made sure it happened.

>>129403506
How much did Courtney pay you to post this bullshit? How many more times can you reiterate the same point??

>>129403530
He's never coming back, I'm sorry.

>>129403598
Jokes on you.

They never dusted for prints on Calis cigar box.
Or the smokes left at the scene.
Or the light switch.
Etc etc
Pope couldn't be fucked.
One less junkie off the street as they said.

>>129388253
>suicidal people are impervious to murder
NEAT! I didn't know that

>>129403805
Who's suicidal, anon?
>drugged
>photographers made shoots to have idiots point and look at it and be like "see, man"

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>>129403785
Are you the lady from who killed Kurt? I never hear anyone else bring up The Cali Connection

>>129388239
>new
They've been speculating about this forever. And yeah, Courtney had him killed. And after he was dead the funeral home abused his corpse. Literally danced with it to Alive by Pearl Jam. It's dark when you look down that road

>>129404062
Naw dude, I'm Kurt.
Like I said.

>>129388289
It was first the (((music industry))) who wanted him dead (the same lovely guys who framed and killed MJ), then Dave Grohl wanted him dead because Kurt was "holding him back" from personal success, and finally Courtney Love sort of wanted him dead for insurance money, but Dave and Satanists finally conviced her to blow his brains and forge his suicide note (and even helped to put away his drug needles. how thoughtful).

lmao, all the jews are so pissed that the truth is out now

sure, he was murdered
he was a fag tho, so its not that important

>>129405156
You guys ever going to say why or is it the whole "If I was in that situation, I wouldn't bitch as much" type of nonsense?

>>129405211
Why what?
Why he was a fag? He loved dressing as a woman

>>129405227
You mean enjoyed pissing off retards, such as yourself.
A punk thing to do.
Other ways to piss you guys off, though.

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>>129390747
>Niggas trying to fight other niggas that dont exist anymore
Why are Leftoids like this.
You can be a regular American minding your business and those niggas are hallucinating you are the KKK or some shit.

Anyway its good he is dead. He was mentally ill.

>>129388253
>In studying the Rome incident, journalists Ian Halperin and Max Wallace contacted Dr. Osvaldo Galletta, who treated Cobain after the incident. Galletta contested the claim that the Rome overdose was a suicide attempt. "We can usually tell a suicide attempt. This didn't look like one to me," said Galletta, who also contradicted Love's claim that 50 Rohypnol pills were removed from Cobain's stomach.[41]

>>129405260
That's a stretch and a hallucination if I've ever heard one.

>>129405338
Look at the drawing im responding to. Imagine a druggie drawing that shit as an adult because you are so mad at people that vote republican.
Im straight up right. Some leftists are just irreparably mentally ill and hallucinate other realities where they see just a bunch of chirstcucks that vote for Bush or whatever as the KKK.

>>129405400
Maybe it's the literal KKK.

>>129405400
Now you guys are the special snowflakes!
Hilarious!

>>129402263
>Dude, the killer shot him then shot his face off while he was overdosing
His face wasn't blown off, that's attested by both the autopsy report and the people (like Krist) who got to see him at his viewing before he was cremated. His face according to the report was streaked with blood, but there's not further detail, so it could be bleeding from his nose. He was apparently recognizeable but definitely fucked up from a shot through his head.

>>129403598
Of course not, cuz Courtney killed him and made it look like suicide so she could make hundreds of millions of dollars for herself off another man's efforts while doing absolutely no work of her own.

>>129405242
>Other ways to piss you guys off, though.
Most of it involves nepotism, I'm assuming

>>129404325
No. Courtney was the first and only remotely serious suspect. Nobody who's not a troll or on antipsychotics ever suspected anyone else.* This is one of many reasons why the conspiracy is so credible.

*Well, other than her accomplices. Crimebosses tend to prefer those to make it less obvious it was them.

>>129405267
Galleta asserted the exact opposite in Newsday in 1994. But keep hanging on to whatever bullshit Halperin or Grant invent.

>>129405540
No he didn't. Galleta asserted that Kurt was fine, and that the cause was mixing a prescribed drug with alcohol:

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1994/03/06/Nirvana-vocalist-out-of-dangerPARA/6036762930000/

>>129390701
Definitely a very blue collar take. Tried to get people to see how he wanted to escape right wing oppression and ignorance, even though being progressive was tripe and not a real answer.

>>129405537
>This is why your satirical post is wrong because I said so chud

>>129405515
Speaking of nepotism.
When Courtney says "the CIA" she means those with CIA ties.
Aka CIA nepobabies
Aka Carlson, Lanegan, deWitt

>>129405267
He probably got paid

>>129405871
Doesn't mean she wasn't there during, though.

>>129399296
Just made the plan, and not the one that was said on video.
Still offered money, still given money for plan.

>>129405109
Should get 404'd anytime now.

>>129399296
Yeah, we know this thread is very annoying

>bunched up layers of pants to attempt to stem bleeding from stab wound

>shoes tied from the side

>blood on the pants, no blood on shoes
>means 2 people at the least staged the clothing on the body
>which means...?

>>129405642
You're citing a report from March when everyone was covering for Kurt. From April 10th:

>"After he woke up, he told me it was an accident," the doctor said. "He said he had been confused. He had taken pharmaceuticals and alcohol together. He said it was just a mistake."
>The doctor had his doubts. Cobain, he could tell, was a veteran needle-drug user. He could see that from the veins. And longtime drug users, the doctor knew, are rarely ignorant about the facts of pharmacology. "I made sure he had a room with no windows," the doctor said. (...) "He was very tender with his little girl, who is about 2 years old, I suppose," the doctor said. "He told me he was feeling much better. He said he was happy to be going home. I suggested he take a period of extended rest. I told him, `Nobody ever died from too much rest.' " (...)
>"[The death] does confirm my suspicions," the doctor said from Rome. "I don't know what you can do in cases like this." (...)
>"What a terrible message to leave for the people who loved him, the young people who loved his music," Dr. Galletta said, after hearing the news of Cobain's final hopeless step. "I hate to think he was moving in that direction all along." - DOCTOR SAW COBAIN'S SUICIDE COMING (Newsday, April 10, 1994, Ellis Henican)

>>129406218
Idk man, being threatened they're going to kill your kid and then being forced to drink the cocktail isn't exactly suicidal.

>>129388298
songs name is "I have myself and want do die"
also, he was based
https://youtu.be/iVEKC6coHns?si=FNtHyPoBDOG9glO6

>>129406380
*"I hate myself and want do die"
sorry Im retarded

>>129406417
He was being ironic. When people would ask him how he fel,pt, instead of simply saying “I’m fine,” he’d say, “ I hate myself and I want to die. Kurts sense of humor has been overshadowed by his death. Everything he said and did is colored by his death.

>>129388413
Correct. A very specific group of people.

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>>129406546
What did Kurt mean by this?

>>129406582
wow, what the fuck

>>129406508
I agree, whatever happened to him I miss the nigga

Only solid take on conspiracy shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcszMLayAw

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>>129405267
>"We can usually tell a suicide attempt. This didn't look like one to me," said Galletta
guess it took cobain shoving a shotgun in his mouth to show he was serious

but really think about how stupid this murder theory is.
>cobain is a lifelong drug addict
>so strung out on drugs that hes in constant pain and visibly withering away
>multiple ODs
>friends and family save him each time
>instead of letting him OD they take a long barreled shotgun and shoot him in the head then randomly scatter some shells around

>>129407365
Do you see how much of a stretch you have to make?
That sounds ridiculous.

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Got away with it award

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>>129388239
also

>The peer-reviewed paper presented ten points of evidence suggesting Cobain was confronted by one or more assailants who forced a heroin overdose to incapacitate him, before one of them shot him in the head, placed the gun in his arms and left behind a forged suicide note.

if they forced a heroin overdose on him why go through the trouble to shoot him?

>>129407404
It was Allen Wrench!!!

>>129388239
The last part of the suicide note looked completely different than the first part. The first part doesn't even read like a suicide note. Sounds like he was just quitting music or taking a break from it. Plus, Courtney had a handwriting practice sheet in her bag. It doesn't get more damning than that

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>>129407398
>given a fatal overdose by two people
>unconscious and will be dead in a few short minutes
>before they leave decide to...
>PROP HIM UP IN A CHAIR AND PUT A SHOTGUN UP TO HIS HEAD AND PULL THE TRIGGER

>>129402222
I don't think the necrosis requires the situation to have played out quite as you depict (though it's possible). What's really interesting about the brain and liver necrosis is that he might've been a ticking time bomb anyway, just speakimg physically. Without getting into whether his death was suicide or homicide, the organ damage really makes both plausible: you can be alive and have necrosis of both of those organs, but you'll be susceptible to cirrhosis and hallucinations, so he could well have been in a frame of mind either to think irrationally and do something to himself or to be taken advantage of. He survived several ODs, which can cause necrosis of the brain, and the champagne and rohypnol could've given him necrosis of the liver, since they're both substances metabolized by the liver in competition for metabolization. Necrosis doesn't have to show up only in a fatal OD, and he was apparently abusing a variety of drugs.

That's interesting. Even if he hadn't died by gunshot, he would've succumbed at some point not long after. Wild.

>>129399404
no guns pleb. 20 gauge is more than enough to paint the wall with your brains. 22 is more than enough to off urself.
>>129407365
>if ur suicidal, u cant be murdered

>>129408805

Even a 9 millimeter is enough to instantly end things if you aim directly to the back of the head through your mouth. That's why boxers are told to never hit anyone on the back of the head.

>>129408857
>That's why boxers are told to never hit anyone on the back of the head.
I saw part of a documentary that focused on the aftermath of that. A Black British boxer hit a Black American boxer on the back of his head, His brain started bleeding and he went blind, partially deaf and paralyzed (wheelchair bound). The human body is very frail.

>>129408660
What chair?

>>129408805
>if ur suicidal, u cant be murdered
point is if people were trying to kill him ie courtney then why try to save him? they all tried to help him with interventions & rehab etc

>>129409051
Interventions and rehab were meant to destroy the image.

>>129409094
Those things were not publicly known back then

Basically they tried to force into a conservatorship, just like Britney.

>>129409111
Oh, I knew what they were trying to do to me.

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>>129409118