Someone unironically asks you to name a single writer/vocalist that’s objectively superior to Morrissey, and you understand that if you’re even a little wrong, you’re forever considered a complete piece of shit retard to everyone in the world and you have to agree to pee in your own mouth and eat literal dog shit for breakfast, every day, for the rest of your life.
What songs has he written?
>>129391564Lyricist, boyo.
>>129391353Stevie Wonder
>>129391598I never really listened to Stevie Wonder. If he is technically superior, it doesn’t read for me. He sounds flat and overproduced to my ears. I feel nothing. He also writes like a poptard, not a poet I’m going to have to reject this submissio.
>>129391353'fraid so. Undisputed greatest to ever do it.
>>129391661listen to As
Here's two
>>129391747I love Stipe but they're comparable at all. Thom Yorke 100% doesn't belong here though.
>gay>vegan>conservativeHow does he do it?
>>129391826Moz has always been a Chad who encouraged people to think for themselves
>>129391353Too ez
Cedric Bixler-Zavala
>>129391700This is a decent song. I can’t deny that it’s much better than several other songs of his I listened to. His voice is dynamic and bright, but thin. His song writing feels juvenile for the most part, but that’s probably because he’s too married to the idea of being a pop singer. His voice is suited for what he’s singing. I’d say he’s better than Michael Jackson and Prince, but I’m not feeling the weight and breadth that Morrissey possesses. >>129391747Stipe being a baritone can kind of occupy a similar space to Morrissey, but he’s more nasally than chesty. His Georgia roots work against some of his more clever lyrics. There’s a twang of southern retardation, and for the most part, it feels like he’s writing and singing for validation, and more often than not, he sounds bored. Morrissey he is not.Thom Yorke’s voice is beautiul and transcendent within his genre, and he writes like an alien poet. However, it feels constrained to its time and neutered. >>129391874Very alive, slightly homo-erotic, playful and hyper. Unarguably commanding, but I’d put him in the realm of Gerard Way and Bert McCracken, but with better writing ability and more art cred. Not Morrissey-tier.
>>129391967You're pretty off about Stipe. His style is more about dreams, stream of conscious and being vague but thought-provoking while Moz's style is more painfully labored over while being equally personal yet relatable to everyone. I love them both, don't get me wrong, but Stipe's southern raising made it unique and brought something to the forefront most people wouldn't have been exposed to
>>129391967How about Leonard Cohen?
>>129392022Cohen annihilates Bob Dylan, and his voice actually improved with age. I couldn’t in good faith say that Cohen is worse than Morrissey, but if you asked me who I’d rather listen to at any given moment, it’d be Morrissey. I’d say Cohen deserves a space next to Moz, but not above him.
>>129392088Yeah this thread and your replies are making me realize Moz is top tier. This is a certainly a tough one... hes just so accessible and SO quotable, and has a very unique voice
>>129392132Yes, it’s nothing short of a miracle to find all of those qualities in one person/voice.
>>129391353Paul McCartney
Taylor Swift. Her recent song Wood is an ode to her boyfriend's penis. Powerful feminist statement.
>>129391353Everyone is better than Moronsey, even your grandma.
>>129392156The funny thing about Paul is how much he stretches himself across different styles, and the end product feels like a guy riding legacy fumes. Big budget productions don’t save him from sounding like a Hallmark card. Billy Joel is better, and they’re both dwarfed by Morrissey’s authenticity and natural charm.
>>129392166Does she make dicksucking noises on the track?
Nick Drake, not to mention he could actually play an instrument and compose music. If Moz didn't have his boyfriend to do the heavy lifting for him, he'd be a nobody
>>129392156This. Or Dylan. But Moz is a pretty special writer and singer.
>>129392285Nick Drake is legit. I don’t have any harsh criticisms, but this is about superiority. He’s a fine songwriter. His understated airy delivery is pleasing and iconic, but it doesn’t survive the big dick swagger of Morrissey. I’m sorry, anon.
Scott Walker is the best lyricist, listen to tilt and the drift.Morrissey can't do surrealism and Morrissey can't do footnotes for the meaning behind every word or phrase choice.Morrissey is a very crowd pleasing songwriter, like the Spielberg of singer/songwriters.Walker is like the David Lynch of singer/songwriters.
You think Morrissey is better than Bach, Beethoven, and Wagner?
>>129392515>writer>vocalistthis is what happens when you replace actual thought with listening to smart pypo music, retard.
>>129392432Compelling choice, anon. He reminds me of Kristoffer Rygg of Ulver. I’ve never heard this guy before. It’s really good. This is like Nega-Morrissey. I’m going to listen to his whole discography, but for now, I’ll say this guy is in Morrissey’s orbit.
>>129392564Writer = composer though? Or are you referring to his lyrics? Morrissey is completely pedestrian as a vocalist. I don't even think his fans would think he's anything special. Most metal singers and any classical singer would be better.
>>129392573well which one do you think is more likely, morrissey being recognized for his compositions or for his lyrics?
>>129392581His lyrics are kinda dumb desu
>>129392573Morrissey isn’t about being a trained vocalist. He oozes sensitivity, charisma, sensuality, and intelligence, with a hint of punk. It’s the same reason bodybuilders drop fewer panties than some sexy twink that rolls out of bed with messy hair and makes women scream. We call that ‘x factor’.
>>129392612The "x factor" in question
>>129392586but i'm not even a fan and I like them sometimes :(
>>129392623I didn't say I dislike his lyrics now, did I?
>>129392622that's not morrissey what are you talking about schizoyou don't believe in charisma?you can't start looking for it if you don't even believe it exists. it's pretty self-fulfilling
>>129392634Here's your personality and charisma that drops women's panties bro
>>129392630you like dumb things? i think being able to capture simple realities elegantly isn't dumb
>>129392648>still not morrisseywell, life must be hard for you. before having charisma you can first try following a conversation
>>129392655Your analogy was saying that twinks get more women than bodybuilders. That's because of face. Any "twink" without a good face won't get women turned on. Face is life.
>>129392659i'm not the anon you're replying to.that's not a very good analogy when talking about morrissey tbdesu.consider Steven Tyler.
>>129392659He didn’t say that. I did. But his point stands. They aren’t Morrissey. My analogy wasn’t as complete as it could’ve been. The idea is that x factor can exist in an unassuming package. You don’t have to be a super model. Morrissey wasn’t exceptionally beautiful. He was a bookish looking handsome guy, sure, but what made him exceptional… well, just listen to the man and witness him on stage.
>>129392386>big dick swaggerI love Moz but I'd really rather not think about anybody's >faeces coated dickThanks.
>>129391353what about bruce springsteen and/or roger waters?both are famed for their lyrics, or is the singing part important too?
>>129392285Moz won. Also better than Nick Drake>>129392432No. Fuck no kek.>>129392515Yes>>129393274Moz mogs both. Lot of nothing arguments in this thread
>>129391353Ignoring the 60s legends, Elvis Costello is a better lyricist, Nick Cave wasn’t as good during Morrissey’s peak, but has now surpassed him. Andy Partridge is definitely comparable
>>129394381>Elvis Costello>Nick Cave>Alan PartridgeGet this fucking dork out of here
>>129394409It’s true. Compare Tramp the Dirt Down to Margaret on the guillotine and Song from the Lake to Notre Dame
>>129394472Maybe on planet retard. None of them hold a candle to Moz.
>>129394493Did you compare the songs’ lyricism?
>>129394596Moz clears.
>>129394224you just like sad boi lyrics, bro.and moz definitely deserves credit for reintroducing those to pop music after they were shunted aside for a while.but moz isn't especially good at poetic meter I don't think, or recognizable imagery.lots of times I have no clue what moz is even talking about.chuck berry is still the god of poetic meter and recognizable imagery. literally every line flows off the tongue and you know exactly what he's talking about. Springsteen was also good at those.
>>129394931>lots of times I have no clue what moz is even talking aboutYour rambling reply shows why you're not fit to judge or chime in on this so sit down. And that said boi shit isn't a criticism. If you knew anything about Moz's work you would know he has a great many songs about a great many things. Character studies. Social commentary. Genuinely funny bits. But go ahead and tell me how Chuck Berry's one note bullshit is better and Springsteen larping like he's some street tough poet is superior.
>>129392612>The "x factor" in question>>129392634>Here's your personality and charisma that drops women's panties bro
>>129395041I literally gave the criteria, which are at least somewhat objective unlike yours: poetic meter and recognizable imagery.CB was a literal savant for doing the stressed/ unstressed syllable junk of poetic meter that makes stuff flow off the tongue. same to a lesser extent for BS. Moz was good for that, but still mogged in that department.same for recognizable imagery."As I was motivatin' over the hillI saw Maybellene in a Coupé de VilleA Cadillac a-rollin on the open roadNothin' will outrun my V-8 Ford "the meter in that is remarkable, same with the funny slang use of motivatin, and the recognizable imagery."I was eight years old and running with a dime in my handInto the bus stop to pick up a paper for my old manI'd sit on his lap in that big old Buick and steer as we drove through townHe'd tousle my hair and say "Son, take a good look around"[Refrain]"This is your hometownsame with the meter here, and the recognizable and actually heart-tugging imagery.
>>129395844This nigga thinks Chuck Berry is a better lyricist than Moz. This place is doomed.
>>129395212 that guy looks like he has ton of charisma i bet he gets lot of sex because of his wonderful personality
>>129395875He's at least capable of articulating why he thinks something instead of restating an unsupported thesis again and again like you. You offer no evidence for your claims, you just repeat your opinions more forcefully each time. Quintessential midwit
Truly the last of the famous international playboys.
Makeup is a Lie followed by 'we know who really did the Notre Dame fire.' Is there a more based musician rn?
>>129399092No. He’s right. Makeup IS a lie, and he did the right thing by calling out foids and muslims.
Robert Smith.
>>129399178He’s good, but he bottoms for Moz. Robert is a party goth. He’s a good-time-Sally and his voice doesn’t carry the same weight. I love The Cure, but Moz is the pope of mope, as some journo once called him.
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>>129391585I'm a straight man, so I don't actually give a fuck about lyrics.
>>129402700What a bastard bloody benchod bitch thing to say.
>>129392285>to do the heavy lifting Writing good melodies aren't that easy as you think. Marr had a good guitar playing, but it itself is not enough to make music, at least in pop terms.
>>129403627>Writing good melodies aren't that easy as you think. Marr had a good guitar playingGood morning saar
>>129396665Listen to Late Night Maudlin Street and let me know anyone who has been mentioned in this that is capable of telling a story as beautiful as it. I'll wait. But sure... The sex pest who sings about Rudolph is a lyrical genius
>>129403627Marrfags have no actual response for this. Marr is without a doubt a talented guitarist but it's not enough and everything great or memorable about The Smiths came from Moz. >>129399092He's too based for this world
>>129391353Good thing I said Scott Walker, so that the guy who asked me the question shook my hand, told me I chose the correct answer, and didn’t make me eat pee and poop.
>>129404143Imagine being the only person who didn’t have to eat their pee and poop.
Eminem
>>129392432The Scott Walker of Tilt and The Drift (and beyond) dealt in compositions, not songs, so reaching for him isn't quite right.
Morrisey is not better than Dylan wtf???>It's alright ma i'm only bleeding>Hard rains gonna fall>Mr Tambourine manThese are easily the three greatest lyrics in the history of popular music and maybe even music generally. I would definitely place Morrisey second but Dylan was an actual poet, whereas Morrisey was a pop writer who incorporated poetry
>>129391826Unfortunately, he is not a homosexual—he is indeed a *huma*-sexual.
>>129391353I've never listened to anything by him, where do I start?
>>129405918Disc one of The Sound of The Smiths.
>>129405918"This Charming Man"https://youtu.be/NAFu9NuJAuIThe best song Morrissey ever did.
>>129405831Dylan is indeed the better writer. Incredibly versatile, with an unmatched prosodic ear.But he never could approach the *intimacy* of Morrissey. Not even on Blood on the Tracks. It's a mode almost unique to Moz, and to Stuart Murdoch of Belle and Sebastian at his best. The only antecedent I can come up with is the Bowie of Five Years, Rock 'n' Roll Suicide, All the Young Dudes. A sort of localized ennui (which is why all non-British Morrissey fans are--to various degrees--Anglophiles, and why Bowie discarded it as soon as he could spot the contours of America through the mist); songs that project entire worlds, that are fertile ground for the spawning of cults. I don't think Americans can reach for a similar vernacular because of the country's vastness and diversity.
Roy Orbison
>>129405831>Jew who can't sing rambling about fucking nothingGet out of here with that shit
>>129407102Talking about yourself, Moshe?
>>129408648Talking about Bob Zimmerman.
>>129391353Roy Orbison or Steve Perry. You can maybe argue for lyrical writing but he’s nowhere close to them in singing ability
