Lotte Lehmann edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6nb8SUYGl4This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129386536
>>129394742>>129394767okay I went back to Giulini's again, last change I'll make I swear! just let me listen to the damn thing, brain, please!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAbb1QqaueU&list=OLAK5uy_n6mPAt5womtxFVujc3E7za5f98rz6XPOY&index=19
>>129394783You are mentally ill my friend.
now playingstart of Berg: Violin Concerto - 'To the Memory of an Angel'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqL-6uCl13s&list=OLAK5uy_nqtRyVoNBjPqXiaRFIbbXH-FnAQHC_d1I&index=2start of Beethoven: Violin Concerto in D Major Op. 61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHLzkzC0GJU&list=OLAK5uy_nqtRyVoNBjPqXiaRFIbbXH-FnAQHC_d1I&index=3https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqtRyVoNBjPqXiaRFIbbXH-FnAQHC_d1I>An account of the Berg that plumbs its depths of melancholy, setting off a radiant, life-affirming performance of the Beethoven... --Gramophone, Recording of the Month>These performances of two landmark violin concertos demonstrate a remarkable meeting of interpretative minds, a way of imagining and conveying the music that is absolutely hand in glove... Berg s concerto... is handled exquisitely... Abbado establishes an atmosphere that can embrace delicate wisps of texture, poetic reverie, heartfelt intensity and the anguish that builds to a climax in the second movement. Faust s timbre and spectrum of emotion are similarly judged and communicated with arresting maturity and sensibility. Likewise, she echoes the freshness and depth that Abbado stimulates in the orchestral playing of the Beethoven concerto, finding a mode of expression that is both lyrical and dynamic and contributing to a performance of real stature. --The Daily Telegraph, CD of the Week>Abbado and Faust give us light-fingered Beethoven: airy, colourful, muscular but never muscle-bound... The luminous sound of Abbado s orchestra, a continuing glory, infuses the concerto with a real sense of joy; I don t know of any other interpretation that wears such a smile so lightly. Faust is a wonder on this disc, but Abbado is even more so. --The TimesWith so many great recordings of Beethoven's Violin Concerto, it can be hard to decide which to listen to. Well, while I won't claim this is the best one, it's certainly one every classical fan ought to have in their library.
>>129394797it's not my fault we are spoiled in abundance of performances of Mozart's music, particularly his operas! what's your recommendation for his Figaro?? and don't worry, I'm sticking with Giulini this time, Karajan or Kleiber or whomever can wait until next time :)
Jute Gyte has passed away.
Hopefully we can have a good thread without the spam. Listening to Mahler 5 right now, its a bit too pompous for my liking but Ill give it a chance
>>129394942>Hopefully we can have a good thread without the spamNorsetard is still having a fit, so don't count on it.
>Sorry but I don't like newfag spammers who listened to metal for 16 years and then attached themselves to the biggest tourist magnet possible.>I don't like schizophrenics either, the dislike is mutual, perhaps try >>>/mu/ so we can both be at peace>Nice headcanon schizophrenic. Anything else you'd want to project?>Yet here is your reality posting on /metal/: [link to /metal/]>chopindian! chopincel!>fuck hector>Correct.>spam spam spam>Jute Gyte>HORIZONTAL>this is only good recording of the music: [hissssss]>excellent schizo-essays /metal/ charlatan>norsetard>Correct.ahhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh
>>129394942Once Winston latches onto a general, it's only useable during his 4 hours of sleep.
>>129394942>its a bit too pompous for my likingAnon, you've gotta get that kind of thinking out of your mind. When it comes to high art, the greats often recognized their own greatness, so of course they often expressed themselves in a self-conscious manner through their art. It's not a negative.
>>129394825So did you switch again?>>129394834https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2D7TzWBJls
>Pavarotti is widely considered the greatest singer to ever walk this earthWill anyone ever come as close again?
>>129394994>Pavarotti is widely considered the greatest singer to ever walk this earthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mORHeeXlwfI
>>129394994
>>129394987Well thats why I said ill give it a chance. I do like some pomp stuff like Holst so I might end up liking this. I just prefer less of the dramatic sounds so far
>>129394994https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N_F_R0ATHI
>>129394991Switch from what? I'm not the other poster...>inb4 mod abuse
>>129394994Lady Gaga mogs this fat Mexican
>>129395009>I do like some pomp stuff like Holst so I might end up liking this.>pomp stuffsighAlright, anon. Hope you enjoy it. And I hope you started with other symphonists first.
>>129395020You either switched (again), or just posted Berg before listening and lied when you said "now playing", pick one.
>>129394991>The first thing that strikes the listener about this vintage, composite recording is its fleetness and Busch’s lightness of touch. Only the crackly but clean sound, not the style, gives away its age – and it remains very listenable. The verve and drive of Busch’s conducting “a tempo” is infectious. The voices, too, are light and agile; we hear some pretty, supple singing from the ladies and the men are suave and elegant. Fast vibrato, purity of tone and singing trippingly, “off the words”, are qualities shared by all; the performance remains very fresh and appealing. Technically speaking, I should not include this in my survey, as all the recitativo secco is omitted and some arias, including Barbarina’s “L’ho perduta”, are cut but it is a recording milestone and will be a supplement to a complete recording which should be on the shelves on any devotee of this opera. ---- Ralph Moorehttps://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2018/Jul/Mozart-Figaro-survey.htmthat's an interesting one though!
>>129395040So far Beethoven, Holst, Stravinsky and Schubert are the only symphonists ive enjoyed.
>>129395057Cease with the colonoscopy and get your finger out of my ass.
>>129395006>Norsesperg posting another piece of youtube slop he regurgitates. Hate to see it. 16 years of metal listening leads to brain rot like this.
>>129395102Lol>>129395150Thank you deaf schizophrenic
>>129395162Just because I'm currently on my own opera binge, which works I post here, doesn't mean I don't also wish to keep posting high quality non-opera recordings for others not into opera to enjoy.
>you can't enjoy opera without knowing the plo--ACK!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAbb1QqaueU&list=OLAK5uy_n6mPAt5womtxFVujc3E7za5f98rz6XPOY&index=19>It was Brahms who said of Mozart's “Figaro” that “it is a miracle...something so perfect, nothing like it was ever done again, not even by Beethoven.”
>>129395019I always thought this was some Italian classic song from like the 1908, didn't know its literally from the mid 90s
Stop spamming about metal music you dumbasses
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cpZLIqZP-k
>>129395242This one is a 10/10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvY0rXDvjec&list=OLAK5uy_n6mPAt5womtxFVujc3E7za5f98rz6XPOY&index=24
>>129394969this general, like every other general, suffers from people who come here primarily for banter and memes. Discussion of the general's topic is secondary, so they just state their opinions as fact to make others angry and start a little banter war while they kick their feet.
>>129394969Correct.
https://archive.ph/VwVpU>The world is suffering from a shortage of tenors
>>129395488Too much testosterone these days, based. I remember a teacher tried to recruit me to the high school choir because my voice dropped before others, which I declined because I thought singing and the choir was for fags. Which I wasn't wrong about, but its a shame that the average musician is such a basedboy faggot and turned me off of it. Music is great it turns out.
>>129395531Literally mentally ill post
>>129395591If you really want more tenors you can always start castrating people.
I just don't get the appeal of Karajan. Some of his recordings are fine but others that he does just don't fit with his style at all.
>>129395643He prostituted himself for the dollar by recording everyone and everything.
>>129395616Classical music has gone to shit ever since castrati was banned. Literally a whole vocal range that is now moot
Sad facts:Most of the people posting here have never learned to play an instrumentMost of the people posting here cannot read musicMost of the people posting here cannot compose musicMost of the people posting here do not attend classical performances
>>129395661Tbqh castrated men live longer since testosterone causes loads of accumulative cell damage, so it wasn't all bad for them. Although we do need proper men, Pavarotti's golden voice is beloved here.
What classical did he listen to when he composed Hvis Lyset Tar Oss?
>>129395713Undoubtedly Wagner.
>>129395643I don't care about aesthetic fidelity to the composer's instructions and sound, because Karajan's changes sound so fuckin' good. But it's a case-by-case thing, I'm a huge Karajan fan, if you don't love his approach like I do, then it's understandable. He still did a wonderful job on the recordings where his style doesn't stray too far from the composer's sound, like Bruckner and Strauss and Grieg, and a lot of opera.
>>129395739>high-gloss toneWhat?
>>129395488Interesting article, thanks. That's a shame, and a serious problem.
>>129395643His tendency to fetishize a particular kind of "beautiful" sound, full, compact and dominated by main melodic voices, with soft attack and broad strokes, did not suit every composer. Homogeneity took precedence over the articulation of the particular and over contrasts. He had an emphasis on a metronomic beat, Karajan regarded notation as essentially complete in that regard. And his active involvement in the recording and mixing of his recordings, which exacerbates some of those tendencies further, produced some staggeringly unnatural-sounding records, particularly in the 70s.Now, while this approach can produce great results in some repertoire (mostly 20th century music, like Strauss, Debussy, Schoenberg, Honegger), Most feel that it runs contrary to the demands of much earlier music, especially the Austro-German classics: Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner.All in all, Karajan was an immensely skilled conductor and orchestral trainer (which is evidenced by how similar his output with different orchestras is, at least if they're temporally close), but he developed a trademark sound which - being his trademark - he applied to everything.He's certainly one of the great and most influential conductors of the 20th century, but his fame tends to overshadow some currents of interpretation I consider more interesting and appropriate.
>>129395754Yes? They're talking about that chromium sonority all of his recordings have, particularly the strings.
>>129395739>that reviewSome people are so dramatic, jesus
>>129395788>chromium sonorityPrefer a bit of magnesium sonority myself.
I've been on a concert with a male soprano (countertenor*), and you're telling me we're lacking tenors?
>>129395692This was debunked, we had a poll and at least 75% of us played an instrument
>>129395806>countertenorThey cheat with falsetto.
>>129395794Art is serious, anon. Unironically.
>>129395809>>129395692I play guitar am I still cool and welcomed
>>129395821Only if you have nails.
>>129395813That's not cheating, that's called singing with head voice. I suppose most of the countertenors are gay, since homosexuals have higher pitch.
>>129395778Beethoven and Bruckner would cream their pants at hearing Karajan's recordings of their music.
>>129395713You can find a lot of similar dissonance in Bachs fugue work. Dead Can Dance was probably his biggest influence if you count neoclassicalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yBFGAyWxMshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpSPlu-JzI
>>129395842>that's called singing with head voice.Yeah it sounds like shit.>I suppose most of the countertenors are gay,Probably true.
>>129395857Beethoven would cream his pants hearing anything
>>129395865>bach on guitartop kek
>>129395892Bach sounds good anyway its presented. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pJvV8Cmycs
>>129395881>Yeah it sounds like shit.It sounds natural, calm your ignorant ass down. High notes require head voice, educate yourself, retard.
>>129395899Bach himself would disagree
>>129395920Source: I can read dead people's minds.
>>129395906>It sounds naturalSaid no one ever. Falsetto sounds like complete emasculated high strung mickey mouse garbage.
>>129395920Is that why he transcribed his piece in million ways and transcribed works of other composers for different instruments, dear ignorant retard?Bach would punch your miserable face.
Okay, just finished listening to Mozart's Figaro (Giulini) from start-to-finish for the first time, and yeah, it's a genius piece of music. Don Giovanni and The Magic Flute next! Any recs for recordings would be appreciated. I'm guessing Klemperer for Magic Flute and maybe Karajan or Giulini for Don Giovanni? Or maybe Klemperer or Solti for both? I'll definitely go old school since I just went old school on the Figaro, and maybe next time around I'll go for a 21st century recording.
>>129395925Terribly moronic.
>>129395928Bach would want to kill himself if he saw his life's work played on a fucking guitar, or worse still, arranged for a shitty marvel opera. if you don't think it's a complete disgrace, please, kill yourself.
>>129395920What does that have to do with anything
>>129395857Bruckner maybe, but Beethoven most certainly not. He was extremely picky, and about matters of tempo alone we know his thoughts ran completely contrary to Karajan's interpretations. Beethoven was not a technical masturbator either, he did not care if a performer screwed up so long as the majority of it was put together and their interpretation matched the heart and energy of what he was attempting to do. You miss quite of a bit of Beethoven in Karajan's Beethoven recordings. Texture, tempo, articulation, and balance do not always match up with his vision. Sometimes it did. But, say, Karajan's 7th was always completely at odds with the aesthetic goals of that piece, it's too heavy on the strings, when the work calls for quite a bit of wind and horn detail that goes for a lot less in Karajan's recordings as opposed to others. Not to mention you don't even get to hear Beethoven's juicy antiphonal details in the strings since Karajan adopted the 20th century orchestral layout which bundled the first and second violins together.Bruckner never met a performer he didn't like so I have no doubt he would cream his pants. Dude was just incredibly happy and grateful to have anyone perform his works.
Watching figure skating to see what classical picks they use. Debussy was just up
>>129395950I didn't listen to some tasteless garbage, but there are genuinely good Bach on guitar recordings:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_JcSqkRx5I&list=OLAK5uy_kT2NxNaD36e9jZQrfAIPAitnRFhYV2_ng&index=1Now please, kill yourself and spare us of your ignorance.Same goes to the other tourist popfag.
>>129395421I don't mind people trying to be funny and have a good time but the current spammer actively tries to make this a worse place, and I'm not convinced they even actually like classical, which might be the cause of the aforementioned issue.
>>129395935Definitely Guilini for Don Givanni, the Karajan recording is kind of weird.
>>129395976That's dope, I should check out the tracklistings later. Which Debussy piece?>>129395992Thanks, will do.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovWBEi2AHXs&list=OLAK5uy_n6mPAt5womtxFVujc3E7za5f98rz6XPOY&index=40ahh how did Mozart do it!?
Hmmm, should I listen to Dichterliebe, nocturnes op.55, partitas&sonatas on guitar or some Puccini...
>>129396020>on guitartopkekkleListen to the new Capucon set of Bach's S&Ps on violin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adw-djqKCZs&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=13
>>129395937>t. HEE HEE
>>129396043I refuse. That wasn't on my list. I'll continue listening to: >>129395989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHSPT6LRDx4
>>129395989Chill out Bin, your playing is fine it just sounds like total shit to anyone with some standards
>>129396049:OFine, if you're gonna hold me at gunpoint like that, you win. Chopin's Nocturnes then,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCadSSm7fRw&list=OLAK5uy_k5YYS7DsrOXdvWQlsbYO9pQ_9INk5XAuY&index=15
12 tone technique
Bach can be transcribed to any instrument because he wrote good music. He's the ultimate piano-test winner.
>>129396053>There is no dearth of discs of arrangements of Bach for guitar (Barrios, Segovia, and Tárrega most famously)–nor recordings thereof. Even the Sonatas and Partitas have been covered–by Eliot Fisk, Francesco Teopini, Mats Bergström, and others. But it is rare that a Bach guitar recital of such immediately arresting quality comes along, as this one from Bin Hu on the slightly obscure, Spanish Eudora label.>Bin Hu opens with the Bach-on-guitar evergreen, the Prelude from the Sixth Partita for Solo Violin BWV 1006, before taking on the first and third sonata en gros, making them glow in a bronze light. Thereupon Bin Hu delves, most impressively, into the Chaconne (from BWV 1004, here transposed to C minor) before leaving solo-violin territory and ending with David Russell’s transcription of the Sinfonia from Bach’s Cantata BWV 156, Ich steh mit einem Fuß im Grabe. In the Prelude, Bin Hu offhandedly throws high notes into the mix that sound downright alien. (If he were playing violin I’d say they are produced by a left-hand pizzicato.)>Is the absorbing nature of the recital the result of the spacious, crystal clear sound? (Really a must for good guitar recitals.) Or is it due to Bin Hu’s pitch-perfect, airy, ductile playing, his innovative transcriptions (taking Bach’s own transcriptions of these works into account as alternate sources), or his historically inspired scordatura tunings? Presumably it’s a mix of all these qualities. In any case, it’s an audiophile delight.>>129396060Be a man and post the single greatest op.55 at least, by Friedman himself:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqp4JpvNxawI have to finish list of the best recordings of each nocturne, I'm only missing a few.Maybe that will teach you what good performances are.
>>129396136Have you tried Freire's set? he's both a great Chopin interpreter and pianist in general.
>>129396171I have and I like it, of course. It's one of the most famous sets lol. I even like it more than Moravec's and Arrau's. But it's not on Friedman's level, especially op.55
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itbIxG1fTBY&list=OLAK5uy_lw47r9DDyqRgNgqJojvknx7J6EhzGHeLw&index=11>An artist who "clearly stands among the greatest pianists of our time or any other" (The New York Times), Nelson Freire made his recording debut in 1967 with Brahms' Sonata No.3 in F Minor. Half a century later, Freire returns with unrivalled color and imagination to this monumental work and other pieces from the Romantic composer in his new Decca album, Brahms, including a selection of the celebrated late intermezzi, Op.116 - Op.119.Speaking of Freire and Brahms, his recording of Brahms' piano concertos with Chailly/Gewandhaus is one of the three or four best recordings of it ever.
I need to compose
>>129396187>Of Friedman’s performance of Chopin’s Nocturne in E flat, Op. 55, No. 2 Harold Schonberg famously wrote that it ‘may well be the most beautiful, singing, perfectly proportioned performance of a Chopin Nocturne ever put on records’Fair enough. I'll check yours out too then next time I listen to the Nocturnes.
>>129396192>everIt's good but it probably doesn't even make it outside of B tier for me. Probably one of the better studio options thoI think he has better recordings earlier toohttps://youtu.be/0CbnXQETADchttps://youtu.be/_OBMyrHpaVYBoth of these show him in better form, especially in places like the first movement development section where she shows a real natural plasticity with his rubato while still grinding it into the dust with a lot of power
>>129395989>I didn't listen to some tasteless garbageThen why do you listen to Stokowski's Bach?
>>129396235Yes but those don't have Chailly and the Gewandhaus. Though Horst Stein is no slouch I suppose.
>>129396234Horowitz's last performance of the 55/2 nocturne was heavily influenced by Friedman's performance as well. Really, only Cortot comes close to that one.>Friedman was triumphant in this piece, and many, including Horowitz himself, thought it was the greatest performance of a Chopin nocturne ever recorded - and Horowitz generally was not very charitable in his remarks about other pianists.
>>129396241Stokowski's Bach is the greatest Bach recording put on record.
Stokowski's Bach is single greatest recording of all time, if we ignore all the pre 60's recordingshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqPz4FVjy5E
>>129396264Greatest disgrace and travesty ever put on record, true.
>>129396264>>129396290Not this shit again, fuck off with that slop. It's a total disgrace
>>129396290Romantics are so embarrassing you get second hand cringe from them.
>>129396291But enough about your voice recordings.>>129396301But enough about yourself.
>>129396307>no uRomantics truly aren't sending their best.
I bet that guy shilling this Strikowski recording is the chopin shill
>>129396328Ironic
>>129396319The guy who listened to metal for 16 years straight? Yes, it is that same Indian. >>129396328>popslurperWasn't that yourself for 16 years straight though?
>>129396354thank you 16 years of metal listening
>>129396368>>129396339If he listened to bands like First Fragment for 16 years, t b h I can respect that
>>129396379Did you drop the "/metal/slopper" when you realized that it had become too obvious that was where you came from?
>>129396395Another day, another spam post.
>>129396412Poor Iass reduced to emulating his old bully over and over again.
>>129396424Didn't you just cry about spamming in this thread and then had your posts deleted?
>>129396424>>129396412>>129396395Mindbroken and mentally dominated, this is just spam? How about posting some classical?
>>129396442Xhes been like this for well over a month, bit sad to watch.
Xenakis
>MFW its another Chopin induced metal-meltdown and hes spamming for another 8 hours
Boulez mogs
Maybe he thinks hes found the single phrase he can spam without getting banned for it.
>>129396515Correct.
>>129396519Guess he was wrong. Sure is a lot of deleted posts.
And now we wait for the Chopinsect to reset the router in a fit of asshurt and attempt another new phrase to spam, then get banned, and the cycle of Indian rage continues. What listening to vulgar romantic interpretations of Bach does to a metalfag.
Maybe we can discuss actually important classical works now, like Stockhausen's helicopter quartet.
The context for Le Marteau is critical to its appreciation. This is a work written ten years after the end of World War II; not just that, but it was written by a French composer who himself studied with another Frenchman put into a prisoner camp during said war: Olivier Messiaen. Pierre Boulez understood that such a radical time required radical aesthetics, and so he began to write: he wrote music and he wrote essays.Both of these succeeded in creating controversy: the music was arrhythmic, clearly structured as well as Structures. But also the writings were well-reasoned, intelligent critiques of music as much as they were childish and petulant. In one essay, he remarks how Schoenberg was a relic of the old Western style and Webern provided the true way forward in classical music. This ideology, of completely shedding the past European heritage in favor of the ultramodern, is what informs Le Marteau's nine movements.Initially it was deemed "un-analyzable" as Boulez own "local indiscipline" of subverting regular tone or rhythm or dynamic orders rendered conventional row theory insufficient for the enterprising academics of his time. He had penned "Schoenberg is dead" several years earlier and was officially moving past what even Schoenberg could have possibly envisioned: a truly obtuse and impenetrable music that lends itself entirely to raw feelings for all but the most learned scholar...so don't expect me to tell you all about it! Listen! Try your best to hone in! This is the highest art that we've yet reached in our human means.
>>129396564I still can't believe people actually bothered to play it, I guess you do it just for the laughs and free helicopter ride.
Anyway, Scherchen's Bach.https://youtu.be/lNQ7Uyw47kU
>>129395935Giulini Krips or Abbado for Giovanni. They are the 3 great recordings of the piece in my opinion, and Abbado's is my personal favorite, but you can't go wrong with any.
>>129396639And there he is, router reset and spamming anew.
>>129396682What made you change the phrase, gave up already?
>>129396699Beaten down by the janny in only two bans, weak!
>>129396739And the cycle begins again, we often say our lovely janitors aren't being paid for this, but its certain that you aren't being paid to go reset your router over and over again either!
>>129396754Return to your cesspool
>>129396780Seems like you've turned this place into a cesspool with your spamming and ban evasion though.
can one of you just stop. i don't care which.
>>129396784Go back to the gutter
>>129396791How many spammy posts do you think you'll get to this time? 5?
Chopintroons and Wagnersissies are mentally ill
>>129396799Inherently so I'm afraid. Something about the music turns them neurotic.
>>129396799I don't think either of them are Wagnerites, funnily enough.
>>129396797It's time you go down the gutter
>>129396809Am I going to the gutter or down it? Your instructions are unclear.
>>129394825Hurwitz regards that recording as one of the worst Berg Violin Concerto recordings.
>>129396822>Hurwitz regardsPost immediately hidden and left unread.
>>129396818It's time you return to the sewers
>>129396827Ah the sewers this time, each phrase slightly altered in the vague hopes of evading another return to your router. Best part is that I know that because you had to evade you have to do the full 3 captchas with 5 options for each post. And its all done at a cool $0 an hour, lmao.
>>129396825kek basedpic related is a really good one btw (Bernstein and Stern)
>>129396825>>129396836It's time you make your return to the sewers
>>129396844>another 3 captchas asking about the stars for thisYa hate to see it. Shame you don't have old cookies anymore!
>>129396855Time to return to the sewers
>>129396874I only have two btw, each has 3 options and its just the find the triangle between two squares. Faster than even the old captcha tbqh.
>>129396887I'm sure the septic tank awaits your return.
>>129394894NOOOOOO
>>129396902When you take 2+ minutes to respond I just assume you failed the star one and watched the timer go on cooldown for 25 seconds.
