Ignaz Friedman editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nl7P6uZ0gQThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129432767
Richard Wagner.
Johannes Brahms
Frédéric Chopin.
reposting this anecdote because it's so hilarious and stereotypical of the aloof, imperious great artist types>>† [Otto] Gerdes is the subject of a revealing anecdote as narrated in Richard Osborne’s biography of Herbert von Karajan. Appointed artistic director of Deutsche Grammophon in 1963 and already producing and conducting recordings, Gerdes was supposedly dismissed from that post after addressing Karajan as “Herr Kollege” (my dear colleague), a breach of etiquette which gravely offended the status-conscious supremo.pic>Karajan's face when he ends someone else's career on a whim
>Editor's Caption: the stray kitty hears Bach's St Matthew Passion playing in the distance, and realizes the sweet, stately splendor of life is sustained by God's Will because of his love of humankind and kittykind (no dogs tho)
Two more wonderful movements from Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yExAGjxwDpY&list=OLAK5uy_kg-zwxtnOt4nOPXVuy_Wpe8cBiA_h5z7M&index=30https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeifrUWzJPo&list=OLAK5uy_kg-zwxtnOt4nOPXVuy_Wpe8cBiA_h5z7M&index=30Good demonstration of why this work has endured and it's so beloved.
Anything else like the Grosse Fuge?
>>129452628I know most serious music students and professionals and critics and academics do, but it's never clicked for me. Been forever since I last listened to it though. Not gonna lie, I generally skip it when listening through sets of Beethoven's string quartets.
Mathchads
>>129452628My favorite Beethoven piece, and one of the greatest of all. Not even a big Beethoven SQ fan (I do love them, especially op.130 and 131). Große fuge just fills me with energy like nothing else and it's extremely catchy, specirically the second fugue triplet section drives me crazy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpNxbgN4SgM>>129452638Watch Atkinson's analysis.
>>129452638>xhe skips through such a catchy upbeat fun fugueI literally hum its main theme on my way to work. You can miss me with that sleep inducing zillion year adagio of no 15 though.>>129452662>My favorite Beethoven piece, and one of the greatest of all.Shut up Norsebot, it is not your favorite piece and has no melodic qualities that draw you into music. You pretend to like it because its a fugue and has an academic respect to it, which you believe fufills your intense desire to be taken seriously as an intellect.Cue the spam and hysterics!~>Watch Atkinson's analysis.No one else needs colored block visuals to understand a work, unlike yourself. Keep that in preschool where it belongs, ok?
>>129452662>watchAnything I can read? And I'm not doubting the musical merits and formal qualities, I'm talking strictly how pleasing it sounds to my ear. Again, I haven't listened to it in ages, and my taste has changed a ton since then, so who knows how I'd feel now. Next time I'm back into chamber music, I'll give it another try or two.
>>129452686>>xhe skips through such a catchy upbeat fun fugue>I literally hum its main theme on my way to work. You can miss me with that sleep inducing zillion year adagio of no 15 though.For me, it'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3YSXehhBbs
>Mfw I watch another youtube """"analysis"""" of colored blocks on scores
>>129452706lol
>>129452696>not watching Atkinson videosAre you stupid? Just watch that one, and listen with attention, it'll click. It helps knowing that there are two fugues there, not just one, with a minuet inbetween, so you know when new subjects are introduced.>>129452686thank you charlatan metalposter
now playingstart of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 2 for Solo Violin in D Minor, BWV 1004https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUbqwHlPElQ&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=18start of J.S. Bach: Sonata No. 3 for Solo Violin in C Major, BWV 1005https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRhfeUN7_64&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=23start of J.S. Bach: Partita No. 3 for Solo Violin in E Major, BWV 1006https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Dy1qTQAJo&list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8&index=26https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mJ-O1Dfj4EIqHCzNGWoWPejWLJ5gpiUS8>In recording the sonatas and partitas, often regarded as among the most important pieces ever written for solo violin, Capuçon shares an interpretation that stems from this long-standing adoration for the music of Bach. He conquers every technical and expressive challenge posed by these works known for their kaleidoscopic musical variety and unprecedented melodic, harmonic and rhythmical inventiveness and brings impeccable precision and seemingly infinite interpretative insight to each of the six in turn.>“For as long as I can remember, his music has always calmed and comforted me, while at the same time filling me with feelings of energy and joy. It was with a mixture of serenity and humility that I approached these recording sessions in Berlin. This was a moment of introspection for me, a moment of listening to a voice within myself and of searching for the absolute,” says the violinist.
>>129452725>calling someone stupid because they prefer to read over watching YouTube videos, especially when trying to learn somethingAnon, I...
>>129452725>is asked to read something instead of watching colored squares on scores>"Are you stupid?"I have no image that can contain the hilarity of this situation. Norseslop is totally at a loss that no one respects youtube videos, imagine my shock.
>>129452738You want an analysis you're not going to understand, or a video that explains it without theoretical terminology? Also, are you implying lectures are useless? >>129452706>>129452739thank you metalposter
>>129452705Ah comon though, this theme really isn't far off from the Gross Fudge though. It has a similar sort of swingy groove to it. Missing all the layers I suppose!
>>129452706Why do you always post this one?
>>129452706In the future they'll have to use splitscreen porn videos and have random meme voiceovers going "SIXTH AND SEVENTHS????" to keep people interested in looking at the scores. Idiotcracy rules.
>>129452966Yes, apparently your kind rule.It's just convenient to have subjects outlined in every voice while listening, the other option is to do it yourself, go through the score and mark every subject, or just memorize the score entirely, but why bother? Someone did so already. Do you memorize scores? Do you compose your own music to listen to too?The person you're replying to is not even reading scores, nor knows how to, so your reply is ironic.
>>129453062>The person you're replying toWho are ya talkin to lass, replying to ur bully again? Might wanna stick to ur colored blocks instead of the contuinal embarassment...
>>129453182You know when you listen to music you can hear themes without the coloring book on screen, right? You ever try that, or is that why you don't explore lesser known composers, since they don't have shiny colored youtube videos for you to stare at?
>>129453230I believe it was yourself who couldn't figue out Medtner's left hand theme though, unfortunately no colored block video for you there. Maybe you should pratice on your own without youtube videos? Just a thought.
>>129453261i believe it was you who failed to point out where the other section came from. i've analyzed that piece myself, just as i have analyzed beethoven sonatas, turning out that i missed important details. not that a metalimbecile would understand, just a thought.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0afQlqRKek&list=OLAK5uy_lJgeCQ6nJk4q8tYn_aRUbiZoqlSPUGKb8&index=25
>>129453354>i believe it was you who failed to point out where the other section came from.I gave you an exact timestamp "its playing the theme of around 1:45~ in the left hand", to which you replied "Oh, right. I'm still confused". The truth is that you post coloring block videos because YOU need them, not because anyone else needs them. > i've analyzed that piece myself,The only thing you've analyzed is youtubeslop videos of some weed junkie screeching about leftists and christians. Time to wake up and smell your semen incrusted trillby filled bedroom for what it is.
Great thread.
How many recordings of this exist?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4SlLHTLaLc
>>129453367I like the oldschool, naturalistic singing on this.compareKarajan/Seefriedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBUqmJBTeNU&list=OLAK5uy_lJgeCQ6nJk4q8tYn_aRUbiZoqlSPUGKb8&index=6Seguinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLBWevGZQJE&list=OLAK5uy_k_l08Eh6tOMKvvYSYflruXgYd2OheFszY&index=11Now, unlike many here, I don't hate the modern style in the Seguin recording link, it's gorgeous too, but the change of pace is nice.
Anyone else feel superior to other people because you listen to classical music?
>>129454170That's the only reason why I listen to it.
>>129454170Not directly, it's more so I feel better about myself that I'm cultured rather than that, that's it an improved, superior state of being, so in that sense, I suppose you could say I do. It's like the same feeling as being healthy and fit -- one doesn't do it for the sake of superiority, but it is better than the alternative, and that fact is recognized.
>>129454208>>129454195>>129454170Low IQ general.
>>129454170No. But I despise people who run their mouths about music without even having heard a Beethoven symphony. Or really anything, without having little to no knowledge about it (a.k.a. dunning kruger effect)I despise people in general, but some are worse than others.
What a baby.
Is there any classical with syncopated rhythms like drill music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WcRXJ4piHg&list=RD2WcRXJ4piHg&start_radio=1
Say hi to us janny
Any classical for a Metalchad?
>>129454967Chopin, Rach, and Schumann. Then pretend really hard to love Beethoven and Bach so you look smart and give credibility to your opinions.
>>129454988Sounds like a really weird projection
>>129455115I don't like Chopin or Schumann, and don't spend very much time thinking about Rach.
>>129455165I was talking about the other part of your post.
>>129450702> Telemann has 12 fantasies for solo violin that is very nice. Thank you - that sounds interesting.> Other than that, there really isn't much for pure solo strong instruments without at least a continuoI'm okay with other instruments as long as strings are a primary focus of a piece.
Instruments ruined classical
>>129455482Is it any wonder that classical peaked with Palestrina?
>>129455482>>129455551Renaissance faggots ruined classical discourse.There's only 1 (one) great composer of that disaster boomer garbage period, and it's Gesualdo.
>>129454988Metal guys cite Mozart and Wagner more than anythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqNJwa5lig
>>129455605try cleaning your ears next time you listen to music
>>129455482that was mfw I tried inviting someone to go see the city orchestra with me and they responded, "sure, it'd be cool to go on one of those nights they do movie soundtracks like Star Wars!"
Now that the dust has settled, which is the best recording of Beethoven's Violin Concerto: Perlman/Giulini or Mutter/Karajan?Perlman/Giulinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFP1eqOviqk&list=OLAK5uy_kOGXRNBvHpyO4JMdnph5G42E0hP5sLWes&index=1Mutter/Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucr9Hu_AYz4&list=OLAK5uy_nLTNiFltXuLBKhsUXXu5zv0SbLcj2us0c&index=1for the old school, Heifetz/Munch is also acceptablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PNe2LcIb6I
Johnstonhttps://youtu.be/VJkDH8o1-bs
>>129456221I'm not patrician enough for this one, sadly.
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc88jX7osw8&list=OLAK5uy_kAuURlyVzTkzayGnHJSUCcLMvQuqrefvU&index=21
>>129456166more old schoolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLwpbGzMueI
>>129456371Ugorski with the idiosyncratic performance as always. Stilll sounds great though. I'll forever love this piece, the Wanderer Fantasy was instrumental in getting me into classical.
>>129456504That's not old school, that's the mausoleum! sounds cute tho
one day i WILL learn to appreciate and enjoy Beethoven's Diabelli Variations, Op. 120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv0ThoLCEWQ
I thought I could just get a tuning lever and tune the piano to just match the pitch but apparently its more complicated than that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz1LEYxFQ5Q
I tried looking up works similar to Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde and someone suggested Penderecki's 6th Symphony. This is pretty neat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-yGwGagRUsIt's more overtly Chinese sounding. Anyone into lieder should check it out.
>Villa-Lobos is one of those composers (Haydn and Milhaud are examples of others) whose reputation has suffered through the vastness of their output. I didn't know about Milhaud. Where to start with his music?
Villa-Loboshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqSFTMkTcEY&list=OLAK5uy_k_CGiljk5TvzV6BjisJQOyV2ebJ8jkn5c&index=1
>>129452512The sad part is that Gerdes' was a very good producer and Karajan's recordings sounded very bad for a time after he left.
>>129458653Example(s)?
The one issue with going through these box sets for major conductors is most of them recorded all the same words. I mean hey, I love Beethoven 3, Schubert 9, Bruckner 4, Brahms 3, Shostakovich 5, Tchaikovsky 4, Mozart 41, et al. as much as the next guy, but can we get some variety!? Where's the Haitink Bax? Okay, he recorded Vaughan Williams and Elgar, fair. Where's the Karajan Glazunov? At least he recorded Honegger and the SVS. Where's the Bohm Franz Schmidt? Where's the Giulini Wellesz? Where's the Abbado Rousel? You get the idea.
>>129459075all the same works*, oops
now playingstart of Schumann: Scenes from Goethe's Fausthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q2JK1hx85A&list=OLAK5uy_mOsE8eKAPw7rkNfmNWltUb8sO5TH-Dm0g&index=1
>>129456166my favorite is Oïstrakh/Cluytenshttps://youtu.be/oQUN7nS2KSc?si=alb0seZjN6UIsqg2Perlman/Giulini is good too
>>129456797You get one string in tune and the rest are done by counting beats of dissonance
>>129456574Maybe we just have to accept that Diabelli Variations is just his worst composition and it's not our fault?>>129456504>WolfsthalNever heard of him before, interesting.
“The orchestra is not an ensemble, it is my instrument. The players are merely its strings, keys, and valves, silent until I breathe life into them” -Herbert von Karajan
>>129459999The ego.
>>129452490i have a lot of knowledge gaps in classical can anyone recommend me something similar to this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY301g42vO8&list=RDSY301g42vO8&start_radio=1
>>129460039Oh. Not sure anything can touch the sublimity of Mahler 9, especially the outer movements. I'm a Mahler fanatic myself. Have you listened to Mahler 10th? The slow movements and also slow movement of 6th are divine, imo closest you'll get along with Bruckner, 9th, 7th 4th 8th symphonies, have you tried them? Tchaikovsky 6th finale? Maybe from other genres, e.g. Beethoven's C# minor string quartet (esp first movement), the slow movement of his sonatas no.29 and no.30, slow movement of Chopin's 3rd sonata.I mean, none of these are the Mahler 9, but they're all masterpieces of their own.
>>129460129>the sublimity
>>129460039>>129460129Here are the links:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-bkXpm3HLg&list=OLAK5uy_kYN-6UhI-rW62c7_zT9um-gw-cBz9JesAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtmfVeUdmI (the andante movement)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghzevma-nyA&list=OLAK5uy_l1y2Kl2kImDWiAoACBe95ubnSsj0tuiOE&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjSeGEh4EFU&list=OLAK5uy_nkMxV1Al1r25m0K48AetGoDswpS-MSebg&index=3A non-symphony work:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz5oz4oL_ls&list=OLAK5uy_keBIxqdJf00GpMJAIViKPrhja3TZVuz3s&index=5>>129460142Yes.
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I have never once heard anyone say "sublime" or "sublimity" in an unironic fashion IRL.
>>129460306because you are a nigger from the hood of Detroit.
>>129460315Real
>>129460347fr fr no cap
People call Die Meistersinger the Bach opera, and although I like the name, is it really fitting?The main reason it's called that is that, more than being set in Nuremberg and being a testament to German art history, it utilises traditional musical forms such as the counterpoint in the overture. But what else is really similar to Bach in it? Does anyone know? I can only think of the use of organ/church music in the very first scene.Meistersinger seems like the least studied opera of Wagner's because it's one of the least groundbreaking, and I think this is a negative.
>>129460380it definitely has stylistic influences from Bach but there is a lot more to it than that. Die Meistersinger is Wagner's most extensive opera and in it he sought to resoundingly disprove all the crap that critics like Hanslick had thrown at him since the 1840s.
>>129460315What kind of numale actually says "ouh, thats sooOOoo sublime dear, the ~sublimity~ is simply to die for". Git yo ass 'nocked out fo talkin' like dat 'round my hood, wigga.
>>129460489why are you brown?
>>129460515Cus I be takin over yo country n shiet, wigga. Thanks fo' beta testing.
>>129460530indubitably.
>>129460548Hehehe
Holy shit this is good!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9hdCpdcqc
The Schumann Show
>tfw no donna anna gfThoughts on Joan Sutherland?
>>129461896>donna anna gfAnd that pic related is what made you think this?
now playingstart of Elgar: The Dream of Gerontius, Op. 38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb_IRNf-eD0&list=OLAK5uy_m_0Ro6rfQwA9DmsvkEmsKJelGZ1vUoIPM&index=1https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m_0Ro6rfQwA9DmsvkEmsKJelGZ1vUoIPM>Of Daniel Barenboim's Elgar series with the Staatskapelle Berlin, The New York Times claims, "If anyone can make a case for Elgar outside Britain, and without special pleading, it's Daniel Barenboim." Barenboim's recording of Elgar's The Dream of Gerontius is the latest addition to his praised Elgar series. Featuring a fine array of English-speaking soloists: Catherine Wyn-Rogers, Andrew Staples and Thomas Hampson, this album is Barenboim's first recording of Elgar's choral masterpiece.
>>129461914The truth is I just find the '>tfw no [classical-related woman] gf' format funny to post, so I thought of Donna Anna, then looked up a picture, and then that one allowed me to ask a question about Joan Sutherland too.
>tfw no parsifal gf haremwhy live
>>129461939Spooky scary skeletons...
>>129461939>all those nipples protrudingIs Parsifal good for you?
>>129461965as good for you as the Holy Grail
I found another great YouTube channel with a large, curated library of classic recordings if anyone is interested.https://www.youtube.com/@music-poetry/videos
>>129459697>Maybe we just have to accept that Diabelli Variations is just his worst composition and it's not our fault?when I was first getting into classical, I think I read the blog of a pianist or just classical superfan where they said the Diabelli Variations was considered by connoisseurs to be one of his very best works, and that has forever influenced how I think about the piece, even if I myself don't quite get it. plus, y'know, the Goldberg Variations is one of the greatest pieces of all time, so it's easy to see Op. 120 as Beethoven's version of that
>>129459295>my favorite is Oïstrakh/Cluytensfunny, I was wondering if Oistrakh had a recording of the work and with who. surprising he doesn't have one with Klemperer given their masterful reference recording of the Brahms Violin Concerto
Let me guess? You "need" more?
>>129462184I was just thinking last night when listening to some of Schubert's string quartets, if you try focusing on the secondary or tertiary melodic lines instead of the primary one in a string quartet/chamber piece, it really illustrates the stunning formal complexity and depth of the form. If you only focus on the primary line, as the ear naturally does, it's easy to think all of the instruments are either performing the same tune or simply providing layering support for it, so when you focus on the others and hear what they're doing, and how every other layer is just as developed, it's nuts>>129461858yeah it is
>>129462184Yeah, I need a tenor cello.
feels like a Beethoven 9 morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbf5r4zEN6Ialso lemme say, I didn't know Kempe or Suitner had Beethoven cycles. anyone know if they're good? aside from this 9th I'm about to listen to of coursehere's the 9th from Kempe's cycle I considered also listening tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cw-8a6MCiQ
Just discovered this Max Reger set. The diff. parts of the recording here are >Symphonic Choral Works, Orchestral Songs>Variations, Suites, Romances>Concertos, Sinfoniettacool stuff! Sharing because I know we have some Reger fans here, and I've been meaning to get into his music for the longest time but never knew where to start, so I searched, "max reger orchestral" and found this neat set.a link from each setromancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9tAjYCYXMs&list=OLAK5uy_kY5Op7Xma-ob1TMGTyCcfYDyziWxG4Zas&index=2concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeNsPp6R-2o&list=OLAK5uy_kzPdFulRU1onO1tH2t3Q5HawIxas6O0VA&index=1requiemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6MirwzHDT8&list=OLAK5uy_kjBhebgjpaLYgkbkqGxL5bx-dG_nq1afQ&index=1can't wait to listen through this entire set and finally join the other anons in shilling Max Reger's music
>>129462294Reger is the real Brahms fog tbqh.
>>129462294>>129462342I listened to Max Reger and next thing I know, when I look out my window, the regerfog....
I miss him bros.https://youtu.be/H0x_dCrKd4w?si=9wq_E6nfgyZuJzAK
>>129463206... but my aim is getting better! Haha!
>>129461939I need to get this role.
>>129454170Listen because it's good, not because it's something only smart people like. The feeling of superiority is like a byproduct.
the only reason I finally got into opera recordings is so I can now honestly answer, whenever asked what kind of music I like, "opera" and give that smug smirk of patrician superiority :^)The kind of look that gets the interlocutor telling his friends "don't tell this dude I browse TikTok, I can't have him have the upper hand even more!" posthaste
First time posting in these threads. I discovered George Crumb and Krzysztof Penderecki recently and my soul is still recovering. https://youtu.be/3GuzUJthd8Qhttps://youtu.be/ommO1vOqMCEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etHtCVeU4-Irea
>what kind of music do you like, anon?>classical>oh? who?>I love Mozart.>oh my god, me too! I love his symphonies and piano concertos :)>Oh, I actually meant his operas... his other music is okay too I guess. *patrician smirk*hehehe
>>129465166Dope, thanks, love choral music of any kind, def. gonna check those out in full. You might enjoy this Penderecki symphony I linked in an above post,>>129458061Maybe you've heard it already but you might like Britten's War Requiem too, and if you're really hardcore, Ligeti's Requiem
spammerAnon who's crazy into Hamelin's recordings, you check out his Villa-Lobos yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvuKm9QWaEQ&list=OLAK5uy_nX-oyDGYSk39vN9eyAZdqAYYqjRhq4Yp4&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkzuND2WAfk&list=OLAK5uy_nX-oyDGYSk39vN9eyAZdqAYYqjRhq4Yp4&index=21>Villa-Lobos is one of those composers (Haydn and Milhaud are examples of others) whose reputation has suffered through the vastness of their output. Where does the listener start What are the major works No problem here! This recital presents the most important of his solo piano works in definitive performances by Marc-Andr Hamelin. A one-disc compendium of the essence of Villa-Lobos. The major work is Rudepoema; written in the 1920's for Artur Rubinstein it was said by the composer to be a portrait in music of the dedicatee. The work is a virtuosic tour-de-force and certainly captures the larger than life exuberance of the then young virtuoso; perhaps it could be regarded as a Latin-American equivalent of Stravinsky's Three Movements from Petrushka also dedicated to Rubinstein. The Prole do Beb (The Baby's Family) suites represent in the first suite various dolls and in the second toy animals. These are not children's pieces, though, but adult reflections on these images. The music has a certain Ravelian clarity but again coloured with the rhythms of South America. O Polichinelo in the first suite is certainly Villa-Lobos' most popular piano piece and frequently crops up as recital encore, a trend begun by Rubinstein. The recital is completed by As Trs Marias, three delightful miniatures that actually represent the three stars in the 'belt' of the constellation Orion.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4IYwBhFN6c&list=OLAK5uy_nYOWN45gJrYbdHrCR9AVw8wrp2W19QIqA&index=27
I mentioned this in a lit thread and thought I would recommend it here. About halfway through. Amazing book. As thorough as can be.
>>129455551Palestrina is non ironically great though. I've heard a few of his works performed in person in cathedrals and it was truly inspirational in the real sense of the word.
>>129465280Ernst the painter? And who's Zarzycki?
>>129465222Not yet, but I had this on my very close list to me because I didn't mind Villa-Lobos's Bachianas brasileiras when I listened to it a year ago, and obviously completing Hamelin's repertoire is a goal of mine anyways. I have been getting side tracked with Grieg and Bartok string quartets, but I'll get on listening to this.That being said, these aren't really my sort of things - small character or mood pieces that is. Rudepoema looks interesting, although part of me imagines it isn't exactly going to be following any form.
>>129465293Might be helpful if you actually said what its about beyond a nebulous "Bach" title.
>>129465823The main appeal is the writer, Gardiner. Love or hate HIP, the man indisputably has passion for Bach, knows the history and music, and is a perfect advocate and teacher of the pieces.
Listen to Enescuhttps://youtu.be/qdGh5UqbbuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDAsjiq0Bcc>My goal: complete liberation from form and symbols, cohesion and logic. Away with motivic work! Away with harmony as the cement of my architecture! Harmony is expression and nothing more. Away with pathos! Away with 24 pound protracted scores! My music must be short. Lean! In two notes, not built, but "expressed". And the result is, I hope, without stylized and sterilized drawn-out sentiment. That is not how man feels; it is impossible to feel only one emotion. Man has many feelings, thousands at a time, and these feelings add up no more than apples and pears add up. Each goes its own way. This multicoloured, polymorphic, illogical nature of our feelings, and their associations, a rush of blood, reactions in our senses, in our nerves; I must have this in my music. It should be an expression of feeling, as if really were the feeling, full of unconscious connections, not some perception of "conscious logic". Now I have said it, and they may burn me.
>>129467034I listened to a good portion of Gould's Schoenberg set the other night. I felt nothing. I enjoyed little.
Dear sirs,you wrote: “… Chopin is far and away the better composer.” I take displeasure at your personal drivel. I'm a man who hates superficiality. Between Chopin and Liszt, Chopin is the one with lack of vision and cheap affectations. Bland finger exercises masquerade as musical etudes: sweet pieces not melodious, cheerful pieces hesitating, grandiose pieces not powerful. Once in a while there's a gem like the Revolution or Raindrop, most are languid that cannot last half a life time of listening. Look at his greenhorn-friendly nocturns, for which this wimp is most famous for. Out of the 20 or so, maybe 5 are good. The rest are soporific bore that are byproducts of copy and paste. Similarly for his warmongering polonaises, only a few are good. Heroic, give me a break; Militant, you bet. Out of his petite collection of preludes, only 4 or so stands out. The prelude set in Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier is sufficient to dwarf Chopin's ass. And look at what types of music Chopin has written? Not much! and the mazurkas being the worst form of music in entire history. Nary a one piece is worth listening to once. Liszt's etudes, songs, marches, sonatas, sceneries, lyrical poems, holy hymns, impromptus, fantasies, rhapsodies, break precepts and form, diverse and overwhelming in mood not sensation, not to mention his altruistic paraphrases giving a helping hand to the slew of lesser beings and poor apprentices and admirers like Chopin and Schumann et al. Simply take his collection of paraphrases is sufficient to equate all of Chopin's entire suite of greatest works.
Chopin the weakling in awe of his mentor, had to dedicated his Opus 10 etudes to Liszt. Speaking of influence on music or later generations, Liszt is the father of impressionism — a entire genre of piano music, of which Brahms, Bizet, Rachmaninov, Ravel, Debussy all kowtow and pay homage. Without impressionism, there'd be no Jazz nor atonal music. What has Chopin and his few petty piano corpus influenced? The soap opera? Liszt made it possible to put entire symphony on mere 88 piano notes; purged classical music of impurities and motley array of quaint instruments big and small with odd shapes and tunes. What has Chopin's inventive chords done for music? A few warhorses here and there in modern repertoire? And, did you know that Liszt is the progenitor of the practice where frenzied young ladies flinging their undies to their idol on stage?Of course, lesser pianists with faint-hearted ears will attribute bombast to Liszt's music. I care nothing of bombast, but Liszt's music speaks to my heart 100 times as sharp knife's cuts than Chopin's. Something Chopin lovers just don't have sufficient nerve endings or heart to ever discern or appreciate. Them vapid weepy heartburned half-asleep day-dreamers; tears of emotion gushes out their eyes like faucet, heaving and snorting to express their stupefaction and gratification.Chopin was a favorite of mine, but once i learned of Liszt, Chopin the mawkish freak gets kicked aside like a relic. If Chopin's music is a temptress, Liszt's is the buxom nubile jailbait next door, ready to throb your heart, burst your balls, and whack your brain out.So, next time if you want to bad mouth Liszt relative to Chopin, you better shut up!
>>129467644>What has Chopin and his few petty piano corpus influenced? The soap opera?:O>If Chopin's music is a temptress, Liszt's is the buxom nubile jailbait next door, ready to throb your heart, burst your balls, and whack your brain out.Epstein was a Liszt fan?
>>129467593says more about Gould than Schoenberg
Just cant get into Schoenberg, he's only alright if you just want to listen to noises and are tired of melodies.
>>129467692You got a rec for a set of his piano works then? Don't say Pina Napolitano, my streaming service has the 8min op. 11 piece listed as unavailable >:(
>>129467746honestly for Schoenberg I usually default to Pollini
speaking of Schoenberg recordings, anyone else find it fascinating that the kind of pianists that record classical/romantic/post-romantic era music aren't the same ones that record SVS piano music which also aren't the kind that record minimalism which aren't the same kind that record avant-garde mid-20th century? And then you have Bach which everyone kinda records.Idk I just think it's cool that classical solo piano music isn't some large umbrella, but rather there are specialists and different pockets of styles and philosophies; the guys who perform Beethoven and Chopin don't perform Schoenberg who don't perform Messiaen who don't perform Feldman.
>>129468095more like Myra Hiss hahahahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6BPTCveWH8charming tho
>>129468106Not a regular to these threads but why don't they just use one of those AI audio de-Hissers. Im sure you could also mess around with EQ and get a much better sounding recording.
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Rigolettohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VVpZGrmEAc&list=OLAK5uy_n0wlCYQ7q4SUgLXV46pOgJ2J2bQ-jOYrQ&index=12Goddamn Verdi wrote a lot of operas
>>129468118If you're asking specifically, that video was uploaded 17 years ago. If you're asking in general, I guess for authenticity, though there are some people, including an anon here, who do clean up famous, acclaimed recordings. No idea how good AI is at it. Not sure if I've heard an example on a famous classical recording yet.
>>129468327Once, back in high school, years before I got into classical, I wanted to impress my mother and show her I was taking my studies seriously, so I looked up "classical piano" and put on Rubenstein's recording of Chopin's Nocturnes on the cheap speakers I had while taking notes from a textbook. It worked. My mother was quite impressed with the young intellectual she had given birth to when she opened the door and witnessed the scene.
>>129460306Try going to a classical concert...?
>>129468354You really think a lot about impressing others, don't you?
>>129468396Just my mother that particular afternoon.
>>129468407No, you really think about it excessively >>129465151 >>129465170 >>129456281
There isn't a single good opera. They are basically the high school musical of the 17th century
How long does it take to learn to read music? So far its taking me like 20 minutes just to learn 4 bars. Im terrible and ready to throw in the flag
>>129467859Arrau admired and played Schoenberg. Just never recorded it for a label because it doesn't sellWhen Karajan recorded the SVS he paid for it out of his own pocket because DG wouldn't OK the production on their dime.
>>129468545the fuck is SVS. Can you guys stop gatekeeping music by using initials. It took me weeks to find out what BWV was
>>129468118De-hissing usually sounds worse than if you just left it alone. It almost always invariably makes the recorded sound less detailed and the acoustic seems to get sucked out and it becomes muffled. You can do low pass filters right above the point where the music ends but honestly I don't really like the way that sounds eitherAt most I'll occasionally do some light spectral denoising but it's easy to go too far. The more important thing is cleaning up clicks, crackle, pops, pitch fluctuations, and applying some reasonable EQ (when needed)AI tools aren't really there quite yet
>>129468534>>129468562fuck off.
>>129468645heh how did you know?
>>129468659it's nothing personal, anon. telling tourists to fuck off is the standard procedure around here
>>129468534>I am a little pussy bitch who folds at the mere mention of effort
>>129468699Im not a tourist, Ive been coming here since the Christmas threads
>>129460129i will be checking these out shortly, i appreciate the thorough response and recs. sublime is very apt imo, have yet to find something that scratches that specific itch.
>>129468779come back when you can play Wuorinen's sonatas from sight.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEaHJ1SsA4o
>>129467746Steuermann
>>129468801>sublime is very apt imo, have yet to find something that scratches that specific itch.I've that feeling about the first movement of Mahler's 9th, however the finale is pretty close.
>>129467644>>129467640This would be a lot better if not for pretending Liszt is any better, both are second rate composers.
>>129465222>>129465807Well, I forced myself through the entire thing, but I have to admit its not often I truly hate a work in classical, but this might be there. Not sure what Hamelin saw in these pieces, because I'm certainly not there with him. I hadn't actually even read your greentext or anything about the works until after the first "book", all I knew was that they were character pieces for the most part, so during my listening session I was sitting there thinking that "O Polichinelo might be among the worst piles of shite I've ever listened to"... little did I know Rubinstein used this as an encore??? Maybe he used it as a way to ensure no one asked him for a second encore, because that is one foul 78 seconds of your life wasted. Some composers do have duds (like Alkan), but thats a pretty bad one. The second collection of mood pieces was better, if only because they have more length to actually develop into something, "O boizinho de chumbo" was almost ok I think, the one before it was alright too, apparently a horse, I have no idea. A lot of these remind me of early Ornstein in a way, I wasn't a fan of those either besides Suicide in an Airplane (which I admit I quite enjoy). Which leaves us with Rudepoema, I imagine this was probably the real reason Hamelin make this record, and the mood pieces were filler. I was right to guess the form of this doesn't really exist, or if it does its beyond my ability to see it, I did search online for any reference and Hyperion seems to suggest it doesn't really follow sonata structure or anything else. There are a lot of small tight arpeggios just for impressionist color, similar to the character/mood pieces, and a similar relation to early ornstein in tone clusters. Things seem to just happen for whimsy or feeling, its not for me really. Unfortunately this is probably a record I shan't return to much, if really at all.
>Bernstein chose the transcription for string orchestra of Beethoven’s String Quartet in C-sharp minor, Op. 131, as “my personal favorite record that I’ve ever made in my life.” Recorded in 1977 with the Vienna Philharmonic’s string section, it’s paired with a transcription of Beethoven’s final quartet, Op. 135, also with the Vienna players in 1989, on a Deutsche Grammophon release.Can't disagree, this is indeed cool as fuck. One of the best recordings of the piece I've heard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWCRkLuMgMY&list=OLAK5uy_kDtyAmNthEgcbQH1gwcVsnqppfiram450&index=1
>>129468374True.Some music records well. There's no real difference between EDM in person and EDM on a good set of headphones.That's not true for classic. Even the best capturing methods are far inferior to experiencing it closely.When I was 19 I got a chance to play second violin with the Philharmonic of my city. I will never forget that just due to the sound, being inside of it. I've also been to numerous performances and classical is by far much better in person.
>>129468434Those other posts are me just trying to be funny (well, not the Johnston one). Don't take it so seriously, anon.
>>129469727yeah I love it myself
>>129469727Kino cover.
>>129469562oh well thanks for giving it a try, that's all I can ask. Villa-Lobos isn't always good I suppose
Listen to Prokofiev's operashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvFWZgrUFP4&list=OLAK5uy_lBgqSRwq-Qof3W8MhJF5YOlFa7D9dDfI4&index=8
>>129470124Yeah I don't mind his Bach thing, but his piano music is uh... questionable. Maybe someone much more into impressionism might get something more of this than I did.Still, the fact "O Polichinelo" was used as an encore, I really don't get it, sounds like the worst sort of Etude-y exercise imaginable. Did you listen to this album? What did you think of it?
>>129470164>Listen to operasNo thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzhjAzQ2hE&list=OLAK5uy_lO9VYw56VdCJJnzl1pl6PargrUV2IvmDA&index=8Constantly alternating between c# minor quartet and f minor concerto today for some reason, 3rd run already
>>129470182Nelson Freire <3
>>129467028Enescu is one of the composers I don't think about listening to often, but whenever I do, I always end up enjoying him a lot more than I expect. Recently it was his symphonies and octet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKQPsVPWNK8
For this morning's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Falstaff conducted by Herbert von Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIUnl_zFgcU&list=OLAK5uy_nI-2hniHwCOr1H4SnJ0gnHISfRL6gLUvw&index=1
I don't get how there aren't more works like Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde. A symphonic lieder just seems like such an obvious idea.
>>129468841>>129468882what the fuck, he's just hitting random notes
>>129470592The word you are looking for is aria.
Never heard Mahler before, where should I start
>>1294714242nd symphony, Bernstein conducting.
>>129471442ok thanks, im going in raw
>>129471424The 5thhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuKCI8B4WwgIf you don't like the soundhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Sken8ly3o
>>129471424Just go chronologically
Mahler newbie listening order by accessability (roughly, my take)5 > 2 > 1 > 6 > 4 > 3 > 8 > 9 > 7Ranking of symphonies 9 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 7 > 8 > 2 > 1
Listening to Kapustin, call the cops, I don't give a F.
aight Verdi's operas are finally clicking for me, they're amazing
>>129474572La traviata is the only operaslop I listen to.
>>129471692I always liked the 4th as the first one I recommend to newbies. Maybe I'm wrong on that though.
For today's opera performance, we listen to Verdi's Aida conducted by Erich Leinsdorf and headlined by Leontyne Pricehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms8zAb2jXVI&list=OLAK5uy_m2XXbczOwQ4JlHjNtm2QtQBLsxnFEVSSI&index=18
>mozart's operas:/>mozart's operas (dialogue movements excluded):D
>>129474806I didn't look beyond Price and Leinsdorf for the names of the performers', and while listening to it now, I was pretty sure I recognized the voice of Placido Domingo, and checking the cover, I was right! I'm moving up in the world, anons
now playingstart of Parry: Symphony No. 5 in B Minor, "Symphonic Fantasia"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIEKvbSUtzQ&list=OLAK5uy_k0U5HeoT4Te8a7FW-NzTfJQRxWe0yX0vk&index=2start of Parry: From Death to Life (Mors et vitae) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-NHolC3u4w&list=OLAK5uy_k0U5HeoT4Te8a7FW-NzTfJQRxWe0yX0vk&index=6Parry: Elegy for Brahms in A Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWs4p2xil-A&list=OLAK5uy_k0U5HeoT4Te8a7FW-NzTfJQRxWe0yX0vk&index=7https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0U5HeoT4Te8a7FW-NzTfJQRxWe0yX0vkSome quality English late romanticism.
Faurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiwG-4uxTl8
fuck wagner and strauss, verdi and puccini are my new best friendshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZrSuSK_sXA&list=OLAK5uy_mJgp79ONmHRcGY5s4YSEY24qLaBuaDXV4&index=33
Why are so many classical music songs about Jesus in music from long ago? It seems almost like an obsession. I wasn't raised in a western house so I never really understood it.
>>129476754he's the divine muse~
TORRRREEEAAAAADORRR TRA LA LA LA LA LALA LA LA LAAAAAAAALA LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAA
Bernstein's Tchaikovsky 6. Yay or nay?
>>129477031On Sony? Not bad. On DG? Stay away unless you really like slow performances (and I mean that sincerely -- most people don't like this recording but the few that do love it intensely) or need help falling asleep.
>>129476754Think of it as an archetype for a savior and the embodiment of Good.
Listening to Matthaus Passion, Bach really wishes he was Handel huh
When reading sheet music how am I supposed to know where each key is if Im looking at the sheet music and not the piano? Do you mostly go off relative notes? Like if Im on an F I know the C is 3 keys down?
>>129476754Firstly, because if they weren't about Jesus, you were risking having to deal with the church (and possibly indicted for heresy/apostasy). Furthermore, by writing music FOR the church, you would gain more recognition from the public, since it was a social gathering that otherwise would not occur. That was also the evolutionary purpose of religion, by bringing people together, social cohesion would increase, and by extent fertility.Ignore the other answers, they are delusional and ignorant.
>>129476754Real answer is that they just didn't have much to sing about and the bible was the only book people owned
>>129477374Are you asking how to recognize notes? Or the key? Those are two different things. You recognize key by looking at the chords and key signature, specifically the bass and the soprano.
>>129477411Not the real answer. Secular music/operas have existed for a long time.
>>129477419Like when looking at the written music I see a C but I can't just blindly push C on the keyboard without actually looking down to see where it is or I might hit the wrong note. This back and forth of looking at the written music and the piano is slowing me down
>>129477434Oh. That comes with practice and muscle memory. You just need to look down once, from there on you can find every note as long as you're used to the key you're playing in and have some experience.
hiss opera does have a certain appealhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS-_-z_Q6aA&list=OLAK5uy_mW5KKXnKuT74trA3DKhq80Sf8EgHlCJrY&index=3
>>129477480>I happen to agree that Désormière’s recording is indeed the great milestone in recordings of Pelléas et Mélisande and, aside from advances in sound quality, has yet to be equalled, let alone surpassed, by subsequent sets. He and his cast and recording team had three advantages in their favor; the first being the dreadful disadvantage of the Nazi occupation of Paris at the time this recording was made, an event of such dire magnitude that seems to have concentrated the human mind on the task at hand in order to escape the ghastly realities going on outside. Like Marcel Carné’s classic film Les enfants du paradis, also made during the Nazi occupation, there is an underlying reaffirmation of the human spirit to be free and joyous even in the face of terror and uncertainty. Secondly, there was little previous recorded history at that time and therefore the performers were almost completely reliant upon a way of singing and enunciating words that was passed down from generation to generation since the premiere of Pelléas in 1902. Thirdly, the age of the international singing circus was still in its formative years, and occupied Paris prevented all but local singers from participating in this recording. These influences plus the traditional French manner of performance combined to create a unique aural environment that is now extinct in the homogenized international opera houses. The Désormière set is a vivid document from a dear, dead world that will never happen again and is the more poignant and moving for that.damn
La Traviatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf-cz0gxKncI don't think I will go through every La Traviata with Callas anytime soon. Any version other than this I should listen to?
>>129477554Have you considered a recording without Callas?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyqoSWQa138&list=OLAK5uy_lg65i4k1aoIwJkjrB2VKlfNYOuyLnZp30&index=5But with Callas, the one you posted seems to be the one to have.
I skip over every Maria Callas recording because I only listen to opera recordings with conductors I recognize.
>>129452706kek
I feel like we lost a whole dynamic in music when composers stopped using coloured notes
>>129477593>recording without Callas?>posts modernists; PavarottiLol. No thanks.
Beethovens later work feels a little too sludgy to me. You can tell his ear for compact and tight melodies was gone.
>>129477883Beethoven never was a good melodist. But he did compose some of the most memorable (non-melodic) motifs. His ability to compose such motifs never declined over time, this is one of his best ones, and it's actually quite melodic too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBXhPBgqkQMNot to mention sonata no.30 and no.32, you must be kidding if you say they aren't perfectly designed to be addictive to the ear.
Most Beethovenian pieces not by Beethoven?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfe7WlIWx0A
>>129478198https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B9nERqEmUA
>>129452490just found out Bach was swarthy. I thought classical music was supposed to be white. wtf?
>>129478434>just found out Bach was swarthy.Incorrect, please refer to the map for accurate whiteness.
>>129478553>>129478434Actually I guess Eisenach still isn't north enough. So we must admit Bach was very swarthy and certainly not white.
>>129478553genetically speaking Bach was not from that area and his most distant ancestor that we know of was a Hungarian.
>>129478580the Bachs were southerners who immigrated during the reformation.
oh no no no.
>Bachpure ethnic hungarian>Schubertfirst generation czech immigrant>Haydntried to hide it but he was croatian
>>129478627Goddamned Ellis Islanders I say.
>>129478592>>129478581So Bach is certainly not white. Now who is left that is white, I believe the list of white composers is as follows:BrahmsFagnerBuxtehudeTelemannHandelWilliam ByrdThomas TallisPurcellGrieg (Scottish)Menddlessohn (honorary)
>>129478680Oh also Schumann unfortunately.
>>129478680don't forget John Cage, Wuorinen, Ives, and Stockhausen.
Listening to Gesualdo and admiring Caravaggio paintings, back when art was filled with murderers - the good old days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0B-U7XFLIE&list=OLAK5uy_lIT_mRqm17mlPwWoxmrVvhr0R1Tq7IufM
My professor (a big fan of Schoenberg) once described the First Chamber Symphony as "steamrolled Mahler", meaning a bunch of neurotic ideas condensed so much that they have no space to breathe or develop properly. I think he somehow meant that positively. The funny thing is, Schoenberg really thought the work was full of "singable tunes".That transition from 19th to 20th century classical is really where I switch from the Germans to the French and Russians. They did far more colorful things without sacrificing depth or rigor.
>>129478947which university did you go to? (if it's Berklee you should have been aborted.)
>>129478947>First Chamber Symphony>filtered by early Schoenberg pre-atonalityNGMI.>Schoenberg really thought the work was full of "singable tunes".It is.
>>129478947Chamber symphonies no.1 and 2 are quite nice. Not sure if there are any real "singable tunes" but they are among the Schoenberg pieces I like to return to along with Verklarte Nacht, string quartet no.1, piano concerto and a couple of others. The German school really did fall off after the early 20th century, specifically around the WW period, for me at least, but seems to be the consensus. Even Schoneberg is barely worth anything in the face of Mahler and Beethoven.
>>129478957It's not in the US.>>129478986Eh, I'm not "filtered" by it at all. I understand it because I studied it, but it's just not my cup of tea. I sort of like Webern because at least he knew extreme brevity.>>129478997True.
If Schoenberg was a fruit, he would be grapefruit. An extra bitter one.
>>129479007>I understand itDoesn't mean a lack of filtration. >like Webern because at least he knew extreme brevity.Sounds more like you dislike Webern and just want it to be over as quickly as possible. I mean imagine promoting brevity and Mahler at the same time, lmao.
>>129479007>it's not in the USwhere then? Mumbai? Mexico City?
>>129479043Why are you even asking retard? Who is going to tell you their school's location on 4cuck.org?
>>129479031>Doesn't mean a lack of filtration.Oh yeah? What does "filtered" mean to you?>Sounds more like you dislike Webern and just want it to be over as quickly as possible. I mean imagine promoting brevity and Mahler at the same time, lmao.Not really. I like Webern more because he applied the same row logic to other musical parameters. I think Serialism might be more interesting than Dodecaphony.And I'm not "promoting brevity" or Mahler, so I'm not sure where you got that from. I simply stated what I find Webern's best quality to be. A lot of composers don't know when to shut the fuck up, including Mahler and especially Liszt.
>>129479054so you're a liar. got it.
>here's your 25+ minute adagio no one asked for broWhat makes a geriatric compose such a thing?
>>129479043Yeah, I'm not going to tell you which university it was, kek. Let's just say Mitteleuropa and leave it at that.
>>129479065Not even the person you originally replied to, mongrel.
>>129479060>A lot of composers don't know when to shut the fuck up, including MahleNTA, but in that case, Hurwitz would (rightfully) point out that you don't understand Mahler.
>>129479085>Ehrm, did you think about my eceleb, silly!?!??!What having no personality does to a bugman. You ever think about having your own thoughts?
>>129479085Of course he would, he's Jewish!Seriously, he'd be right. But that's just a hypothetical. I understand Mahler and enjoy most of his work. His 2nd is irredeemable garbage, though.
>>129479071falls du deutscher bist mein onkel ist ein affe.
>>129479070Same for you, you don't understand the composer, whoever it might be, and you're lashing out. If you think Bruckner's adagios could be cut from 25 min to even 15 min, you're not paying attention to what you're listening to.>>129479097thank you metalimbecile
>>129479060>What does "filtered" mean to you?In almost all cases its the instinctual negative reaction to dissonance, intense chromaticism, or atonality. >I like Webern more because he applied the same row logic to other musical parametersI highly doubt that, considering you originally stated your reason for liking him was simply because he was shorter in length and with less notes.
>>129479108>you're not paying attention to what you're listening to.Considering you can't even track a theme in a Medtner piece, it's pretty clear that you can't pay attention to what you listen to, and rather just default to whatever eceleb opinion was drilled into your bugman mind.
>>1294791012nd is far from garbage, but it's one of his worst symphonies, which doesn't mean much since Mahler was consistent. Unlike Shostakovich, or even Bruckner. What it does take, is immense attention and long-term thinking, not something an average listener can handle surely.>>129479111>>129479116lovely posts metalimbecile
>>129479132Why are you acting like you've even had the time to digest so many composers and pieces? You only started listening to classical for one year, lass. Yet you'll sit around speaking with authority on any piece or composition mentioned, hilarious. The hubris brought forth by regurgitating eceleb opinions and hiding behind majority consensus.
You know its pretty funny, for a guy who calls 4chan an "anime website" you couldn't be further from /a/ culture, a place where you get instant banned (sometimes publically) for posting eceleb garbage. That should be a default rule for the entire site tbqh.
>>129479085We hate that fat slob here.
>>129479212Correct.
>>129479212but without Dave who will be our punching bag?
>>129479223Wagner.
>>129479223I second Wagner.
>Despite his apparently loathing the piano, it being 'an affront to destroy a melodiously conceived idea by trying to fit it into the limitations of two hands and a box full of hammers and strings', the solo piano music of Percy Grainger comprises about ninety works, many of which are transcriptions of earlier orchestral or instrumental compositions. Grainger was an inveterate arranger and transcriber of music: of his own compositions, of folk-music from around the world, and of works by masters from Bach and Dowland to Fauré and Richard Strauss.Lol.
>>129479284>Australianinto the trash it goes.
>>129479322>In a 1907 interview, Grieg stated: "I have written Norwegian Peasant Dances that no one in my country can play, and here comes this Australian who plays them as they ought to be played! He is a genius that we Scandinavians cannot do other than love."
>>129479335sarcasm.
>>129479352Feeling like you're a bit of Strayaphobe, cunt.
>>129479397yes and I'm Australian.
>>129479416But enough about your Chinese heritage.
>>129479432>you must pretend your country isn't garbage even though it clearly is.no. I don't think I will.
>>129479448Idk, I think China seems like a fine enough country.
>>129478709Not so loud, ok?
Medtner turned me gay.
Medtner raped your mind.
Chopin gave me gyno.
Piano newfag here. What do you do when you encounter strange fingering that’s much less comfortable than an alternative? Should I learn and practice it under the assumption that there’s some logic I don’t see behind it, or just go with whatever is easier for me?
>>129480222You should ask your teacher.
>>129480222I just tried the fingering in your image and it seems perfectly fine to me. Not sure why you would want to change it.
>>129480222The logic there might be that the next chord/note is more easily connected with those fingerings. Are you talking about that C# to A, with 5 and 4? That might be tricky but mangable. I assume you want to play that fifth with 1st and 4th fingers, but that is a bad idea. >>129479142>>129479188>>129479214thank you metalimbecile
>>129480395Planning on another 3 day vacation?
