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1993's chart is still in progress, reply to this post with your nominations!
>>129502594Antagonist: https://youtu.be/_5XurvnkKpg Believer: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l9Fd8DBE9oDDel5q1v1CqThi58_aQH-FQCathedral: https://youtu.be/jxuKdkN87jc Estirpe Imperial: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuYFPnvmUm0e51bknuOq8PraEVHAkzAm0Gladiator: https://youtu.be/VtV7xa4SckY Jesus Freaks: https://youtu.be/oKczbR1e4mg OHL: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mt6E44z83zHiwD0Xy2W8tvtBJWpS10dn0Sepultura: https://youtu.be/jw48joavvpc Suicidal Tendencies: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_let0w2f2abv5fb5iZAO6VCfrY5z8_3XwEThunder Way: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m5DWf0zkpG_K4QkSjQG4i3kdTgUyDD9MAType O Negative: https://youtu.be/mVvtm52_0IA Uncle Slam: https://youtu.be/W6eUwW8a6nwVit Aggression:https://youtu.be/wlfru9kJPl8 https://youtu.be/l7-9sdU49pc https://youtu.be/SRTPJeOHSfUhttps://youtu.be/nGZCTbY29X8https://youtu.be/Aw2Rs-HiLKk https://youtu.be/qgs6dKV0h2ghttps://youtu.be/PXxj2scF-tE
>>129502913duplicate nominations, not counting these.
BLASTING
>>129503310I'm aware. These are for those who weren't following the previous thread.
>>129503385ah, never mind then.
What is this album cover supposed to be
>>129504261looks like cannonballs being shot across a fiery sky
>>129504261>>129504284I believe it's supposed to be a microscopic image of crystals growing.
>>129504261It's blood and cum.
>>129504261btw what subgenres does this fall in? I can hear a little stoner in there but there's something else. Is this what alt metal sounds like? Never listened to alt metal before
>>129504634I'd say it's a mix of Alt-Metal, Grunge and Stoner Metal.
>>129503376
>>129502594If Type O Negatives in Tool better be
>>129505016they're a prog metal band, aren't they? i've never listened to tool.
>>129505031Yeah but its very doomish especially on Undertow. Honestly I dont think it fits with the trad theme, but i like them and id day the same about Type O Negative
>>129505081alrighty then, i counted it >Honestly I dont think it fits with the trad theme, but i like them and id day the same about Type O Negativetype o negative's on there because i haven't listened to it yet (so can't make an official judgement) and the one song i have listened to from them (something off slow, deep and hard) sounded fine to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypCfarnY6qkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB1wnFtpecUthese two songs are fucking awesome
>>129503376https://youtu.be/f5X9S2oZ9ek?si=Gydol55vSBtjzUBxhttps://youtu.be/h-hFg9XiBpA?si=k4xBrQo2_t8KeNF_https://youtu.be/L397TWLwrUU?si=PaC3aYzMTlg5wU3Ihttps://youtu.be/UAKCR7kQMTQ?si=JD0awvPkZ_XLLeGKhttps://youtu.be/LQUXuQ6Zd9w?si=vs54SFq2Dtotm1a6
>>129505125>Highway Starbased, that's my favorite song of all time
>>129503376https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5A9NMB996phXdjldHhqovRgft2FJZGLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5t-A84-h1s
>>129505132I feel so alive listening to that song
This is crazy. I don't even post on /mu/ but sometimes check the /metal/ general. I was going to post this track and comment on how heavy it was for 1982, and here's the album already posted! Maybe I should start checking this general out more often. Seems pretty based. I also hate black metal/people.
nazi morons getting fingerprinted :)
>>129505016>>129505031>>129505081>>129505100I don't regard their judgement as perfect, but type o negative is in the metal archives (while tool isn't):https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/type_o_negative/802anyways, i suggest you listen through the stuff so you can judge for yourself. Tool is a good band, so it wouldn't be a waste of time. However I don't remember enough of their riffs to make a judgement about their "metal-ness". I haven't listened to type o negative, so i can't comment on them.
Are there more bands with good pleasant clean vocals with wide range and without shouting, shrieking, rasping? Forgot to include Candlemass - Chapter VI which has probably the best performance I've heard so far.
>>129505757If tool debuted in 1990 instead of 93 they would be on the metalarchives. Theyre mostly heavier than Type O Negative as well. Theyre probably counting Pete Steele's old pizza thrash band as contribution
I think its cool that Queen started off trying to be a heavy metal bandhttps://youtu.be/7p-5CgWP7Iw?si=OnetOjMon0OEyFXm
>>129502594>>129503396More potential additions:Coroner - Grim: https://youtu.be/V52WQN2wKuoCrowbar - Crowbar (might be too extreme): https://youtu.be/XzZl53GQwV0Fight - War of Words: https://youtu.be/qTiyp7ZuJjwIron Man: https://youtu.be/cv4SZDbsa1MLife of Agony - River Runs Red: https://youtu.be/mlOgbQ-yiTQLogos - La industria del poder: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nm5KGx1lphVB0H5UVfzOjiuSwpeupcXHkObliveon - Nemesis: https://youtu.be/6EjTAnMIdCQPhantom Blue - Built to Perform: https://youtu.be/s86z-PHJZKAPink Cream 69 - Games People Play: https://youtu.be/p6-XbbVW3roThreshold - Wounded Land: https://youtu.be/CMclIE0gr8w
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>>129503376Obviously a great album, but the drum sound still catches me off guard. The snare sounds so weird to me. Certainly gives it charm though.
>>129506468Check out NWOBHM in general
>>129506405These days are getting colderAnd I am growing olderTomorrow seems so far away
>>129502594Memento Mori - Rhymes of Lunacy
>>129503376Excited to check this out, heard good things about it, and the cover art is amazing>Epic Heavy/Power/Doom Metal
>>129509583you won't regret it bro, i checked that album out a few weeks ago and it was stellar>>Epic Heavy/Power/Doom Metalthat's pretty much what it is. early fates warning + solitude aeturnus with raw production
>>129506468Riot
>>129505544>I was going to post this track and comment on how heavy it was for 1982for 1982? it's heavy but it ain't THAT heavy. the first real "extreme" metal demos are from that year and there's plenty of proto/or actual thrash from various bands (accept, anvil, exodus, holy moses, metallica, sodom, and venom off the top of my head.)
>>129505757>anyways, i suggest you listen through the stuff so you can judge for yourself. Tool is a good band, so it wouldn't be a waste of time.will do. i've been curious about that band for a while desu>>129508085>crowbarchecking to make sure it fits>obliveon - nemesisi'm reading that the vocals on this release are particularly death-y, so i'll check this one out too >>129508687>Melvinswill check either today or tomorrow>>129509355counted
Best metal festival in the states in just under a month, hope at least some of you are also going
>>129510249>helstar>loudness>sanctuary>virgin steele>voivodfuuuuuck... those are some good bands. i wish i could go, but i'm already seeing queensryche in may and texas is on the other side of the country. :/
>>129508687for the longest time i thought these guys were shitty alt rock due to their association to nirvana and the grunge scene. didn't realize until recently they're legitimately metal.
pretty good album but the vocal style isn't trad at all. vetoing.
>>129510671>Technical Death/Thrash Metal (early); Groove Metal (mid); Industrial/Groove Metal (later)1993 seems early so it probably should be disallowed
>>129510760yeah no way that's going on. i just put on a track from SBG to compare the vocals and while the death song is slightly harder to understand, they're both comparable.
>>129509015Not really that familiar with such broad genre. I only know Blitzkrieg, Grim Reaper, Blind Fury, Satan, Saxon, Raven. I'm looking for solid hard rock type of vocals that doesn't sound like another Accept clone or some squeaky castrato.>>129509640Riot's 90s vocalist Mike DiMeo is indeed very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOSzU6BZ7_8&list=RDgOSzU6BZ7_8&start_radio=1I haven't heard of their 90s stuff, probably worth checking out.
>>129510878>I'm looking for solid hard rock type of vocals that doesn't sound like another Accept clone or some squeaky castrato.Check these out: Anvil (Metal on Metal, Forged in Fire)Europe (S/T, Wings of Tomorrow)ExciterHeavy LoadPicturePretty MaidsRiot (70s-early 80s)ScorpionsTankTokyo BladeTwisted Sister's first 3 albumsTygers of Pan Tang - SpellboundW.A.S.P.Warlord - Deliver Us
>>129510915Thank you, appreaciate your effort. Of course I know Europe, Scorpions, W.A.S.P, Pretty Maids but need to check out the rest (don't like Twisted Sister though).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYCVmRcerRothis shit feels like a fucking sledgehammer being whacked against my ears i love it >>129510994no problem! i'd say of those anvil, exciter, picture and tank will have what you're looking for the most
turned my brain to ooze. not only am i accepting it but i'm seconding this, too. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrnz4iRZQNleQ6yyRRHQ_aGk99MCmqcf8
>>129511365thirding. didn't realize this was a '93 release
>>129511400just put it on the chart, and honestly i liked it so much that i downloaded bullhead too :P
>>129503376>>129506468Black Sabbath with Tony Martin
>>129502594>>129511417Winters Bane - Heart of a Killer. Thrashy USPM once fronted by Tim Owens.
>>129503376>>129511906counted your vote, great album
>>129508085seconding Coroner. this album is kinda weird, it sounds good but i'm not really certain what they were going for. lot different than their previous albums
>>129502594is it supposed to be only traditional metal? because you have only living witness and type o negative on there
>>129512076>is it supposed to be only traditional metal?no, the yearly charts include every genre in the pastebin (alt metal and sludge are supposed to be in the "depends" section but i forgot them)
i learnt mustaine has a bald patchat least he still has most of it
>>129512076I was surprised to find Exhorder - The Law on the 1992 chart last thread.
>>129512076/trad/ is kind of a misnomer, we do most everything that doesn't get extreme like death/black or too far from being metal like certain alt and grunge bands
>>129512144yeah trad here is basically a catchall for any genre of metal that isn't extreme or blatantly non-metal. the only exception is hard rock but that genre is there purely because pretty much all metal from 1970-1979~ is indistinguishable from hard rock AND many bands (scorpions, riot, black sabbath, judas priest, deep purple, thin lizzy, rainbow, budgie, etc.) have a bevy of rock songs and danced between the two on a per-song basis. plus there's an undeniable link from shit like blue cheer and led zeppelin, to black sabbath and deep purple.
Holy fuck, it finally clicked
>>129512223Wrong thread mate.
alright so i'm finding albums in preparation for the 1994 chart now, get an early start on things. is there any other records you think i should check out? i've already listened to pentagram - be forewarned, melvins - stoner witch and electric wizard's s/t so they're not here
>>129511365I love this album. Night Goat is so good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivwif2qBoJIthis singer sounds severely constipated, but the riffing's great
>>129510249i'd like to go myself, but i can't help but laugh at the idea of all those pensioners rocking out
>>129512374you've got a lot on your plate lol
>>129512563yeah i started creating personal lists with the 1992 chart as that was the first year i really hadn't listened to much before hand. i managed to get to most of those but i still haven't checked out much of what i've written down for 1993. i'm thankful this is a much slower chart than the past few have been, gives me time to catch up.
>>129512447I've gone to every iteration of the festival and while there are a good number of boomers, it's mostly younger (40 and under) people
>>129512076/trad/ is just a refuge from /metal/, it was never really about "traditional metal"
>>129512374>is there any other records
>>129512374My nominations for 1994:Armia - Triodante: https://youtu.be/_J1WCpwgr_4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lfxSIc2JKqShxbcylDrCTRWc0IRL5AMQQBerserkr - The Voice of Our Ancestors: https://youtu.be/9KQL6xPn5HYBound for Glory - The Fight Goes OnDoomstone - Those Whom Satan Hath Joined (surprised you included this as the vocals are quite extreme): https://youtu.be/tLxRitHNjCQDystopia - Human = Garbage (if we're including Sludge which is rather extreme, if you ask me): https://youtu.be/sn34tjvZ1-YGrief - Come to GriefHelloween - Master of the Rings: https://youtu.be/XW-W2gpNmR4Kyuss - Welcome to Sky Valley: https://youtu.be/RxOTKRoPhIoMegadeth - Youthanasia: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lh1QqpKKPrfeggy7VkRoTc6SV3FzfSW9gNarcotic Greed - Fatal: https://youtu.be/xvkfJIJG6cYOHL - Das 7. Zeichen: https://youtu.be/y-NsP4aKVC4Overcast - Expectational Dilution: https://youtu.be/_uRTWFq54SIPenance - Parallel Corners: https://youtu.be/IeFIbT5xe9MPentagram - Be Forewarned: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mDGqnEHViXDHNt0h6ZyTetIHHucitAizQSaber Tiger - Agitation: https://youtu.be/KZbo1li6HFkSkyclad - The Prince of the Poverty Line: https://youtu.be/HcGeSCkFtW0Smut - Blood Smut Tears: https://youtu.be/a6N_0UpooZwThe 3rd and the Mortal - Sorrow: https://youtu.be/pdkukPxGpBIVirgin Steele - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell: Part One: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDqlDnmjhIfN-CehBvrBY6BqrhaXHqLqNRon "Aaron Waters" Wasserman - Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: A Rock Adventure: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj8m-CMbOpe12QKpZeT_W24lfWtKHfCqZMacтep [Master] - Maniac Party: https://youtu.be/0kTcShtljwU
i'd say this is acceptable but i didn't really enjoy it that much. riffs are great but the vocals sound kind of dumb and towards the end it got pretty same-y. not bad, but nothing i'd listen to again.>>129512722yeah i get "are" and "is" mixed up pretty often>>129512768i'm not counting these as actual votes yet but there's a few in here i didn't have written down, thanks
>>129512799Just wait til you hear their 11 other albums
>>129512799filtered.
>>129512768>overcastwe're just going straight silly mode in here, eh?
>>129508085>Phantom Blue - Built to Performthis one is actually pretty cool. seconding
>>129512911That album is pretty thrashy. I'd say it's even more Thrash Metal than it is Metalcore. Overcast is certainly 10x the band either Shadows Fall or Killswitch Engage would be.
>>129512768>Dystopia - Humanrym lists this as sludge with death as a secondary, and from what i heard of the first track i agree. i won't be accepting that one for 1994's.>Doomstone - Those Whom Satan Hath Joined (surprised you included this as the vocals are quite extreme):please don't take my personal list as what i'm going to be voting for/what i won't. they're just albums that i write down while searching MA and RYM.>Overcast>-corenah
Is Dungeon Synth /trad/?
>>129512977it has harsh vocals.
NOT european style power metal, like i initially thought. no, this is heavy/uspm with a shitload of groove (seriously, this album's riffing screams pantera most of the time) and some thrash. didn't need to be an hour long and could've definitely been trimmed of a few songs, but it's still a great listen. seconding. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcQfM4LCpP5o2RgnRao1hGLu4CUkbAR5P
>>129503376https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psajntu-9T4
>>129507955>pizza thrash
>>129513986Make sure to listen to Knowing Just As I too. Both released in '93.
>>129514481i think i'll bounce back to their debut, then go to that record. since i intend to listen to a fair amount of morgana's discography, at least going up to the end of the 90s.
>>129514333It's a derogatory term for modern (ie the last 20 years) thrash bands that ape 80s thrash aesthetics and sing about partying and juvenile humor. I've never seen it applied to an actual 80s band before
>>129514508All their stuff is good, except their self titled, which ironically isn't a real Morgana Lefay album. And they have a few albums released under just Lefay because of some legal bullshit.
>>129514626>All their stuff is good, except their self titled, which ironically isn't a real Morgana Lefay album.ah so a manilla road and twisted sister situation? thanks for the heads up, i'll be skipping it >And they have a few albums released under just Lefay because of some legal bullshit.they any good?
>>129514612I know pizza thrash dude lmao man. I expressed with the meem that Carnivore is clearly not it
we love pizza thrash around herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDwddIzZ2E
Bumping with some old ahh shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9lpYM_p5Rw
>>129512108I wonder if anyone's been brave enough to tell him? Could be a side-effect from his chemotherapy he had a few years back
>>129502594Gonna make a semi-shitpost and nominate virgin steele's life among the ruins for 1993
>>129512374virgin steele's marriage of heaven and hell double album is a must listen in general. not merely in regards to trad metal from that year.Anyways, was it actually released in 1994? or did it come out in 1995.
>>129515994Part one came out in 1994 and part two in 1995.
I'm on my Wasp phase again
>>129515895i'm pretty sure he's aware of it. he wears a beanie a lot more nowadays, and one of his periscope livestreams talked about how he doesn't have much hair lefthttps://www.tiktok.com/@diedeadenough/video/7565562362237930764>I don't have a lot of hair. That's not a lot. It's getting kinda thin.He's also into hair-care. His twitter talks about using Pureology shampoo.https://x.com/DaveMustaine/status/770573803864723457People spend more $$$ on coffee than they do their hair! I've tried just about everything! @PureologyUS is worth it.https://x.com/DaveMustaine/status/783361707053764608I don't. I use @pureology which is the best hair care I've ever used. Try it and see. There are several lines. I use Nano Works. Also Hydrahttps://x.com/DaveMustaine/status/1028473585315262468To be honest Dave, I think it’s good to watch my peers age, wrinkle, and cut or lose their hair. It keeps me humble & grateful, extremely! It makes me work harder. Very few bands made it, back in the day. Sure they’re still together, but the “Dream” never quite happened for them.https://x.com/DaveMustaine/status/767090944743178241Nope. Them thars real red hair!
>>129516201>@PureologyUS is worth it.Because they pay him.
>>129514848It's crazy how both this band and Ultra-Violence from Italy did a complete 180 into boring mallcoreI understand that they got bored of playing 80s thrash, but why ostracize your entire fanbase like that? I mean It's not like they became more unique either, they just started ripping off 2000s metal instead, which arguably has even more imitators. I struggle to even call it a 'sellout', they didn't exactly get a bigger audience either... The top comments on all their new stuff are always about who they used to be, because their thrash is still how most people discovered them. Pretty embarassing tbqh
>>129513091It came from black metal so probably notI like it though
>>129503376https://youtu.be/FawOq5fXUW0?si=ZdDGDfRNEmZu6iw8Still amazed by the vocal performance in this song. His wailing after the solo is incredibly cathartic
anyone itt hear of this? according to rym it's coming out next month.
Who is your favorite lead guitar player and what is your favorite solo?Europe's second lead guitarist Kee Marcello sounds very tasteful despite shredding a lot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWQnwVMwUA
>>129518147>Who is your favorite lead guitar playeruli jon roth>and what is your favorite solo?probably we'll burn the sky but i'm also a big fan of dark lady's, it MAKES that song
>>129518176Uli is indeed legendary, he's more influetial than people are willing to admit and he definitely influenced Malmsteen. I'm still impressed by his soloing in "Sails Of Charon"I'd also mention Mechael Shenker who's quite overlooked and plays very emotionally.
>>129518383>I'd also mention Mechael Shenker who's quite overlooked and plays very emotionally.he's a very melodic player that surely influenced power metal. desert song and rock bottom are two of my all-timers, but i can't name anything else at the moment.
>>129517740>It's crazy how both this band and Ultra-Violence from Italy did a complete 180 into boring mallcoreyeah...i've noticed it's a trend. i think the long and the short of it is aging. you can't stay on top forever. you can't stay getting drunk after midnight forever. looking back at like metallica it's fucking insane that they put out 5 legendary albums before reaching 30.
>>129518422He played some good solos in UFO and formed McAuley Schenker Group in late 80s (successor to MSG). "Save Yourself" is one of his best songs in my opinion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y4MBFDs1u8&list=RD6y4MBFDs1u8&start_radio=1
>>129518147Iommi. Fav solo of his is pretty much impossible but I will say the solo in Keep it Warm is extremely underrated. The pacing is perfect https://youtu.be/I1DZlA5xM5c?t=123
>>129503376https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lmiDt4GQQwIDZZ6eWiy-KRB9yQ-0Re8-U
>>129518147Criss Oliva.It's seriously hard to pick a favorite solo from him, probably tied between He Carves His Stone or Follow Me.https://youtu.be/yGqqFvZWuIM?si=Um7U4kXRLK4CrFmZhttps://youtu.be/OxqQz9hr5yY?si=DXjJ2i3PtxwJ5oHpGone way too soon :(
>>129518821For me its the leads on Die Young
>>129503376YOUR SOUL SLIPPED AWAY-YYYYYYYYIT BELONGS... TO THE QUEEN OF THE REIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICH
>>129511417Accept - Objection Overruled Grave Digger - The ReaperVoivod - The Outer Limits
>>129522214two new additions, yeah we can fill this one for sure
>>129518147don't really have a favorite but one favorite solo that jumps out to me is Metallica's Disposable Heroes. i know Kirk gets a lot of shit for sloppy playing and Wah overuse but i've never once felt disappointed from a solo of his. they all melodically fit for whatever song. also this song has some of James' best riffing. probably the best downpicking in the game. really underrated song on MoP
>>129522692We can just do like last time and add the ones with two votes, right? I think 1994 will be the toughest one, but then it gets easier again from 1995.
>>129522840>We can just do like last time and add the ones with two votes, right? true, but I'd like to avoid that for at least a few more days.
>>129522879what do we have sitting at 2 votes rn?
>>129523441
>>129523448hm... already voted for the first 3. i'll try Thunder Way and Winters Bane again
>>129523462winters bane was great, if there's any 2 vote i want on the chart right now it's that one. >i'll try Thunder Way and Winters Bane againhave fun, i'm gonna head out for the night.
>>129518653Robin McAuley has an amazing voice. I was disappointed when Michael Schenker Group played at Sweden Rock Festival 2024 and had Robin McAuley as a vocalist but didn't play a single McAuley Schenker Group song, despite him having his voice completely intact from the 80s.The only other vocalist who could sing like he could in his prime after reaching such a respectable age other than McAuley is Glenn Hughes. That's how fucking rare that is.Fortunately Robin McAuley is coming to Sweden Rock Festival this year and is calling the tour "My MSG Years" so that will be fantastic.
One of the greatest album covers of all time. If you don't agree, you're wrong and should fuck off.
>>129520133Savatage doesn't feel the same without Oliva and nobody can replace him, but I have to admit that Alex Skolnick and Al Pitrelli did a very good job and they both have jazz backgrounds which puts them a class above most guitarists.https://youtu.be/u4_WVFWaLsQ?list=RDu4_WVFWaLsQ&t=383https://youtu.be/slQLsrS7YFE?list=RDslQLsrS7YFE&t=205>>129522771Well he kinda is, I don't don't like big 4 at all. The only outstanding musician in the big 4 was Chris Poland. He's a primarily jazz fusion guitarist with insane technique and phrasing. I don't understand why people think that Marty was Megadeth's best guitarist who actually sounded like some kid at guitar central compared to Chris who's truly one of a kind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PsJEYU1n08
>>129525854>The only outstanding musician in the big 4 was Chris PolandBeing able to compose great songs is a huge element to being a musician and Dave Mustaine is far better composer than Chris Poland. And no, making jazz wankery or instrumental rock is not good composing. That's just wanking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcoEU0wNGvIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-00sM7ErsI
>>129525854Savatage really is the best band with the worst luck ever.
>>129503376Worked out to this yesterday. Pretty standard sounding heavy metal to me but the singer really sets them apart. He sounds shockingly similar to Layne Staley lol
>>129523448Gotta give one for Coroner here
https://youtu.be/O8bTHId_T-sMe today
>>129525768
>>129527908>truth nukeIs it though?
>>129527652Metallica offered him a spot after KEA but he turned them down
>>1295277875 more slots
>>129527341based blast
adding a vote for Tad Morose
>>129527964Based. Them and Morgana Lefay are among my favorite Swedish bands.
had to do a bit of selecting but this is what i got from the 2 votes, if there's no objections then i'll go finalize it
>>129528132>Included X JapanBased.
>>129528132The only objection I have is Objection Overruled not being there. Do people really not like that album? I think it's one of Accept's best.Other than that, it looks really good. Glad Tad Morose and Morgana Lefay made it.
>>129528132i think metal church should be on there
>>129528652replace thunder way?
>>129528661yeah sure whatever works
>>129528703alright, finalizing it right now
1993's chart is done! we will be starting 1994 in a few hours, so as to give both myself and everyone else ITT a chance to listen to some albums before it begins.
just noticed an orientation fuckup lol, fixed chart will be in next thread's pastebin
>>129528808Quite a lot of "M" bands
>>129528915i noticed that too. just went back and looked at the previous ones and 1983's has a lot of "m" bands, more than this one actuallymanilla roadmanowarmari hamadamercyful fatemetallicamotley cruemotorhead
I have to sleep soon, so here are my 1994 nominations for now.Axel Rudi Pell - Between the WallsBlack Sabbath - Cross PurposesDream Theater - AwakeElegy - SupremacyHelloween - Master of the RingsMercyful Fate - TimeQueensryche - Promised LandRoyal Hunt - Clown in the MirrorRunning Wild - Black Hand InnSkyclad - Prince of the Poverty LineSymphony X - Symphony X (yes, it's good)Virgin Steele - Marriage Part 1
>>129529502This is an automatic inclusion.
>>129529572if the first two songs are representative of the album as the rest, i'm inclined to agree. sole survivor and where the rain grows are REALLY good
>>129527652>He sounds shockingly similar to Layne StaleyYeah, I can kinda hear some similarities on the Alice in Chains glam demos, but otherwise I don't hear it. They both have raspiness in their voices.
>>129529578Maybe a hot take, but this is my least favorite album from the Deris era. First three and last two songs are great, but it drags in the middle.
>>129529926just about done with that album, currently on the final song. i agree that it dragged a bit in the middle, but the worst it got was still good; if a bit generic. definitely has my vote.
1994 starts now, reply to this post with your nominationsElegy - SupremacyHelloween - Master of the RingsPentagram - Be Forewarned
>>129531795Black Sabbath · Cross PurposesGWAR · This Toilet EarthKyuss · Welcome to Sky Valley
>>129531905counted 'em>Kyuss · Welcome to Sky Valleythat's actually my next listen lol, forgot it was a '94 release.
>>129531795Running Wild - Black Hand Inn
groove on this song is reaaaaallly goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av-gUkwzvzk
>>129531795Well, I put in my picks for 1994 here. Dismiss what's too extreme and take what you accept. >>129512768
>>129532057a good majority of them still made it on the list, and your vote for helloween pushes it onto the chart.
shocked i hadn't listened to this sooner, fuckin' awesome album. seconding!
loaded to the breaking point with great riffs and i really like the vocalist. seconding.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kyz4Z_mhIi_t4uQA_Crcmwq51C4Fk_1s8
>>129532110Pantera - Far Beyond DrivenYngwie Malmsteen - Seventh SignMachine Head - Burn My EyesMoahni Moahna - Temple of LifeMötley Crüe - Mötley Crüe>>129529264>Axel Rudi Pell - Between the Walls>Black Sabbath - Cross Purposes>Dream Theater - Awake>Queensryche - Promised Land>Virgin Steele - Marriage Part 1Yes>>129531905>Kyuss · Welcome to Sky ValleyYes>>129512768>Megadeth - Youthanasia>Virgin Steele - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell: Part OneYes
>>129532803>and i really like the vocalistImmediately reminded me of John Garcia from Kyuss and Buzz Osborne from Melvins.
>>129531795Helloween - Master of the RingsMercyful Fate - TimeRunning Wild - Black Hand InnStratovarius - DreamspaceVirgin Steele - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, Part One
>>129525768Catch The Rainbow rips off Little Wing
>>129502589for Sludge/Stoner - /trad/ or /metal/?
>>129535967From the FAQ:>These genres are always welcomed:>Stoner metal
>>129518821This, he is just effortlessly heavy when playing his bluesy riffs, always emulated but never replicated.Here's my favorite solo of his at 5:42https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT09jVPElsk
Watching Wyatt's Metal's newest video, about 12 worst scams in metal.
>>129528808>Melvins>Type O Negative>VoivodI'm sorry to be rude but are you fucking kidding when including stuff that has nothing to do with traditional metal? Bastardized genres like alternative/funk/sludge/grunge/crosssover/punk/gothic are literally the opposite of traditional metal (heavy, speed, power, doom), not to mention that grunge is one the reasons why heavy metal died. Even hard rock and AOR albums would look more appropriate there. There are much more bands to choose from.
>>129518147Iommi as an overallAngus's solos always made me cum in my pants. So I'll go with Angus and Chase the Ace
>>129518821Favourite solo of his and one of my all-time favourites is the solo from Neon Knights in Live eviL.Also what is he holding there????
>>129525854>The only outstanding musician in the big 4 was Chris Poland.Tastes are subjective, but Dan Spitz is equally good, Mustaine too
>>129536781Melvins in particular looks really out of place.
>>129536532That's my favorite song of all time. Not just Sabbath but all music
>>129536764Wyatt is racist. Or at least right wing.
>>129536781melvins and type O negative will be taken off (didn't make the time to listen to this one, a mistake on my part since it's been controversial from the getgo), but voivod is staying. they're a prog metal band and one of the main ones in the genre, if they go, then dream theater and the like have to be removed off previous charts as well, which is not happening.>I'm sorry to be rude but are you fucking kidding when including stuff that has nothing to do with traditional metal? Bastardized genres like alternative/funk/sludge/grunge/crosssover/punk/gothic are literally the opposite of traditional metal (heavy, speed, power, doom), not to mention that grunge is one the reasons why heavy metal died.a valid concern, but let me explain my rationale: thrash has been a mainstay on the yearly charts since 1983's, and that genre is heavy/speed metal with pronounced hardcore punk influence. many heavy metal bands overlap with thrash, and crossover (in my experience) isn't much different from normal thrash structurally. to me with these hybrid genres it's a matter of "how much traditional metal can you hear in this album?" rather than "forbid all of it". >There are much more bands to choose from.this i agree with, but i'm weary of adding 1 votes if i haven't personally listened to the album.
>>129537102based
>>129537191I nominate Accept and Tarot in place of Melvins and Type O
>>129537232you will see the finished chart in the next pastebin
>>129537102Are you trying to get me to watch the video?
The Marriage of Heaven and Hell is 10/10. It's a perfect album.
>>129533371>>129535808votes counted, first row is now filled >Stratovarius - Dreamspaceshit i thought that was 1995, putting it on right now
>>129510915Warlord is touring this spring, can't wait
>>129537396just checked, nothing in the northeast sadly
>>129537191Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying be act like smartass, but if we're talking about traditional metal then it would be better if it wouldn't contain alternative/experimental or pure punk related stuff because such styles are rather deviations and detachment from heavy metal roots. Thrash is okay because it often overlaps with heavy/prog/power.If you have time take a listen, it's actually good stuff. There are some good candidades from that pic, especially:Mystic Force - The Eternal QuestOracle - As Darkness ReignsThe Last Things - Circles and Butterflies Tarot - To Live Forever if you don't mind some weird russian stuff then:Valkyria -Self titled (1993)Not sure if Fight fits because it has groove elements (although Morgana Lefay also has some of it).But it's up to you of course.
>>129537467>Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying be act like smartass, but if we're talking about traditional metal then it would be better if it wouldn't contain alternative/experimental or pure punk related stuff because such styles are rather deviations and detachment from heavy metal roots. Thrash is okay because it often overlaps with heavy/prog/power.i didn't think you came off as a smartass, so you're all good. and yeah, i agree that the charts have been getting a bit loopy, so what i'll end up doing in a bit is go back to the 1991 and 1992 charts and remove a few of the more questionable choices. i WILL however, be keeping alice in chains on 1992's, because to me, the only alternative elements on that album are layne's vocals and a select few songs.>If you have time take a listen, it's actually good stuff. There are some good candidades from that pic, especially:yeah i could probably get to a few of those today. mystic force's album cover looks pretty sick i might spring for that one first.>Not sure if Fight fits because it has groove elements (although Morgana Lefay also has some of it).i'd say groove belongs. at its core it's just slower, more rhythmic thrash. the problem however, is that there's a fair amount of groove that overlaps with industrial and to a lesser extent death and nu.
beginning of this song sounds kinda like ruined street from mega man 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2xmTzDssE
>>129502589bunch of boomer circle jerks diaper metal
>>129512768>Skyclad - The Prince of the Poverty Line>The 3rd and the Mortal - Sorrowsecond
>>129538043skyclad's on there now
goes on a bit too long (did this REALLY need to be over an hour?) but the highs and consistently strong songwriting more than make up for it. seconding.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kBnt76-Tp7brkWrjTHPUh8GEbq1Gn0e90
>>129538141I feel like many of those 90s Stratovarius albums could benefit from losing a song or two, but they're still good overall, so I third this one.
>>129538975stratovarius is on the chart now, and off memory i think i had the same complaint with twilight time, too. if you ask me, magic carpet ride and thin ice should've gotten the axe. they're good songs but a rung or two below the rest of the album.
>>129539021Twilight Time is only 42 minutes, so it's a good length, but it's a bit inconsistent.
>>129537467>>129537616Are you talking about the band that rob halford was in:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_(band)
>>129539132yeah, never listened to any of their albums but i have heard they became more groove-oriented throughout the 90s
Thoughts on this? I'm sure we all like Tears of the Dragon, but is the rest of the album really that bad?
pretty good album, i'll second it.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkROH3Eqs0T_J-mwk7H1zESMfIecGbHPt
>>129537211>>129537260kek, fuck offMY NAME IS LEGIONFOR I AM MANY
>>129503376Good poverty metal, despite some silly lyrics like "Be My Wench". Vocals sounds like less punky Paul Di'Anno and I would say the music is a blend of Iron Maiden and Manowar.
>>129503376>>129543828you should check out the curse next, they go to a more heavier - almost thrashy at points sound on that record
have any of the main thrash acts from later on in the decade ever cited holocaust as an influence? this is probably the thrashiest nwobhm song i've heard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1rK-6ySSng
>>129546162(pre-venom)
>>129503376https://youtu.be/sDkp37QkzwUhttps://youtu.be/28A0ZSI3kJ0https://youtu.be/H4HIE95Sxgw
>>129546162In my personal opinion the version of Shellshock in the Don't Walk Away EP is far "thrashier" and it's also from the same time periodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKCpBRrCCQ
>>129543828Motherfucker, this is an essential epic metal album.>silly lyricsI'm gonna make you my wench tonight.
>>129503376Great compositions brought down by some unfortunate production. "Rey De Reyes" is the absolute stand out of this record.
>>129546880sounds like ace of spades' title track. definitely has a faster tempo than death or glory but i think in terms of riffs that one's more reminiscent of actual thrash.
>>129531795Helmet - BettyNarita - Changes
>>129548177>Helmet - Betty>Alternative Metal, Post-Hardcoregonna say no on this one until i've listened to it but i'll accept narita.
>>129548197it didn't sound any different to me than Meantime which is on the '92 chart
>>129548238fair enough, i'll put it on
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okay so there's only like two songs left. i like what i'm hearing quite a bit, but this has almost nothing to do with traditional metal, even the groove metal on here is very alternative in structure. hard pass on this one, and i'll probably check out meantime soon to see whether that truly belongs on 1992's.
>>129503376i'm honestly shocked nobody nominated this for the 1990 chart. i really enjoyed this, far more than any other groove metal album i've heard before.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI58qmQCEsMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=417oCTbxnf4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PAoRmV6EIAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnTqe7XGwRIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTLx4Bt-qIs
Give me some doom bros, but the fun kind of doom, not the lame epic shit
>>129550031Penance's first two albums but especially check out Parallel CornersPentagram - S/T Pentagram - Day of ReckoningPentagram - Be Forewarned Randy Holden - Population IIRequiem - Via Crucis Saint Vitus' first two albums and Die Healing, then if you like Wino's vocals check out Born Too Late, Mournful Cries and VSleep - Sleep's Holy Mountain Trouble's first three albums and their S/T from 1990, bit of a lighter sound but still very good Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats - Blood Lust Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats - Mind Control
and Cirith Ungol - King of the Dead, forgot this one
very fun stoner metal with consistently good songwriting and riffs up the ass. nominating, and highly recommended if you like kyuss and sleep. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqODNFZwheLkgiQHzM3BswVzFeb0hDryo
>>129517805That's neat and I'll definitely check it out, but low expectations all these years later without the other members.
>>129539360I liked it at the time but yeah it's mostly bad. Cyclops and Tears are the only two that hold up at all.Skunkworks has aged 100x better and I still like it more every time I go back to it.
>>129550008I think I've had this album on different music hard drives since 2007. I think I downloaded that on limewire. But I must've replaced those files with better ones in the past 5-6 years, but I'm not sure. Haven't listened to it since 2007-2008 either.
>>129553190>Haven't listened to it since 2007-2008 either.you should check it out again! side b was in my opinion slightly weaker than the first half, but it was still some damn solid stuff and i had a lot of fun with it. that's also one of the few groove metal albums i've actually enjoyed in full and didn't have any issues with, too.
>>129537335Trvth nvke
https://staind.bandcamp.com/album/tormentedHow much overlap does this have with traditional metal ?Stuff like “Question?” or “No One’s Kind” might be the most ‘traditional’.Some songs seem outright like thrash or groove. I’m thinking they took a lot of inspiration from later pantera.Some definitely aren’t metal at all. “four walls” isn’t even hard rock, it’s too mellow. “The funeral” isn’t even resembling rock, being some kinda twenty minute ambient track.
> Some songs seem outright like thrash or grooveThe song “painful” is an example of what I mean.
Underrated bonus track from Virgin Steele's Marriage of Heaven and Hellhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=2Mx9tKRQNQ8
>>129548689what were the influenced by? obviously they came from post-hardcore/fugazi. but the metal elements? on some songs I'd say it's Sabbath.
>>129556924>but the metal elements? on some songs I'd say it's Sabbath.there was a little sabbath in there, but what i heard the most was a more alternative melvins, some pantera on the more overtly metal songs (which makes sense, i've read that these guys were a core influence on pantera going groove), and alice in chains in a few of the vocal harmonies. though again, i'm not sure if this is a case of helmet influencing them or vice versa.
why do megadeth fans like to shitpost a lot? i look at the megadeth subreddit and i swear there's a lot more shitposts there than many other band subredditswere the megadeth forums like this as well?
>>129557634dave's a weird character that says a bunch of dumb shit so he gets memed, not much else to say
>>129558785does that mean dave can be considered a lolcow?
>>129558837a pseudo-lolcow is how i'd describe him. for all the dumb shit he's said/says, i don't think he's actively targeted by anyone except music journos, and from what i've read it seems like he's finally trying to bury the hatchet with the metallica guys.
how does the Similar Artists score work on MA?
>>129559473i believe it's a vote system. enough people agree to your suggestion, and it's added to the tab.
>>129559473>>129559493I think they are added instantly. Every point is one users vote.
>>129503376great songs, raw mix and the closer is like 10-15bpm away from being full-fledged power metal. good stuff, check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElyxCDVsgJ0
>>129503376https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xyNdpGTtrw
>>129503376nothing too noteworthy until the closer, which is pretty ahead of its time for 1982:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgl15B2kFG0
