Its been a while since the last one,What have you been working on? How have the improvs been going? Post resources, sheet music etc.
Resources>http://www.pianopractice.org/book.pdf>Fundementals Of Piano Practice by Chuan C. Chang>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUyDmNalB0rjP2anw_332rs8-oJMapOMU>LessonsOnTheWeb YouTube ChannelBasic Piano Chords:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y01jIorpeA [Embed] [Embed]Triads>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tbK2jtVRM8 [Embed] [Embed]Seventh chords Part 1>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLhbK9g8yyE [Embed] [Embed]Seventh chords Part 2>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDRWDI-m3w [Embed] [Embed]Extended Chords (9ths, 11ths, 13ths)>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OmqeihOXD4 [Embed] [Embed]Altered chords>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQsxM5LPrwc [Embed] [Embed]Suspended chordsFor composers:>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL341D841389B2FEC7>ArtOfComposing YouTube Playlist "How To Compose Music" (it's a classical approach and good for pianists)Music theory:>https://www.basicmusictheory.com/One of the best sites for everything on chords, keys, scales, and the relationships between them all>https://www.youtube.com/user/RhaptapsodyMichael New's YouTube ChannelNoteshttp://www.sightreadingpractice.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?sight&dpt=s&layout=full&r=w.s/&id=31026325146&cr=188-key weighted-keys pianos under 1,000http://www.kraftmusic.com/digital-pianos-and-keyboards/home-pianos/?bundle_product=No&key_num=88&limit=50&price=1%2C1000For workstastions:Generally, Korg, Roland, Yamaha, or Kurzweil will serve you wellBudget pianos:Used Privias will serve you quite well. Keep suggestingProd on keyboards:http://mu-sic-production.wikia.com/wiki/Vintage_Keyboards
>>129576873How do I unlock his style?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXtcJP_AFUYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14lZ2g_oCxIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I5fqus8HMA
>>129577370gotta get good at polyrhythms
>>129576873I've been depressed because I realized that my hands are small, so I stopped playing piano for about a year... but just a couple days ago I decided that I would learn Ravel's Jeux d'eau. I ordered a couple different copies of the music by different publishers so I can compare and contrast how they chose to edit the sheets -- of course I also got an urtext edition. Once the sheets arrive, I'll start learning it.I have watched a handful of YouTube videos, some with sheet music to get a sense of what I'm getting into and I saw that there is an Emaj 10th in the left hand at times (E, B, G#). I'm just going to assume that everybody rolls that anyway to make it sound watery and try not to stress about not being able to stretch that chord.
>>129577650There are a ton of small women pianists with small hands and they seem to manage it. Learn whatever techniques they are doing or modify the sheet music a little bit if you have to
well piano yes, i bought the CP, the biggest, most tremendous CPjk, its small. but it wets the qts. and i just put my hands over it, it plays itself.>>129577980whoa mama who dis
>>129577980>There are a ton of small women pianists with small handsYeah but those little women cope by rolling chords which changes the sound and feel of a piece.I can't find it right now, but I swear there was a piece by Rautavaara where he wrote explicitly that the chords are not supposed to be broken/rolled.
Are there any good thorough resources to find scanned sheetmusic for piano in terms of classical music?Looking for some stuff for my mother but I have fuck all knowledge of this stuff
>>129576873Voting to call the general /keys/.
>>129578945imslp.org
>>129578945there are hundreds of books out there, just search for whatever playing level shes at
>>129579028Was actually going to name it that but I just went off what it was called in previous threads. If I ever make another I will
how do I get better at rhythm? Im starting to be able to read the music ok but I can't get rhythm down for the life of me
Is 20 too old to start learning
>>129580420Do rythm exercises with a metronome. If you're really bad, maybe get a book with a CD for percussionists / snare drum, etc. and just tap out the rhythm along with the examples.>>129580473No. Never.I plan to start learning violin when I retire in my early 50s.
https://www.midiplus.com/html/X3MINI.htmlMy choice as a keyboard is the X6mini - saves deskspace but feels very sturdy
>do 3 attempts to learn to play the piano/keyboard>quit every time after a month or so>started another attempt>actually got far into the book (alfred's beginner book)>haven't practiced in a monthOh oh, I think this is it. This is attempt 4.I've noticed that I struggle with recognizing certain notes. It's anything below C3 and above E5. Is there a website or smartphone application I can use to speed up training? It's gonna take a lot of time to do it naturally, because such low or high notes don't really appear that much in this book's pieces.
>>129580996As someone who bought a 61 key keyboard to learn on, that's not a great idea. Eventually you will stumble upon something which requires more range and you'll hate not having the extra octaves. Also, at least get a semi-weighted keybed. I can't see if those are semi-weighted, but that's the bare minimum. I sold my 61 key controller and got a full-sized one (88 keys).I actually went to a music store to see how a real piano feels for the first time in my life and the difference is huge. I'm not sure if I like it, but my semi-weighted one feels very different. If I manage to pull through (see this >>129581819), I might consider selling this one and getting a MIDI controller with fully weighted keys. The downside is that the good ones don't have many pads, encoders and levers, but I can just buy a separate MIDI controller for those.
Working on Bach's "Little" Fugue in G Minor on my Hammond. Really wish I had the bass pedals to go with it though
>>129576873Why does this fuckng video appear everywhere?
>>129577980yuja wang was such a whore i'm going to explode
>>129582470huh, its just one of the first pictures that come up when you search piano keys. Didn't know it was from a video
It deserves a bump.
Maybe instead of generals for different instruments we just have a theory general that covers everything from learning music, songwriting, improvising, etc. from an instrument agnostic point of view. If you like this idea I can make the general.
>>129585072I do like that idea but those generals also move pretty slowly
>>129585698i have a lesson every wednesday that gets me interested in talking about theory anyone who is learning anything should just parrot what they learned into the thread
How do I stop my hands from hurting after a session
How often should I play the songs I already know so I don't forget them?
>>129588019I've never been able to hold on to pieces for more than ~6 months after learning all of it. I just get bored of it and can't get myself to play through it anymore.That's life. Always moving forward.
Im 24, is it too late for me to pick up piano?
>>129576873What if we have a piece of the week or month that we learn and post our interpretations?imslp.org pretty much has everything.Or perhaps, if we go with a weekly thing, maybe just a small section or couple phrases of a piece?>>129588155No. 24 is no different from 20.>>129587479Which part of your hands hurts?Are you trying to stretch and hold large intervals?
Is it a waste of time to keep trying to grind out a piece, like is it more efficient to only do x amount of practice a day?
>>129577650Listen, you incredibly retarded faggot. I remember your post from months ago, so I'll tell you the same thing I told you before:Scriabin was a midget with baby hands who could barely stretch a 9th, basically he would only comfortably play octaves, yet he wrote some of the most deranged, transcendental piano music ever composed and then actually played that shit... all while being physically incapable of playing half the shit you're whining about.Giant handspans are a lot like perfect pitch: a cute party trick, occasionally convenient, but totally irrelevant to whether you can play music well. Real musicians roll chords, redistribute voices, pedal intelligently and actually shape rhythm and time. Classical music isn't played with a metronome, it's just practiced that way.The reason you can't play Jeux d'eau has nothing to do with your handspan. It's because you're trying to leap into Ravel before you've even mastered scales or the stuff Mozart wrote when he was still learning to walk. Ravel isn't for people who can't control arpeggios, voicing or basic hand coordination. It's simply too hard for you. Full stop.Go fucking practice the fundamentals. I can't believe you're still stuck in the same place, you mentally deficient fuck.
>>129588776There is diminishing returns for sure. Try breaking your practice into chunks with a few hours at least in between. So lets say you wanted to practice for an hour, try 20 minutes in the morning, 20 mid day and 20 before bed. Something like that. If you do want to practice more, just try to take breaks after 20 to 30 mins. Take a walk, do some pushups, or practice something else for a bit.
>>129588826*are diminishing returnsI started splitting my practice sessions up like this and it seems to have made a big difference in efficiency.
Dont learn theory if you actually want to write good music. Theory drains soul. at MOST learn major chords, minor chords and seventh chords. Stick to the keys of C major and A minor
>>129588873Guitar player?
>>129588921No I play keys, I do triads with my left and play melody with my right. I don't need anything more than that. Everyone Ive played for says im good.
I do play guitar I should mention. Its my main way of expressing myself through music
>>129588873>at MOST learn major chords, minor chords and seventh chords. Stick to the keys of C major and A minorTrue, if you want to make the most boring, derivative, uninspired crap ever.>Dont learn theory if you actually want to write good music. Theory drains soul.Said no classical or jazz composer in history ever.This has to be bait, right? Nobody genuinely thinks like this in 2026, right? Theory = bad is the most midwit position you can have; it's even worse than the theoryfags who obsess over numbers, symbols and graphs.
>>129588930>I do triads with my left and play melody with my right. I don't need anything more than thatI'm sure you don't. Must sound incredibly boring. Do you think you're doing something here?>Everyone Ive played for says im good.They were being nice to you, you fucking retard. You sound very inexperienced. Are you underage? You must be. There's no way.
>>129588953>>129588946This is your brain on theoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPLCk-FTVvwmeanwhile every great artist from the last 80 years doesn't know a lick of theory, most of the great songs were made just dicking around in a garage with friends. This isn't the 1700s were every composer knows how to do some bullshit retrograde counterpart wankery
>>129588975>meanwhile every great artist from the last 80 years doesn't know a lick of theoryA staggeringly idiotic statement. You know there is a spectrum right? Kind of like the one you are on.
>>129588975>This is your brain on theoryNo, that's Jacob Collier who sounds like shit, has shit taste, and is a garbage composer.>meanwhile every great artist from the last 80 years doesn't know a lick of theoryYeah, all those classical and film music composers, jazz composers, popstars, producers, etc. from the last 80 years, most of who went to music schools or had teachers, didn't know a lick of theory. Right.>most of the great songs were made just dicking around in a garage with friendsLet's be honest: most of what you think are great songs are either garbage, or you're basing this faulty theory on retards like Kurt Cobain or The Beatles who liked to brag "they didn't know any theory", even though subconsciously, they clearly knew how analyze music of their predecessors, recognize patterns, and "steal" from it. You know, self-mythologizing is a very, very old shtick. It's much more romantic to pretend you just somehow got inspired out of thin air, than admit you spent thousands of hours listening to music and doodling on your instrument, trying to figure out what was going on. You don't honestly believe this crap, do you? You're not that fucking naive, are you?
>>129590979>the post retarded stancemost*
>>129579199thank you dear
How do I find sheet music if I want to play just one leading voice on a synth that is only capable of playing one note at a time and whatever
I have my eye on 2 more keyboards but not sure if I have the space.
So much retardation ITT, holy shit >>129577650>muh hands are too small There's like 3 classical pieces in total where that's relevant and you definitely can't play them >>129580473It's a hobby no age is too late to start learning. It's a hobby with a near infinite skill scale, so you'll never become great at it >>129581819>training and practicing is hard and boringNo shit retard
>>129593554>>129587479Go to a doctor or learn posture >>129588155See above >>129588776No it's not a waste of time. You can always improve on things in a piece, anyone telling you otherwise is lying. >>129588873>don't learn theoryFuck off retard, basic theory is required to become decent
>>129588873Kek
>>129588873This is the truth, you don't need to learn theory, you just need to grab an instrument and start playing along to music. The Beatles never knew theory, Kurt Cobain, Kevin Shields, Neil Young all definitely didn't know theory. They just followed what they thought sounded good and didn't care if they were breaking some theory rules written 200 years ago by some dead white guy.
Thinking of trying to upgrade from my Casio s360 to a better 88 key digital. Im thinking roland 88ex
My piano is old as shit from the 1800s and the tuning is like 36 cents flat. I wish it wasn't so expensive to get it tuned up and repaired, I could buy a new 88 key for the same price
>>12959401188 key electric piano*
>>129594011I'll pay you 20 bucks for it
Been playing in mean temperament lately and ive been loving it, going back to equal temperament and everything feels out of tune
>>129594425You can find people getting rid of their old pianos for free, its the price of you having to actually move it that is challenging. If you have a few friends and a pick up truck you could probably find one without having to pay anything
Is 26 too late to learn piano
>>129594810No age is too late
@129594834What about me, Im 54 years young and I want to learn how to play Deep Purple on a vintage Hammond I picked up.@129594669Mean temperament sounds a lot like the wife lol.
>>129594810No you'll regret it if you dont start asap though
>>129588820Lmao; it's true, I did post about this a couple months ago.>The reason you can't play Jeux d'eauBruh, I never said I couldn't play it; I said that's the piece that I'm going to focus on learning to get me out of my funk because it doesn't have any large chords that need to be played as a single block.Ravel was a manlet too. That said, I think he intended the Ab major 10th in Oiseaux Triste to be played as a solid chord... I can barely hit that, but I did play that piece years ago.>stuck in the same placeI'm stuck because I haven't touched my piano at all. s m hThe piece that triggered me was Szymanowski's Sheherazade. It changes the feeling when you roll or revoice this chord. It kills me because it's literally right at the edge of my finger tips.>>129593554>There's like 3 classical pieces in total where that's relevant and you definitely can't play themWhich pieces?There is that Rautavaara etude I mentioned...I didn't realize it when I was young and didn't mind rolling/breaking up chords, but Chopin drops a Db major 10th in his 2nd Sonata (funeral march).
>>129595687>Szymanowski's Sheherazade.Meant to post this image.
>>129593824>being so ignorant that you don't realize just how ignorant you are.>>129593914What's wrong with the Casio? I'm a long time Casio user, I personally find Roland pianos to be over priced without any real improvement in sound quality.
>>129595687I'm not the person who yelled at you, but why are you so hung up on these particular pieces. Maybe it's not "only 2" but it's true that there are very few pieces that require this sort of thing, and I've played classical music for decades. 10ths become more common in like blues or jazz, but even that is not a huge deal to work around. The rule when you struggle with a passage is to slow down, maybe you should do that and aim a bit lower until your skill level increases.
>>129595737Not really a huge fan of the sounds after a few years of having it. I would also like a piano that gives me the option to shape the sound a bit.
If you cant do this with your hands you will never be able to be good at pianohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/hW9DHIPrkIQ
>>129595798Fair enough. I stand by my judgment of Roland piano sounds, and my preference for Yamaha, but that's just one person's opinion. Have you tried a Nord Lead? Maybe a bit overkill, but it's popular for performing musicians.
>>129588873I was about to ask. I think I'm at a point where I've "gotten the hang" of piano at a basic level, where I can sort of play a few notes then infer a scale and lock in, or "accidentally" play chord progressions just by intuition, but I still feel limited. At one point I did have a chord dictionary, and I'd go through and drill a chord or two per day, but I feel like that's somewhat inefficient. I do know how to play a few songs that I learned by ear, and the more songs I learn the more interconnected they feel, but there's days where I'll sit down at a keyboard, try to play some notes, and it feels like I just have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. That's why I feel like I need to progress with theory (even if I do already know major, minor, and seventh chords by heart).
>>129596227Theory isn't going to help with that. Real artists can work with any limitations
