Mozart editionhttps://youtu.be/Z8waisRdy5oThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>129568111
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbL1dINOIvo
Jacob is doing an AMA here in two days
Maria Grinberg Recitalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pfR6LgOp-s
Why did so many Russian composers blow up at the turn of the 20th century? I get that they were becoming westernized but that doesn't explain why they suddenly dominated classical music
>>129592169>dominated Lmao They blew up because a ton of them also emigrated to the US, exposing ameriburgers to Russian classical music
I hate that a lot of composers image are based on a photo or painting of them when they were old/sick/dying. Most of their music was written when they were spry young men yet most people think these composers were old farts when they wrote their music.
>>129592169Composers like Surnaminov were virtuosi giants with advanced chromatic harmony and counterpoint. They composed incredibly complex music for the most sophisticated population. When it comes to Russian music, it's a hard binary: you either love it or you lack taste.
>>129592169They had centuries of Russian folk and other local music to draw from so it was unique and exotic at the time to most western listeners. They also took piano seriously
>>129592330most composers' best music was written at the end of their life you retard
>>129592335there's no surer sign that you lack taste than liking Russian music, with it's cheesy use of oriental scales and folk-like tunes. it is a lot like Chopin in the sense that the people who like it most likely also enjoy anime soundtrack music
>>129592671>with it's>it'sStopped reading right there, you're a subhuman.
>>129592647Thats not true at all, hardly anything wrote anything good past their 30s.
>>129592671>it's cheesyYou know "it's" means "it is" right. Let me guess, you are a self hating Russian
>>129592330>>129593045Chopin died in his 30's and composed his greatest pieces in his 30's.Late Beethoven is best Beethoven.Late Mendelssohn is best Mendelssohn.So yes, pretty much every single composer got better with time, and would get even better had they lived longed. Your pic is also strange in this context, 30's is young, and Daguerreotype wasn't yet invented when Chopin was even younger.
>>129592982>>129593071>anglophones think their language deserves scrutiny and respect when writingget a grip. we real humans already have to lower ourselves down to your level by writing in English. know your place.
>>129593127>we real humansYou're a subhuman, as stated a moment ago.
>>129593125The point with the Chopin picture is that it was taken when he was sickly and near death which is my complaint. Peoples image of him is influenced by that photo instead of when he was youthful and vigorous like his music
>>129593185Wasn't he just kind of a sickly guy in general
>>129593185He was sick long before the picture was taken and there was likely no way to take it before. I like the pic.
>>129593155an anglophone trying to determine who is or isn't human is the most ironic thing ever lol
>>129593774I'm not an anglophone, you're a subhuman.
>>129593818oh then you just enjoy russian classical, which is even more embarassing
>>129592330But the chops best work was when he was older
>>129593842Nothing is more embarrassing than a tasteless subhuman I'm replying to atm.
>>129592335that image kek
If you don't enjoy Russian classical, you don't have a heart. If you don't enjoy Korsakov's Scheherazade, you might not even be human.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUuL-Fg0Wk
>>129594102real music doesn't feed the heart, it feeds the brain
>>129594119While you need music that does that too, it doesn't mean you should neglect the heart. Enjoy Bach, enjoy Tchaikovsky; enjoy Mozart, enjoy Rachmaninoff; enjoy Schubert, enjoy Rimsky-Korsakov. You must nourish it all.
Real music has never been tried.
>>129594270This. Music absolutely fucking sucks.
>Real music has never been tri--ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F54z2VUhXDc&list=OLAK5uy_k-anSLRHlzPFER16Uq2S9p0D3Oi_mVG-c&index=6
buh-llini!
Wow the Chopin Preludes are the peak of keyboard music
>>129594709Their only flaw is it's too short.
>>129594782he's just like me fr fr
>>129594709>t. Never listened to a ballade or nocturnehttps://youtu.be/107Iwx5RKSM
>>129594782https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0jZTm1JAQp8
>>129593125>Late Mendelssohn is best Mendelssohn.This is one of the few exceptions where his earlier music was undoubtedly more inspired. He never composed anything as good as the Hebrides overture again.
>>129594853i generally agree, but he does have a few very strong gems in his late period, such as his final string quartet and the violin concertothe final string quartet is just about the most heart wrenching, dramatic sq every written https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvM1UIZ1-fU&list=RDBvM1UIZ1-fU&start_radio=1
>>129594853I think both his last two symphonies (i.e. the ones numbered 2 & 3) are some of his greatest work, not to mention his oratorios. And this too >>129594890
>>129594905>>129594890>>129594853Elijah and St Paul are his masterpieces. They're the romantic equivalent of Bach's SMP and SJP, yet they remain relatively overlooked.
>Otello Act 2 vengeance duet >Gotterdammerung Act 2 vengeance quartet I guess my favorite parts in opera are the ones where they yell about killing each other
>>129595081Is it your favorite including and because of the plot, or solely because of the music and they just happen to have the same plot?
yeah, Verdi's Don Carlo(s) is a masterpiecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZQ6wGetKJI&list=OLAK5uy_nFNr975WM6tjtFZz5ig65FurncQN38Rlc&index=14
>>129594796I prefer 48 2
listen to Karajanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxOyY1SAdw
>>129595081uh, Götterdämmerung has a vengeance trio...
For tonight's opera performance, we listen to Strauss' Die Frau ohne Schatten conducted by Sir Georg Soltihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPOySNgjlJ8&list=OLAK5uy_nkuKqzc20HIH20-LP3qn0X46uI_wdeWJA&index=1
thinking of buying a theorbo lads. abt 4,000 usd all told and shipped. good idea or nah? ive been playing double bass for ten years and i want to pick up a second instrument, also continuo. am in college playing in the jazz band and recorder consort ive been learning guitar and it's reasonably entertaining, so i think a lot of the skills will transfer overso, /mu/, am i retarded for wanting to drop 4k on a theorbo?
I feel like every Lohengrin recording I've tried so far has been really good. There's even a couple acclaimed ones by conductors I haven't seen before, which for Wagner is rare: who the hell are Woldemar Nelsson and Lovro von Matačić? In any case, it seems to be a work that's spoiled by a surfeit of wonderful recordings.
>>129592330I mean, the well known painting of beethiven was drawn when he wrote his missa solemnis (even holding it in the painting), his late quartets and his 9th. I'd say that painting is a good representation of beethoven at his peak
