Do you think we've turned the corner on having to virtue signal about black artists being so awesome and better than white musicians?
>>129657176Faggot
>>129657176I hope so>>129657194N
>>129657176No. The industry will die on the hill of giving jobs to criminal niggers.
Another timmy cope thread
>>129657176Name 50 better albums than Miseducation written and recorded by white chicks
>>129660175You'll glaze any dumb bitch doing a Billie Holiday put on. Piss off with your idol worship nigger.
>>129657176That album is shallow garbage.
>>129660191So 0 albums written and recorded by white chicks better than Miseducation?
>>129660175I thought everybody agreed that they hired a band to actually make up the songs and had famous actress/singer ho come in to be the pretend genius behind it to make it a mega-seller.
i think black people made a huge mistake putting all their eggs in the hip hop basket. music got whittled down to pop and pop rap. but what happens when rap dies?will black people become irrelevant in music?
>>129657176She didn't even write the music beyond the vocal parts. There were at least half a dozen uncredited musicians who arranged her songs for her. Robert Glasper has talked about it a few times.
>>129661894black people have pioneered every new trend and development in popular music for over a century. they'll adapt. fuck timmy gon do?
>>129661995nothing new has been made for years, its over for blackcels
Academic elites worship blacks and black culture.When jazz first became a thing the masses of Americans hated it and saw it as degenerate, but the high end literati loved it and promoted it to no end.Starting in the 1940s the CIA launched the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a think-tank designed to channel funds into the anti-Soviet left. They funded intellectuals, musicians and artists who appeared "leftist" but were actually anti-Marxist and anti-proletarian. This included propping up hideous and meaningless modern "art" as a means of alienating the working-class from the arts and ensuring art could only be appreciated by pompous cultured elites.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD49vdreggw There is zero doubt in my mind the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hop for this exact same reason. Hip hop is primarily an anti-working class genre of "music," made by the black lumpenproletariat AKA the criminal underclass. Marx pointed out how the lumpen are an adversary of the genuine working-class, used by the elite classes to offset class struggle. The lumpen in no way threaten the power of cultured elites, hence why they use the lumpen as a substitute revolutionary subject. The Ivory Tower loves and pushes hip hop for this exact reason. The genre is anti-worker, ugly, distorted, chaotic and promotes lumpen and elitist Nietzschean values (Kendrick Lamar is a good example of this).Meanwhile China (a socialist nation) bans rap and gets its school children learning real music, namely classical. They don’t get kids to rap or give them MPCs to learn how to “sample” but give them actual instruments. That’s because real socialism isn’t about romanticizing the gutter but about advancing humanity.
>>129660175Billie Eilish’s entire discography.
>>129662073it's mostly just jews who worship blacks
>>129661122Exile in guyville is more fun
>>129661995They havent innovated anything in over 30 years
>>129664731Good rap existed until about 2005 so you're not far offNot saying it was all good or even that the most popular stuff was good
>>129657176If this album was by Taylor Swift or some ugly Korean bitches, you'd all be fellating it like it's the second coming.
>>129660175 Madonna debutAdele 21Those two mog this dei shit
>>129660175Enya has at least 3 albums better than any Lauryn Hill associated project. This makes sense when you realize her and the Fugees stole (yes stole, look it up) from an Enya song.
>>129660175All landfill indie
C'mon now Hendrix, MJ, Prince, Little Richard and Bob Marley are all fantastic artists that I would put over most white artists. Chicks like Lauryn Hill and Beyonce are way overrated though.
>>129660175Lauryn Hill didn't write Miseducation. She wrote the lyrics to Miseducation. The New Ark collective wrote the actual music:https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-dec-19-ca-55439-story.htmlLauryn didn't wanna have to credit them so she could claim all the glory for herself. They sued her for this, she settled out of court, and abandoned recording new albums thereafter. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lauryn-hill-settles-lawsuit-251366/Aside from her unplugged album, which she really *did* do all by herself, and which bombed, because Lauryn Hill is not a real musician:https://youtu.be/FcCS_jFJCc0
>>129664724Exile at least actually had its music written by Liz Phair:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_in_GuyvilleAnd when she did go on to work with collaborators, she didn't try to stiff them for credits so she could claim all the money and accolades* for herself:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Phair_(album)* Assuming there'd been any accolades, since her self-titled album was torn to pieces by critics appaled that a thirty-six-year-old indy-rock-darling single mother wanted to be Avril Lavigne.
>>129660175Joanna Newsomjulia HolterKate BushPJ HarveyBjorkNico
>>129668970>>129669018Damn, so she was basically a fraud
I just learned that Taylor Swift has $200 in her bank account and Lauryn Hill is a billionaire, thanks for the info
>>129657176if we withdraw our patronage, there will be rioting. just pretend that you love the slop.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg&pp=0gcJCcUKAYcqIYzv
>>129657176God I hope so.
>>129666252I agree there's plenty of amazing black musicians but I think OP is talking about the idea that any music with a black musician is inherently better as a way of virtue signaling. So mediocre trash black musicians are propped up for dei reasons and it prevents actual good music from being heard. I don't listen to stuff like Lauryn Hill so I can't comment on that.
>>129669035Pretty much. They've buried this on her wiki page as a subsection of "Recording and Production", and of course Lauryn blamed the label for "wanting to do the Prince thing":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miseducation_of_Lauryn_Hillhttps://www.complex.com/music/a/markelibert/the-story-behind-lauryn-hills-chaotic-post-miseducation-ofWhich is so obvious a lie it almost doesn't need refutation, since said label was Columbia, which also released Thriller in the 1980s, and they had no problem crediting Quincy Jones for his work there:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)
dont care. Germans made the best genre of music (electronic) and that’s all that matters.
>>129669248It's a fine record, but Lauryn Hill is an egotistical dipshit. Not a once-in-a-generation musical genius like Prince. She's not even a Liz Phair. And she did what she did solely for money and personal accolades, hoping her collaborators would be easy enough for her to bully out of the money and glory *they* earned by their work, because *she* was a star and *they* weren't.
>>129660175Horses, Radio Ethiopia, Easter, Wave, Chelsea Girl, The Marble Index, Desertshore, The End, Debut, Post, Homogenic, Vespertine, The Kick Inside, Lionheart, Never for Ever, The Dreaming, Hounds of Love, The Sensual World, The Red Shoes, Aerial, Tidal, When The Pawn, Extraordinary Machine, The Idler Wheel, Fetch the Bolt Cutters, Clouds, Ladies of the Canyon, Blue, For the Roses, Court and Spark, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, Hejira, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, The Milk-Eyed Mender, Ys, Have One on Me, Divers, The Outside Room, Front Row Seat to Earth, Titanic Rising, And in the Darkness Hearts Aglow, Grouper, Way Their Crept, Wide, Cover the Windows and the Walls, Dragging a Dead Deer up a Hill, Alien Observer, Dream Loss, The Man Who Died in his Boat, Ruins, Grid of Points, Shade, LUSH, Retired From Sad New Career in Business, Bury Me at Makeout Creek, Puberty 2, Be the Cowboy, Laurel Hell, The Land is Inhospitable And So Are We, Nothing's About To Happen To Me, Dry, Rid of Me, To Bring You My Love, Is This Desire?, Stories From The City Stories From The Sea, the list goes on..
>>129657176no not at all. the woke stuff has chilled a little but is still dormant and strong in many people, ready to come back in full force in 2028
>>129657176lots of great black musicians obviously but OP's album has got to be the most over-rated album everi went back and listened to it last summer and it is good to mid. 100 better albums by black women
>>129668970>Lauryn didn't wanna have to credit them so she could claim all the glory for herself.IIRC, it was Columbia's fault originally because they wanted to promote her as the next Prince instead of the pop star that she actually was. That being said, her idea to not bother keeping track of who was doing what in the studio because "we're all family here" was still retarded and destined to end in a lawsuit. I actually think she was delusional enough to believe that shit, and it's part of what contributed to her mental breakdown since she felt betrayed when they inevitably sued her for credit.
>>129670156Because normies are dumb fucks
>>129660175i hate race-baiting but you just seem not to know much about music so I'll help.This should be about 50, hit line limitGlenn Gould – Bach: The Goldberg Variations Beatles - Abbey RoadHerbert von Karajan – Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IVHilary Hahn - Hilary Hahn Plays Bach Steely Dan - AjaBaltimore Symphony Orchestra and Hilary Hahn - Beethoven Violin Concerto / Bernstein Serenade Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the MoonWilhelm Furtwängler – Beethoven: Symphony No. 5 Kate Bush - Hounds of LoveKarl Böhm, Fritz Wunderlich, Evelyn Lear and Hans Hotter -Mozart’s Die Zauberflöte Boston - BostonTord Gustavsen Quartet – The WellNeil Young - Harvest MoonTalking Heads - Remain in LightPhilip Glass – Glassworks Led Zeppelin - IIPrefab Sprout - Steve McQueenKronos Quartet – Black Angels RIAS Kammerchor, Akademie für Alte Musik Berlin, Philippe Herreweghe - Christmas OratorioThe Rolling Stones - Exile On Main StBeach Boys - Pet SoundsTerje Rypdal – WavesDavid Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From MarsDaniel Herskedal – Slow Eastbound TrainNils Petter Molvær – KhmersJan Johansson – Jazz på SvenskaThe Beatles - RevolverEsbjörn Svensson Trio (E.S.T.) – From Gagarin's Point of ViewSmashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream Alice In Chains - DirtRichard & Linda Thompson - Shoot Out the LightsThe Stone Roses - The Stone RosesNirvana – Nevermind The Beatles - Sgt Pepper'sRadiohead – OK Computer Jan Garbarek Group – It’s OK to Listen to the Gray VoiceU2 – WarPearl Jam – Ten Nirvana – In Utero Beck – OdelayPavement – Crooked Rain, Crooked RainThe Clash - London CallingHilary Hahn - Schoenberg: Violin Concerto; Sibelius: Violin ConcertoU2 - The Joshua TreePaul Simon - Graceland Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run René Jacobs, Akademie für Alte Musik Berlin, RIAS Kammerchor - St. John's Passion The Velvet Underground & Nico - self-titled
>>129670601He said written and recorded by white women
>>129670615bro put in all that effort just to fail the request lol
>>129670250>IIRC, it was Columbia's fault originally because they wanted to promote her as the next Prince instead of the pop star that she actually was.This was yet another of Lauryn's lies, and it's so obvious it almost shouldn't even need to ve debunked. Colombia was also the label that put out Thriller, and they had no problem crediting Quincy Jones as producer back in the '80s rather than pretend Michael did it all by himself. Sure didn't hurt sales nor critical acclaim there.
>>129670615>>129670770hahaha ya i fucked up OK, the best albums from these femalesKate BushAvril LavigneMary Margaret O'HaraKaryn EllisBjork Joanna NewsomPJ HarveyFiona AppleLucinda WilliamJewelSiaShirley EikhardCarly Rae JepsenChantal KreviazukJoni MitchellMadonnaJaon ArmatradingPatti SmithRickie Lee JonesLana del ReyCat PowerSleater-KinneyTracey ChapmanKirsty MacCollChristine McVieJudee SillAbbey LincolnLisa LoebDolly PartonNathalie MerchantAnne WilsonCourtney LoveIngrid MichaelsonLady GagaBobbie Gentryloretta LynnVanessa CarletonMelissa EtheridgeCarol KingAlanis Morissettealso: screencap rollin' for your ladies
>>129662073Rawkus Records was CIA.https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVtpd1pjXpX/
>>129670250>her idea to not bother keeping track of who was doing what in the studionaw, this is bullshit.it wasn't 1905, there were and are industry standardsthe producer was likely keeping track of all the contributionssongwriting percentages have to be submitted to ASCAP and BMI when you claim royalties, you can't just make shit up or say you forgot, this shit is negotiatedthe music industry is full of dishonest leeches, and all this shit has been tried before but the law is robust and there's tons of legal precedent for every variation in these cases.
>>129664778when's the last time you sat down and listened to it?yeah. thought so. that's how good it is: not bad but far from the DSOTM/Hejira/Sketches of Spain/Abbey Road that certain people need to pretend it is.
>>129662073>>129672149>the CIA has been behind the rise of hip hopnot just the rise, but the direction it took. before NWA it had been fun, creative (Beasties, Del, Digable, loads of others) or socially concerned like PE, but then came NWA and suddenly everything became very one-note: "gangsta" and nothing else. Drake and his moody and/or introspective stuff was the only change in like 25+ years
>>129672283It never stopped. DJ Jazzy Jeff and Biz Markee released Homebase just two years after Straight Outta Compton.
>>129672344*Fresh Prince, sorry. Biz Markee actually dropped the album he put "Just a Friend" on later that same year as Straight Outta Compton.
