friendly reminder that most modern music exists thanks to black people. pop, rock, jazz, rap/hip-hop, r&b, blues, reggae, etc. everything was created by black musicians. even genres like metal, house and techno that don't immediately sound "black" have their roots in black music.then what is "white music"? it's either boomer shit like classical and pre-50s pop (like frank sinatra), or really lame ass ones like most country music and fucking ABBA.
>>129663747Stop baitingWe Wuz Bethoveenz n Shieetz
>>129663772i'm not saying that tho. classical is pure white music and that's why it's dead now.only boomers and some incels listen to classical music.
>>129663747If you're going to be that reductive, everything is "black" because we were all swinging in trees 300,000 years ago
>>129663747If i had to choose the past 130 years of musicOr the past 700 years of classical music before it I'd choose the classical. Im learning piano theory and music was in fact more rich and varied in classical because it encompasses so many eras and trends of music.I think black pipo would have never got gud if the rare higher IQ among them never got classically trained thus giving an origin to Jazz. Only skilled theory niggas came up with it.
>>129663747>boomer shit like classical>classical>boomerLol you are a complete fucking moron. Go back to school child
>>129663792>doesnt know NeoClassical existsNigga you must play Video Games blacks like video games. Its full of Classical music even babygames like Donkey Kong have well known NeoClassical compositions. Listen to Aquatic Ambiance.Classical is still relevant. If you are a pianofag it will forever be relevant. In fact that instrument will never go out of fashion not even with AI and guess what white Italians invented it.
>>129663792Look at all the people that got super defensive at chalemet for saying opera and ballet is outdated and no one gives a fuck about it anymore. It shows only complete pieces of shit dumb low iq normies dont "care" about it because theyre doing what youre doing. Too busy sucking black cock
>>129663747what..? my music is... blacked? no, this can't be... what? w-why?
>>129663890A fuck ton of people in Italy give a fuck about Opera lol.Andrea Bocheli and Pavaroti are huge legends there.You wish you had the voice range of those niggas. Its beautiful how they sustain notes and make the whole room shake.
>>129663913Bocceli makes pop music and Pavarotti is dead.
>WE WUZ ROCK AND ROLL >proceeds to immediately disown it as a culture
Funny how popular music is worse than ever now that blacks have free rein to do anything they want.
>>129663747Niggers didnt invent DnB
>>129664171DnB wouldn't have been born without the black DJs of Chicago, Detroit, etc.
>>129663747>the original hound dogyou can say that again!
>>129663747I mean in BMT's day only blacks even knew about her or heard her records. The best you could hope for as an average white kid was some cheese-ass white pop cover of the stuff like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls5Af3dZ9zE
>>129663747I dont like this kind of Music, it Sounds dirty, id rather Listen to real White Musik like Balkan turbo folk or nightcore
the original Hound Dog was pretty raw but it would definitely be pretty inaccessible to white listeners especially by the standards of what they were used to in the 50s
>>129664648She's kind of like Howlin' Wolf, the voice is a little much for many people. There were even then many black singers who had smoother, more accessible singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Fuesi8VcINow Roy Hamilton, sure no problem listening to him and he was on Columbia. A lot of the blues shit was too advanced for the average white 50s NPC though.
>>129664680I would think he is white just by melody and singing alone thats how much black music has fallen
>>129663950>(You) will never have this voice range or hold notes this longhttps://youtu.be/cWc7vYjgnTs?si=nkWBVc702X0_R3PV&t=157
Opera is based and im tired of pretending it's not:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNHL66K8S2I
>>129663747Beto invented Jazz:https://youtu.be/zuv-JjQyipk?si=UzGzqqxssWB1z8zB&t=34
>>129664680the Platters specialized in it, smooth operatic singing and their catalog was heavily comprised of standards covers
>>129664171I hate to break it to you anon but probably more than half of the pioneers of drum and bass were either black or mixed race white/black.
>>129663747hope they see this bro
>>129664433>>129663747Jeets invented House music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4RYBpwV0A
>>129663747nigga white invent electronic music they creat the most popular and influence music genre for modern music. You are jap fucking dumb shit. People who write the fucking hound dog songs is fucking white people. You dumb fucking shit.
>>129665341white invent electronic music you cannot have any shit electronic music without white.
>>129665360no it's not true white creat electronic music.
>>129663747IT'S OVER FOR YOU WHITE CREAT JAZZ HA HA BLACK IS SHIT WITHOU WHITE.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-AuBcmASA&list=RDPz-AuBcmASA&start_radio=1
>>129663747https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbijQx8cLc&si=aeT81plx2kfV7iFF
>>129663747big moma is fucking awesomefacts.
>>129664931That wasn't a knock on Pavarotti. He's just well... Dead.
>>129663792>classical is pure white musicnope.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges
>>129666654>literal whothats like emoinem
>>129663747No black person in the 50s saw Chuck Berry and Little Richard, they had predominantly white audiences and were seen as sellouts. Black people abandoned rock n roll.
>>129664433>DnB wouldn't have been born without the black DJs of Chicago, Detroit, etc.Kraftwerk came before them
>>129663747leaving aside the long term fact that all Western pop music is based on white instruments and music theoryand focusing on what were the immediate musical roots of the explosion of the rock/pop music industry of mid 60's onward, black r and b played a major role. but it wasn't until white folk melody and harmony (of which blacks played little to no role) were introduced onto the r and b backbeat did the music industry truly explode.tutti fruity is a fun song, but it doesn't have the haunting feel of folk rock standards like California Dreaming.
>>129665021>NOoooooOO It behooves one to recall that our lineage functioned as the primordial fountainhead for the culture desideratum, punctuated—most indubitably—by an array of ancillary civilizational apexes of a similarly unimpeachable vintage n sheet
Who gives a shit whether they created it or not when they completely abandoned it. Sure, blacks created blues but I'll fucking bet you ask any today to name a couple of blues guys they won't know any and if you play them some Hendrix, they'll say it's wypipo music.
>>129666975https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/113060391/#q113067652I recognize this pasta.
>To me, this feels like virtue rewarded. I always considered my struggle with black music awkwardly moralistic, the white guilt trip, but as usual the real issue turned out to be aesthetic. To be blunt, black music is better. The apparent strength of white music in whatever present always seems to deteriorate. Stephen Collins Foster preferred his sentimental ballads to his "Ethiopian songs," and Paul Whiteman thought that he was doing the Muse a favor by whitening the "discordant jazz, which sprang into existence . . . from nowhere in particular," but we remember "My Old Kentucky Home," not "Poor Drooping Maiden," and listen to King Oliver while relegating Whiteman's music to the gramophone museum.>This time, though it really seemed as if we'd escaped fate. Only a year ago, the white rock fan who dismissed what was judiciously referred to as "the soul sounds"--as if only a stylistic preference, not a race or a culture, was involved--had some credible arguments. We know the wheezing pop of the early '50s was cured by that shot of rhythm-and-blues because R&B was realistic instead of sentimental, idiosyncratic instead of mass-produced, free of show biz nonsense, and rooted in a genuine community. But by the late '60s it was soul music, which was to R&B and gospel what black power was to civil rights, that seemed unrealistic, artificial and showy, although the paradox was that it sounded worst when it tried to assimilate white modes. The excesses of the soul myth proved that black people were far from immune to the pretentious floundering that so often accompanies new consciousness.>In contrast the best white music--not that déclassé AM bubblegum, but what was then called underground even though it was the staple of an entire industry--was the voice of a youth subculture that had reached full flower after a dozen years of nurture. It was vital, sensual and real, and not only that, it boogied.
>jazzThe first jazz recording, and the first group to actually refer to their music as jazz specifically as a genre was the Original Dixieland Jass Band, whom were entirely white. Prior to this point, Jass was an adjective that didn't really refer to a type of music in particular>b-b-but Buddy Bolden created jazzEven if this is true, no earlier recording of Buddy Bolden existed and he certainly didn't call his music jazz. Regardless, the earliest thing allegedly resembling jazz was Jack Laine's Reliance Brass Band; Jack Laine's a white man, his band predates Buddy Bolden, and multiple verified early jazz musicians (both black jazz and white jazz) had their beginnings in the Reliance Brass Band>blues/rockYou can quite easily find similarities between African-American slave music/early blues music with the with folk music in Great Britain and Ireland. Irish folk music already heavily used "blues notes" (referred to long notes/bent notes) centuries before African-Americans did. There's old Scottish/Irish folk songs with the basic verse chorus structure of blues/rock music played with acoustic guitar and frame drums to keep a rhythm.>house/techno/whateverElectronic music is entirely a white invention with its roots in France and Germany.>popEdgard Varese, a French composer largely attributed as the father of electronic music, went to America in the 1920s/30s and under his observation, he noted that "popular negro music" was not even written by the "negros" at all, they couldn't write music, and nearly every popular song written by "negroes" was ghost-written by Jewish people.>rap/hiphopYou can have that, I'm not going to pretend that you stole it from whites, but every fucking culture across the planet had something resembling rap. Northern Europeans (English, Scotts, and Danish) had flyting, which were medieval rap battles where two people essentially insulted eachother with poetry set to rhythms (usually stomping and clamping)
>>129663747>>129668686The racist term "Jigaboo" quite literally originated in the 19th century because blacks in ghettos were copying lower-class/poor Irishmen in America and dancing and performing Irish jigs.
>>129663747>>129668686>>129668704Not even black gospel music is really African-American in origin.WIllie Ruff, a black jazz musician himself and yale professor, claims to have found that the true origin of black gospel music and the "call and response" format that defines black gospel music actually originated with Scottish Presbyterian hymns in the 1600s.
>>129668686>>129668704>>129668770DELETE THIS
>>129668608he's trying to argue that black music is realist and white music lends itself to fantasy. though to me it seems more an argument that blacks don't have the imagination for stuff like prog rock.
>>129663747Modern music is retarded and sucks, so you're not exactly proving something good here.
compare these two. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHDrzw-RPghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-aK6JnyFmkpost-hippy rock bands tried to sound way more like the weird droning melodies of the latter (with maybe the over-earnestness of it subtracted out) than the stomping shout stuff (with very limited harmonic variation) of the former.the latter is almost exclusively derived from the white folk music of the 40's and 50's.
>>129669895>>129668608It was always apparent that Cuckgau very clearly believed in the latter and that it was supposed to kill off the former.
>>129668704Hold the fucking phoneIf jigaboo meant blacks copying and aping irish music, does that mean that the word weeaboo, whites copying japanese people, was derived from jigaboo?
electronic is a white mans genre cope seethe chimpout etc
>>129669895also, I just noticed this when I linked to it.the big mama thornton track completely screws up the the vocal rhythm of this totally basic song.I still like her rough vocal style, but how can a professional musician miss her 'start singing' cue by a half second at least twice in the first 15 seconds of the song?
>>129670029Pretty sure they're unrelated and it's just a hilarious coincidence, since before jigaboo there was already bugaboo.But modern history books on African Americans post-slavery in the 1800s really, really understate and underplay how significant irish-american culture shaped african-american culture at the time, who fundamentally had to restart their culture from scratch and stuff passed down orally. Irish-Americans and African-americans occupied the same ghettos at the time. A huge chunk of the vernacular associated with blues and jazz are gaelic loanwords, including the word jazz itself.A lot of things commonly associated with black music in the 1800s and at the turn of the 20th century was already documented in Irish-American music and Irish folk music, or at least had a precursor in Irish-American/Irish folk music
>>129664604https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWszWEQyuy0Here is the Lula Reed version.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQkjJ5-XfEEAnd the Fontane Sisters one.Lula's version in typical R&B style has that strong four on the floor beat and of course the more shrill singing while the Fontanes and the Teresa Brewer covers are in typical white pop style smoother (although Brewer could more than rival Reed for shrill vocals) and there's not much of a beat.
>>129663747what happened to black people that they haven't made anything new in ten years? where's muh next genre to steal
>>129663747She told an extremely graphic account of Johnny Ace's death.
>>129670169Can’t find anything when I’m looking for her statement, what did she say?
>>129663747>rootsVague, unverifiable nonsense. Music doesn't exist in a vacuum. In any case, Western classical is better than everything else, but whites also invented electronic and metal, so there's your variety.
>>129670531yeah white invent electric music. They jelous white.
>>129668770EVERYONE WITH KNOWLEDGE WILL KNOW THAT IT NEVER HAVE THAT AFRICAN MUSIC WILL NEVER HAVE THAT COMPLEX WITHOUT WHITE MUSIC INFLUENCE. ONLY SUBHUMAN WHITE KEK OR KANZ THINK OTHERWISE.
>>129670245what do you think happens when a guy shoots himself in the side of the head a few feet from you? you'll never erase that sight from your retinas.
>>129670531>metalIt’s basically fast rhythm and blues with Jimi Hendrix guitar. The only thing that makes it "white" is the performers.>electronicIt was created by black DJs in Chicago and Detroit.
>>129663747Black culture comes from Scottish and Acadian people
>>129675000>The only thing that makes it "white" is the performers.Can't the same be said of black music then
>>129675000>It was created by black DJs in Chicago and Detroit.cope google evolution of electronic music before opening your mouth.
>>129675300You could say that if black people were performing classical music, but black genres like hip-hop, soul, R&B, reggae, etc. were created by black people themselves
>>129675387electronic is white music root.
>>129675387not fucking black in this shit.
>>129675387https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphlVeJX6fE&list=PLLfNLvr7tG342mAo8LTjjpfZyDOdZV37S THIS IS PURE WHITE MUSIC METAL AS FUCK YOU DUMB SUBHUMAN
>>129675412cope timmy, cope.but if you really think that music came about without black people, you’ve got no brain. if rhythm and blues hadn’t existed and we were still playing music like chopin or sinatra, metal would never have been born.the rock sound of metal was born out of rhythm and blues. The hard-hitting guitar sound of metal was born out of electric blues and jimi hendrix.
100% real and straight no lies told
There are stories that Lieber and Stoller didn't write Hound Dog and that they cheated BMT out of it and songwriting royalties; after all, the song does seem a lot more like her songwriting style than theirs.
>>129675432nigga you need to hear waltz. White have rythm you subhuman nigga.
truce whites get half of all music and blacks get the other half problem solved
>>129675432the hound dog songs is writing by white nigga you fucking dumb subhuman.
>>129675444cope like your fucking fba we wuz native and shit.
>>129675458>whites have rhythm, it's not black invention!!!1!i said "rhythm and blues", not rhythm AND blues you dumbfuck
>>129675601nigga please Link Wray ("Rumble," 1958), this is first power rif guitar in history and that is white people. NO fucking black shit in this. Elctronic guitar is white invention. Blue and rythm my ass.
>>129675601"Rumble" by Link Wray & His Ray Men (1958) is a pioneering instrumental rock track, primarily classified as instrumental rock, rock and roll, surf rock, and garage rock. Known for its raw distortion and tremolo, it is often cited as a cornerstone of punk and heavy rock for inventing the power chord. FUCK YOU NIGGA DICK SUCKING.
>>129675601METALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ASSSSSSSSSSSS FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KILL YOURSELF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXLo1YAUQBE
>>129675000>it's basically justNo, it's not. That's not how that works.>It was created by black DJs in Chicago and DetroitYou might want to check the history of electronic music out before spouting nonsense, anon.
