Keys are a better instrument than guitar. This is a fact not an opinion.
>>129761250Guitars are portable. You can play for frens on the dime.
>>129761263So is the accordion.
>>129761294accordion is better than guitars then
>>129761298Absolutely and since the accordion has keys it follows that keys are better than guitar.
>>129761294>>129761298>>129761316Accordion is not polyphonic like guitar and piano. Guitar and piano are so widely used for this reason. But the guitar is both polyphonic and portable, as i said...
>>129761352wait, i stand corrected. accordions are polyphonic as far as simultaneous notes go. i mean it's not multi-voiced. they always just sound like accordions.
>>129761352>Accordion is not polyphonic>name literally means chord???
>ask a keys player to play you a B major chord>keys player thinks 'ok I'll play a B and then a major third on top of that and then a perfect fifth' and he knows what each note is >ask average guitar player to play you a B major chord>guitar player thinks in terms of shapes, probably does not know what note name each note in the chord is much less which one is the octave, third, fifth, etc. Thus is unable to construct a B major or its inversions elsewhere on the fretboard unless he has memorized the shape, similarly cannot adjust the chord to a B sus/add/m7flat5/etc chord unless he has memorized those exact shapes.Guitar is a fun instrument and it is popular because it has an easy learning curve and you can get up and running making noises on it with a 'color by numbers' approach while not understanding how it works. I would rather have an average keys player in my band than an average guitar player. Though highly proficient players of either instrument are both inspirational.
>>129761250you're pushing my buttons
>>129761263glarry foldable keyboard
>>129761385I corrected myself. what do you want from me?!
>>129761352NTA I see...the hardware synth next to me has 128voices, the laptop that I'm shitposting from...Really depends on source, and so on...but it's a couple for sure.
>>129761250It's all a competition with you faggots
>>129761250Guitar makes the best sound. Simple as.
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dumb frogposter
>>129761250I like both. Piano + Guitar at the same time = Great Harmony
>>129763989The world news a zoomer deep purple.
>>129763993needs*must've spaced outfor real though, with the amount of guitarists and synth/piano players out there, you'd think we'd all get back together like they used. everyone is too much in their own spaces now..outside symphonic metal or something.
>>129761250Well, no shit. Solo piano music shits on most other music.
>>129761250Yes.
>>129761250Look at that cute froggo playing the piano
>>129761250>no bends>no vibrato>no ordinary harmonics>no pinch harmonics>no tapping>no hammer-ons>no pull-offs>no palm muting>no pick scrape>fixed hammer position>fixed hammer angle>only one set of hammers>only one set of strings usable for each note>no tone knob>no volume knob>no signal processing pedalsPiano is designed to eliminate expression. The piano action physically disconnects the hammers from the keys every time you press a key. MIDI perfectly captures a piano performance. The piano player is basically a meat robot. Electronic keyboards are slightly better, and the very best (e.g. Yamaha CS-80) count as real musical instruments, but none come close to the expressiveness of the guitar.
>>129764830>but none come close to the expressiveness of the guitar.Any modern synth has more expressiveness than a the guitah
>>129764830Kek. This is such a ridiculously narrow, guitarfag-brained take it's almost impressive. Not a single thing in that list has anything to do with whether music is actually expressive or good. It's just a bunch of hyper-specific electric guitar techniques being arbitrarily elevated into some universal standard. You've basically defined "expression" as "how many instrument-specific gimmicks my instrument can do".Also, some of it is just flat-out wrong>>only one set of strings usable for each notePianos have multiple strings per note, plus sympathetic resonance and pedal interaction. And "MIDI perfectly captures piano" is laughable. It completely misses pedaling nuance, voicing, timing micro-variation and the entire acoustic response of the instrument. The piano is the most polyphonic instrument, the foundation of Western harmony, and the core of both the classical and jazz repertoire. It's not "limited", it just doesn't rely on cheap surface-level techfag tricks to sound expressive.I'd recommend killing yourself out of embarrassment for being such a retarded, narrow-minded, unmusical techfag autist.
>>129764830The best bait is always at least 50% truth
>>129764927Correct. Although that bait is about 5% truth.
>>129764920>the core of both the classical and jazz repertoireThis is an important one because it's by far the best, most diverse and most expressive music humans have ever created. Piano easily wins.
>>129764830Good bait. 7/10.
>>129764927Everything he meme arrowed is factually true and so is his physical connectedness argument.
>>129764910Then why is it limited to less genres? Is it an instrument problem or just everyone gravitating towards it has less imagination?
>>129764920>Pianos have multiple strings per noteThey're all in the same set. Sometimes you get a pedal that lets you shift the hammer to the side so it doesn't play all of them. This is not as expressive as guitar, where you can play the same note at different positions on the fretboard for different timbre, and even use capos to get the open string timbre with different notes.
>>129764920>pedaling nuanceHalf-pedaling is an extended technique that's basically never used in the standard repertoire.>voicing"And now, we're going to play our ballad. Just wait a few hours while I disassemble the piano and take all the hammers out and repeatedly poke them with needles so I can get the softer tone I need." Meanwhile, the guitar chad turns the amp gain down a little.>timing micro-variationCaptured by MIDI. If you have a special piano built from magical rocks by a literal wizard that lacks the usual action slop, you can capture its sub-millisecond timing with any of the newer MIDI-style protocols.>acoustic response of the instrumentMIDI player pianos exist.
>>129764830>no bends>no vibratonice bait, you can get those for kinda cheap nowadays, not as cheap as guitar however but you can still do vibrato and bends with a synth emulator and a cheap glarry 88 keys
>>129764968>Then why is it limited to less genres?its not lol
been going back to keys for the last couple of days, independent left hand is still the biggest hurdle when you try to branch out from playing the usual octave + fifth
>>129765089I think he meant the finger vibrato technique. Not the vibrato bar. The vibrating note sound. Listen to Tom Verlaine's leads.>>129765096I like synths and all, don't get me wrong. But they don't really stand out in many genres. The various forms of EDM, pop, ambient, and hip hop. Fairly recent stuff. Practically nothing traditional. No one thinks of synths in flamenco, classical, blues, bluegrass, jazz, folk, country. Just some world music, if it's like bollywood or Arabs doing that ambient thing they like. It's not the standout instrument in rock and it's many subgenres either, even though it is used. But synth isn't the first thing anyone mentions when you say rock. Probably its heyday there was like 30 years ago with some punk and new wave stuff.
>>129765174Or 40 years ago, rather.
>>129761298accordion is the best instrument of all functionally, but it has the most annoying sound out of the common ones
>>129765042You're too transparently comparing the acoustic version of keys to the electric version of guitar and your bait has gone from good to stinky in one swoop.
>>129765212It sounds beautiful in french hands..annoying everywhere else to me. But I don't want to shit on anyone's culture per se. more power to the polka and tejano bros. do your thing.
>>129761250we need to round up guitar players and put them into death camps. its the only solution imho. they always try to ruin anything that is nice
>>129761250Keys have no swagger or feeling
>>129765230you don't just round us up. we handle this with duels.
>>129765174not falling for it4/10 ur a funny guy
>>129765256Lets just all be bros.https://youtu.be/Rz-tHZEr37I?t=248
>>129765280agreed, sick song btw
>>129765280This always relaxes me what a nice tune.
>>129761250Growing up i never saw a dude playing keys on stage and thought I should do that. Let's cut it straight to the chase: it's a fudgepacker instrument. It's for dudes who saw elton john and freddie mercury in the tv and finally saw themselves.And don't even get me started on the actual musical qualities. Keys are for boring eurovision balladslop. If you try to play different styles you just sound like a retardplaying ragtime or whatever.The guitar is the instrument for men of action. Hammering the keys hard doesn't change shit. Strumming hard feels biblical.>>129761263Trvke. You can start with big sing alongs and as the night rolls around you play more lonesome shit. With piano you can only play coldplay.
>>129766708>Growing up i never saw a dude playing keys on stage and thought I should do that.Because you were a retarded kid that thought music was for getting pussy or something retarded like that.As a kid I thought the same, I was retarded like you currently are. If you are an adult honestly that shits embarrassing "dude I wanna be a Rockstar because its so cool man I wanna be cool and get groupies man"Just make good melody and stfu. Piano fags are based because they are capable of this. They just make good music "ooh that sounds beautiful" done, thats the goal music.
>>129766860>golem thinks music is just pressing a button
>>129767440yes, several buttons in harmonic combination in different interludes. It's harder than guitar btw, its been the basis of music for like more than 500 years or so. Meanwhile guitar wasnt even that relevant until like 90 years ago or so. Outside of Spanish guitar masters which was only for enthusiasts nobody gave a damn except Country musicians.Piano is the Queen Empress of Music deal with it, Guitar aint too shabby but the Guitar is it's underling. Like a Royal Guard or something. Still prestiguous but does not command melody to the extent Piano does.
