Going to any concert besides a classical concert, and any singing besides opera, is not actually listening to music. You are listening to a machine relay to you the music of the singer, or "musician", you are not listening to the sound waves directly emitted from them. You are basically like the guys who listen to rap and think "the sample" is great musicAlso anything outside of classical/opera/ballet is normie. Feed for the cattle
>>129812791Instruments are cheating too desu. Singing is the only real music.
Autistic fixation.Anyways, classical gets miced and amplified more and more too nowadays, especially if it's expensive or high profile. Not just to record for an album but for a better listening experience.
>>129812799Instruments are valid, bucko. Piano experts maintain enormous control over not just which keys played and when but exactly how they're played in terms of abrupt or drawn out, loud or soft, etc>>129812878No, not in concert or an opera. The singers depend on the acoustics of the opera house. With Broadway musicals they have mics tho
>>129812957You realize you have just as much control over a mic'd instrument, right? Is all recorded music not music?
>>129812957>No, not in concert or an opera.Yes, in concert and opera. Increasingly and slowly but surely, as it's expensive and complicated to mic such large amount of instruments.>The singers depend on the acoustics of the opera house.Which can be and are picked up with rooms mics and then amplified and played through speakers for a better listening experience.
>>129813034You have as much control over the instrument but the sound on a piano by itself comss directly from the strings to your ears versus being sent to your ears digitally. This is why the finest and hughest quality of instrumental performances, like world-class pianists, don't use mics or means of electronic transmission
>>129813063>You have as much control over the instrument but the sound on a piano by itself comss directly from the strings to your ears versus being sent to your ears digitallyYeah, who cares?
>>129813058You have never been to an opera or even a classical concert Speakers are not for "a better listening experience", they are used to deal with shitty acoustics, shitty instruments (many classical musicians will use instruments hundreds of years old for optimal sound), and the shitty stamina of the performers. This would be obvious to you if you imagined your favorite singer doing a song for you in your parlor. She wouldn't be using a mic because it wouldn't take such a toll on her stamina to be loud enough for you to hear lucidly
>>129813063>This is why the finest and hughest quality of instrumental performances, like world-class pianists, don't use mics or means of electronic transmissionThis isn't even true, it's because classical music culture worships tradition and it's existed for centuries before amplification was invented.
>>129812791Its actually the opposite: everything is music, every sound you hear is music or can be music in the right context
>>129813082https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWc7vYjgnT
>>129813079If you don't attend a concert in person, you wouldn't. But if you go in person then clearly as a musical experience you are getting dogfood for what you're paying. If you can't distinguish dogfood from foie gras, of course, it wouldn't make a difference
>>129813100i fucked uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWc7vYjgnTs
>>129812791ok nerd
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>>129813088Rather they worship quality. If they just worshipped tradition they wouldn't stage Wagner was hobos during the depression and such.
>>129813122(((They))) hate Wagner.
>>129813107How is it higher quality to have no amplification?
>>129813110Pavarotti did popular musical shows, yes, he was one of the very very few classical performers who broke through to the billboard top songs. He didn't use a mic when he was in actual.opreas though. His use of a mic here is entirely a product of him being wildly popular with pop music listeners and became a cultural icon, not a trend at all in classical concerts attended by people who just go because they like classical
>>129813148what are your favorite halls around the world that you've visited?curious about what your favorite acoustics are
>>129812791Singing is only good with microphones. Opera sucks because they're singing so loud they need that obnoxious warbling vibrato to avoid injury (spread spectrum to reduce energy at any one frequency).
>>129813134Not it is just Wagner has been performed every year all over and even has his own opera house. Remember the people who frequent opera are mostly the aame crowd--if the audience was completely different every time, his performance would remain the same. But for people who see it over and over and over on a regular basis, some variation is enjoyed.>>129813140That is like asking how is mysic without autotune higher quality
>>129813164I haven't visited halls from around the world, only those in California and one in Texas.
>>129813170>That is like asking how is mysic without autotune higher qualityIt's not. Amplification increases expressive possibilities because you don't have to limit your technique for the sake of loudness. Autotune reduces expressive possibilities by rounding everything to fixed frequencies.
>>129813170>That is like asking how is mysic without autotune higher qualityNo it fucking isn't. It's literally just taking the sound and making it strategically louder. Totally different. And what about music that NEEDS amplification or it doesn't work like metal?
>>129813167Literally all singing warbles even instruments warble their frequency. No warbling would sound like autotune. Warbling becomes obnoxious when it is significant enough to be off-key
>>129812957>exactly how they're played in terms of abrupt or drawn out, loud or soft, etcThose are literally the only two things you can control. The piano action disconnects the hammer from the key every times you press it. All you can control is how hard you press it and how long you press it for. There's no way to control timbre independent of volume like you can on guitar.
>>129813148>implying Pavarotti wasn't a fantastic singer
>>129813206You can't deny that opera has more vibrato than popular genres. Even though I like classical more in general and acknowledge their superior skill, I prefer the timbre of metal singing for this reason.
>>129813206Good singing uses vibrato artistically, applying tasteful amounts at selected moments to emphasize specific lyrics. Opera singing uses ridiculous bleating vibrato continually and for no artistic reason. It's literally just working around their lack of amplification.
>>129813187 Yes if you can't hold a note for prolonged period at a high volume, then you need a microphone to express yourself more fully, I agree.>>129813203The term for deliberately changing volume in music is called dynamics, and classical employs it far, far, far more extensively than any other form of music. Even for music written before dynamics were notated, performers themselves insert it. Of course if you are not talented enough to finely control the volume of your instrument or voice, then yes you need it digitalized and done through AI or whatevwr
>>129813247Yeah I know classical has a wider dynamic range than other genres, so what? When I think about the reasons I like classical that's probably at about 5000 on the list>Of course if you are not talented enough to finely control the volume of your instrument or voice, then yes you need it digitalized and done through AI or whatevwrAre you retarded? You can have a comparable dynamic range with amplification, just all of it louder.
>>129812791The concert hall is cheating too. Play in da woods like Varg, the snow nigguhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDCJLbz61fU
>>129813209The hammer can be connected by a hair from the key, or by a lot. It can fall quickly from a height, or gently and faintly brush the stringGuitars are instrument and classical makes enormous use of strings. I think the best piece ever written for guitar was Schubert's guitar quartet, although Concierto de Aranjuez is the most famous in classicalThat said there are many things the piano can do that nothing else could because of how many notes can be played both concurrently and in range>>129813210He was. But he also performed in places with mediocre acoustics and crowds far more massive than would fit in an opera hall or ochestra house, as at the World Cup>>129813218Right, metal singing isn't about being loud
>>129813270Many conductors experience hearing issues because of how loudly they conduct their pieces. I don't think you need it louder. Having heard crescendos at classical concerts, I can tell you they are very loud.
>>129813317>The hammer can be connected by a hair from the key, or by a lot. It can fall quickly from a height, or gently and faintly brush the stringThere is no connection. The action sets the hammer moving and it flies away on its own until it hits the string. The only thing the player can control is how fast the action sets it moving. It is impossible to play soft but bright or loud but warm on a piano.
>>129813317>Right, metal singing isn't about being loudIt's about control of vocal distortion (also used to a lesser extent by pop singers), which is another thing impossible for opera singers because they'd injure themselves if they tried it without amplification. Amplification allows for more expressive singing.
>>129813329You realize Mahler's 2nd Symphony and some soft solo piano piece are not the same thing lol right? You also know amplification can be turned off at louder parts, right?
not into this gay debate but thank fuck for recorded concerts on CD. all of the intended dynamics without the ear raping sonic mush you get when you're there in person (i can decide the maximum volume with a knob).plus i don't have to share my listening experience with a room full of the most pretentious people you're ever gonna meet, fuck yeah
>>129812791>classical>opera
>>129813381Classical is more engaging music than literally anything else.
>>129813389its low energy
>>129813403No the fuck it isn't lmao
>>129813334Do you know what the pedals are for?>>129813358 Metal singers generally sing even louder than opera singers, even scream. Arguably their style that you extol arose because they can't be that loud otherwise since they lack the training and practice. And opera singers have much more stamina>>129813364I know this is cope for the fact that paying to go to a concert is paying to listen to the same thing you do on a recording
>>129813358Depends on the genre. Power metal singing (my favorite) is totally clean.
>>129813467>Do you know what the pedals are for?The only pedal that sees regular usage is the sustain pedal, and it's used fully on or fully off. It's a performance aid to simulate extra fingers.>Metal singers generally sing even louder than opera singersThe stupid ones might try, but the smart ones rely on the microphone. Nobody can do death metal growls at opera volume without injury.
>>129813525>death metal growls at opera volumeIs that even physiologically possible lol
>>129813376Classical people are in fact generally out of touch with how inpossible it is to get the masses to love their music. They always hope and believe they can make kids in the ghetto become great cellists or something
>>129813525>boomers using a microphone to simulate roaring because they're too old to anymore and they want to feel masculineoh no no NO
>>129813558Nobody in metal cares about "being masculine" lmao it's just fun music
>>129813414it is
>>129813414I'm a classical music enjoyer, but most of it is low energy because it doesn't have a beat. Orchestras have a percussion section which includes a huge bass drum but for some strange reason barely use it. The most popular orchestral percussion instrument is the one least suited to establishing a beat: the triangle, which is like a cowbell but even more annoying.
>>129813626I see you're confusing "having a beat" with "loud, repetitive rhythm".
>>129813525All the pedals get regular use by any professional pianist due to the diversity of his repertoire, a lot of his being the pianists distinct voice and interpretation of music written either without pedals or without notation for them. Likewise classical pianists playing clavichord music provide their own dynamicsThe whole point of death metal growls is that they can't sing well at the volume their at otherwise. They can growl passably at a higher volume than they can sing.
>>129813376>room full of the most pretentious people you're ever gonna meetHave you ever been to a classical concert? Most of the audience is middle class old people and students. Hardly pretentious. Try seeing a band that /mu/ or RYM masturbates over. That would fit your description more accurately.
>>129813376>>129813673Let me correct myself: I'm talking about standard repertoire concerts. If you go to early music or, even worse, contemporary classical concerts... then yeah, absolutely, a room full of the most pretentious people you're ever gonna meet.
>>129813626It has a beat, it just doesn't have prominent drums like rock does. So what? Both are good.
>>129812791I genuinely can't imagine not listening to classical music, just like I can't imagine not reading serious literature, not playing an instrument, or not spending time in nature. That's the bare minimum for having a functioning inner life. If you don't do any of that, it stops being a question of taste and starts looking like developmental stunting, like you're operating on a lower level and never reached the endgame: a low-resolution human running on pure stimulus-response, with no depth, no hierarchy of taste, no sense for anything beyond immediate gratification. People can call that elitism if they want, but at some point you're just describing the difference between being awake and being half-conscious.
>>129813689Kek what classical composers have you even listened to? They do things blend blue grass and western with classical
>>129813738Playing instruments is hella unc core. Best buy doesn't even carry electric instruments anymore
>>129813808Musicians are a lot less necessary with the advent of the dj. DJ Khalid is basically the Bach of today in that sense
100% Chance this is low effort "My stupid opinion is objective fact" bait. So yeah shan't be reading that
I live in Detroit and go to DSO shows pretty often. Its okay. Its very cheap, 25 bucks a seat usually. Not a fan of most classical if I'm being honest, baroque is much better with the ornamentation. Also, very tired of violinslop where its 40 violins playing and only a few actually interesting instruments getting their parts. I play sax and flute myself. I have not once in my life listened to any Jazz, find it kind of insulting. My entire saxophone world is in Japanese contemporary classical and French/Italian sax aesthetics. Few good US players like Otis Murphy that everyone already knows about, but its rare. >>129813414It is very low energy by design. Consider most of it was written for a different kind of crowd than today, they did not want the intensity and when the possibility of it building exists, its cut off. You'll have to look for instrumental solos or baroque or an orchestral tango for it.
>>129813063I only listen to the hughest quality music myself
>>129816098In this case, it isn't far from the truth. Sorry!
