>there are people who think jazz is as good as classical
Metal is the actual modern comparison for classical music.
>>129833778TRVKE
>>129833778Aspirationally, I agree. But it's nowhere near the maturity and quality of what classical has achieved. We can see but glimpses of it in Necrophagist solos.
I dont listen to music thinking"hmm this is alright but its not as good as x"I just listen and enjoy
it isn't as good. It's better.romantic period > jazz > classicalthis is the correct hierarchy
>>129834166Alright then, give me one (one) piece of jazz as good as Mozart's requiem.
>>129833778metal musicians don't use perfect cadences, compose for many instruments and are away of voicing, drums are a crutch, don't think in terms of movements, use too much modal mixture, and has a back beat from rock musicmetal is rock, which is blues, which is slave chants
>>129834207Rite of Spring uses backbeats
>>129834200why do they always pick the most boring pieces. For this answer, just go you YouTube and type "jazz playlist" and find one that's 3+ hours long and then just click a random part of the video and there you go, shit dick
>>129834223Its also not classical
>>129834224>the most boring pieces>Mozart's RequiemMake your bait less blatant next time.
>>129834232That's certainly... an opinionUnless you're talking about the classical period, in which case you're an autistic pedant unable to understand context.
>>129834233zzzzzz my opinion is everybody else's zzzzzzzz
>>129834233Whats next, are you going to recommend Beethovens 9th symphony? Why do you guys only name the same 10 pieces of classical that weve all heard a million times
>>129834223you don't even know basic musical terms never comment again you are to listen to EDM and nothing else
>>129834223No it doesn't. What the f*ck do you think a backbeat is.This is a backbeathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIz1cPfTRW4
>>129834256because they don't want to accept that just like other music, there's the canon of hits and the rest is boring filler
>>129834260>you are to listen toESL?
>>129834282oh boy... you are to listen toas in, it is in your agenda to when you're so bad at English that you don't recognize proper grammar
>>129834266>What the f*ck do you think a backbeatPercussion being stressed on the 2 and 4. It's just for short segments, but there is a backbeat in the Ritual of Abduction segment. Tchaikovsky uses it too, in the Slavonic March, in Dance of the Tumblers from the Snow Maiden, and in the Manfred Symphony.
>>129834317pride is your sin
>>129834260I'm a drummer. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.>A back beat, or backbeat, is a syncopated accentuation on the "off" beat. In a simple 4/4 rhythm these are beats 2 and 4https://youtu.be/Chcv573AAZ4Listen. It's remarkably similar to a modern day rock beat.
>>129834256Because I'm also more into Romantic music, so I only know the hits from the classical period. You'll have to excuse me, but there's just so much music to explore that I haven't had time to really dive deep into classical or baroque.
>>129834336That is just 4 bars, not really enough to call it a backbeat. You can find examples of similar stuff going back to like Baroque, Vivaldi does this.
classical doesn't have improvisation so it is inherently inferior you play the notes on the page like a good obedient boy
>>129834385>classical doesn't have improvisationOuting yourself as an uneducated pleb here.
>>129834370So now you're moving the goalposts. Is it a drumbeat that stresses the 2 and 4? Yes or no?>not enough to call it a backbeatWhy?https://youtu.be/TlAYXRzKCNQThis song only uses a backbeat for a few bars in the prechorus. Is it not a backbeat?
>>129834385The whole fun part of learning to play classical is getting to do improvs on it. I do see how recording culture lacks that part though
>>129834416I just don't think 2 singular instances is really enough to highlight it for its backbeat use. You can find tons of earlier examples of the off beats being highlighted.
>>129834416>Is it a drumbeat that stresses the 2 and 4Again thats not what backbeat means. It doesn't have to be a drum beat and it doesn't have to be on the 2 and 4. What happens when the off beats are stressed in 3/4 time for instance.
>>129834450In as percussive a manner?
>>129833764Jazz is a dead genre, so no one thinks of it in a general sense.
>>129834460Most "backbeats" in odd time signatures are just a 4/4 pattern with a beat cut off or added.>What happens when the off beats are stressed in 3/4 time for instance.Like in One by Metallica? Is that a backbeat? I guess so, yeah.
>>129834460>A back beat, or backbeat, is a syncopated accentuation on the "off" beat. In a simple 4/4 rhythm these are beats 2 and 4That's the Wikipedia definition.
>>129834522Yes and it fits "It doesn't have to be a drum beat and it doesn't have to be on the 2 and 4."
>>129834535In 4/4 it does. And I would say it does have to be a drum beat or at least a percussive beat, I'd disagree with the Wikipedia definition on that.
>>129833764Yeah, that's really funny. But jazz is pretty good nonetheless.>>129833778There are SOME classical pieces that you could say are "spiritually metal", but metal has very little to do with classical. Not in essence, not in the way it's composed, not in the way it's listened to, etc. Metal doesn't use classical forms, isn't written down in sheet music, doesn't use motivic development, the list goes on and on.
>>129833778Metal is more related to medieval folk than to classical music.
>>129835478>Not in essenceWhat do you mean by this exactly?>doesn't use classical formsSome metal does.>doesn't use motivic developmentSome metal does. Not as masterfully as classical, but it took hundreds of years for classical to fully blossom. Metal is what, 50 years old?
>>129833764>a trilby is classier than a fedora
>>129836138In what way lol
